It's Mueller time, bottom of the 9th, bases loaded, 2 out for the Dems .....
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Trump is gonna go off his leash when he steps out the white house to get on his helicopter …. and when he gets to his rally tonight …. he's gonna be singing "send them back" with the crowd ….. he will be totally out of control … 
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Mueller gave them facts,sound bites and ammunition to impeach him but Dems are so weak and pussified they cant do anything with all this. In order for them to impeach him they needed him to grab them by the hands and tell them in specific words he obstructed justice and needs to be impeached. They simply have no balls or guts to just do what is crystal clear which is Trump clearly obstructed justice dozens of times. If this was reversed and it was President Hiliary Clinton after todays hearing the Reps would be calling a press conference to announce impeachment.
All the talking heads on the MSNBC shows from now till midnight should be good as they break today down … especially Maddow
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Despite Congress literally voting an overwhelming NO IMPEACHMENT vote last week yall still thinking something happens to Teflon Don lol
Obama did give yall the "Audacity of Hope"
Obama did give yall the "Audacity of Hope"
Lawd let them find some explosdive shit ...
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I think it's likely at this point they won't find a "direct" link between Chump and Russia.
That's more likely because Russia invented the espionage game and they would have never left a paper trail.
But, circumstantially, given Trump ties with Russia, all his innuendos throughout the campaign and his ongoing love affair with Putin they are in cachots. Anyone that's being half-way reasonable beyond political affiliation and looking at the pattern would have to admit that. It's a lot more likely than just coincidence.
But, unfortunately, for a sitting president you'll need hard evidence to impeach. Doesn't seem that they have it and it's doubtful at this junction they will.
Now, what's not disputable and pretty much confirmed by Muller and anyone that paid attention to his written report is that Trump is beyond guilty as hell for Obstruction of Justice.
You can try and spin it anyway you want. But that fact is undeniable!
What happens next?
1) Trump serves out his term as President
2) If the Dems don't do their best to bloody him(impeachment hearings, a full assault etc) then he could "win" the presidency again.
2a) I use the term "win" very lightly here. Because without question it's a "win" full of outside power and every form of voter suppression imaginable backed by his "followers"
If Dems move with impeachment hearings then expect that push to start around early November into later Feburary-ish 2020. The reason is simple, you want to maximize whatever effect it creates and hopefully ride it into the campaigns and ultimately election day. Obviously it could back-fire. But i don't believe the Dems stand a great chance of winning with politics as usual campaigns.
This country can't afford another 4 year(and possibly beyond) of Chump. It's core won't survive that.
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Yeah, but he won't be.
The Democrats don't have the will to do anything against Donald Trump except complain.
this hearing will just cement Trump's power even further, making his words and actions more unhinged than ever before while the party masterminds behind him use their newfound strength to fulfill their alt-right wishlist.
This was just a big song and dance the fool some of our more gullible citizens into believing that American democracy isn't dead yet.
it's not a bombshell. He said this months ago.
Unless, they(Pelosi) are planning a massive power move(impeachment hearings) a few months before election night I don't see how they pull this off.
Politics as usual, talking about the "issues," is not going to garner enough votes to offset: 1) Guaranteed Russian influence and 2) Voter suppression like you've never seen before.
Dems need to understand that!
They need to attack on multiple fronts:
1) Stop bickering amongst each other. Whatever Pelosi has against AOC and others needs to be put on the side.
2) Nominate you're best candidate
3) Full fledge assualt on Trump and Co.
3a) If you have those capital police for Barr and others that said fuck the Subpoena we aren't coming then you better use them.
3b) Impeachment hearings are a must
Right now they look soft, indecisive, and not aligned. That's not going to encourage excitement and voter turnout. Trump and Co. has been shitting on their lawn since day 1 and they've been taking meticulous notes of each incident to turn over to "Trump" appointed judges. Really?
When are you going to kick him in the ass and grab him by the throat?
You don't necessarily have to win per se. But you sure as hell will garner my respect!
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So many Americans are stupid and don't give a fuck. They think deporting beaners and shooting black people will make their lives better. Shit is sad and stupid. Americans deserve the ass fucking that's coming.
You know what delivered one of the biggest landslides in election history less than a year ago?
Healthcare.
The public keeps telling Dems what they care about (healthcare) and Dems keep telling people what they SHOULD care about (Mueller).
That's a recipe for a loss.
When your main plan is to make people care about something they don't, you need a new plan.
You have an issue that:
1. The public cares the most about
2. Republicans are terrible at and have no answer for
3. Swept you into power in a historic election.
And for some reason, Democrats refuse, I mean fucking REFUSE to use it.
"You're going to care about Mueller if I have to shove it down your stupid fucking throats. And I'd rather lose than run on anything else." - Democrats 2019.
I'm still struggling with all the corruption that's been going on and 40% of the country don't care...and to watch the republicans defend this shit is mind blowing.....
Fox news always putting a positive spin on all this bullshit...
My own little brother is a Trump supporter...we go at it all the time.....
I just need to turn off the TV for awhile....
Fox news always putting a positive spin on all this bullshit...
My own little brother is a Trump supporter...we go at it all the time.....
I just need to turn off the TV for awhile....
If you believe for a sec that the *key* for a Dem victory is to unveiled the best healthcare plan possible then you haven't been paying attention.
Trump has openly gone after people's healthcare just to spite Obama without even having a viable substitution ready to go.
Yet, Where's the great outrage? Where are those people infront of the WH?, Infront of Margo Largo? Infront of Trump Tower? Saying hell no! Not my Healthcare coverage!
I think you're seriously underestimating healthcare as the TRUMP card that supersede all.
Under "normal" political climate I would completely agree with you here. But we are very far from anything of the sort....
This country has never had an openly brazen President of this sort that has opening spilt on his sworn oath and backed by a group representative that's willing to cover up and follow him to hell if need be.
The Dems are going to need more than Healthcare to win this upcoming election.
Hell, I would say there going to name Obama 2008 type of numbers just to have a chance to offset all the Russian and other interference guaranteed to occur.
I'm still struggling with all the corruption that's been going on and 40% of the country don't care...and to watch the republicans defend this shit is mind blowing.....
Fox news always putting a positive spin on all this bullshit...
My own little brother is a Trump supporter...we go at it all the time.....
I just need to turn off the TV for awhile....
Republican HAVE TO defend it.
If they cut bait much early then they could have at least held their heads up and said we made a mistake with Trump.
However, they doubled down and absolutely cannot cut bait now. Doing so would effectively end the GOP for years...absolutely NO ONE would trust them after actively backing one of the worst pieces of human beings on the planet.
They have to stay the course now! Clearly, they're party first before anything else including country, integrity, morals and religion etc etc etc.
There's no way you can say you love your country, believe in integrity, morals, and religions and completely back someone like Trump.
This debacle ends with pelosi and Trump sharing an apple pie at the next Congressional picnic while AOC petitions the parole board for early release.thats the real power move.
Those two might as well be on the same side already.
The outrage was they threw 40 republicans out of districts that voted Republican in 2016. Dems didn't need more than healthcare to win a landslide in 2018. Russians were in that election too. Trump went after their healthcare and they threw out Republicans. You've been paying attention to the political class and not the people.
Right now impeachment is at 21% approval. 21 fucking percent. And you think that's the thing that will win the election?
Turn off CNN and MSNBC for a couple weeks. The vast, vast majority of people don't watch or care about any of that. They care about if they can live. If their child can be treated if they get sick. Will they be denied because they have a pre-existing condition.
Instead of constantly telling people what they should care about, it's time to listen to what they do care about.
The liberal elite class all have good healthcare, so it's not really a concern for them. But to a lot of people in this country, it's a life and death issue and if your life was on the line you'd care a lot more about that than you would attempted obstruction of justice.
As with 99% of politicians they're all tied
Interesting premise! Based on what Trump and Co. are actively and publically doing to destroy ACA aren't they already advertising to vote Dem?
If healthcare is as important(which it is i'm not down playing it) then it would seem given the choices I should automatically vote Dem.
Guess what? That alone is not going to be enough. Further it is absolute to maximize on multiple fronts(running with healthcare as a central thesis and enforcing the rule of law).
Haven't read this thread yet but this was some pretty underwhelming testimony. Mueller sounded very lame/unconvincing and while there were a couple of huge insights they were delivered with all the wheezing gusto of a substitute teacher reading out attendance.... so no dramatic soundbites for the short attention span masses.
I'm finally inclined to agree with @Big Tex . The public doesn't give af about or understand this shit so it's time to focus on clear messaging/narrative around Democratic deliverables. My only concern is that barring impeachment there's a very real chance that this dude doesn't step down in 2020 if he loses. He understands that he's open to prosecution after his term and he's been floating this longer term thing for quite awhile. Dude is a fucking nutcase with a legit cult built around him. 2020 is gonna be a goddamn mess
I'm finally inclined to agree with @Big Tex . The public doesn't give af about or understand this shit so it's time to focus on clear messaging/narrative around Democratic deliverables. My only concern is that barring impeachment there's a very real chance that this dude doesn't step down in 2020 if he loses. He understands that he's open to prosecution after his term and he's been floating this longer term thing for quite awhile. Dude is a fucking nutcase with a legit cult built around him. 2020 is gonna be a goddamn mess
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Man, I don’t fuck with this dude. He was alright before I saw him yucking it up with Trump a few weeks ago. It was painful to watch. It was as if Trump showed him the video tapes of him at one of his resorts with hookers and he started to kiss ass. I ain't fucking with ol boy. They gave him the Lindsey Graham treatment and now this hack is kissing the ring. I expected much more from him. Fuck this douchebag.
You are right for normal times because the current republican position on healthcare is literally that certain poor people deserve to die because they "chose" to be poor and uninsured. However, I think the problem with running on healthcare when Trump is on the ticket is that he will literally just lie and dumbass cacs will believe it.
I think Barr's "summary" of the Mueller report is a preview of the bullshit that we should expect leading up to the election. This reminds me of 2014 when the Purple Heart recipient "hated" his country and the draft dodger was a true patriot.
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I don't think you need policy per se. When I say run on healthcare, I mean, run on "you have a right to have healthcare and they're trying to leave you and your children out in the cold." not, "here's my specific plan." Honestly people's eyes glaze over when you're trying to tell them a detailed plan. They just want to trust you to fix it.
I do think the electorate has changed. People aren't so much worried about the country and our values as they are their own circumstances. When Trump said he liked to grab women by the pussies, and that POWs weren't heroes because he likes people that weren't captured, in previous times, when people really cared about the county and our collective values, that would have been disqualifying.
But people look past his ignorance, his lies, his depravity, his racism, his criminality if they think they're going to get something out of it. So I agree to a point. We have to make the election about our values, but also, and maybe even moreso, put forth a vision where people can see their lives being better. Inclusion, health care, better wages.
The strictly values and democracy message is the one Dems have been trying to push for months and it's not getting traction. If Trump was smart about anything, it's that he realizes that people are looking out for themselves first of all, and he deals with people 100% transactionally.