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Went to the range today and this guy in the booth next to me had a 5" AR pistol chambered in 5.56 with a binary trigger, ACOG optic and linear compensator. Talk about a shit load of money for what was effectively a beyond loud ass flame thrower 
Shit was so loud, I regretted forgetting to bring additional ear pro so that I could've doubled up. Ppl's ears were still ringing damn near 30 minutes after he left. Between that gun and his other AR pistol that had a similar setup but only with a 7" barrel instead, he was easily walking around with $4K invested. And to think he intended for them to be used for home defense. He wouldn't even have to actually hit anyone with a bullet. The sound alone would be enough to take a mofo out
Shit was so loud, I regretted forgetting to bring additional ear pro so that I could've doubled up. Ppl's ears were still ringing damn near 30 minutes after he left. Between that gun and his other AR pistol that had a similar setup but only with a 7" barrel instead, he was easily walking around with $4K invested. And to think he intended for them to be used for home defense. He wouldn't even have to actually hit anyone with a bullet. The sound alone would be enough to take a mofo out
Great video but no thanks on .22 anything for me. Also don't shoot 5.56 in a .223 only barrel. Like they said go to the highest caliber and pressure for the barrel to shoot lower pressure and BC rounds in a rifle. 5.56 barrel can shoot .223, not other way around. That barrel may explode basically dropping a M67 fragmentation grenade right in your face!
That's why you get a 223 Wylde barrel if anything. It'll be more precise than a 5.56 barrel and can shoot 5.56 rounds without issueGreat video but no thanks on .22 anything for me. Also don't shoot 5.56 in a .223 only barrel. Like they said go to the highest caliber and pressure for the barrel to shoot lower pressure and BC rounds in a rifle. 5.56 barrel can shoot .223, not other way around. That barrel may explode basically dropping a M67 fragmentation grenade right in your face!
Went to the range today and this guy in the booth next to me had a 5" AR pistol chambered in 5.56 with a binary trigger, ACOG optic and linear compensator. Talk about a shit load of money for what was effectively a beyond loud ass flame thrower
I've said many times that my 4"&5" SBR's will rattle mofos teeth out of their skull.
If I feel like being a prick, I bring out the SBR's and SBS's to the indoor range. They tend to clear the adjacent lanes of the riffraff.
But what's the point of having a barrel that short for any rifle round? It's just a loud waste of the ammo's potential. Even 300Blackout is wasted on barrels that short
Yeah I got one of those. Use it for vermin.
I have consistently taken my SBR's out past 50 yards (with decent groupings), they fit in a backpack , and offer superior firepower (and stopping power) to most threats that I would encounter in a self defense distance while out and about. And more importantly, shorties are fucking cool. That's the beauty of having options that suits ones intended purpose. If I want precision, I have a plethora of tools for that as well.
I'll have to disagree with you on this. 5.56 will get to its intended target faster but it's a smaller bullet than most of your pistol calibers that would be used for home defense and as such wouldn't transfer as much energy. They do look cool but for me I also want my firearm to perform to its full capability. If I'm concerned about the need to fit in a backpack or to be able to maneuver within tight environments for self defense then a PCC or 300 Blackout will suffice.
There's no permit that covers every state. Some states offer conceal carry permits that have reciprocity in other states but there's no carry permit that is recognized in all 50 states. Your best bet is it to research your local state to see what other states recognize it and go from there.
I think he meant the requirements PER state as a consolidated source.
Concealed Carry Map: Get The Knowledge You Need To Confidently Carry (usconcealedcarry.com)
Sig needs to come on, and produce more MCXs.
You get reciprocal carry in most states unless you are retired LEO. NY is on some different shit, Hawaii too. Beside that you have a lot of leeway in carrying from another state. If you want to get around the permit shit you can always use the castle laws of the states that have them and carry inside cars which recognize the car as an extension of your house.
Yep but let me clarify something that a lot of people don't realize too: that is a 5.56, .300 blackout will still over penetrate in a home setting. Shotgun kicks like a mule, which is why I rely on the 9mm, .45 too but I keep will keep 5.56/.300 blackout at the ready. To help to simplify why .300 is good for home defense is that the .300 punches like an AK47 and a 7.62 round but it's in the AR15 (5.56) platform which is very comfortable to shoot. Especially Subsonic, if it's supersonic that shit it going very far lol So, if you have a 5.56 lower you just need a barrel change to shoot a .300 blackout. That's a 30-06 bullet coming out of what is normally a big barrel rifle but you dumping it with a AR15.
The AR15 5.56 can punch out to 1000 meters. Yes, it can. I've done it, Realistically, not more than 6-8 hundred meters. So, I've become a fan of the .300 just like the 6.5 Creedmoor. Evolving
(65) 300 AAC Blackout for Home Defense? Maybe! - YouTube
(65) Home Defense Rifle: 5.56mm Vs. 300blk | Tactical Rifleman - YouTube
6.5 Creedmoor at 3000+ YARDS. So run MF. And die tired.
(65) 6.5 Creedmoor at 3000yards - YouTube
Man I went to the range last week and I don't know what kind of elephant gun buddy four lanes down had, but that shit had me frustrated
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A waste of good decks with nice designs... Hope they donated those decks to a skate shop afterwards
That 6.5 Creedmoor at 3000 video is wild... 9 secs after trigger pull to cover that distance
Stopping power isn't just about size of the pill, the lethality of a projectile is also a factor.
What's the velocity of a 5.56? 2,700 fps?
A hollow? Or a Blue tip?
Plenty damages..
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There is a way to get around 30 states by obtaining 2 permits I believe. I'd have to search and find the information. Of course states like NY and NJ were not included.
Question: why carry something larger than a pistol but limited to a pistol calibers?
That has never made sense to me.
I agree. In combat (CQB) we normally carried 9mm, 5.56 M4 (AR15) and shotgun (if needed for breaching, 1 per fire team unless heavy with 7.62 machine gun) this was for transitioning under fire and contact. I still say the 9mm to .45 and 5.56 M4 or AR15 will get you through most scenarios. 5.56 even the nato round will punch through bulletproof vest unless you have at least Level 3 body armor but how many dudes will have that on? A rifle round spins, comes out faster and has a pointed tip unlike pistol rounds. It’ll also chew up and through cars. Lastly, a city or town isn’t a true combat zone so you’ll have to know that if you are inside a building firing those rounds will go through Sheetrock etc. if your’re outside you can skip debris into a mf until you leap or bound to get em. Two calibers is the rule for carry. Carry a 9 and or a higher caliber if not a rifle. I’m not a big fan of 9mm/.40 AR types yet because of this.
They almost had to be at an elevated position if you listen for the report when it hit the target. That’s crazy though. That’s a long mf way too! The energy coming out of that barrel is astonishing. Idgaf who you are, that’s pure skill to get on in less than 20 rounds!
You have better control and superior aim when using a carbine. More points of contact with you against the firearm. For home defense, it's perfect and even a novice can pick up and be effective as opposed to a a handgun where more technique is required
Yes but you lose velocity when you shrink the barrel down. 5.56 was made to be shot from barrel lengths of 16" or longer. You start sacrificing its performance when you truncate the barrel length. The only AR round meant for shorter barrels is 300 Blackout and that round was made for 10" barrel lengths.
How much velocity is lost? The velocity lost is a non-factor when in close quarters.
Who is really reaching out 100 meters with an AR pistol? Although possible, the benefits of an AR pistol are portability, and the stopping power of a rifle caliber.
Idgaf about over penetrating walls & sheetrock when neutralizing a threat. In fact, I want the ability to shoot through shit, it gives me an advantage.
PCC are novelties, I rather just have a FNX45, or FiveseveN.. than a supersoaker looking .40 cal.
Its like having a Ram 3500 with a 4 cylinder engine and the reason is because you wanna save on gas & don't wanna over do it on power. Shit makes no sense