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What kind of safes/cabinets are you guys using for storage? I bought one cabinet, but it was so damn flimsy that I sent it back. Looking for something that I can keep the kids out of.
Depends on where you're gonna have it located. I have my rifles in a gun safe while pistols are spread out around in smaller safes that are secured with security cables. I'd only get a cabinet to use for ammo storage. They're just not secure enough for any firearm. And if you're gonna put a big safe in a garage or 1st floor location, make sure to have it bolted to the floor so that they can't be stolen easily
 

0utsyder

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Upgrade your Shield to the Shield Plus. You'll increase your carry capacity without sacrificing your accessory options as the Shield Plus retains the same physical dimensions. Plus you'll have a tremendously improved trigger. The only accessories that won't carry over are for magazines as the Shield Plus mags are shaped differently.

You'll have to forgive my ignorance, but when you say upgrade is that buying the Plus or can you buy the parts and upgrade it oneself? I only ask cause I see the parts for the AR's around here.
 

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You'll have to forgive my ignorance, but when you say upgrade is that buying the Plus or can you buy the parts and upgrade it oneself? I only ask cause I see the parts for the AR's around here.
No worries. You'd be trading in your current pistol for the new one. I posted a video a few posts up that discusses the Shield Plus specs and details
 

DiGeneral

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Ironic that you say that cuz I heard S&W worked with Apex to create their new triggers. I did notice the gritty feel as well on the 10mm model. The updated 9mm models don't have that gritty feel though. As for the frame plugs, where would you get that?

Interesting, I've messaged Scott Folk (1/2 owner of Apex) he informed me that Apex was R&Ding their current M&P trigger to see if it was safe to run in the 10mm. He said nothing about Apex assisting in the development of the current iteration of the M&P trigger. In fact, at the time of my inquiry they were waiting for a 10mm to test. I will have to ask him, when I see him on the forums.

S&W Part numbers 392460000 & 392470000
I Copped from usagunsandgear.com
 

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Interesting, I've messaged Scott Folk (1/2 owner of Apex) he informed me that Apex was R&Ding their current M&P trigger to see if it was safe to run in the 10mm. He said nothing about Apex assisting in the development of the current iteration of the M&P trigger. In fact, at the time of my inquiry they were waiting for a 10mm to test. I will have to ask him, when I see him on the forums.

S&W Part numbers 392460000 & 392470000
I Copped from usagunsandgear.com
Think bout how the trigger feels when it breaks. My Apex trigger on my G48 felt almost exactly the same with how it breaks.

Here's a new video I found from MrGunsNGear bout the 10mm
 

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Yeah, you may go through tons of gear before you settle on things. I ran Surefire Scout lights on my rifles until I saw the light of Modlite. I run Surefire on my Glock and shotgun. It just depends. You also have to think about your own practical application and expected use. As far as range gear/tools, I don't take much. appropriate wrenches for my rifles and a multitool and some lube. I do this with my rifles too.

Small bit of lube, spare batteries for my optic and light, allen wrench to remove optic, small copies of my tax stamps for that rifle, and my old multitool. I do keep a pocket cleaning tool with cleaning rods for the suppressors because they crud up quick. But honestly, your tool collection will build itself based on the products you have and need.
This reminds me. I was looking at getting Samson Field Survivor kits that mount inside Hogue grips for AR15 & AKM

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When I went to buy everywhere was sold out, then I just forgot about them.
Anybody ever use one? Well made? Practical use for all parts?
They're about $95 for the grip insert, & $20 more for the grip
 
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dHustla

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Upgrade your Shield to the Shield Plus. You'll increase your carry capacity without sacrificing your accessory options as the Shield Plus retains the same physical dimensions. Plus you'll have a tremendously improved trigger. The only accessories that won't carry over are for magazines as the Shield Plus mags are shaped differently.
Wait, so the Shield Plus isn't single stack only? Because that's what initially turned me away from Shield, they were all single stack & low capacity. Same with G43

Fast forward to now, I'm considering G43X & G36.. and now maybe a Shield plus optic ready (I'm behind, I still haven't tried a pistol with a RDS)
 

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What kind of safes/cabinets are you guys using for storage? I bought one cabinet, but it was so damn flimsy that I sent it back. Looking for something that I can keep the kids out of.
Same here. Thinking a 24-36 gun in one location, then a couple 6-12 gun safes around house & barn
 

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Wait, so the Shield Plus isn't single stack only? Because that's what initially turned me away from Shield, they were all single stack & low capacity. Same with G43

Fast forward to now, I'm considering G43X & G36.. and now maybe a Shield plus optic ready (I'm behind, I still haven't tried a pistol with a RDS)
The Shield Plus was released this year & is in the same class as the P365s & Hellcats where they are considered 1.5 stack. The OG Shields are single stack. Easiest way to identify which model is which at a quick glance is the flat faced trigger on the new Shield Plus vs the hinged trigger used by the OG.
 

0utsyder

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The Shield Plus was released this year & is in the same class as the P365s & Hellcats where they are considered 1.5 stack. The OG Shields are single stack. Easiest way to identify which model is which at a quick glance is the flat faced trigger on the new Shield Plus vs the hinged trigger used by the OG.

Yeah, I just looked it up and found this. Granted this is the compact version, but this looks like the what you're talking about.
 

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Yeah, I just looked it up and found this. Granted this is the compact version, but this looks like the what you're talking about.
There are 2 barrel sizes for the Shield Plus (3.1 for standard or optic cut and 4" for the Performance Center model). I have the shorter one as I already have a G48 and was looking to replace my P365. For me the trigger is much better than the P365 with a more defined wall and less creep. Add in the fact that the one I copped was optic cut and the P365 wasn't made it an even better option.
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There are 2 barrel sizes for the Shield Plus (3.1 for standard or optic cut and 4" for the Performance Center model). I have the shorter one as I already have a G48 and was looking to replace my P365. For me the trigger is much better than the P365 with a more defined wall and less creep. Add in the fact that the one I copped was optic cut and the P365 wasn't made it an even better option.
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Sorry I forgot the video I was referencing:
 

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This is a fucking money pit!

I'm looking at getting a bolt .308, any advice would help.

It would be for longer range. I'm new to anything 100 yds or more
 
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This is a fucking money pit!

I'm looking at getting a bolt .308, any advice would help.

It would be for longer range. I'm new to anything 100 yds or more
Look at Ruger Precision Rifles. They can be had in .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor.


No matter what rifle you go with, the real expense is gonna be on your glass. For a really good scope, you can easily spend around $1K+.
 

PsiBorg

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This is a fucking money pit!

I'm looking at getting a bolt .308, any advice would help.

It would be for longer range. I'm new to anything 100 yds or more
For long range, the argument is always going to come down to the .300 WinMag or 7mm mag.

I bought a .300 WinMag (pic below). It has the range and it has the hitting power down range. The recoil is there, but it's manageable. I took it on my elk hunt, and I didn't even feel it; I guess because of adrenaline.

The people who use a 7mm swear by it. But, I love my .300 WinMag. I have a Winchester Model 70 Super Grade. I looked at tons of hunting videos before I made my purchase.

There are guys out there shooting 300 yards to 700 yards with those two bolt actions.

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S&W Shield Plus 9mm optic ready $480

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Good price. When I got mine, C&H Precision hadn't come out with an optic plate for Holosun or RMR red dots yet. I'm not sure if they have them now but I had the rear stubs shaved off and the front stubs filed down a lil so that my optic could fit flush. That voided my warranty but if you're not in a rush to get a red dot then you won't have to worry about that. The Holosun 407k/507k and Trijicon RMRcc are the best red dots you can get for a micro pistol. They both use the same adapter template as well. All the other micro pistol red dots are meh at best.
 

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@dHustla the key question to ask yourself for the bolt-action is what are you gonna use it for. Hunting or target shooting/precision shooting. 308 is a good entry caliber for both as it has good stopping power and can reach out to 800 yards in good conditions. The purpose of what you're shooting for will also help you determine what scope to go with. Hunting scopes will run you less as you can opt for lower quality glass and still be effective. The higher end glass are for precision shooting where you want the magnification to be as clear as possible.
 

PsiBorg

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@dHustla the key question to ask yourself for the bolt-action is what are you gonna use it for. Hunting or target shooting/precision shooting. 308 is a good entry caliber for both as it has good stopping power and can reach out to 800 yards in good conditions. The purpose of what you're shooting for will also help you determine what scope to go with. Hunting scopes will run you less as you can opt for lower quality glass and still be effective. The higher end glass are for precision shooting where you want the magnification to be as clear as possible.
I totally agree. I bought a .270 to hunt Deer on down, and .300 WinMag for anything larger. I don't plan on shooting anything past 400 yards (even though the rifle can shoot a lot farther), so I bought a Leupold 6-9x...

Now for target shooting, a lot of guys are using the 6.5 Creedmore.
 

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I totally agree. I bought a .270 to hunt Deer on down, and .300 WinMag for anything larger. I don't plan on shooting anything past 400 yards (even though the rifle can shoot a lot farther), so I bought a Leupold 6-9x...

Now for target shooting, a lot of guys are using the 6.5 Creedmore.
I know of at least 3 guys in my NAAGA chapter who shoot 6.5 Creedmoor. Another guy has 6mm ARC & another has 300 Win. I'm the only one shooting 224 Valkyrie. So far I've shot at a further distance (550 yards) than 2 of them. I'm looking forward to when we all go to the range together to see who can shoot the furthest. On paper they should beat me cuz they're shooting a heavier round with the exception of 6mm ARC.
 

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For my scope I'm running a Primary Arms 3x18x50. I was originally gonna get a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 6-25x50 but the guys in my chapter talked me out of it saying it was too much scope for my rifle. Since it's an AR, my minimum magnification should be lower so that it can still serve as a dual purpose rifle & suggested minimum magnification of 3x or lower. In the long run the scope I have now did the job & saved me almost $500. The glass isn't as good as the Vortex but is good enough to do the job. When I eventually jump up to a bolt-action, I'll be going with a stronger round & higher end scope.
 

PsiBorg

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I know of at least 3 guys in my NAAGA chapter who shoot 6.5 Creedmoor. Another guy has 6mm ARC & another has 300 Win. I'm the only one shooting 224 Valkyrie. So far I've shot at a further distance (550 yards) than 2 of them. I'm looking forward to when we all go to the range together to see who can shoot the furthest. On paper they should beat me cuz they're shooting a heavier round with the exception of 6mm ARC.
I'm not sure which one can go the furthest. But to me, it'll be about distance, accuracy, and "energy" down range.

The creedmore is accurate for sure, that's why people get it. But, can it bring down big game from way out, say 700 yards? I don't think it'll have that energy down range (+7oo yards). I know for a fact that a .300 WinMag and a 7mm Mag does.

Marines (I think) use or used to use the .300 WinMag as their sniper rifles.
 

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I'm not sure which one can go the furthest. But to me, it'll be about distance, accuracy, and "energy" down range.

The creedmore is accurate for sure, that's why people get it. But, can it bring down big game from way out, say 700 yards? I don't think it'll have that energy down range (+7oo yards). I know for a fact that a .300 WinMag and a 7mm Mag does.

Marines (I think) use or used to use the .300 WinMag as their sniper rifles.
6.5 Creedmoor is the flatter shooter & goes further. That's why it's so popular for precision shooting but 308 has a lil more punch so it's preferred over 6.5 for hunting
 

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Any of you familiar with the CZ?...supposedly rivals Glock




I have a CZ P-10s as my car gun. The P-10 series is the only one they have that can be considered in the same class as Glock. Great out the box triggers but are no where near on the same level for aftermarket support. Smith & Wesson's M&P series is the closest to Glock for aftermarket support and quality followed by Sig with their P320 series. Walter is pushing the PDP to enter that class as well. CZ falls behind all of them in that regard. However when it comes to competition shooting, CZ is top tier.
 
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I have a CZ P-10s as my car gun. The P-10 series is the only one they have be considered in the same class as Glock. Great out the box triggers but are no where near on the same level for aftermarket support. Smith & Wesson's M&P series is the closest to Glock for aftermarket support and quality followed by Sig with their P320 series. Walter is pushing the PDP to enter that class as well. CZ falls behind all of them in that regard. However when it comes to competition shooting, CZ is top tier.
How's the in hand feel?
 

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FYI. Almost bought one with a coworker last night, but he cussed his wife out and didn't think it was wise to make a purchase until he made up lol.
 

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How's the in hand feel?
For me it's good. It has a more natural grip angle as opposed to the aggressive angle and hump that Glocks use. You can swap out the backstraps so it can fill your hand more as well. I'd probably put it on par with the feel of the new M&P 2.0 pistols (the ones with the flat faced triggers). The Walter PDP has the best ergonomic feeling grip to me followed by the HK VP9/P30.
 

DiGeneral

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Think bout how the trigger feels when it breaks. My Apex trigger on my G48 felt almost exactly the same with how it breaks.

Here's a new video I found from MrGunsNGear bout the 10mm


Nah, this M&P trigger feels nothing like any of my Apex triggers. I run Apex triggers in a few different platforms. One of the best attributes is that they feel consistent regardless of platform. From the take up through the reset, they are very similar. This is definitely, not that :smh:. The gritty feel is my biggest issue. In any event, I have an Apex in bound...
 
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