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[dHustla]

Picture this, you can have an AR pistol in a backpack or as a truck/trunk gun and keep it within reach at all times all over the city or wherever you are.

The ballistics of rifle calibers far surpass that of pistol calibers, in velocity, penetration, and accuracy.

No pistol caliber is designed to be effective past 50 yards, and anything past that distance isn't a threat unless its shooting at you. So let's use 50 yards as a distance.. a 9mm or .40 will lose energy faster and have more bullet drop than any rifle caliber at that distance. Couple that with using defensive rounds... no brainer.

 

[cli-terminator]

How much velocity is lost? The velocity lost is a non-factor when in close quarters.

Who is really reaching out 100 meters with an AR pistol? Although possible, the benefits of an AR pistol are portability, and the stopping power of a rifle caliber.

Idgaf about over penetrating walls & sheetrock when neutralizing a threat. In fact, I want the ability to shoot through shit, it gives me an advantage.

PCC are novelties, I rather just have a FNX45, or FiveseveN.. than a supersoaker looking .40 cal.

Its like having a Ram 3500 with a 4 cylinder engine and the reason is because you wanna save on gas & don't wanna over do it on power. Shit makes no sense

In close quarters you're right, the lost velocity isn't as significant on the target but it still affects the power of the round regardless. Velocity + bullet size = the kinetic energy felt by the intended target. 45ACP may be a slower round but it makes up for it with the bullet size which is perfect for close quarter confrontations. It doesn't have the penetration power of a 9mm or 10mm due to the lack of velocity increasing its overall energy.

Rifle rounds are at their best at further distances. AR pistol portability is a plus but aren't much more effective in close quarters (10-25 yards) than a 9mm or 10mm round from a PCC. If you're looking at shooting past 50-100 yards then it's definitely much better to shoot with a rifle round as that's what they're better at. You can hit a target with a pistol round from 100 yards but that's not the purpose for them and vice versa with rifle rounds. If you're looking at home defense scenarios, then realistically you're not shooting anything beyond 25 yards and that's where the pistol round is more effective.

It all comes down to what you're using the gun for. A pistol, shotgun or PCC is perfect for home defense scenarios because of the close quarters they'd be used at. A 300 Blackout is perfect for home defense as well because it's meant for shorter barrels and packs a bigger punch behind it as opposed to other rifle rounds and can also be suppressed as well. Any other rifle round would be more effective beyond typical home defense parameters but not so much in close quarters. It's just not what they were designed for.

 

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Picture this, you can have an AR pistol in a backpack or as a truck/trunk gun and keep it within reach at all times all over the city or wherever you are.

The ballistics of rifle calibers far surpass that of pistol calibers, in velocity, penetration, and accuracy.

No pistol caliber is designed to be effective past 50 yards, and anything past that distance isn't a threat unless its shooting at you. So let's use 50 yards as a distance.. a 9mm or .40 will lose energy faster and have more bullet drop than any rifle caliber at that distance. Couple that with using defensive rounds... no brainer.

You're making my point. Home defense and self-defense scenarios rarely ever go beyond 25 yards much less 50 yards so all of the ballistics of a rifle round are mute at that point. I'm not disputing what a rifle caliber is capable of. The data there speaks for itself. However, for a home defense or self-defense scenario, a rifle round isn't more effective than a pistol round for those same reasons. There's a reason why rifle rounds are designed the way they are and require specific barrel lengths to perform at their peak levels. That's the reason why if I need to carry an AR pistol, the only caliber it'd be in is 300 Blackout. It's designed specifically to work in shorter barrels, is portable and can be suppressed. Any other rifle round in an AR pistol format is wasting potential.

 

[dHustla]

Not a Yeager fan,, but...


Top comment:
"Why's you want a rifle sized gun that haf none of the advantages that a rifle gives you?"

 

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Don't even get me started on the ear punishment of shooting an SBR inside of a home vs a PCC. Even with a linear comp, an SBR is brutal in enclosed environments.

 

[dHustla]

AR pistol portability is a plus but aren't much more effective in close quarters (10-25 yards) than a 9mm or 10mm round from a PCC.

Unless you have to shoot through a car door or similar

If you're looking at home defense scenarios, then realistically you're not shooting anything beyond 25 yards and that's where the pistol round is more effective.

More effective in what way compared to a rifle caliber pistol?

 

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[Mask]

Just think if this thang had that switch on it

 

[cli-terminator]

Unless you have to shoot through a car door or similar

More effective in what way compared to a rifle caliber pistol?

Yeah shooting through a car door, the only pistol round I would trust is 10mm.

As for more effective, this is just my opinion of course, I think the PCC would be more effective overall because the round would still hit hard enough to stop a threat and coming from a pcc, the accuracy would be much more increased over from a handgun. Also you are much less likely to be disoriented from the muzzle flash and sound coming from a pcc than from an SBR regardless of the muzzle device used. Even with your adrenaline spiking, you'd suffer some hearing damage and that along with the flash can possibly disorient you enough to take you off target.

 

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[LongLocs85]

Tooled up huh? I see ya

 

[bbuzzard]

Why?

cause he get's paid!

 

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[Shaka54]

Thanks for dropping this Brotha...I'm subbing.

 

[The Plutonian]

Not a Yeager fan,, but...


Top comment:
"Why's you want a rifle sized gun that haf none of the advantages that a rifle gives you?"

I talked about this because people think an AR15 won’t penetrate body armor. Won’t penetrate a vehicle. Won’t penetrate steel lol but it will. It will. It’ll tear through it like tissue paper lol. The AR15 is very versatile for all the reasons he just stated plus once I pull the stock back it becomes a sniper rifle if you have the optics/scope on it. It’s lethal.carries a lot of rounds. Again, I still believe in carrying a pistol too and do a weapons transition when needed. But not those AR pistols when I can carry a rifle. Why I went ahead and picked up the .300 blackout. AR15/M4 (.300, 5.56) with 9mm pistol or .40, .45. You good! Unless you want a flamethrower or .40mm grenade launcher on the AR15

 

[LongLocs85]

Thanks for dropping this Brotha...I'm subbing.

Yessir! My YouTube recommendations occasionally throw me some Black gun enthusiasts and not the ones you can tell only hang with white people

 

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[The Plutonian]

Folks were in there like what the fuck are you shooting?

 

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Folks were in there like what the fuck are you shooting?

You should see the jokers @ my range come feening when I go binary with my Scorpion...they be jelly

 

[dHustla]

I talked about this because people think an AR15 won’t penetrate body armor. Won’t penetrate a vehicle. Won’t penetrate steel lol but it will. It will. It’ll tear through it like tissue paper lol. The AR15 is very versatile for all the reasons he just stated plus once I pull the stock back it becomes a sniper rifle if you have the optics/scope on it. It’s lethal.carries a lot of rounds. Again, I still believe in carrying a pistol too and do a weapons transition when needed. But not those AR pistols when I can carry a rifle. Why I went ahead and picked up the .300 blackout. AR15/M4 (.300, 5.56) with 9mm pistol or .40, .45. You good! Unless you want a flamethrower or .40mm grenade launcher on the AR15

I agree, but for a smaller footprint I'm not sacrificing rifle caliber for a pistol caliber carbine. Thats what we were discussing.

Rifle > Rifle caliber pistol > handgun


@DiGeneral What say you?

 

[cli-terminator]

I agree, but for a smaller footprint I'm not sacrificing rifle caliber for a pistol caliber carbine. Thats what we were discussing.

Rifle > Rifle caliber pistol > handgun


@DiGeneral What say you?

We may disagree on AR pistol (non 300 Blackout) vs pistol caliber carbine for home defense but I know we both agree that whoever is dumb enough to break into one of our homes will regret it immediately

 

[PsiBorg]

I agree, but for a smaller footprint I'm not sacrificing rifle caliber for a pistol caliber carbine. Thats what we were discussing.

Rifle > Rifle caliber pistol > handgun


@DiGeneral What say you?

I'm going to agree with you. But it depends on the circumstances for me. For instance: A .308 caliber rifle with a 20 in barrel will be super awkward to wield in a close quarter situation. I'd rather have a short barrel (10 inch) rifle for close quarters.

I'd rather have the .308 long barrel if I'm in an open space. This will allow me to engage at a long distance, and the stopping power will be massive.

I'd rather have the .308 short barrel if in close quarters... like inside of a house or a room in a building. You can take advantage of this weapon's manuverabilty.

 

[dHustla]

Galil?

 

[dHustla]

I'm going to agree with you. But it depends on the circumstances for me. For instance: A .308 caliber rifle with a 20 in barrel will be super awkward to wield in a close quarter situation. I'd rather have a short barrel (10 inch) rifle for close quarters.

I'd rather have the .308 long barrel if I'm in an open space. This will allow me to engage at a long distance, and the stopping power will be massive.

I'd rather have the .308 short barrel if in close quarters... like inside of a house or a room in a building. You can take advantage of this weapon's manuverabilty.

Here "rifle caliber pistol" basically means a rifle with a shorter barrels i.e. 14", 12", 11.5", 10", etc.
Versus one of those bullpup pistols that shoot pistol calibers.

 

[cli-terminator]

Here "rifle caliber pistol" basically means a rifle with a shorter barrels i.e. 14", 12", 11.5", 10", etc.
Versus one of those bullpup pistols that shoot pistol calibers.

Not a fan of bullpups. I thought they were cool til I spoke to multiple ppl in my NAAGA chapter and they pointed out how fail prone they are compared to standard rifle and shotgun platforms. In just about every training class they saw a bullpup in, over 90% of the time, they encountered a fail of some kind.

As for pistol calibers, the only PCCs I fuck with are the FX-9 which I currently have, CZ Scorpion and CMMG Banshee. I'm trying to be patient with Aero Precision to release their EPC in 10mm but it's looking like I'm gonna have to splurge the money on a CMMG Banshee in 10mm

 

[The Plutonian]

You should see the jokers @ my range come feening when I go binary with my Scorpion...they be jelly

Got a Bushmaster 5.56 with binary trigger and the range dude asked me if I could handle it. I'm like what? Mf I humped a Pig and a 240B for over 5 clicks and didn't miss a beat. This just automatic rifle son, not a machine gun Not everybody is a fanboy, I did it for years serving. FOH

 

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Got a Bushmaster 5.56 with binary trigger and the range dude asked me if I could handle it. I'm like what? Mf I humped a Pig and a 240B for over 5 clicks and didn't miss a beat. This just automatic rifle son, not a machine gun Not everybody is a fanboy, I did it for years serving. FOH

Man, everybody out hear listening to hearsay...shorter barrels are a wiiner for the smaller caliber bullets (<=10mm). The 5.7 binary setup looks nasty

 

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[The Plutonian]

Man all kinds of bullshit popping up! Mfs like hey, hey…you think a 6.9 bullet it will sell? What about .60 cal handguns? You’ll create a new supply and demand if you do it! Ok! Let’s do it!

 

[DiGeneral]

I agree, but for a smaller footprint I'm not sacrificing rifle caliber for a pistol caliber carbine. Thats what we were discussing.

Rifle > Rifle caliber pistol > handgun


@DiGeneral What say you?

I agree with your assertion 100%.
Although I own PCCs, my SHTF bag has a 5.56 SBR.

 

[DiGeneral]

Sentry 12...
I have one in bound, just because...