HBO Series: Watchmen (2019) (drops 10/20/19) Thread

BigDaddyBuk

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They got this after watchmen type continuation comic series that kinda confirms it.
After watchmen or before watchmen?

Owlman number 1 killed one of the alleged hooded justices...the comedian killed another one. Even captain metropolis wasnt sure what was going on with Hooded Justice, sounding like it was a one participant relationship and he was led on the whole time.
 

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Gotdamn!!!!! Shit don't make no sense!!!!!
 

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I'm actually good with no second season

Or this being a true detective type situation
I agree, whether if Angela received God powers or not what would her purpose be? They can write in story line of a splinter cell of Cyclops that created their own Dr. Manhattan but not as powerful. But we don't need to have another super hero series. And can a continuation of the series serve the social and racial impact this one has?
 

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After watchmen or before watchmen?

Owlman number 1 killed one of the alleged hooded justices...the comedian killed another one. Even captain metropolis wasnt sure what was going on with Hooded Justice, sounding like it was a one participant relationship and he was led on the whole time.


it was an off shoot of the Doomsday Clock series
 

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Where do you work where there was open racial shit talk the day after the first episode? Jessie Lee Peterson Production Company?

Shit, where I used to work, they definately would have talked about that shit openly the first day. It was about 100 people with 6 brothers and one of us couldn't be count on. I can't stand a token. White people define racism at the point where it exonerates them, usually with the N word. "I didn't use the N word so it's not racist".
 

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How Watchmen Built Out Its Universe With Peteypedia
By Jackson McHenry@McHenryJD
Lube Man, unmasked. Photo: Courtesy of HBO
From the start, HBO’s remixed version of Watchmen presented viewers with a world that was both dense in references and sprawling in scope. Still, only so much story and information can fit into nine hours of TV. That’s where “Peteypedia” comes to the rescue: After each episode of Watchmen, HBO uploaded a few documents to the website under the pretense that they contained research compiled by FBI Agent Dale Petey (Dustin Ingram), a minor character who works with Laurie Blake. Each set of documents adds background detail about the world of the show, and gives Watchmen’s writers a chance to lay out more lore for fans who might be interested.
“We knew that we have constructed a rather huge iceberg, but we were only ever going to play on the top of it, in terms of what’s onscreen,” Jeff Jensen, the Watchmen writer who oversaw Peteypedia, told Vulture. “There was a lot below it that we wanted the viewers to know that we had worked out.”
Now that Watchmen has ended, Vulture caught up with Jensen on how Peteypedia came together, the thinking behind the key backstory they explained offscreen, the mental state of Agent Petey himself, and, of course, the secret identity of everyone’s favorite slippery vigilante, Lube Man.

Inspired by Watchmen’s ‘back matter’
“We wanted to do our equivalent of additional materials — the kinds of things that you find in the original comic that comes at the end of every issue,” Jensen said. In that comic, readers got excerpts from Hollis Mason’s memoir Under the Hood; newspaper interviews with Adrian Veidt; and far-right tirades from the New Frontiersman. The Watchmen writers wanted to get similar extra material out to viewers, but they debated whether the best way to do it would be through post-credit sequences, posting updates on Twitter, or some other format. “As we got to the end of the show, we ultimately [decided] that the internet would be the best place for this stuff to live,” Jensen said. “It just became a question of what pieces that we wanted to do. It was in that consideration that the idea of having a folder on the computer desktop of Agent Petey, something that he would call Peteypedia, was born.”

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The Watchmen team came up with the idea for Peteypedia while they were working with Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross on their packaging for the soundtrack, which you can buy in vinyl form with additional materials and backstory about the series (one installment, for instance, is packaged like the soundtrack for the American Hero Story TV show). HBO’s marketing team suggested that they do something similar with the materials they wanted to put online. “This kind of thing could easily have become marketing fluff,” Jensen said. “But there was a commitment, all around, that this is a supplement. If you are interested or curious, this stuff is here for you to read and investigate. It is part of our world. It is canon.”
With Peteypedia idea taking shape after the show filmed, Jensen worked through the summer of 2019 to convert ideas from the writers’ room, “pages of our series bible that I inevitably would be asked to write,” and other backstory pitches into distinct cultural objects.
Laurie Blake’s untold story
One of the first major characters from the original comic to make her presence known in HBO’s Watchmen, Laurie Blake (formerly Juspeczyk, a.k.a. Silk Spectre) took a long road to her job on the FBI’s vigilante task force in the series. The show suggests that she took a plea deal after being arrested alongside Dan Dreiberg (a.k.a. Nite Owl) in the 1990s, but Peteypedia gives you the whole story, including the fact that she and Dan prevented the Oklahoma City bombing, but got arrested and prosecuted in its aftermath. Laurie pleaded out and joined the vigilante task force, but Dreiberg stayed in jail.
“It explains a lot of things, like the line in episode three when she says, ‘Fucking Oklahoma,’” Jensen said, acknowledging that they couldn’t fit her backstory into the show. “We realized there was no room or relevancy to make that part of the main story. When we drew up our list of what to do with additional materials, number one on the list was always, How did Laurie become an agent for the FBI?
The mystery of Lady Trieu
Lady Trieu (Hong Chau), a Vietnamese trillionaire genius who turns out to be Adrian Veidt’s daughter, was “always supposed to be something of a mystery in the show itself,” according to Jensen. To that end, the main information we get about Trieu in Peteypedia comes in the form of a “Fact or Fiction” newspaper clipping from a gossipy Tulsa reporter, who includes details like the fact that her mother Bian wrote a memoir about raising a genius that’s been translated as Pachyderm Mom. “We just thought that was a fun way to get a lot of lore, some of which may or may not be true” Jensen explained, adding that he’s interested in the way her presence in the story opens up questions about American imperialism. “She might come off as a Bond villain, but she becomes a doorway to another part of this world that maybe future Watchmen storytelling can explore more deeply,” Jensen said. “If Watchmen is ultimately about America, this season was to some degree a burrow into some of the foundational sins of America on the domestic side. What is America’s relationship to the rest of the world?”
The Fogdancing extended universe
When Jensen read the original Watchmen, he was fascinating by a little detail about the pirate comics writer Max Shea, who wrote a novel called Fogdancing that was twice adapted into films. “First of all, cool title. What is Fogdancing about? And, twice filmed, how did that happen?” he said. In the process of creating the show, the writers’ room decided that the characters needed to be reading Fogdancing: You can see it in the hands of one character selling eggs in episode four, and Veidt reads the book in his prison cell on Europa.
In writing the Veidt scene, Lindelof asked Jensen to come up with a summary of what’s important about the book. “I took some of our notes that we had in the room and came up with this plot summary of Fogdancing,” Jensen said. “Damon was like, That’s not what you’re supposed to do, I just wanted a paragraph.” So, when it came time to put together additional materials, Jensen knew he wanted to include that plot summary, which involves the trauma of an American supersoldier. “Fogdancing exists in the additional materials as the result of my personal obsession with Fogdancing arcana and the thing that I wrote, and to honor the spirit of a lot of what we talked about in the room about the book being in some way pertinent to superhero culture in the Watchmen-verse.”
A blueprint for the Doctor Manhattan dildo
HBO’s version of Watchmen’s best visual joke is the giant blue dildo, with detachable ball batteries, that Laurie Blake keeps in a suitcase to illustrate lingering attachment to Doctor Manhattan. The actual prop was given to writer Lila Byock after filming, but you can see the in-universe specs for the device on Peteypedia. Jensen delighted in the world-building details you get from the diagram, like the fact that it was manufactured by Merlin Corp, a company owned by Dan Dreiberg, hinting about dysfunction between Dan and Laurie. To make the blueprints, he ended up working with Nine Inch Nails’ design team of John Crawford and Corey Holms, who also designed the albums. “If you were delighted or offended by the blueprints of Laurie’s blue dildo,” Jensen said. “Thank-slash-blame Nine Inch Nails.” Oh, and the fact that Excalibur sounds like “Ex-Cal-Abar” and hints at Doctor Manhattan’s secret identity? That’s intentional. “Of course!” Jensen said. “Damon is incredibly gifted with the puns, so I just lay this at his feet.”
But really, who is Lube Man?
“Lube Man sprung fully oiled from the mind of Damon Lindelof,” Jensen said. Originally, they thought a character who appeared out of nowhere and slipped into a sewer grate would be a fun side tangent, but like so many Watchmen fans, the writers did seriously debate Lube Man’s identity. “One [theory] was that he was certainly someone who was invested in the mysteries of the masked vigilante in the world,” Jensen said. “That could’ve been Petey, that could’ve been some other ideas.” By the end of the first season, once the writers had committed to the idea that Lube Man would be a loose end, Jensen admits that it “made sense to everyone” that he was probably Petey: “Ultimately, with Damon’s blessing, we seem to strongly imply that it was him.”
But is it actually Dustin Ingram, who plays Ageny Petey, in costume as Lube Man? Jensen himself isn’t sure. “I want the behind-the-scenes story of how we did that!” he said. “The execution of that scene is so good that now I totally get why people are obsessed with the mystery of Lube Man. I hope that they find it satisfying that he is actually Agent Dale Petey and that he is at large in the world, doing lube-y things.”
 

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These were very very powerful themes and materials they were utilizing to tell their story here.

I am a big believer that our genes retain carry and transfer trauma from generation to generation

That nostalgia episode was so deep and well done and i understand there is a type of commonality they wanted to display to the Audiences

But this why i think the homosexual turn in tbis SPECIFIC case COULD have been changed.

COULD

Our unresolved and continued pain and suffering as people in this country is unique.

And this series essentially based the entire storyline foundation on that.

They could have obtained universality in that specificity

I am not saying only heterosexual males suffered.

And having his granddaughter FEEL his pain both literally and metaphorically was a hell of a message

And for the sons to carry the sins of the father too.

Perfect.

But it was the way it was just PLOPPED in like hey yeah ok he gay too surprise no big deal?

Was weak to me. You gonna do that especially in THAT EPISODE?

do it right.
 

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Started watching yesterday … I didn't make it past 3/4 of the first episode … recorded all to date …… deleted all of them ….. :hmm:


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"Watching" the first 45 minutes of a series (probably while "multitasking" on another device) and not being able to make it through the last 15 minutes of the first episode -- and then having the gall to share your negative review (or re-partial-view)-- is reflective of the public's rapidly diminishing attention span.

When you hear about the public not being interested in impeachment or complaints that the process has taken too long, remember that a significant percentage of the public can't even give an hour long TV show its full and undivided attention.
 

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"Watching" the first 45 minutes of a series (probably while "multitasking" on another device) and not being able to make it through the last 15 minutes of the first episode -- and then having the gall to share your negative review (or re-partial-view)-- is reflective of the public's rapidly diminishing attention span.

When you hear about the public not being interested in impeachment or complaints that the process has taken too long, remember that a significant percentage of the public can't even give an hour long TV show its full and undivided attention.
Wrong …. I gave it all of my attention ….. and it just didn't grab me ….. nothing is wrong with my attention span ..... I watched 5 episodes of Treadstone in a row ... and I'm still watching them .... binge watched Mr. Robot .... Black Lightning as well as a lot of other series ..... this ….just didn't pique my interest .... what does it for you to watch ... won't be the same for others or me ..... OK Dr. Phil ?
:cheers:

sidebar: your post made me think of an old snooty white cac in a smoking jacket with a pipe …. in a chair in front of a burning fire place … you have the unmitigated gall to think that everyone is gonna like what you like .... and damn them if they speak ill of it ...



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"Watching" the first 45 minutes of a series (probably while "multitasking" on another device) and not being able to make it through the last 15 minutes of the first episode -- and then having the gall to share your negative review (or re-partial-view)-- is reflective of the public's rapidly diminishing attention span.

When you hear about the public not being interested in impeachment or complaints that the process has taken too long, remember that a significant percentage of the public can't even give an hour long TV show its full and undivided attention.

Facts
 

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Wrong …. I gave it all of my attention ….. and it just didn't grab me ….. nothing is wrong with my attention span ..... I watched 5 episodes of Treadstone in a row ... and I'm still watching them .... binge watched Mr. Robot .... Black Lightning as well as a lot of other series ..... this ….just didn't pique my interest .... what does it for you to watch ... won't be the same for others or me ..... OK Dr. Phil ?
:cheers:

sidebar: your post made me think of an old snooty white cac in a smoking jacket with a pipe …. in a chair in front of a burning fire place … you have the unmitigated gall to think that everyone is gonna like what you like .... and damn them if they speak ill of it ...



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I don't understand the type of person who watches 45 minutes of a show to see what all the hype is about and doesn't bother watching the last 15 minutes. You've spent as much time in this thread defending your uninformed opinion as it would have taken to at least watch the end of the first episode.

I can understand not continuing after one complete episode but investing 45 minutes of supposedly undivided attention and not putting in 15 more to understand what is being set up just seems dumb IMO.
The only thing interesting was the Tulsa race killings in the beginning ….. that should stay a topic of discussion




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Maybe that was the last 15 minutes and a recurring focus during the series. :hmm:
 

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The only thing interesting was the Tulsa race killings in the beginning ….. that should stay a topic of discussion




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Had you finished the episode I'm positive you would have wanted to see what happens next. Usually first episodes are slow, but not in this case. There was action and mystery. Regina rolling up and snatching dude out of his crib should have been enough to keep you entertained. The beginning alone should keep you glued to your seat. Give it another try.
 

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Had you finished the episode I'm positive you would have wanted to see what happens next. Usually first episodes are slow, but not in this case. There was action and mystery. Regina rolling up and snatching dude out of his crib should have been enough to keep you entertained. The beginning alone should keep you glued to your seat. Give it another try.
I remember that … I watched all the way till they interrogated him in the pod .... maybe that was part of the second episode? :dunno:


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I don't understand the type of person who watches 45 minutes of a show to see what all the hype is about and doesn't bother watching the last 15 minutes. You've spent as much time in this thread defending your uninformed opinion as it would have taken to at least watch the end of the first episode.

I can understand not continuing after one complete episode but investing 45 minutes of supposedly undivided attention and not putting in 15 more to understand what is being set up just seems dumb IMO.

Maybe that was the last 15 minutes and a recurring focus during the series. :hmm:
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A super hero show about what's important to Black America, our fears were never Nazis, Russians, Chinese or the Middle East. Or Hydra, AIM the Legion of Doom, It's Racism in America and every Government sanctioned hate group created for the soul purpose to destroy the Black race. And that was unsettling to those "die hard" Watchman fans, a super hero show told from our perspective. The opening with the Tulsa Massacre was a clear indication on the direction the series was taking and they knew it and they didn't like it.
 

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A super hero show about what's important to Black America, our fears were never Nazis, Russians, Chinese or the Middle East. Or Hydra, AIM the Legion of Doom, It's Racism in America and every Government sanctioned hate group created for the soul purpose to destroy the Black race. And that was unsettling to those "die hard" Watchman fans, a super hero show told from our perspective. The opening with the Tulsa Massacre was a clear indication on the direction the series was taking and they knew it and they didn't like it.
My impression from podcasts and press is that most of the die hards loved it.
 

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same old shit when it comes to Hollywood recognizing quality Black actors/directors/stories.
The Hollywood Foreign Press Assoc. had NO/ZERO nominations for :

Watchmen
When They See Us
Euphoria


@lightbright - if you're following "Black Lightening" but didn't like "Watchmen" - :dunno:
GOOD NEWS! The way S01 ended there will prolly/maybe/hopefully be a S02.

and Obama liking "Fleabag" :smh:
I found S01E01 but couldn't locate any other episodes.
It's some wierd shit for sure...
 

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Dr. Manhattan is a Cop: "Watchmen" and Frantz Fanon - Los Angeles Review of Books
DECEMBER 31, 2019
Should we be surprised that Damon Lindelof’s Watchmen made Lady Trieu the bad guy? That a character named after Bà Triệu, a legendary third-century nationalist hero who resisted the Chinese occupation of Vietnam, must in the end be stopped by the combined efforts of two white men associated with the genocidal destruction of multiple civilian populations (the Manhattan Project, the bombing of Vietnam itself, and the squid-fall of New York)? Should we be surprised that a show which began with an airplane dropping bombs on Tulsa provides narrative closure by thwarting Trieu’s evil plans with “a gatling gun from the heavens” fired at Tulsa? (The gatling gun, briefly used in the American Civil War, and extensively used in colonial subjugation.) How did Lady Trieu, would-be avenger of colonial-violence-from-the-heavens, become the victim of yet another righteous iteration of death from the skies?
If you’re even asking these questions, it might be because you know who the real villain is. It might be that you read the original comics and recognized what they were suggesting about America, and about what having God and masked vigilantes on its side would produce: imperial expansion and conquest under an unimpeached Nixonian presidency. In our world, of course — un-blessed by the existence of superheroes — Nixon’s reign was ended by imperial overreach and executive hubris, precedents were established on the limitations of American imperial ambition and presidential corruption, and the Cold War eventually ground to a halt. But in the American superpower made by the existence of superheroes — as imagined by Dave Gibbons and some other guy who has washed his hands of the entire enterprise — a single blue line connects the KKK to the bombing of Vietnam and to the inevitability of nuclear holocaust. In the Watchmen comic, to put it simply, you know who the world’s main villain is: America.
In 2017, Alan Moore called superheroes “tremendously embarrassing and not a little worrying,” and described the “franchised übermenschen” and “white supremacist dreams of the master race” that he once created to “cowardice compensators, perhaps a bit like the handgun on the nightstand.” When he suggested “D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation as the first American superhero movie,” he crystallized something that the Watchmen comic books were also very clear on, but which seems to have confused the HBO version: it was a good thing that the United States lost the war in Vietnam, that Nixon’s presidency was ended, and that Superman isn’t on our side. In America, “vigilante justice” has always meant white people rolling back the social revolutions of reconstruction and the civil rights era (and decolonization) and Making America Great Again by imposing order on the wretched of the earth. For the origin of our superhero monomyth to be Thomas Dixon’s vision of racist counterrevolution in The Clansmen — which by inspiring D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation actually helped re-birth the literal Ku Klux Klan — isn’t just a zesty bit of contrarianism from cranky old Uncle Alan. Aligning the fantasy of vigilante justice with the explosion of white supremacy that powered lynch law, Jim Crow, and anti-immigrant violence across the 20th century also works surprisingly well as a critique of the nationalism that has powered this country’s post-9/11 “adventurism”: from “the spirit of 9/12” and the ticking-timebomb scenario to the broad notion of America as victim, and therefore justified in standing its ground, the comic offers a deep and scorching critique of the entire enterprise.
In the original comic, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, to put it bluntly, did not suggest that the original superhero is the Black victim of white supremacist violence; “Hooded Justice” is the wish-fulfillment fantasy of a white supremacist state, libidinal violence utterly typical of white men of their era. When, in the comic, Hooded Justice is heard “openly expressing approval of Hitler’s Third Reich, and Captain Metropolis has gone on record as making statements about black and Hispanic Americans that have been viewed as both racially prejudiced and inflammatory,” we should recognize the banal, unsurprising racism of the kind of white man who longs for the crime-fighting function of police but eschews the social constraints of democratic law. It’s not really a problem to be solved; they are what they seem to be.
You do have to admire the skill and audacity with which Damon Lindelof constructs an alternate account of the superhero, and does so almost totally within the constraints of the original comic canon. From the character’s sympathies for Germany to his costume to his sexuality to his disappearance, Lindelof takes all the facts as given in the comics — which lead fairly dispositively to one reading of the character — and produces a radically different story out of it. Instead of the sexual thrill of violence, sanctioned by its legitimacy against criminals and other non-persons — and in the name of public order — the man under the hood is an idealist whose trust in the law and devotion to the work of crime-fighting is rooted in a combination of trauma, nostalgia, and the lies told to him by films. It also tells the story of his disillusionment, of how he took off the hood.
But has America taken off the hood? Has HBO? From the beginning, the most unsettling thing about Lindelof’s Watchmen has been its trust in the law, from its cop protagonist on down: after an opening sequence emphasizing how police are made vulnerable by nonsensical legalistic constraints — that could have been scripted by the Fraternal Order of the Police — Detective Abar proceeds to unmask a white supremacist conspiracy by beating up the usual suspects until they give her the (correct) information. But, of course, that was just the opening episode, the setup for episode after episode of reversal and reveal; that couldn’t be where the show would land, right? When I read Noah Berlatsky’s argument (after episode six) that “Watchmen still can’t imagine justice, hooded or otherwise, separate from policing,” I trusted in the show to prove him wrong.
I’m not sure it has. Most Americans do trust in the law, in no small part because an awful lot of Americans are white. Damon Lindelof is white, as are most of the show’s production staff, and as an enthusiastic fundraiser for Kamala Harris, maybe it’s anything but surprising that he ends the show where he does, with a cop being deified (after utopians of all stripes are repudiated) and the FBI arrest of a murderous narcissist. Are we seeing a fantasy scenario of a prosecutor in chief winning the primary and then defeating and hauling Trump off to jail? It would be a disservice to claim that this is all the show turns out to be, but the show certainly was written at a moment when Lindelof seemed to have been hoping for this electoral outcome. But it’s still distressing to discover that finger-breaking torture is portrayed as effective policework in the last episode as well, that saving the world turns out to be indistinguishable from raining death from the heavens, that a superpower is faulted for not doing more (rather than for not doing less), that genius is passed down genetically, and that reparations seem to produce little more than resentful white people (and shame for the Black people who take it). And while giving superpowers to a Black, female cop turns out to be the limit to the show’s utopian imagination — even as the show’s real villain turns out to be a woman of color proposing to end world hunger and destroy nuclear weapons — isn’t surprising, it was still disappointing.
I’ve been thinking about why it’s disappointing. In the ’80s, it could seem plausible to “solve” the looming threat of nuclear war by creating the worldwide fear of an alien invader, “a force so dreadful it must be repelled, all enmities aside,” as Veidt declares. But this elegant twist — by which the savior of mankind is also a supervillain who kills millions of people, and gets away with it — was an elegant genre subversion because the antihero really was novel and subversive in the mid-’80s. By making the original Superman a Hitler-sympathizing vigilante literally clothed in KKK iconography, Moore and Gibbons were demonstrating the genre’s disavowed logic, and what Moore says so explicitly in that 2017 interview is pretty easy to find in the comic itself. There’s literally a comic within the comic, in which a shipwrecked sailor tries to save his family and town from pirates and ends up killing his family and town and then joining the pirates, all to hammer the point home: to save humanity from a nuclear holocaust, Veidt kills three million people; because he calculates the inevitability of The Event, he intervenes to bring it about; to be the hero, he becomes the villain. Since 1985, this once-novel idea has been absurdly generative and influential to the point of cliché: from the Watchmen-esque “The Killing Joke” through the Nolan Batman movie through the MCU up to Thanos, the superantihero has been at the heart of the modern post-9/11 revival of the superhero movie. What if the villain is the hero? What if the hero is the villain? “You know how you can tell the difference between a superhero and supervillain?” the comic asked, and then answers, “Me neither!”
It is not, however, particularly realistic. When the super-genius Veidt calculates “the mathematics of the situation,” he is able to deduce the inevitability of nuclear-powered conflict and the inevitable death of the earth unless he intervenes, and so, he intervenes. But without 1985’s version of the ticking-time-bomb scenario — in which it really is inevitable that humanity will destroy itself through its Manichaean countdown to an inevitable nuclear war — Veidt’s solution to the Gordian knot is actually just wrong. So it’s worth noting that in 2019, we are without that inevitability as narrative crutch. The Cold War didn’t end in a nuclear holocaust, so it clearly wasn’t inevitable; meanwhile, climate change will destroy what we now call civilization in a matter of decades, a doom we can know with a much firmer epistemological foundation. Veidt’s predictions were fears made into a parody of science and the doomsday clock was a metaphor; today, the science on climate change is the unanimous consensus across the scientific community, and the endpoint is a modeling problem: how soon, how fast, how high.
Well! In the Watchmen timeline, the cold war never ended and Dr. Manhattan has gifted us with an endless supply of Tesla batteries. But if the comic was interesting because it wasn’t about reality — because it depicts an alternate timeline through-a-glass-darkly — Lindelof’s remix very ostentatiously is. Because the Tulsa massacre really happened, and because it’s been a suppressed historical event — such that even calling it a “race riot,” as insurance companies did to avoid paying for damages, is to collude in that ongoing suppression of historical memory — the show’s decision to open with it is also a demand that we admit what happened, a truth-claim made about our real world. Lindelof might have only first learned about Tulsa from Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “The Case for Reparations,” but his Watchmen stands beside it and other acts of liberal, restorative history, like The 1619 Project, as a demand that we revise our historical understanding of America to place Black people at the center. In this way, when the show reveals the original Watchmen-verse superhero, “Hooded Justice,” to have been a queer Black victim of the Tulsa massacre — whose mask is also the closet — what the show is doing is anything but satire or genre subversion; it is making a claim on American idealism. Like the 1619 project, it goes back to the founding moment of the superpower — a story usually told as a glorious white birth — and tells it, instead, as the story of Black suffering, resistance, and resilience.
The odd thing is that if the 1619 Project revises The Glorious Myth of the Founding, Watchmen (2019) is revising Watchmen (1986). Instead of pulling down statues of slaveholding statesmen and excavating the cemetery at Monticello, Lindelof’s Watchmen is far less skeptical of power than was the romantically anarchist Moore’s. His comic suggested that power was fundamentally dangerous and untrustworthy, and “Who will watch the Watchmen?” is, in the comic, both unanswered and unanswerable. The show has an answer, it would appear from the ending: the right kind of person can be the right kind of cop, and the right kind of cop — endowed with superpowers — might be just what America needs.
This isn’t surprising; why was it disappointing?
We tend to predictably do the same things we’ve always done. If you’ve read me before, you shouldn’t be surprised when I complain about how the show imagines climate change or wrongly diverges from history. As my long-suffering editor has observed — roasting me so hard that I couldn’t help but be flattered to be so seen — this is exactly the sort of thing I always write. But when people do what you expect them to do, what they’ve done before, you can’t really be surprised.
You can, however, be disappointed when people don’t exceed those expectations, if you’ve seen evidence that they could. And what’s disappointing about HBO’s Watchmen is that it has, within it, a much smarter and more radical show than it ultimately lets itself become. I’ve been so focused on explaining my criticisms of the show, in fact, that I’ve given lamentably short shrift to everything that’s amazing about what they did, starting with the audacity of putting the backlash to reconstruction on screen at all and ending with some truly scintillating cinematography. But it’s because that part of the show was good enough that I’d want to forget how they ruined it with the end; I’d like to stick a hunk of metal into my prefrontal cortex and read the first seven episodes as a single unit, without knowledge of Dr. Manhattan (and the show’s bad reading of Things Fall Apart as For Whom the Bell Tolls); I’d like to read it, instead, as the story of Angela and her grandfather and the unsolvable problem of being a Black police officer in America, the way it almost is. We have to flood the last two episodes with tachyons, of course — those last two episodes in which Angela and her grandfather stand around and watch other people do things — but if you pretend you don’t know what will happen after episode seven, you can imagine a different ending flowing out of it, climaxing a narrative arc of recognition, disavowal, and abolition.
You can, for example, read Hooded Justice through Frantz Fanon. We can read his initial turn to vigilante justice through the psychoanalysis of Black Skin, White Masks in the ’50s — in which the victims of colonial violence hysterically replicate the scenes of their own violations — and in his eventual discovery that he has very literally become his own enemy; when he sees himself in the mirror, and mirrored in his own son, he sees his mask as a symptom and he finds liberation in taking it off. This isn’t a reach; this reading is remarkably on the nose with what we see on the screen. But Fanon also didn’t stop with analysis: after his time as a therapist in France, he joined the Front de Libération Nationale in North Africa when the Algerian revolution began. In work that would culminate in Wretched of the Earth, he discovered global solidarity against white supremacy. This is the Fanon that would have illuminated the Angela and Lady Trieu team-up that doesn’t happen: instead of Lindelof’s apparently straight-faced version of Douglas Adams’s joke about who deserves power, Fanon worked to distinguish the violence that replicates trauma from the violence that liberates from it, and did so from a position of basically rejecting the world as presently constituted.
The Fanonian Watchmen is there, but buried deep. By quoting from the The Internationale, Fanon’s title gives to the Wretched of the Earth the implied imperative to “Stand up,” but Lindelof’s Watchmen submerges any revolutionary consciousness under things like the cartoonish “Red Scare” character. The only masses in the show are white supremacists. Still, if you look for it, you can find in the story of Angela and her grandfather the discovery that America’s problem is not hidden conspiracies to be revealed but the open secret of American white supremacy; if you want, you can trace out the show as it might otherwise have been, in which two granddaughters of American massacres team up to create a better world from the ashes of what was done to their families.
What’s strange about the show we actually got, in other words — the thing that makes it disappointing — is that it came so close. Two granddaughters are artificially made to recall the holocaust of their fore-parents: Bian’s artificially implanted memory evokes My Lai and other American massacres of Vietnamese people (“I was in a village, men came and burned it, and then made us walk. I was walking for so long, mom, my feet still hurt”) yet it’s so precisely what Angela’s grandparents might recall of Tulsa in 1921 that the coincidence can’t just be a coincidence. Yet instead of pressing this analogy into the space of solidarity, only one of these horrific experiences is shown to us in vivid, gruesome detail. The Vietnamese holocaust is always secondhand, overheard, the “murderer” scrawled across a mural of Dr. Manhattan. And because we do not see the terror of his victims, nor are we with them when they die, the parallels remain latent. Instead of reminding us that The Bomb really was dropped on Asian cities — and that every nightmare of what could happen if the Cold War exploded is patterned after massacres that really did happen across the world for the two centuries prior — the show retreats into making New York City the only civilian population whose experience of terrorism is given depth and psychological nuance.
Why? Where does what Leslie Lee calls this show’s “startling lack of imagination about how to address race in a world of superheroes” come from?
One answer is that there were no Vietnamese writers. If it was important that two-thirds of the show’s writers were Black, the lack of Vietnamese writers only underscores the point. The show makes Dr. Manhattan into a rather uncomplicated Good Guy — saving the day at the end, a martyr, and a Basically Good Dude who takes care of the kids — but a Vietnamese writer might have suggested that “mistakes were made, the past is the past” isn’t much of a reckoning with his body count. Such a person might have insisted on connecting the planes bombing Tulsa in the first scene of the show to the American bombing of southeast Asia, and on the parallel between Angela and Lady Trieu that such a connection implies. Why would the granddaughter of Tulsa ally herself with Dr. Manhattan — and all he represents — rather than with Lady Trieu, and all that she does?
Put differently, while the show’s disinterest in Lady Trieu’s backstory has been criticized as a lack — Viet Thanh Nguyen laments the absence of a Vietnamese version of episode six and Alyssa Rosenberg suggests that a Vietnamese season two would fill these gaps — I find myself unsatisfied with the racial fatalism of this approach. It’s to Damon Lindelof’s credit that when he decided to make the show about race, he recognized the need to work with writers whose lived wisdom could help him see past his blind spots; it’s also to his credit that he didn’t turn his racial limitation into an excuse not to try, as he explained to David Remnick. That white people find it awkward to talk about race is the very opposite from an excuse from having to do so (and having to do so well).
But could “a Vietnamese voice” be inserted into this show? Would it be compatible with the default nationalism that structures and frames nearly everything that we read, view, consume, and produce in general, and definitely frames how this particular show is written? One way to call for more diverse writers and stories is to think about why they couldn’t have been there in the first place. We should never be surprised when attentive narrative care gets lavished on American victims leaving the victims of American empire — if they dare to act out — to be demonized or caricatured as cartoonish terrorists. We should be anything but surprised that Vietnam — where uniformed Americans dropped bombs on Vietnamese villagers — is most viscerally presented in the show as the place where a Vietnamese terrorist kills Angela’s (uniformed) parents with a bomb because an entire culture industry has taught us to remember that war as a site of American suffering. And we should be anything but surprised when Angela’s memory of her parents’ death is abruptly interspersed with scenes from the Tulsa massacre. The analogy drawn in that moment — and the solidarity the show uses it to evoke — is not between the wretched of the earth but between Americans and other Americans, and an insistence on that form of solidarity as the relevant one. To say that it could have been different only underscores the stakes in insisting that it not be.
And so, we know why this is where the show ultimately ends, why it treats the trauma of the squidfall on New York with such care and delicacy: it reminds us of a story about a particular American “us,” the victims of 9/11. Instead of the “chickens coming home to roost” reading we might get from the comics, Lindelof’s version draws from comforting nationalist fables, in which the NYPD were made into “first responders” (rather than the racial-profiling, broken-windows vigilante force of the gentrification that made Giuliani’s New York City “great again” for its real estate developers). The 9/11 ticking timebomb scenario makes it correct to torture suspects for information, a tactic that — in this show, perversely — always seems to work when it’s done by the good guys.
The problem, in other words, is that the show ultimately can’t give up its good guys, or let them grow out of the bad guys they might otherwise discover themselves to have been. Angela Abar is a protagonist who was a colonial police officer in Vietnam and become a police officer in Tulsa, a conquered but unpacified territory of the United States at the turn of the 20th century. What was it like to police a conquered but unpacified Vietnam at her turn of the 21st, and how might that story have resonated with the story of the people who were living in the Oklahoma territory before it became a state in 1907? Screenwriter Frantz Fanon might have known what to do with such material.
Instead, while the show bends over backwards to disconnect Angela Abar from any sense of Black community beyond a VHS cassette she imprints on as a child — growing up in Vietnam without her parents, she marries a white man in blackface and adopts the children of her white co-workers on an apparently majority-white police force — the show never quite explores what she DOES with her discovered connections, once she’s digested them. How does what she learns about where she’s from and who her people are — and about the life of Hooded Justice — make her reflect on the person that her experience in Vietnam shaped her to be? Is she, to put it bluntly, still a cop at the end?
It’s unclear. In the first episode, we see Angela beat information out of a suspect she’s profiled and in the last episode we see her, again, break fingers for information. We’ve seen her aspire to be a police officer in Vietnam after a pair of colonial police officers execute a (visibly tortured) suspect — on the unbelievably flimsy evidence of a child’s say so — turning her family’s suffering at the hands of nationalist terrorists into a lifelong vocation of law and order. We’ve seen revenge become eros, her desire to listen to the death of a terrorist seamlessly merging with her desire to fuck the Manhattan Project, a love she eventually proves, inspires, and avenges when she takes on the Seventh Kavalry with a machine gun. She marries the show’s godlike instantiation of Henry Kissinger’s wildest fantasies of American omnipotence — a man whose name evokes Hiroshima and Nagasaki and whose career includes the equally genocidal destruction of southeast Asia — but if there’s any reason beyond “because that’s the way it happened,” I can’t figure it out.
On some level, the pointlessness of Angela’s shootout in the last episode must be the answer: while they zap him anyway, it’s the thing he has predicted will make him have always loved her. But if it makes Cal love Angela precisely because it accomplishes nothing (except for revenging his death before the fact), it might be a clue as to why causation is such a problem to be solved in this show: if chickens and eggs are simultaneous, then we don’t have to ask whether revenge only perpetuates the foundational trauma. If there’s no such thing as causation, then we never have to ask whether chickens come home to roost.
Critiquing this show for being insufficiently Fanonian is probably as boring as complaining that Lindelof Doesn’t Understand Teh Comics. But the ending is disappointing because Angela didn’t have to eat that fucking egg. In our world, environmental justice is central to black liberation, because it’s central to everything. But in the Watchmen timeline, where there’s no climate change, its place as the continuing, unsolvable, and existential threat to the world — the thing that might make the earth die — has been taken by the nuclear weaponry created by the Manhattan project. At the end of the show, Angela has in her hand the last and only remnant of the comic’s most potent symbol of American genocidal potency. She could have smashed it, a culmination of all that she’s learned about being absorbed into a power structure; she could have learned the lesson of Hooded Justice’s distrust of the law and said no. The show could even have ended a few seconds earlier, before she’d walked to the swimming pool and becomes the vessel for that egg; in that moment, standing in front of the refrigerator, I can see her now: she has a choice.
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Dr. Manhattan is a Cop: "Watchmen" and Frantz Fanon - Los Angeles Review of Books
DECEMBER 31, 2019
Should we be surprised that Damon Lindelof’s Watchmen made Lady Trieu the bad guy? That a character named after Bà Triệu, a legendary third-century nationalist hero who resisted the Chinese occupation of Vietnam, must in the end be stopped by the combined efforts of two white men associated with the genocidal destruction of multiple civilian populations (the Manhattan Project, the bombing of Vietnam itself, and the squid-fall of New York)? Should we be surprised that a show which began with an airplane dropping bombs on Tulsa provides narrative closure by thwarting Trieu’s evil plans with “a gatling gun from the heavens” fired at Tulsa? (The gatling gun, briefly used in the American Civil War, and extensively used in colonial subjugation.) How did Lady Trieu, would-be avenger of colonial-violence-from-the-heavens, become the victim of yet another righteous iteration of death from the skies?
If you’re even asking these questions, it might be because you know who the real villain is. It might be that you read the original comics and recognized what they were suggesting about America, and about what having God and masked vigilantes on its side would produce: imperial expansion and conquest under an unimpeached Nixonian presidency. In our world, of course — un-blessed by the existence of superheroes — Nixon’s reign was ended by imperial overreach and executive hubris, precedents were established on the limitations of American imperial ambition and presidential corruption, and the Cold War eventually ground to a halt. But in the American superpower made by the existence of superheroes — as imagined by Dave Gibbons and some other guy who has washed his hands of the entire enterprise — a single blue line connects the KKK to the bombing of Vietnam and to the inevitability of nuclear holocaust. In the Watchmen comic, to put it simply, you know who the world’s main villain is: America.
In 2017, Alan Moore called superheroes “tremendously embarrassing and not a little worrying,” and described the “franchised übermenschen” and “white supremacist dreams of the master race” that he once created to “cowardice compensators, perhaps a bit like the handgun on the nightstand.” When he suggested “D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation as the first American superhero movie,” he crystallized something that the Watchmen comic books were also very clear on, but which seems to have confused the HBO version: it was a good thing that the United States lost the war in Vietnam, that Nixon’s presidency was ended, and that Superman isn’t on our side. In America, “vigilante justice” has always meant white people rolling back the social revolutions of reconstruction and the civil rights era (and decolonization) and Making America Great Again by imposing order on the wretched of the earth. For the origin of our superhero monomyth to be Thomas Dixon’s vision of racist counterrevolution in The Clansmen — which by inspiring D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation actually helped re-birth the literal Ku Klux Klan — isn’t just a zesty bit of contrarianism from cranky old Uncle Alan. Aligning the fantasy of vigilante justice with the explosion of white supremacy that powered lynch law, Jim Crow, and anti-immigrant violence across the 20th century also works surprisingly well as a critique of the nationalism that has powered this country’s post-9/11 “adventurism”: from “the spirit of 9/12” and the ticking-timebomb scenario to the broad notion of America as victim, and therefore justified in standing its ground, the comic offers a deep and scorching critique of the entire enterprise.
In the original comic, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, to put it bluntly, did not suggest that the original superhero is the Black victim of white supremacist violence; “Hooded Justice” is the wish-fulfillment fantasy of a white supremacist state, libidinal violence utterly typical of white men of their era. When, in the comic, Hooded Justice is heard “openly expressing approval of Hitler’s Third Reich, and Captain Metropolis has gone on record as making statements about black and Hispanic Americans that have been viewed as both racially prejudiced and inflammatory,” we should recognize the banal, unsurprising racism of the kind of white man who longs for the crime-fighting function of police but eschews the social constraints of democratic law. It’s not really a problem to be solved; they are what they seem to be.
You do have to admire the skill and audacity with which Damon Lindelof constructs an alternate account of the superhero, and does so almost totally within the constraints of the original comic canon. From the character’s sympathies for Germany to his costume to his sexuality to his disappearance, Lindelof takes all the facts as given in the comics — which lead fairly dispositively to one reading of the character — and produces a radically different story out of it. Instead of the sexual thrill of violence, sanctioned by its legitimacy against criminals and other non-persons — and in the name of public order — the man under the hood is an idealist whose trust in the law and devotion to the work of crime-fighting is rooted in a combination of trauma, nostalgia, and the lies told to him by films. It also tells the story of his disillusionment, of how he took off the hood.
But has America taken off the hood? Has HBO? From the beginning, the most unsettling thing about Lindelof’s Watchmen has been its trust in the law, from its cop protagonist on down: after an opening sequence emphasizing how police are made vulnerable by nonsensical legalistic constraints — that could have been scripted by the Fraternal Order of the Police — Detective Abar proceeds to unmask a white supremacist conspiracy by beating up the usual suspects until they give her the (correct) information. But, of course, that was just the opening episode, the setup for episode after episode of reversal and reveal; that couldn’t be where the show would land, right? When I read Noah Berlatsky’s argument (after episode six) that “Watchmen still can’t imagine justice, hooded or otherwise, separate from policing,” I trusted in the show to prove him wrong.
I’m not sure it has. Most Americans do trust in the law, in no small part because an awful lot of Americans are white. Damon Lindelof is white, as are most of the show’s production staff, and as an enthusiastic fundraiser for Kamala Harris, maybe it’s anything but surprising that he ends the show where he does, with a cop being deified (after utopians of all stripes are repudiated) and the FBI arrest of a murderous narcissist. Are we seeing a fantasy scenario of a prosecutor in chief winning the primary and then defeating and hauling Trump off to jail? It would be a disservice to claim that this is all the show turns out to be, but the show certainly was written at a moment when Lindelof seemed to have been hoping for this electoral outcome. But it’s still distressing to discover that finger-breaking torture is portrayed as effective policework in the last episode as well, that saving the world turns out to be indistinguishable from raining death from the heavens, that a superpower is faulted for not doing more (rather than for not doing less), that genius is passed down genetically, and that reparations seem to produce little more than resentful white people (and shame for the Black people who take it). And while giving superpowers to a Black, female cop turns out to be the limit to the show’s utopian imagination — even as the show’s real villain turns out to be a woman of color proposing to end world hunger and destroy nuclear weapons — isn’t surprising, it was still disappointing.
I’ve been thinking about why it’s disappointing. In the ’80s, it could seem plausible to “solve” the looming threat of nuclear war by creating the worldwide fear of an alien invader, “a force so dreadful it must be repelled, all enmities aside,” as Veidt declares. But this elegant twist — by which the savior of mankind is also a supervillain who kills millions of people, and gets away with it — was an elegant genre subversion because the antihero really was novel and subversive in the mid-’80s. By making the original Superman a Hitler-sympathizing vigilante literally clothed in KKK iconography, Moore and Gibbons were demonstrating the genre’s disavowed logic, and what Moore says so explicitly in that 2017 interview is pretty easy to find in the comic itself. There’s literally a comic within the comic, in which a shipwrecked sailor tries to save his family and town from pirates and ends up killing his family and town and then joining the pirates, all to hammer the point home: to save humanity from a nuclear holocaust, Veidt kills three million people; because he calculates the inevitability of The Event, he intervenes to bring it about; to be the hero, he becomes the villain. Since 1985, this once-novel idea has been absurdly generative and influential to the point of cliché: from the Watchmen-esque “The Killing Joke” through the Nolan Batman movie through the MCU up to Thanos, the superantihero has been at the heart of the modern post-9/11 revival of the superhero movie. What if the villain is the hero? What if the hero is the villain? “You know how you can tell the difference between a superhero and supervillain?” the comic asked, and then answers, “Me neither!”
It is not, however, particularly realistic. When the super-genius Veidt calculates “the mathematics of the situation,” he is able to deduce the inevitability of nuclear-powered conflict and the inevitable death of the earth unless he intervenes, and so, he intervenes. But without 1985’s version of the ticking-time-bomb scenario — in which it really is inevitable that humanity will destroy itself through its Manichaean countdown to an inevitable nuclear war — Veidt’s solution to the Gordian knot is actually just wrong. So it’s worth noting that in 2019, we are without that inevitability as narrative crutch. The Cold War didn’t end in a nuclear holocaust, so it clearly wasn’t inevitable; meanwhile, climate change will destroy what we now call civilization in a matter of decades, a doom we can know with a much firmer epistemological foundation. Veidt’s predictions were fears made into a parody of science and the doomsday clock was a metaphor; today, the science on climate change is the unanimous consensus across the scientific community, and the endpoint is a modeling problem: how soon, how fast, how high.
Well! In the Watchmen timeline, the cold war never ended and Dr. Manhattan has gifted us with an endless supply of Tesla batteries. But if the comic was interesting because it wasn’t about reality — because it depicts an alternate timeline through-a-glass-darkly — Lindelof’s remix very ostentatiously is. Because the Tulsa massacre really happened, and because it’s been a suppressed historical event — such that even calling it a “race riot,” as insurance companies did to avoid paying for damages, is to collude in that ongoing suppression of historical memory — the show’s decision to open with it is also a demand that we admit what happened, a truth-claim made about our real world. Lindelof might have only first learned about Tulsa from Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “The Case for Reparations,” but his Watchmen stands beside it and other acts of liberal, restorative history, like The 1619 Project, as a demand that we revise our historical understanding of America to place Black people at the center. In this way, when the show reveals the original Watchmen-verse superhero, “Hooded Justice,” to have been a queer Black victim of the Tulsa massacre — whose mask is also the closet — what the show is doing is anything but satire or genre subversion; it is making a claim on American idealism. Like the 1619 project, it goes back to the founding moment of the superpower — a story usually told as a glorious white birth — and tells it, instead, as the story of Black suffering, resistance, and resilience.
The odd thing is that if the 1619 Project revises The Glorious Myth of the Founding, Watchmen (2019) is revising Watchmen (1986). Instead of pulling down statues of slaveholding statesmen and excavating the cemetery at Monticello, Lindelof’s Watchmen is far less skeptical of power than was the romantically anarchist Moore’s. His comic suggested that power was fundamentally dangerous and untrustworthy, and “Who will watch the Watchmen?” is, in the comic, both unanswered and unanswerable. The show has an answer, it would appear from the ending: the right kind of person can be the right kind of cop, and the right kind of cop — endowed with superpowers — might be just what America needs.
This isn’t surprising; why was it disappointing?
We tend to predictably do the same things we’ve always done. If you’ve read me before, you shouldn’t be surprised when I complain about how the show imagines climate change or wrongly diverges from history. As my long-suffering editor has observed — roasting me so hard that I couldn’t help but be flattered to be so seen — this is exactly the sort of thing I always write. But when people do what you expect them to do, what they’ve done before, you can’t really be surprised.
You can, however, be disappointed when people don’t exceed those expectations, if you’ve seen evidence that they could. And what’s disappointing about HBO’s Watchmen is that it has, within it, a much smarter and more radical show than it ultimately lets itself become. I’ve been so focused on explaining my criticisms of the show, in fact, that I’ve given lamentably short shrift to everything that’s amazing about what they did, starting with the audacity of putting the backlash to reconstruction on screen at all and ending with some truly scintillating cinematography. But it’s because that part of the show was good enough that I’d want to forget how they ruined it with the end; I’d like to stick a hunk of metal into my prefrontal cortex and read the first seven episodes as a single unit, without knowledge of Dr. Manhattan (and the show’s bad reading of Things Fall Apart as For Whom the Bell Tolls); I’d like to read it, instead, as the story of Angela and her grandfather and the unsolvable problem of being a Black police officer in America, the way it almost is. We have to flood the last two episodes with tachyons, of course — those last two episodes in which Angela and her grandfather stand around and watch other people do things — but if you pretend you don’t know what will happen after episode seven, you can imagine a different ending flowing out of it, climaxing a narrative arc of recognition, disavowal, and abolition.
You can, for example, read Hooded Justice through Frantz Fanon. We can read his initial turn to vigilante justice through the psychoanalysis of Black Skin, White Masks in the ’50s — in which the victims of colonial violence hysterically replicate the scenes of their own violations — and in his eventual discovery that he has very literally become his own enemy; when he sees himself in the mirror, and mirrored in his own son, he sees his mask as a symptom and he finds liberation in taking it off. This isn’t a reach; this reading is remarkably on the nose with what we see on the screen. But Fanon also didn’t stop with analysis: after his time as a therapist in France, he joined the Front de Libération Nationale in North Africa when the Algerian revolution began. In work that would culminate in Wretched of the Earth, he discovered global solidarity against white supremacy. This is the Fanon that would have illuminated the Angela and Lady Trieu team-up that doesn’t happen: instead of Lindelof’s apparently straight-faced version of Douglas Adams’s joke about who deserves power, Fanon worked to distinguish the violence that replicates trauma from the violence that liberates from it, and did so from a position of basically rejecting the world as presently constituted.
The Fanonian Watchmen is there, but buried deep. By quoting from the The Internationale, Fanon’s title gives to the Wretched of the Earth the implied imperative to “Stand up,” but Lindelof’s Watchmen submerges any revolutionary consciousness under things like the cartoonish “Red Scare” character. The only masses in the show are white supremacists. Still, if you look for it, you can find in the story of Angela and her grandfather the discovery that America’s problem is not hidden conspiracies to be revealed but the open secret of American white supremacy; if you want, you can trace out the show as it might otherwise have been, in which two granddaughters of American massacres team up to create a better world from the ashes of what was done to their families.
What’s strange about the show we actually got, in other words — the thing that makes it disappointing — is that it came so close. Two granddaughters are artificially made to recall the holocaust of their fore-parents: Bian’s artificially implanted memory evokes My Lai and other American massacres of Vietnamese people (“I was in a village, men came and burned it, and then made us walk. I was walking for so long, mom, my feet still hurt”) yet it’s so precisely what Angela’s grandparents might recall of Tulsa in 1921 that the coincidence can’t just be a coincidence. Yet instead of pressing this analogy into the space of solidarity, only one of these horrific experiences is shown to us in vivid, gruesome detail. The Vietnamese holocaust is always secondhand, overheard, the “murderer” scrawled across a mural of Dr. Manhattan. And because we do not see the terror of his victims, nor are we with them when they die, the parallels remain latent. Instead of reminding us that The Bomb really was dropped on Asian cities — and that every nightmare of what could happen if the Cold War exploded is patterned after massacres that really did happen across the world for the two centuries prior — the show retreats into making New York City the only civilian population whose experience of terrorism is given depth and psychological nuance.
Why? Where does what Leslie Lee calls this show’s “startling lack of imagination about how to address race in a world of superheroes” come from?
One answer is that there were no Vietnamese writers. If it was important that two-thirds of the show’s writers were Black, the lack of Vietnamese writers only underscores the point. The show makes Dr. Manhattan into a rather uncomplicated Good Guy — saving the day at the end, a martyr, and a Basically Good Dude who takes care of the kids — but a Vietnamese writer might have suggested that “mistakes were made, the past is the past” isn’t much of a reckoning with his body count. Such a person might have insisted on connecting the planes bombing Tulsa in the first scene of the show to the American bombing of southeast Asia, and on the parallel between Angela and Lady Trieu that such a connection implies. Why would the granddaughter of Tulsa ally herself with Dr. Manhattan — and all he represents — rather than with Lady Trieu, and all that she does?
Put differently, while the show’s disinterest in Lady Trieu’s backstory has been criticized as a lack — Viet Thanh Nguyen laments the absence of a Vietnamese version of episode six and Alyssa Rosenberg suggests that a Vietnamese season two would fill these gaps — I find myself unsatisfied with the racial fatalism of this approach. It’s to Damon Lindelof’s credit that when he decided to make the show about race, he recognized the need to work with writers whose lived wisdom could help him see past his blind spots; it’s also to his credit that he didn’t turn his racial limitation into an excuse not to try, as he explained to David Remnick. That white people find it awkward to talk about race is the very opposite from an excuse from having to do so (and having to do so well).
But could “a Vietnamese voice” be inserted into this show? Would it be compatible with the default nationalism that structures and frames nearly everything that we read, view, consume, and produce in general, and definitely frames how this particular show is written? One way to call for more diverse writers and stories is to think about why they couldn’t have been there in the first place. We should never be surprised when attentive narrative care gets lavished on American victims leaving the victims of American empire — if they dare to act out — to be demonized or caricatured as cartoonish terrorists. We should be anything but surprised that Vietnam — where uniformed Americans dropped bombs on Vietnamese villagers — is most viscerally presented in the show as the place where a Vietnamese terrorist kills Angela’s (uniformed) parents with a bomb because an entire culture industry has taught us to remember that war as a site of American suffering. And we should be anything but surprised when Angela’s memory of her parents’ death is abruptly interspersed with scenes from the Tulsa massacre. The analogy drawn in that moment — and the solidarity the show uses it to evoke — is not between the wretched of the earth but between Americans and other Americans, and an insistence on that form of solidarity as the relevant one. To say that it could have been different only underscores the stakes in insisting that it not be.
And so, we know why this is where the show ultimately ends, why it treats the trauma of the squidfall on New York with such care and delicacy: it reminds us of a story about a particular American “us,” the victims of 9/11. Instead of the “chickens coming home to roost” reading we might get from the comics, Lindelof’s version draws from comforting nationalist fables, in which the NYPD were made into “first responders” (rather than the racial-profiling, broken-windows vigilante force of the gentrification that made Giuliani’s New York City “great again” for its real estate developers). The 9/11 ticking timebomb scenario makes it correct to torture suspects for information, a tactic that — in this show, perversely — always seems to work when it’s done by the good guys.
The problem, in other words, is that the show ultimately can’t give up its good guys, or let them grow out of the bad guys they might otherwise discover themselves to have been. Angela Abar is a protagonist who was a colonial police officer in Vietnam and become a police officer in Tulsa, a conquered but unpacified territory of the United States at the turn of the 20th century. What was it like to police a conquered but unpacified Vietnam at her turn of the 21st, and how might that story have resonated with the story of the people who were living in the Oklahoma territory before it became a state in 1907? Screenwriter Frantz Fanon might have known what to do with such material.
Instead, while the show bends over backwards to disconnect Angela Abar from any sense of Black community beyond a VHS cassette she imprints on as a child — growing up in Vietnam without her parents, she marries a white man in blackface and adopts the children of her white co-workers on an apparently majority-white police force — the show never quite explores what she DOES with her discovered connections, once she’s digested them. How does what she learns about where she’s from and who her people are — and about the life of Hooded Justice — make her reflect on the person that her experience in Vietnam shaped her to be? Is she, to put it bluntly, still a cop at the end?
It’s unclear. In the first episode, we see Angela beat information out of a suspect she’s profiled and in the last episode we see her, again, break fingers for information. We’ve seen her aspire to be a police officer in Vietnam after a pair of colonial police officers execute a (visibly tortured) suspect — on the unbelievably flimsy evidence of a child’s say so — turning her family’s suffering at the hands of nationalist terrorists into a lifelong vocation of law and order. We’ve seen revenge become eros, her desire to listen to the death of a terrorist seamlessly merging with her desire to fuck the Manhattan Project, a love she eventually proves, inspires, and avenges when she takes on the Seventh Kavalry with a machine gun. She marries the show’s godlike instantiation of Henry Kissinger’s wildest fantasies of American omnipotence — a man whose name evokes Hiroshima and Nagasaki and whose career includes the equally genocidal destruction of southeast Asia — but if there’s any reason beyond “because that’s the way it happened,” I can’t figure it out.
On some level, the pointlessness of Angela’s shootout in the last episode must be the answer: while they zap him anyway, it’s the thing he has predicted will make him have always loved her. But if it makes Cal love Angela precisely because it accomplishes nothing (except for revenging his death before the fact), it might be a clue as to why causation is such a problem to be solved in this show: if chickens and eggs are simultaneous, then we don’t have to ask whether revenge only perpetuates the foundational trauma. If there’s no such thing as causation, then we never have to ask whether chickens come home to roost.
Critiquing this show for being insufficiently Fanonian is probably as boring as complaining that Lindelof Doesn’t Understand Teh Comics. But the ending is disappointing because Angela didn’t have to eat that fucking egg. In our world, environmental justice is central to black liberation, because it’s central to everything. But in the Watchmen timeline, where there’s no climate change, its place as the continuing, unsolvable, and existential threat to the world — the thing that might make the earth die — has been taken by the nuclear weaponry created by the Manhattan project. At the end of the show, Angela has in her hand the last and only remnant of the comic’s most potent symbol of American genocidal potency. She could have smashed it, a culmination of all that she’s learned about being absorbed into a power structure; she could have learned the lesson of Hooded Justice’s distrust of the law and said no. The show could even have ended a few seconds earlier, before she’d walked to the swimming pool and becomes the vessel for that egg; in that moment, standing in front of the refrigerator, I can see her now: she has a choice.
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I ain't gone gripe about :colin:but breaking this copy into spaced out paragraphs would go a long way. It still looks like one big sentence run on.
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Should we be surprised that Damon Lindelof’s Watchmen made Lady Trieu the bad guy? That a character named after Bà Triệu, a legendary third-century nationalist hero who resisted the Chinese occupation of Vietnam, must in the end be stopped by the combined efforts of two white men associated with the genocidal destruction of multiple civilian populations (the Manhattan Project, the bombing of Vietnam itself, and the squid-fall of New York)? Should we be surprised that a show which began with an airplane dropping bombs on Tulsa provides narrative closure by thwarting Trieu’s evil plans with “a gatling gun from the heavens” fired at Tulsa? (The gatling gun, briefly used in the American Civil War, and extensively used in colonial subjugation.) How did Lady Trieu, would-be avenger of colonial-violence-from-the-heavens, become the victim of yet another righteous iteration of death from the skies?

If you’re even asking these questions, it might be because you know who the real villain is. It might be that you read the original comics and recognized what they were suggesting about America, and about what having God and masked vigilantes on its side would produce: imperial expansion and conquest under an unimpeached Nixonian presidency. In our world, of course — un-blessed by the existence of superheroes — Nixon’s reign was ended by imperial overreach and executive hubris, precedents were established on the limitations of American imperial ambition and presidential corruption, and the Cold War eventually ground to a halt. But in the American superpower made by the existence of superheroes — as imagined by Dave Gibbons and some other guy who has washed his hands of the entire enterprise — a single blue line connects the KKK to the bombing of Vietnam and to the inevitability of nuclear holocaust. In the Watchmen comic, to put it simply, you know who the world’s main villain is: America.
 

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Why Questlove's Discovery About His Ancestry on Finding Your Roots Is So Unusual

BY LILY ROTHMAN
DECEMBER 12, 2017
On Tuesday night’s episode of Finding Your Roots, the Henry Louis Gates Jr.-hosted PBS celebrity genealogy show, the musician and producer Questlove (Amir Thompson) will get a chance to uncover his family’s earliest days in the United States. But, while the show always relies on surprising reveals about its subjects’ backgrounds, it turns out that Questlove’s family has a distinction that sheds light not just on those individuals but on a larger story from American history. As shown in the clip above, the musician deduces in the course of the show that he is descended from enslaved people who came to the U.S. on the schooner Clotilda (sometimes written as the Clotilde), which means they would have been part of the last known group of Africans ever brought to the United States as slaves — more than a half-century after the international slave trade was officially banned.


Sylviane A. Diouf, who has researched the Clotilda in great depth, writes in the introduction to her book Dreams of Africa in Alabama that the group comprised more than 100 individuals who arrived north of Mobile in mid-1860, having spent more than a month on the ship. Though they were not the only enslaved people brought to the U.S. after the ban on the transatlantic trade, they would eventually become some of the most famous, after many decades of being forgotten by history. A few years after their arrival in Alabama, members of that group would be among the people freed during the course of the Civil War, and many of them were able to reunite from the places to which they had been sold. But, though only a few years had passed, they could not return home to West Africa. Instead they found a way to make the place to which they had been brought in bondage into their home, founding an Alabama town called Africatown. The last survivor of the group — a man who had been extensively interviewed by Zora Neale Hurston about his experience — died in 1935, but some of the original residents’ families still live there.

The discovery of ancestors on the Clotilda isn’t just an interesting genealogical fact. As Gates says, it means that Questlove is the only African-American he knows who can answer a question that many have asked: not only where in Africa his ancestors came from, but how exactly they got to the U.S. in the first place. As shown in this second clip, provided exclusively to TIME, Questlove hit the genealogical “jackpot”:









 
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