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Q & A with GW Law Dean Dayna Bowen Matthew on the Supreme Court Opinions Banning the Use of Racial Considerations in Higher Education Admissions​

The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that admissions programs at Harvard and the University of North Carolina violated the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause.

June 29, 2023

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The Supreme Court building of the United States of America.
The U.S. Supreme Court reversed decades of precedent Thursday with its decision that ends the use of race-conscious college admissions policy, ruling twice in favor of the plaintiff in the Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina and Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard. Chief Justice John Roberts wrote the opinion for both. The UNC case was decided by a 6-3 vote, while the Harvard case was 6-2 as Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, an alumna of its law school, recused herself.
The court’s majority ruled that the admissions programs at both Harvard and UNC violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
In the Harvard case, filed initially in 2014, the plaintiff argued that the Boston-based institution violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act by penalizing Asian American applicants, engaging in racial balancing, overemphasizing race and rejecting workable race-neutral alternatives. In the UNC case, Students for Fair Admissions asserted that the university gives preference to underrepresented minority applicants to the detriment of white and Asian American applicants, while ignoring race-neutral alternatives.
In dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor stated that Thursday’s ruling “holds that race can no longer be used in a limited way to achieve such critical benefits ”and that with its holding, the Supreme Court“cements a superficial rule of colorblindness as a constitutional principle in an endemically segregated society where race has always mattered and continues to matter.”
In the landmark 2013 Grutter v. Bollinger case, the Supreme Court said that a student admissions process that favors underrepresented minority groups does not violate the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause if it considers other factors evaluated on an individual basis for every applicant. Now, Thursday’s opinion says that “respondents [UNC and Harvard] have failed to present an exceedingly persuasive justification for separating students on the basis of race that is measurable and concrete enough to permit judicial review, as the equal protection clause requires.”
Affirmative action has long been a hotly debated and contested topic since the Supreme Court ruled in the 1978 Regents of University of California v. Bakke case that a university's use of racial "quotas" in its admissions process was unconstitutional, but a school's use of affirmative action to accept more minority applicants was constitutional in some circumstances.
GW Law Dean Dayna Bowen Matthew spoke to GW Today to offer expertise on what these rulings mean for broadly and for institutions of higher education going forward.
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GW Law Dean Dayna Bowen Matthew (Photo courtesy of GW Law)
Q: What are some of the key takeaways we should know regarding Thursday’s opinions?
A: The first thing we should know is that simply stating that diversity provides an educational benefit is no longer constitutionally sufficient. The educational benefits of diversity in their own right are no longer a compelling interest that the constitution will permit as a justification for race-conscious admissions. Put another way, the law that we were following, that universities were following since 1978, has been limited considerably. And we therefore have to pursue the educational benefits of diversity within the confines of the court’s new law.
The second thing we should know is that the court didn't close the door entirely to affirmative action. The court applied the strict scrutiny test to say that these two programs in particular failed the Constitution’s requirements on several different grounds. From now on, universities may consider an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, through discrimination, inspiration or otherwise, but that consideration may not be done merely by changing application essays. The court found a student’s individual experiences related to race may be considered, but not experiences solely due to membership in a racial group. The court said that nothing prohibits universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected the applicant’s life, so long as that discussion is concretely tied to a quality of character or unique ability and that the particular applicant can contribute to the university. That’s important because we are committed as a university and as a law school to making sure that we follow the law but also that we pursue diversity in a way that is now constitutionally permissible.
A third thing we should note are the specific uses of race that have been prohibited. If race is a consideration, as the court has permitted, there has to be an endpoint to the use of race as a factor, universities may never use race as a stereotype, and race may not be used as a negative factor to harm non-minorities.
Q: The Supreme Court has wrestled with the question of race in college admissions for decades, but most cases have all largely landed in the same place. Why have these two cases been the ones to move the needle?
A: Part of it is the makeup of the court. The majority opinion was written by Chief Justice Roberts, but the majority includes three people who are relatively new to the court—Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett. The challenges to affirmative action have been really frequent. Since the Bakke decision, which was 45 years ago, the doctrine of affirmative action has been challenged over and over again, especially in higher education, and the court has repeatedly affirmed its commitment to educational benefits. This case is different, though, with the court saying the educational benefits that higher education is claiming are not enough.
Q: Nine states have already banned the use of affirmative action for public universities. Have we witnessed an impact on diversity in higher education in those states that might offer a picture of what this ruling means nationally?
A: California is a good state to point to there. We have data from medical schools that immediately after the state’s legislature passed Proposition 209 in 1996, the numbers of Latino American and Black Americans really plummeted. We also have evidence that by 2019, they have largely recovered those numbers. Medical schools in California adjusted their admissions policies and changed their processes for advising, mentoring and attracting students and thereby recovered those numbers so that by 2019, there were more Black and Latino students in California than there were before Proposition 209.
Q: In the 2003 Grutter v. Bollinger case, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor wrote in the majority opinion that “25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today.” How close or far away are we from achieving that, especially considering Thursday’s ruling?
A: I believe the court changed the calculus on this question today. We are no longer able to estimate the need for affirmative action based on years passed, but if employed, affirmative action must be tied to measurable outcomes. The court said judges would have to be able to measure the educational benefits of diversity in order for them to pass strict scrutiny. That means that a university would need data to show both the connection between its admissions policy and the outcomes they impact, and how those outcomes can be measured. Take, for example, national data that describes how graduation rates are uneven by race. A school that wishes to use race-conscious admissions that will pass strict scrutiny would have to show that its policy was affecting graduation rates in a measurable way. Perhaps that school could show that its practices increased the number of people going into an area of law or medical practice that was underserved. We do not yet know for sure what will work under this new law, but I see data as a great way to start the conversation.
Q: Do these rulings restricting race-based affirmative action threaten other diversity-focused programs at colleges and universities? Could it extend to areas outside of academia, such as hiring practices?
A: One thing that characterizes this opinion is that it is painstakingly precise in its interpretation of precedent to the point that the court even spent time looking at the exact number of students that were admitted as African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans in 10 classes at Harvard. This is a decision that describes the strict scrutiny requirements of an admissions program in higher education. That's all it does. It would be a mistake to take this precise decision and say that now we can't discuss race anywhere else, because that's not what the court said.
 

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GW Leadership Reacts to Supreme Court Ruling on Race-Conscious Admissions in Higher Education​

In statements to the university community, GW leaders expressed disappointment with the opinion and reiterated the benefits of a diverse student body in higher education.

June 29, 2023

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The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that using racial considerations in admissions at Harvard and the University of North Carolina violate the equal protection clause of the Constitution, a decision that will impact the way that colleges and universities in the United States select their students. In response, George Washington University President Mark S. Wrighton and President-elect Ellen M. Granberg released a joint statement to the university community expressing their disappointment in the court’s ruling, strongly reaffirming GW’s commitment to inclusive excellence and reiterating the educational benefits of a diverse student body.
More than a dozen members of GW leadership have issued their own statements in response to the ruling, below:

"The GW Board of Trustees is disappointed by the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court; however, the Board is committed to maintaining diversity as a core value of our university and fully supports the views shared by President Wrighton and President-elect Granberg in their message to the community. GW educates and trains the next generation of leaders, and we affirm the university's efforts to foster a diverse student body and further inclusive excellence, while operating within the law. This is critical work not only because it enables our university to fulfill its academic mission but also because it helps our students flourish, maximizing their ability to effect change here on campus and beyond."
Grace Speights
Chair of the George Washington University Board of Trustees



“I am deeply disappointed in the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to restrict the full consideration of race in university admissions practices—both as provost of GW and as a constitutional lawyer. It is through cultivating a diverse academic community that GW is able to fulfill our mission to train future leaders of the world and conduct and disseminate impactful research. Our students, faculty and staff are challenged and strengthened in all areas of our university through thoughtful engagement with myriad experiences and perspectives. The court’s ruling creates a new impediment to our ability to foster academic excellence, provide a well-rounded student experience and prepare our students to be leaders of a rapidly changing world. Nevertheless, as a university, we remain steadfastly committed to strengthening diversity, equity and inclusion as critical aspects of our important work as a preeminent global research university.”
Christopher Alan Bracey
Provost



“The Elliott School of International Affairs embraces the statement from GW President Mark Wrighton and President-elect Ellen Granberg. To their words we would only offer that the multipolar world before us creates an international affairs landscape even more complex than in the past. Our mission to educate the next generation of international leaders, to conduct research that advances important global issues, and to engage the policy community in the United States and around the world requires us to be aware of all that the world has to offer, in all its diversity. Preparing diverse students to be leaders for the world demands nothing less.”
Alyssa Ayres
Dean of the Elliott School of International Affairs



“In response to the Supreme Court decision on the use of race as a factor in admissions criteria, we continue to affirm the critical importance of representation in the health care workforce to optimize the quality of care we provide to our patients and communities. Our GW SMHS and GW Medical Faculty Associates commitments to eliminate health disparities and improve health outcomes are founded on our ability to expand the cohort of learners who are currently underrepresented in health and medicine. While we are disappointed with this decision, we remain steadfast in our mission and will work diligently to achieve the goal of equity in health care despite the new challenges presented by this ruling today.”
Barbara L. Bass
Dean of the School of Medicine and Health Sciences



“Today the Supreme Court has changed course and, in so doing, posed a daunting challenge to all educators and leaders who continue to believe in the moral, economic, and educational value of diversity and equity. By ruling in favor of plaintiffs in the two concurrent suits brought against Harvard and the University of North Carolina, the court has essentially prohibited the explicit inclusion of racial identity as an acceptable factor in selective admissions decisions. Leaving aside what will surely be a continuing debate on the moral and legal legitimacy of these rulings, our path must be clearly illuminated by the bright lights of social progress, and we must now reassert our commitment to fairness, justice and the pursuit of genuine equality of opportunity.”
Michael Feuer
Dean of the Graduate School of Education and Human Development



"The faculty and staff at GWSPH are committed to encouraging a diverse pool of candidates to apply to our school and, as in the past, to apply a holistic approach to admissions based, in part, on prior work, educational attainment and personal lived experiences relevant to public health. We will also continue to deliver a strong portfolio of programs rooted in efforts to address social and environmental determinants of health, including race and ethnicity, socioeconomic status, food insecurity and adverse environmental exposures that negatively impact health across the lifespan."
Lynn Goldman
Dean of the Milken Institute School of Public Health



“The nursing profession has been working for decades to diversify its workforce to reflect the communities it serves. This is important because health outcomes are better and patient satisfaction levels higher when they have access to providers who reflect their own race, ethnicity, gender identity and cultural background. This ruling has the potential to impact schools’ abilities to maintain diverse student populations, and it is troubling because we know that students from marginalized backgrounds often face barriers due to structural racism and other factors that make pursuing and completing an advanced degree more difficult.”
Jean E. Johnson
Interim Dean of the School of Nursing



“Despite this ruling, we are not dissuaded from our focus and our goals. We will continue to reaffirm the value of diversity, celebrate the contributions of every member of our community, and ensure that all voices are around the table as we innovate solutions for the grand challenges we face as a society—including and especially how we can create a better and more just world for all.”
John Lach
Dean of the School of Engineering and Applied Science



“Today’s decision significantly narrows the existing law on which law schools around the nation have based their admissions policies for nearly half a century. I therefore join the George Washington University President Mark Wrighton and President-elect Ellen Granberg in expressing disappointment in this decision. Of course, I also join their commitment to follow this new legal standard. Importantly, this decision is consistent with our commitment to ensuring that all of our student body and indeed our entire community remains vibrantly diverse in every respect.”
Dayna Bowen Matthew
Dean of GW Law



“The GW School of Business remains focused on advancing diversity, equity and inclusion in business education. We will strive to continue to attract a diverse body of students, faculty and staff and promote an experience that creates a sense of belonging for all. As a school that has received national recognition for the diversity of students in our academic programs, we have witnessed how it has benefited us and enriched our experiences in the GWSB community. We remain steadfast in ensuring that our learning environment is consistent with our core values in enhancing access to higher education and opportunities for our current and prospective students.”
Anuj Mehrotra
Dean of the School of Business



“Studies have shown that diverse teams make the most impactful contributions in research and scholarship. The ability to solve the world’s most pressing challenges depends on our ability to lift up and engage the full spectrum of perspectives and lived experiences. History is littered with examples of scientific outcomes that failed to account for a diverse population, including racial differences, because the relevant voices were not at the table. The U.S. Supreme Court’s disappointing decision must reinvigorate our commitment to equitable access and advancement in the scholarly enterprise.”
Pamela Norris
Vice Provost for Research



“Our motto is e pluribus unum, or ‘out of many, one.’ We believe that our diverse and supportive community of students, alumni, faculty, staff and strategic partners catalyzes innovation, empowering our community to drive meaningful change in their respective professions and industries. The GW College of Professional Studies remains steadfastly committed to ensuring that a diverse group of voices continue to be represented and included in our learning community.”
Liesl Riddle
Dean of the College of Professional Studies



“Many in the Columbian College community found the Supreme Court's university admissions decision to be disappointing. In its wake, I want to reaffirm our commitment to do all we can to cultivate and support a diverse, equitable and inclusive community for our students, faculty and staff. Diversity is essential to the liberal arts educational experience, We, as an institution, benefit from diverse perspectives, and CCAS has an unwavering commitment to providing our students with that experience. We will continue to work with our chairs and directors, as well as the CCAS Diversity Equity Council, to enhance curricular inclusivity, foster diversity and facilitate an engaged and welcoming learning environment.”
Paul Wahlbeck
Dean of the Columbian College of Arts and Sciences
 

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Everything below this text is a quoted post from a Lipstick Alley user, I went there to get the Black woman's perspective on the issue and I'm posting here for your thoughts and opinions.


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https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_l6gn.pdf



The word of the day is "traceable". The Court is arguing for lineage-based admissions preferences. I noticed back in November when Kavanaugh asked about descendants of slavery having valid admissions preferences. ADOS Fam was right!


From the concurring opinion (Clarence Thomas):



1. "Our precedents explicitly require that any attempt to compensate victims of past governmental discrimination must be concrete and traceable to the de jure segregated system, which must have some discrete and continuing discriminatory effect that warrants a present remedy" (page 79 on PDF). How about ADOS being a minority at these schools that our ancestors were forced to build? How about ADOS having some of the lowest enrollment rates in the country to date?

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2. “Members of the same race do not all share the exact same experiences and viewpoints; far from it. A black person from rural Alabama surely has different experiences than a black person from Manhattan or a black first-generation immigrant from Nigeria…” (Page 96 on PDF).

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Universities make distinctions between white people from different states, yet won't make distinctions on Black people from different continents.



3. Harvard and UNC have a history of racial discrimination. But, neither have even attempted to explain how their current racially discriminatory programs are even remotely traceable (there's that word again!) to their past discriminatory conduct. Nor could they; the current race-conscious admissions programs take no account of ancestry and, at least for Harvard, likely have the effect of discriminating against some of the very same ethnic groups against which Harvard previously discriminated…” (Page 79 on PDF)

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Didn't we already prove ADOS are a minority among Harvard (and every other Ivy)'s Black students, and have been for decades?

4. “All racial groups are heterogeneous, and blacks are no exception—encompassing northerners and southerners, rich and poor, and recent immigrants and descendants of slaves,” (Page 101 on PDF).

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WHELP! Y'all heard it from SCOTUS. There is a notable difference (notable enough to be used by the SC as an argument, mind you) between those who came to the USA willingly, and those whose ancestors were enslaved. Us having the same skin color can't erase that.

5.
The great failure of this country was slavery and its progeny. And, the tragic failure of this Court was its misinterpretation of the Reconstruction Amendments, as Justice Harlan predicted in Plessy. We should not repeat this mistake merely because we think, as our predecessors thought, that the present arrangements are superior to the Constitution” (Page 106 on PDF)

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Translation: "This thing was for Freedmen. IDRK what the fµck happened."



Grand Finale:

6. "Even today,
nothing prevents the States from according an admissions preference to identified victims of discrimination..." (Page 68 on PDF).

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So if you can prove your family's been discriminated against by the United States (Say, being a descendant of chattel slavery), that's a valid excuse to have an admissions preference. And he acknowledges that most people benefitting from this will be Black.



Fellow ADOS: I remember when other members of the diaspora claimed there was no point in us fighting for a distinction because "white people would never make a distinction". Welp! Thanks to Thomas and Kavanaugh, the Supreme Court made a distinction and based their case off of it. In their eyes, it's valid to give an admissions preference for ADOS because, after all, slavery "was an economic issue, not a race one"
 

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I just want to know, has any AA aka Authentic American, aka Real Knigga,

Benefitted from Affirmative action, I been on this earth pushing fifty years, and never had

affirmative action, do nothing affirmative for me...

any real american aka AMerican "African" had affirmative action do anything for them,

have they personally see affirmative action in any fuckin action??
 

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I just want to know, has any AA aka Authentic American, aka Real Knigga,

Benefitted from Affirmative action, I been on this earth pushing fifty years, and never had

affirmative action, do nothing affirmative for me...

any real american aka AMerican "African" had affirmative action do anything for them,

have they personally see affirmative action in any fuckin action??
You have to be a troll

everyone AA has benefitted from affirmative actiion wither directly or indirectly in someway or another.


please don’t be so stupid or naive.
 

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You have to be a troll

everyone AA has benefitted from affirmative actiion wither directly or indirectly in someway or another.


please don’t be so stupid or naive.

Show me how unstupid you are an provide just a few examples of this affirmative action helping

us as a collective... not just for recruiting agents...

Ill wait...
 

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I just want to know, has any AA aka Authentic American, aka Real Knigga,

Benefitted from Affirmative action, I been on this earth pushing fifty years, and never had

affirmative action, do nothing affirmative for me...

any real american aka AMerican "African" had affirmative action do anything for them,

have they personally see affirmative action in any fuckin action??

I'm no Affirmative Action expert, but based on my research, the black folks who benefited the most were those who sought entry into highly selective colleges or companies.

I had an ex get into Stanford with 1280 SATs, I think. That's far from terrible, but it's significantly below their standard.
 
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I'm no Affirmative Action expert, but based on my research, the black folks who benefited the most were those who sought entry into highly selective colleges or companies.

I had an ex get into Stanford with 1280 SATs, I think. That's far from terrible, but it's significantly below their standard.

Yea ok but as a real American aka "black" man... I aint never seen none of that shit.... sistars YES, they get

in those private companies because they are less of a threat, and also many get hired as gatekeepers,

but they are getting phased out by the gay agenda.... bruh this banning affirmative action is a blessing

in disguise bruh...

affirmative action helped way more others then it helped the people it was supposed,

ESPECIALLY THE BRUHS....

Whats going to happen is there are going to be programs now that specifically state

who they are for.. and thats going to piss off a lot of our plight parasites, like beckys

who benefitted more from Civil Rights and Affirmative action then anybody else...

but even the fags knocking them out the box... thats the next biggest group the benefitted more

that straight bruhs and sistars ever could....

The more I understand law and contracts, the less benefits I want from this occupying farce

known as our govt and judicial system..
 

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Yo, that shit about 1 in 5 Asians getting in doesn't go with Harvard's own internal study saying if they admitted based on GPA/test that their freshman class would be 40 percent Asian. We seen what happened in cali with colleges like UC Berkeley, but hey, we are to believe the numbers would drop. Also, they have the data showing admission to colleges based on GPA/Test and who needs what to get in and Asians need more than everyone else. Who doesn't know that shit by now? :confused:

Are we to believe that Asians are also the top earners in this country because of AA? That Asian women outearn white men because of AA? Come on, can some of these people cut the shit.

Folks need to be honest with their fucking arguments. When people start bullshitting about the obvious, it makes them look bad.

It's just best to stick with the equity angle(focusing on outcomes since Asians made equality a trainwreck) than to bullshit. Just cut to the chase and talk about getting outcomes that they want. Hell, the 'asians are all cheating' angle is better than some of the shit I seen people kicking the last week. :smh:
 

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I said top schools when we were clearly talking about California, but since you want to hop in the conversation lets get you in it too.


What makes an Asian women laying up with someone outside of her race when we know Asian rates at top schools in California went up after the state banned AA different from a Candice Owens? Hell even a Clarence Thomas?

If someone can show no loyalty to themselves what would stop them from hurting you?


Top schools in relation to california where it was outlawed 2 decades ago, but If you want to be in the conversation then answer the question.

What stops someone who knows those facts from hurting you as you lay in bed with them?

Stanford University is among the top schools and is located in CA. Stop embarrassing yourself.
 

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I for one am not against AA, but it's more a 'reap what you sow' situation going on here(old saying of playing checkers, not chess).

As you know, studies on admissions regarding race go back well over 60 years(maybe earlier, but lets start with the Ivy league shit closer to civil rights). The less than 1 million Asians in the country at that time weren't even considered. And, if we are talking brown skinned Indians, most Americans never even seen one when some of the studies started. :lol:

Well, Asians(including brown skin indians who seem to dominate medicine and probably treat all these cacs) came in and fucked up the soup. BIG TIME. Black community(well, the eggheads and shills) didn't see this coming. How could they? It's all about 'white supremacy". So whites would never, ever, ever, ever allow another group to straight up own them, right?

Well, Asians came in and did just that(well, cacs have been trying to suppress Asian numbers at colleges for a minute and they still lose). We got the math to prove it.

And here we are. I know we will disagree on this, but Asians who took advantage of the Civil Rights movement have basically killed AA. It's shameful how the community got played. Now goalposts have to be moved and even brown skin indians who had nothing to do with 'model minority' are basically considered white.

Now this ain't like Irish, Italian, east euros, Jews, in the early 20th, these are Indians who are brown and east Asians who look nothing like cacs. We keep being told these cacs afraid of 'brown' people, yet they imported all these brown Indians to play doctor and play with tech. And will get in front of congress and beg for more brown people. :smh:

Community has to start playing fucking chess. This shit is ridiculous.


My brother. This has nothing to do with our "community not playing chess". Folks misunderstand and underappreciate the sea change that took place in American life as a result of our fight for Civil Rights. Post Exclusion Act, Asians and immigrants of all kinds were HIGHLY selected for existing wealth and technical educational backgrounds. Moreover, they got favorable loans to open up shops in our neighborhoods, which they often didn't live in (see Nikki Haley's parents for example). Etc etc. But I bet you already know this stuff. My thing is, it's black people who go the Clarence Thomas route. The Thomas Sowell route. The Jesse Lee Peterson route. Etc. Why pretend that people won't lie to themselves and others for a shot at a marginally better position? It's human nature. To speak nothing of the the White man behind this latest attack on meager Civil Rights laws (Ed Blumenthal).

I believe that the economics and power dynamics that undergird modern American life are basically a Greek tragedy writ large. With a lot of serf-type-niggas making excuses for structures they don't understand at all. Most people have no idea how precarious all this shit is fr. You've got folks up in here clapping like seals for a totally reactionary agenda that would make them FOOD in whatever dystopia we're headed towards. Shit is retarded. Luckily, I have a healthy cynicism about humans in general and will gladly tell y'all when you're out to lunch lol.

Hope y'all fucking jackals enjoyed the long weekend :cool:
 

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I don't know man, I've been talking about this regressive agenda on here for years. As expected, Roe... gone. Affirmative Action, gone. Protected Status... gone. Obergefell and Brown vs Board prob next. Loving vs Virginia afterwards maybe, what y'all think?

The thing about reactionary politics is, it has an appetite more voracious than Stephen King's "The Mist". Y'all can pretend you're immune but... Nah.

Very sad within the context of rights being expanded deliberately over the last 60 years. :smh:
 

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My brother. This has nothing to do with our "community not playing chess". Folks misunderstand and underappreciate the sea change that took place in American life as a result of our fight for Civil Rights. Post Exclusion Act, Asians and immigrants of all kinds were HIGHLY selected for existing wealth and technical educational backgrounds. Moreover, they got favorable loans to open up shops in our neighborhoods, which they often didn't live in (see Nikki Haley's parents for example). Etc etc. But I bet you already know this stuff. My thing is, it's black people who go the Clarence Thomas route. The Thomas Sowell route. The Jesse Lee Peterson route. Etc. Why pretend that people won't lie to themselves and others for a shot at a marginally better position? It's human nature. To speak nothing of the the White man behind this latest attack on meager Civil Rights laws (Ed Blumenthal).

I believe that the economics and power dynamics that undergird modern American life are basically a Greek tragedy writ large. With a lot of serf-type-niggas making excuses for structures they don't understand at all. Most people have no idea how precarious all this shit is fr. You've got folks up in here clapping like seals for a totally reactionary agenda that would make them FOOD in whatever dystopia we're headed towards. Shit is retarded. Luckily, I have a healthy cynicism about humans in general and will gladly tell y'all when you're out to lunch lol.

Hope y'all fucking jackals enjoyed the long weekend :cool:
Well, yeah, SOME of us regularly talk about how the Civil Rights movement was used by others.

And yeah, SOME asians were selected for their existing wealth and tech background(see the H-1b shit I've been ranting and raving about for the last 2 decades). Hell, how many times I brought up those same cacs who virtue signalling were the same ones always begging congress for more h-1b? And then these Asians ain't hiring anyone from HBCUs.

But let's not act like a shitload of poor/lower Asians haven't came here and cleaned up. They have. Hell, we can follow the many documented tales of children of uneducated immigrants being the first to go to college.

In BOTH situations, it is Asians eating of the black civil rights movement. Unchecked.

And while it's easy to call out Thomas Sowell or whoever, we can also call out the shills on the other side who blindly followed white leftists to these fucking results. The same dumb ass eggheads who now have to move the goalposts from equality to equity because they didn't see the Asians coming in and kicking ass(and when the equity shit blows up will come with other shit in 2 decades). Or in the case of political shills, didn't even give a fuck as long as they got paid and/or positions of power.

Decades worth of AA pissed away. :smh:
 

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Well, yeah, SOME of us regularly talk about how the Civil Rights movement was used by others.

And yeah, SOME asians were selected for their existing wealth and tech background(see the H-1b shit I've been ranting and raving about for the last 2 decades). Hell, how many times I brought up those same cacs who virtue signalling were the same ones always begging congress for more h-1b? And then these Asians ain't hiring anyone from HBCUs.

But let's not act like a shitload of poor/lower Asians haven't came here and cleaned up. They have. Hell, we can follow the many documented tales of children of uneducated immigrants being the first to go to college.

In BOTH situations, it is Asians eating of the black civil rights movement. Unchecked.

And while it's easy to call out Thomas Sowell or whoever, we can also call out the shills on the other side who blindly followed white leftists to these fucking results. The same dumb ass eggheads who now have to move the goalposts from equality to equity because they didn't see the Asians coming in and kicking ass(and when the equity shit blows up will come with other shit in 2 decades). Or in the case of political shills, didn't even give a fuck as long as they got paid and/or positions of power.

Decades worth of AA pissed away. :smh:
Have a habit of needing the help from the everyday man and woman when they stuff gets messed up, one of the biggest issues I hate about alot of them. When it was a jack and jill boule and frat and everyone was partying they don't even look at ya, when they need help they cry out "racism" on twitter for support.

Same stuff Monique did when she wanted her fair share from Netflix, straight to the people. Where she at now?
 
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