Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks

[TheFuser]

I agree. I really don't have the perfect solution in regards to the borders. Who gets to keep what...

However I do believe the reality of the situation is that Israel is not going anywhere. The US won't allow it. And we still got the biggest guns. So what's the best way to make sure the Palestinian people get their land that can live with in peace?

I don't believe peace will be possible without the 2 state solution. I just don't see it.

I'm actually with you, I think it's the only way too. Israel will never have a one state, one vote, + right of return because they'd be outnumbered like crazy and they know it. That fake ass democracy they talk about would be chalked.

It's so complicated (but not really) when I think about it though. They'd have to kick out all settlers from The West Bank and East Jerusalem AND find a way to link Gaza to The West Bank so it's continuous. Which means Israel would have give up more land from 48 and kick out those southern settlers. I have no doubts the people of Hebron would enjoy this shit though. The settlers there are next level evil.

 

[AllUniverse17]

I'm actually with you, I think it's the only way too. Israel will never have a one state, one vote, + right of return because they'd be outnumbered like crazy and they know it. That fake ass democracy they talk about would be chalked.

It's so complicated (but not really) when I think about it though. They'd have to kick out all settlers from The West Bank and East Jerusalem AND find a way to link Gaza to The West Bank so it's continuous. Which means Israel would have give up more land from 48 and kick out those southern settlers. I have no doubts the people of Hebron would enjoy this shit though. The settlers there are next level evil.

Absolutely agree. The one state, one government, equal rights, everybody lives together... Will never happen. That's one of the few things both sides agree on actually.

 

[AllUniverse17]

Hamas tried to kill Arafat for thinking this too but somehow some on here believe they are sane/good faith actors. Shit is insane but the rugby calls so get ready to engage with with idiots on here defending islamists when literally the Arabs themselves won't.

Enjoy the rugby cuz.

 

[DJCandle]

I have a Coptic ex from Cairo and two exes from Khartoum so the reality in Egypt/Sudan has been front and center for me for a while. That is the main reason the Egypt and other Arab apologist are so baffling to me. I am currently in a country with a heavy population from the Maghreb but also Gulf so much of the talk on here has also been hilarious with that context in mind. I think I told you in a football thread that I was in a MENA country for the WC and all of the racial wildness that ensued is wild especially now as a lot of Us are defending people who will not only never claim to be Us but also had some very strong words for Us during the tournament .

Lol I remember that convo well.

It’s just western bias. Comes with the territory and I get it. None of us are immune to the tinting of our own experiences. Just breaking through that sometimes is challenging.

All that aside, you doing well and staying safe out there?

 

[woodchuck]

 

[DJCandle]

Welcome to 1938.

This will be very interesting pertaining to my post about news media vs. social media.

If it’s all social media and on the ground reports and accounts, Palestinians may have a fighting chance here.

 

[TheFuser]

 

[DJCandle]

I agree. I really don't have the perfect solution in regards to the borders. Who gets to keep what...

However I do believe the reality of the situation is that Israel is not going anywhere. The US won't allow it. And we still got the biggest guns. So what's the best way to make sure the Palestinian people get their land that can live with in peace?

I don't believe peace will be possible without the 2 state solution. I just don't see it.

Agreed. There’s no one state or one winner in this conflict, which is what EVERYONE wants. It’s exhausting lol

There can only be 2 winners and 2 losers.

Israel has to commit back some of the land to Palestinians and allow them freedom of movement, voting rights etc, and Palestinians need to be ok with that and stop referring to Balfour and the 67 borders, which is fucked up, but facing the brink of extermination, what other choice do you have? Some of something is better than nothing of everything.

They BOTH have to swallow their pride and come to the table.

2 losses for 2 wins.

 

[TheFuser]

Agreed. There’s no one state or one winner in this conflict, which is what EVERYONE wants. It’s exhausting lol

There can only be 2 winners and 2 losers.

Israel has to commit back some of the land to Palestinians and allow them freedom of movement, voting rights etc, and Palestinians need to be ok with that and stop referring to Balfour and the 67 borders, which is fucked up, but facing the brink of extermination, what other choice do you have?

They BOTH have to swallow their pride and come to the table.

2 losses for 2 wins.

Unfortunately, those far right warhawks in Israel ain't going for that shit. Whoever agreed to that on their side (we know Bibi would never) may end up like Yitzak Rabin

 

[DJCandle]

Unfortunately, those far right warhawks in Israel ain't going for that shit. Whoever agreed to that on their side (we know Bibi would never) may end up like Yitzak Ravin.

Yup.

The people of Israel need to get him outta office and fast, or even better, the ICC can roll out that endless list of criminal charges he’s racking up and throw him jail.

What’s worse is I don’t see either of those happening

 

[AllUniverse17]

Unfortunately, those far right warhawks in Israel ain't going for that shit. Whoever agreed to that on their side (we know Bibi would never) may end up like Yitzak Ravin.

No doubt, Bibi needs to go.

 

[Mask]

Once the Palestine leave the Gaza Strip they are not getting that land back.

Which is why the surrounding nations don’t want to except any refugees because they know there won’t be a West Bank nor Gaza Strip

 

[durham]

Legit had this conversation with someone about an hour ago. Dems may need to run another candidate for a number of reasons. I think there will be a good number of people who sit out next November.

Sanders voters did that. Clinton voters did that. Anyone check in on the makeup of the SC lately? Probably not the best childish temper tantrum tactic.

They have the right to sit on those votes as an American in a fucked two party system. Don't come back talking shit when Trump rolls through with his guilty take charge, his guilty Sate tax fraud and a pending federal case and then he wipes all that shit clean and is deemed King by Clarence Thomas

I didn't see this coming, but Ziggy Marley is standing with Israel.......his wife is Israeli.


Ziggy just posted this on his ig:

Damn. An entire career of lyrics about repping the downtrodden, but its fuck the Palestinian

 

[Dr. Truth]

Macklemore makes trash music but he’s always been a good dude

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Macklemore makes trash music but he’s always been a good dude

He’s white-white. They’re the only voice that matters. The people screaming for their land should’ve been born white and they wouldn’t be prone to being oppressed.

 

[Costanza]

 

[sharkbait28]

So you’re saying Hamas is 100 percent justified. I just don’t agree.

And that’s with agreeing that Israel is implementing oppressive apartheid on the Gazan.

I just don’t think any cause justifies killing innocents. But that’s just me.

And nowhere is my position pro-Israel. I’m anti killing of innocents.

What propaganda did I regurgitate? Please point it out

These lands have traded hands so many times through the years that no group of people can really claim they are their ancestral home. Hell, when the Persians conquered these lands from the Christian occupants, what was their first order? Massacre the inhabitants. Like I said, no innocent hands in the passing around of these lands. So what about the groups who had the land before current day Palestinians held it? Do they get to make a claim and kick both the Jews and the Palestinians out?

It's obvious you don't give a single fuck if any Israelis are killed or by what manner. And that's cool. I have a good friend of mine that's in Gaza now, moved there to be with her husband who was killed by Israeli border guards on some bullshit. I have always been against Israeli oppression.

Here let me help you out so you won't keep repeating the same thing;

Israel is the oppressor
Palestinians are the oppressed

You think that oppression justifies committing atrocities. I think committing atrocities because of atrocities just creates more atrocities. We just disagree on that. The sad thing is a million people in Gaza will suffer for this shit.

I'm out. Arguing about this shit is pointless. I have my own shit to worry about.

I feel you and honestly no disrespect bruh, I come here to sharpen my own opinions and don't mean to be an asshole... but honestly, on this topic, I think you and many folks that think along these lines are full of shit.

There's no equivalence here. Morally, in terms of resources/power/influence etc etc. It's just not a thing. I'll post a bit more for the folks watching casually with no background knowledge. This is an apartheid situation that's being funded by our own tax dollars. There's a level of complicity we're all engaged in no matter how decent we consider ourselves to be due to our own legal engagement in the US economy.

Chomsky and Finklestein have been talking about this for years. I might have brought this up more than a few times over a decade ago.

Michael Brooks, another Jewish dude himself (RIP), summed up the "complexity" of this problem recently before he passed away. The truth hits different when you're open to it. And I'm not being antagonistic at all lol, it's times I posture up like that but this is the goddamn internet lol, I'm just hoping you just evaluate this shit on your own time... along with any folks watching this convo, bc it's important af imo:

 

[Dr. Truth]

They coming for him

Macklemore's antisemitism accusations resurface after Hamas statement

After the star declared that he stands for "a Free Palestine and an end to the looming genocide of its people," social media users revisited a past controversy.

www.newsweek.com

 

[samh32]

Also, don't be shocked if you get detained at Tel Aviv Ben Gurion for a while. Especially if you have certain stamps on your passport. They detained my home Gabe for a couple hours interrogating him about his trip to Egypt. They stopped me literally when I got off the flight (which was routed through Moscow, Aeroflot, never fly them fam! lol). Not for anything on my passport, but because I'm Black. She admitted it. She was trying to get me to say I knew the only other Black person on the flight. It was weird as shit. I kept my cool and they let me go after a while.

LOL I travel throughout the area with a "Red Passport". The only thing Israel does is write a number down on a white piece of paper. That's one "stamp" I don't need/want while traveling through the Middle East.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

2 American hostages held since Hamas attack on Israel released: IDF

The long nightmare in captivity for two of the hostages taken by Hamas during its deadly surprise attack on Israel has ended, Israeli authorities said. Judith Raanan, 59, and her daughter, Natalie Raanan, 17, were released by Hamas to the Red Cross and are now back in Israel, Israel Defense...

www.yahoo.com

They relatives of a former NBC News contributor..

 

[Flawless]

I didn't see this coming, but Ziggy Marley is standing with Israel.......his wife is Israeli.


Ziggy just posted this on his ig:

Are any of the Marley sons married to a black? The one who married Lauren Hill clearly did it because of her celebrity status at the time.

 

[Mask]

Them Lebanese dudes ain’t playing…


“Hezbollah: We targeted the IDF sites in Harmon, Al-Asi and Ramim barracks with ATGMs and appropriate weapons”

“NEW: According to reports, the IDF took a large number of casualties in the most recent ATGM attack on Branit barracks

As a response to this, the IDF is violently shelling South Lebanon and direct clashes on the border are also reported.”

 

[World B Free]

Them Lebanese dudes ain’t playing…


“Hezbollah: We targeted the IDF sites in Harmon, Al-Asi and Ramim barracks with ATGMs and appropriate weapons”

“NEW: According to reports, the IDF took a large number of casualties in the most recent ATGM attack on Branit barracks

As a response to this, the IDF is violently shelling South Lebanon and direct clashes on the border are also reported.”

Israel fuk'd around and now they about to find out......

 

[sharkbait28]

Hamas tried to kill Arafat for thinking this too but somehow some on here believe they are sane/good faith actors. Shit is insane but the rugby calls so get ready to engage with with idiots on here defending islamists when literally the Arabs themselves won't.

I'm just grabbing random posts at this point. I honestly believe y'all dudes taking up for Israel are lost af. Let's talk about it.

 

[Mask]

Israel fuk'd around and now they about to find out......

So this shaping up to be a conflict?

Israel/US vs Gaza/Hamas, Lebanon/Hezbollah, Yemen & Iran

 

[World B Free]

So this shaping up to be a conflict?

Israel/US vs Gaza/Hamas, Lebanon/Hezbollah, Yemen & Iran

& Russian & Iran bout to low-key get in it.....

 

[Mask]

& Russian & Iran bout to low-key get in it.....

Russia seem to be on the let’s work this out tip… I meant they have relations with both Palestinians and Israelis.


Another question for y’all

So without any backing, Israel only chance is them nukes?

 

[World B Free]

Russia seem to be on the let’s work this out tip… I meant they have relations with both Palestinians and Israelis.


Another question for y’all

So without any backing, Israel only chance is them nukes?

I think Israel/Europe/USA would would rather destroy themselves and take us with them & nukes are apart of that. They are not going to willingly give up power. If they don't have power they'll would rather kill us all. It's like proverbial kid who takes this ball and goes home 'cause he can't control anything anymore.

 

[DJCandle]

Them Lebanese dudes ain’t playing…


“Hezbollah: We targeted the IDF sites in Harmon, Al-Asi and Ramim barracks with ATGMs and appropriate weapons”

“NEW: According to reports, the IDF took a large number of casualties in the most recent ATGM attack on Branit barracks

As a response to this, the IDF is violently shelling South Lebanon and direct clashes on the border are also

Nasrallah waiting in Beirut like.:

 

[DJCandle]

They are not going to willingly give up power.

This is why I have little faith for reparations in this country.

You don’t slaughter for power just to willingly give it right back

 

[World B Free]

This is why I have little faith for reparations in this country.

You don’t slaughter for power just to willingly give it right back

It's not in the mind of the racist settler to give reparations. They have no empathy.

 

[DJCandle]

It's not in the mind of the racist settler to give reparations. They have no empathy.

ZERO

 

[woodchuck]

 

[DJCandle]

Lmao, Onion?

 

[woodchuck]

Lmao, Onion?