Is anyone on here REALLY voting for Kamala ? Why should I vote for Kamala?
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And hijacked the term “woke” from meaning Black and conscious to a term that includes every gender-bending, white sexually deviant ideology there is!
And that’s a big part of the reason why geechiedanyelle is such an ardent Dem supporter.
saying I am indifferent to their issues is a far cry from what you said.You still do not get it. As I’ve said before, I support an AGENDA, not a candidate. That agenda is reparations for ADOS. So if a candidate or party embraces that AGENDA, then that is the candidate or party I support.
Just as you say………..
Yet your Democratic Party platform says…….
“Democrats support policies and programs to make it easier for qualified immigrants and their families to become full and equal citizens, including increasing funding for culturally appropriate immigrant inclusion and citizenship services, legal support, English classes and bilingual education, workforce development, and adult education.”
CREATING A 21ST CENTURY IMMIGRATION SYSTEM - Democrats
democrats.org
Two can play this game geechie! So, as I said above, you either stand on business and debate me for real in a live Zoom session (especially since you say you’ll wipe the floor with me), or you fall back.
Then finding out Biden is doing just that and you're COMPLAINING ABOUT IT because it illustrates some kind of convoluted hypocrisy to what the democrat's policy is...
MEANWHILE Stein has a SIMILAR IF NOT SAME POLICY!
You stand on agenda.... well ol' girls AGENDA is one of acceptance and accommodation of immigrants illegal or otherwise and you're MUTE about that.
make it make sense as youre fond of saying..
watch this answer...
while youre at it answer this question you keep avoiding: All my question is what will be the socio-political repercussion for all of that? If the answer is WHO CARES AS LONG AS WE GET IT... then youre not being serious about what it would actually take to make that happen and more importantly STICK.
and republicans created the tea party which gave birth to MAGA ...again..whats your point? theres extremists all over??
now whose projecting!
And hijacked the term “woke” from meaning Black and conscious to a term that includes every gender-bending, white sexually deviant ideology there is!
And that’s a big part of the reason why geechiedanyelle is such an ardent Dem supporter.
if thats the case then why dont you post about the party and agenda you actually voted for?? the green party... remember..agendas???
saying I am indifferent to their issues is a far cry from what you said.
Then finding out Biden is doing just that and you're COMPLAINING ABOUT IT because it illustrates some kind of convoluted hypocrisy to what the democrat's policy is...
MEANWHILE Stein has a SIMILAR IF NOT SAME POLICY!
You stand on agenda.... well ol' girls AGENDA is one of acceptance and accommodation of immigrants illegal or otherwise and you're MUTE about that.
make it make sense as youre fond of saying..
watch this answer...
while youre at it answer this question you keep avoiding: All my question is what will be the socio-political repercussion for all of that? If the answer is WHO CARES AS LONG AS WE GET IT... then youre not being serious about what it would actually take to make that happen and more importantly STICK.
Nuance is lost with you. Highlighting the hypocrisy of Demobots like you and complaining about something are two entirely different things. The reality is that you and your ilk tolerate and accept shit from Biden and the Dems that you’d callout about Trump and the GOP.
And the socio-political repercussions for all what??? Designation of ADOS as a group and reparations?
Your gay aren't you?
if thats the case then why dont you post about the party and agenda you actually voted for?? the green party... remember..agendas???
For the same reason you’re posting in a Kamala-critical thread when there’s a damn near 600-page pro-Kamala thread you could stay in!
There’s also a Biden “Lift Every Voice” thread you could be posting in as well, highlighting the numerous accomplishments of his administration for Black ppl.
As a matter of fact, YOU started that thread four years ago………and then mysteriously stopped posting in it! I wonder why?? 
And I regularly post about the AGENDA I’m for. The thread is called A Blueprint for Reparations.
I'll give you credit. When you say you are about an agenda over a candidate you didn't lie. There are absolutely zero mentions of Jill Stein in that 18-page thread.For the same reason you’re posting in a Kamala-critical thread when there’s a damn near 600-page pro-Kamala thread you could stay in!
There’s also a Biden “Lift Every Voice” thread you could be posting in as well, highlighting the numerous accomplishments of his administration for Black ppl.
And I regularly post about the AGENDA I’m for. The thread is called A Blueprint for Reparations.
Takes one to know one...Your gay aren't you?
Why have I never seen you debate the socio-political repercussions of making trannies a protected class? Of forgiving student loans? Open borders? Or any other progressive Dem positions?
The one black agenda that my guy has consistently been promoting for years now is the one thing that has to SERIOUSLY have a microscope held to and picked apart? Hmmmm....
whats lost on you is common sense..if immigrants are being deported in large numbers then you should be happy about that pointing some hypocrisy is pointless ESPECIALLY when jill stein is proposing the SAME DAMN THING again something you are not addressing.
yes dumbass...that and everything else on that list. If a mere slogan like BLACK LIVES MATTER (where the context is understood by a retard) can get pushback from all conservatives and half of white america with ALL LIVES MATTER. If the 1619 project gets pushback with the 1776 project and 2025 project where theyre making laws in red states BANNING CRT and any mention of the realities of the american slavery period in schools. If AA and DEI are getting pushback to the point where SCOTUS with a black judge who only has the job because AA got him in Yale and that black judge STILL voted to strike it down...and AA has pushback from many blacks (again see Clarence Thomas) on both sides of the political spectrum.
you posted an article speculating that dems will swing to the right if kamala loses..
What do you think is going to happen if blacks are designated a special kind of protected class with laws and policy exclusive to us??? Run that scenario out considering the last 100 years and how the country has reacted to the black community on a legislative level...you tell us how you think thats going to go.
I sonned vaiz a few times just on here... most notably on a thread where he bitched about biden deporting haitians only to expose that he doesnt care about immigrants and repeatedly said so in other threads so haitians getting deported shouldnt really matter to him in this case and he kept moving the goalposts until someone else called him on his bullshit..
he does this FREQUENTLY.. so theres no point in a zoom debate when he cant get his shit straight just typing on a keyboard
I always try to understand everyone's point. The world is too vast. You never know, he could have a point.
I be multitasking when I'm on here so I can't articulate my points 80% of the time
on that topic he had no point.... you assessed it correctly. And I'm glad you called it out.
this thread asked a question and people are responding...its not a LETS SHIT ON KAMALA HARRIS....thats what YOU want to do.For the same reason you’re posting in a Kamala-critical thread when there’s a damn near 600-page pro-Kamala thread you could stay in!
a stated before: That thread was a question The PITCH TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY: BIDEN PLAN VS TRUMPS "PLATINUM" PLAN - which is more comprehensive to you?There’s also a Biden “Lift Every Voice” thread you could be posting in as well, highlighting the numerous accomplishments of his administration for Black ppl.
what dont you understand about that question???
oh the thread that shows DEMOCRATS actually pushing that agenda in some way?? cause thats all the articles on legislation you post.
That's a real gay thing to sayTakes one to know one...
Exactly. And few mentions of Biden, Obama, Harris, or Trump either, outside of geechie's trolling.
Take this conversation back to the thread it belongs in. As I said, you are a hypocrite, since you allow policies from Democrats that you condemn from the GOP. Be consistent. If you condemn deportation when Trump talks about it and does it, then you should condemn it when Biden does it.
yes dumbass...that and everything else on that list. If a mere slogan like BLACK LIVES MATTER (where the context is understood by a retard) can get pushback from all conservatives and half of white america with ALL LIVES MATTER. If the 1619 project gets pushback with the 1776 project and 2025 project where theyre making laws in red states BANNING CRT and any mention of the realities of the american slavery period in schools. If AA and DEI are getting pushback to the point where SCOTUS with a black judge who only has the job because AA got him in Yale and that black judge STILL voted to strike it down...and AA has pushback from many blacks (again see Clarence Thomas) on both sides of the political spectrum.
you posted an article speculating that dems will swing to the right if kamala loses..
What do you think is going to happen if blacks are designated a special kind of protected class with laws and policy exclusive to us??? Run that scenario out considering the last 100 years and how the country has reacted to the black community on a legislative level...you tell us how you think thats going to go.
"oh lawd what da white folx gon' think?"
Let's put it this way. We get nothing now! So I am not afraid of whatever so-called "pushback" we get. You and your party can advocate for people changing their gender, having multiple genders, biological sex doesn't even exist, switching pronouns. taxpayer-financed sex changes and all kinds of shit that virtually no societies or civilizations in human history have ever accepted as "normal", and you don't concern yourself about any "pushback" on that and you even advocate for it on this messageboard! So what's your sudden fear of reparations?
Who's shitting on Kamala? Maybe Willie Brown did? Or her white Jewish husband? But that's their business.
However, if a mixed-race Indian/Jamaican woman of dubious ancestry wants to run on the perception of being a "Black woman", that will get called out. If she says she won't support Black ADOS specific policies, then that will get called out. If she supports spending taxpayer money on Israel and the Ukraine, then that will get called out. If she pushes for radical transgender ideologies, then that will get called out.
If you don't like it, go to her 600-page Twitter spam worship thread!!
What I don't understand is that Biden has had four years to enact his "comprehensive" plan. So show me the fruits of that plan? And more than just a tweet from the Biden White House Twitter account. Show me some of those "numbers" you don't care to look at?
all of those are for EVERYONE and blacks benefit as well....
Yes, transgender people are protected from discrimination in the United States:
Employment
The Supreme Court ruled in 2020 that discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. This means that employers cannot discriminate against transgender or non-binary employees in hiring, promotion, or other employment practices.
Housing
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) interprets the Fair Housing Act to include discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.
Custody and visitation
Courts generally only consider factors that directly affect the child's best interests when making custody or visitation rulings. This means that transgender parents are usually treated the same as other parents.
Some states also have laws that protect transgender people from discrimination. For example, California law protects transgender and gender non-conforming people from discrimination in employment, and the Civil Rights Department enforces these protections.
now tell me how NONE of this applies to Black Americans or ONLY applies to trannys??
The protected class status he's talking about comes from this:
The ADOS Advocacy Foundation proposes the following policies that we believe will effect transformative change within the criminal justice system:
- The U.S. Department of Justice and Bureau of Prisons shall be required to collect disaggregated data in all instances to properly document the distinct and ongoing impact of the criminal justice system’s disproportionately negative outcomes for ADOS.
- ADOS must be designated and treated as a protected class at all levels of the criminal justice system. Legal doctrine and model jury instructions must be transformed so that the adjudication of an ADOS person’s criminal culpability—and any resulting sentence—will always be subject to an analysis of how that individual has been made to live by this country’s failure to meaningfully atone for the legacy of chattel slavery and to make a material repair to their ancestors. Evidence that an ADOS defendant’s behavior has its source in the resource deprivation and bottom-caste reality of daily ADOS life should, at worst, be partially exculpating.
Now as reasonable as all of that sounds to you or me.... what do you think the reaction would be in the country if this was set up by the President or Nancy Pelosi??
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I just responded in kind...
Now whose showing some senility? I havent condemned trump for anything concerning immigrants because I AM INDIFFERENT TO IMMIGRANTS ISSUES!!
YOU on the other hand lost your shit over biden doing something you actually agree with because its counter to policy you oppose anyway. But biden is a hypocrite for doing it but trump did it and people complained so people should complain about biden but he did something I agree with but he's a democrat so that means his policy on immigrants is soft but he's deported MORE immigrants than trump but I agree with it but he's a democrat so that doesnt seems right but....
and you call this NUANCE...
you can talk about trans people all day long at the end of the day they dont have anymore rights or privileges you have...and they ARE experiencing pushback. Reparations for slavery isnt new...the black panthers demanded it some 50+years ago...what was the reaction then??
And going back thru the end of the civil war when the actual former enslaved people were alive to receive it. what was the reaction then??
But somehow you think theres going to be no pushback for any president that says hey everyone I'm earmarking 20 TRILLION dollars for just one group! Annnd everyone is supposed to be onboard with it? Theres not going to be ANY reaction to the president who does that without consensus from congress (who by the way holds the purse as the legislative branch).
You think its just as simple as that??
its not about FEAR..its about REALITY.
You really are NOT a serious person.
if she's half jamaican then she is in fact half black so its moronic to question that. If the issue is if she is the American Descendants of Slavery then the answer is did she ever claim to be??? Obama's not ADOS either but he got more backlash for if he was MUSLIM or whether or not he was born in the US than he did for not being ADOS. I dont think YOU questioned it back in 2008 when the nigga was running...
So whats the big deal NOW??
I dont care what you dont understand...the point of that thread was to ask people comparing the two plans side by side which one they thought was more comprehensive... you see the results.... thats the point of the thread.
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If that was my priority issue why would i give a shit what the reaction would be?
THIS. Your insistence on pragmatic voting gives Dems cover to do the absolute bare minimum for the same black voters they venerate every election season. AKA more of the same.
Thank you however,
Im not saying either of you didn't have a point. Just cause you or I don't understand what he means doesn't mean he doesn't have a point.
I like to think this board is better than arguments. If dude is obviously trying to make a point, we should all try actually communicating.
I agree on that last last part...but some people dont want to have debate or point/counterpoint they just want an echo chamber of complaining.
Sometimes I play devils advocate just to look at all sides of an issue/argument and dudes on here get moist and start name calling rather than defending their position.
I noticed that ALOT on social media...people just want to declare shit and say..
then walk away. And when their position is challenged they get angry. Thats not how the world works.
By reaction I mean whats the realistic response
In order to get any legislation especially the kind that allocates funds thru you need a consensus of congress thats a majority of votes. Hey if you can consensus on pushing 20 trillion dollar reparation package thru and it NOT get altered or watered down...GREAT...but do you really believe that's the realistic thing thats going to happen??
Thats a large number of democrats and enough republicans are going to sign off on that package UNALTERED in both the house and senate???
I'm not sayings its not worth fighting for I'm asking what are the chances that youre going to get what you want in the manner you want it???
America Has Tried Reparations Before. Here Is How It Went.
There is no direct template for reparations of that kind, but Americans have received compensation for historical injustices before. Examples include Japanese-Americans interned during World War II; survivors of police abuses in Chicago; victims of forced sterilization; and black residents of a Florida town that was burned by a murderous white mob.
Here is a look at what happened in those cases, and some of the lessons that can be drawn from them:
Native Americans did not get full control of money awarded to them.
After World War II, Congress created the Indian Claims Commission to pay compensation to any federally recognized tribe for land that had been seized by the United States.
The group’s mission was complicated by a paucity of written records, difficulties in putting a value on the land for its agricultural productivity or religious significance, and problems with determining boundaries and ownership from decades, or more than a century, earlier.
The results were disappointing for Native Americans. The commission paid out about $1.3 billion, the equivalent of less than $1,000 for each Native American in the United States at the time the commission dissolved in 1978.
“On one level, it was remarkable,” said Melody McCoy, a lawyer for the Native American Rights Fund, a nonprofit group that has represented tribes in hundreds of major cases. “Congress listened to the claims of tribal leaders.”
But, Ms. McCoy said, the government took a paternalistic view, and kept Native Americans from having direct control of the funds, in the belief they were not “competent to receive such large amounts of money.”
“They did not make those awards, whether it was $200 million, $20 million or $20,000 — they held that money in trust accounts,” she said.
A separate agreement, struck with Congress in 1971, led to the biggest award — $962 million worth of land in Alaska, some 44 million acres — in return for Indians, Eskimos and Aleuts relinquishing their aboriginal claims to the rest of the state.
Once again, the compensation was not awarded directly; instead, the land was put in the control of corporations, and the beneficiaries were given shares of stock in them.
Some victims of forced sterilizations were left out.
One of the thorniest problems with making reparations to victims of sweeping historical injustices is deciding who is included and who is not.
In 2013, North Carolina became the first state in the country to pass a law intended to compensate the surviving victims among the 7,600 people who were sterilized under a decades-long eugenics program. The victims were largely poor, disabled or African-American. State lawmakers set up a $10 million fund to compensate them.
Conflicts arose over who was eligible. A state commission and state courts denied claims from relatives of victims who had died. Others were deemed ineligible because they had been sterilized by county welfare offices and not the state eugenics program, said Bob Bollinger, a lawyer who represented some of those victims.
“They got left out,” Mr. Bollinger said. “You’ve got to draw your reparations law broadly enough that you don’t leave out the people you’re trying to help.”
Defining the wrong done to Japanese-Americans was fairly straightforward.
On separate occasions 40 years apart, Congress awarded payments to Japanese-Americans who were taken from their homes during World War II and sent to internment camps.
The Japanese American Evacuation Claims Act of 1948 offered compensation for real and personal property they had lost. About $37 million was paid to 26,000 claimants. But no provision was made for lost freedom or violated rights.
That came in 1988, when Congress voted to extend an apology and pay $20,000 to each Japanese-American survivor of the internment. More than $1.6 billion was paid to 82,219 eligible claimants.
The internment had been “carried out without adequate security reasons,” Congress declared, and was “motivated largely by racial prejudice, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.” The act acknowledged that the physical and emotional damage the internees had suffered, including missed education and job training, could never be fully compensated.
The bill produced “a wonderful feeling” among Japanese-Americans, according to Representative Robert T. Matsui, a California Democrat who was interned with his parents as a child. “It lifted the specter of disloyalty that hung over us for 42 years because we were incarcerated. We were made whole again as American citizens.”
The injustice began and ended on known dates, most victims could be readily identified through official records, and more than half were still alive when the compensation was awarded. The situation would be much more complicated and challenging for African-American claimants seeking reparations over slavery.
America Has Tried Reparations Before. Here Is How It Went. (Published 2019)
With a renewed focus on reparations for slavery, what lessons can be drawn from payments to victims of other historical injustices in America?
So this issue playing out is almost guaranteed to not be as straight forward as you want it to be.... And one of them is political calculation by the elected politician. If it has broad appeal...no problem..if it doesnt...
"Transgenderism" and "open borders" are for EVERYONE and Blacks benefit as well????
How are you "indifferent" when you start threads on the issue and said above that Blacks benefit from open borders????
you can talk about trans people all day long at the end of the day they dont have anymore rights or privileges you have...and they ARE experiencing pushback. Reparations for slavery isnt new...the black panthers demanded it some 50+years ago...what was the reaction then??
And going back thru the end of the civil war when the actual former enslaved people were alive to receive it. what was the reaction then??
But somehow you think theres going to be no pushback for any president that says hey everyone I'm earmarking 20 TRILLION dollars for just one group! Annnd everyone is supposed to be onboard with it? Theres not going to be ANY reaction to the president who does that without consensus from congress (who by the way holds the purse as the legislative branch).
You think its just as simple as that??
its not about FEAR..its about REALITY.
You really are NOT a serious person.
Who said the idea of reparations was "new"? And who said there wouldn't be pushback? This is what I am talking about with you! Attributing beliefs to people and then arguing against what you attribute to them rather than what they say!
Obama was the wake-up call. And people were questioning it back then. Maybe just not you.
And Jamaican is a nationality, not a race. Is Sean Paul black?????????????? I know you won't address that question. Y'all never do. Not even the Jamaican and other West Indian tethers on the board will answer that question:
So as long as Biden or any other Dem proposes a "comprehensive" plan that they have no intentions of implementing and you have no intentions of even investigating if they did, you're happy with that? Aren't you Mr "Realism" who thinks reparations is a pipe dream that can realistically be accomplished??????
Did Biden carry out his Lift Every Voice plan or not? Should be a simple YES or NO answer.