Joe Biden is now POTUS

ugk

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You know what's fucking wild. The Constitution CLEARLY says that Congress can make or amend election any laws, but watch these devils use Trump appointed federal judges to strike down or weaken any new voting rights act that the Democrats would pass.

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

15th amendment

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
 

Soul On Ice

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the only other major party voted NO on it..

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina took issue with a proposed $5 billion fund for debt repayment that would benefit historically disenfranchised Black farmers in the $1.9 trillion coronavirus stimulus package, calling it “reparations.”

Graham, a Republican, criticized what he called the Democratic “wish list” in the stimulus deal in an interview with Fox News on Tuesday.

“Let me give you an example of something that really bothers me. In this bill, if you’re a farmer, your loan will be forgiven up to 120% of your loan ... if you’re socially disadvantaged, if you’re African American, some other minority. But if you’re [a] white person, if you’re a white woman, no forgiveness. That’s reparations. What does that have to do with COVID?” Graham asked.





but hey
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won't hear a word from @xfactor or @KingTaharqa or @Soul On Ice or @VAiz4hustlaz
So a handful of Black farmers are rightfully getting what's owed.
That's great. For them.

For you Bidets, this will be a talking point that you will now hang your dunce caps upon unfortunately.

Us: wheres the package that includes all FBA.
Yall: bUt HeZ baILEd outZ 20Fo FAHmerZ, WHat MoREZ Do YaLLz wantsZ

:smh:
 

geechiedan

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So a handful of Black farmers are rightfully getting what's owed.
That's great. For them.

For you Bidets, this will be a talking point that you will now hang your dunce caps upon unfortunately.

Us: wheres the package that includes all FBA.
Yall: bUt HeZ baILEd outZ 20Fo FAHmerZ, WHat MoREZ Do YaLLz wantsZ

:smh:
you guys said nothing would happen for anyone who voted for the democrats... you said people voted without demands and that both parties are the same...

again

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Supersav

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you guys said nothing would happen for anyone who voted for the democrats... you said people voted without demands and that both parties are the same...

again

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Of the $10.4 billion in the American Rescue Plan that will support agriculture, approximately half would go to disadvantaged farmers, according to estimates from the Farm Bureau, an industry organization. About a quarter of disadvantaged farmers are Black. The money would provide debt relief as well as grants, training, education and other forms of assistance aimed at acquiring land.
Of the 3.4 million farmers in the United States today, only 45,000 are Black, according to the USDA, down from 1 million a century ago


Its important to read the fine print. This bill isn't for "black farmers" Its for disenfranchised farmers and some happen to be black. This is akin to the code words like minority and people of color.

William Darity, a professor of public policy at Duke University who has studied reparations extensively, says that a $5 billion allocation is a “pittance,” at most 2 percent of the lost wealth, and that it does not constitute reparations.
“The best estimates I have seen of the economic loss to Black farmers due to USDA policies and overall processes of land appropriation by Whites has been between $250 and $350 billion. This is approximately 10 percent of total Black wealth in the U.S., about $2.5 trillion,” he said. “The notion that this approaches a program of reparations is nonsense. Reparations for Black American descendants of slavery must be designed to eliminate the gulf in Black and White wealth.”


Also

This is not the first time the federal government has attempted to compensate Black farmers for decades of marginalization and systematic discrimination. Known as Pigford I and II, two class-action lawsuits against the USDA paid out $2.3 billion to Black farmers who alleged racial discrimination in the department’s allocation of farm loans and assistance beginning in 1983.
AD


The Pigford settlements, however, did not make Black farmers whole, according to McCurty.
“Only 4.8 percent of Pigford I settlement went to debt relief. The vast majority of Black farmers were left with unconscionable debt and no legal recourse to save their land,” McCurty said



So yes the title sounds good but it looks like more of the same bullshit to me


Oh and lets not compare it to this


31 billion to Native Americans

@Soul On Ice @geechiedan
 

Politic Negro

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geechiedan

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Of the $10.4 billion in the American Rescue Plan that will support agriculture, approximately half would go to disadvantaged farmers, according to estimates from the Farm Bureau, an industry organization. About a quarter of disadvantaged farmers are Black. The money would provide debt relief as well as grants, training, education and other forms of assistance aimed at acquiring land.
Of the 3.4 million farmers in the United States today, only 45,000 are Black, according to the USDA, down from 1 million a century ago


Its important to read the fine print. This bill isn't for "black farmers" Its for disenfranchised farmers and some happen to be black. This is akin to the code words like minority and people of color.

William Darity, a professor of public policy at Duke University who has studied reparations extensively, says that a $5 billion allocation is a “pittance,” at most 2 percent of the lost wealth, and that it does not constitute reparations.
“The best estimates I have seen of the economic loss to Black farmers due to USDA policies and overall processes of land appropriation by Whites has been between $250 and $350 billion. This is approximately 10 percent of total Black wealth in the U.S., about $2.5 trillion,” he said. “The notion that this approaches a program of reparations is nonsense. Reparations for Black American descendants of slavery must be designed to eliminate the gulf in Black and White wealth.”


Also

This is not the first time the federal government has attempted to compensate Black farmers for decades of marginalization and systematic discrimination. Known as Pigford I and II, two class-action lawsuits against the USDA paid out $2.3 billion to Black farmers who alleged racial discrimination in the department’s allocation of farm loans and assistance beginning in 1983.
AD


The Pigford settlements, however, did not make Black farmers whole, according to McCurty.
“Only 4.8 percent of Pigford I settlement went to debt relief. The vast majority of Black farmers were left with unconscionable debt and no legal recourse to save their land,” McCurty said



So yes the title sounds good but it looks like more of the same bullshit to me


Oh and lets not compare it to this


31 billion to Native Americans

@Soul On Ice @geechiedan
1. black farmers benefit regardless you can't deny that.
2. good for native americans it was their fucking first

also thats not how the republicans are selling it to the public now is it?? your boy Lindsay Graham is pulling the same dog whistle to the racist attacks they always pull.

if you’re African American, some other minority. But if you’re [a] white person, if you’re a white woman, no forgiveness. That’s reparations. What does that have to do with COVID?” Graham asked.


is that reparation??? how is it reparations if it doesn't benefit just black farmers???
 
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Politic Negro

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Of the $10.4 billion in the American Rescue Plan that will support agriculture, approximately half would go to disadvantaged farmers, according to estimates from the Farm Bureau, an industry organization. About a quarter of disadvantaged farmers are Black. The money would provide debt relief as well as grants, training, education and other forms of assistance aimed at acquiring land.
Of the 3.4 million farmers in the United States today, only 45,000 are Black, according to the USDA, down from 1 million a century ago


Its important to read the fine print. This bill isn't for "black farmers" Its for disenfranchised farmers and some happen to be black. This is akin to the code words like minority and people of color.

William Darity, a professor of public policy at Duke University who has studied reparations extensively, says that a $5 billion allocation is a “pittance,” at most 2 percent of the lost wealth, and that it does not constitute reparations.
“The best estimates I have seen of the economic loss to Black farmers due to USDA policies and overall processes of land appropriation by Whites has been between $250 and $350 billion. This is approximately 10 percent of total Black wealth in the U.S., about $2.5 trillion,” he said. “The notion that this approaches a program of reparations is nonsense. Reparations for Black American descendants of slavery must be designed to eliminate the gulf in Black and White wealth.”


Also

This is not the first time the federal government has attempted to compensate Black farmers for decades of marginalization and systematic discrimination. Known as Pigford I and II, two class-action lawsuits against the USDA paid out $2.3 billion to Black farmers who alleged racial discrimination in the department’s allocation of farm loans and assistance beginning in 1983.
AD


The Pigford settlements, however, did not make Black farmers whole, according to McCurty.
“Only 4.8 percent of Pigford I settlement went to debt relief. The vast majority of Black farmers were left with unconscionable debt and no legal recourse to save their land,” McCurty said



So yes the title sounds good but it looks like more of the same bullshit to me


Oh and lets not compare it to this


31 billion to Native Americans

@Soul On Ice @geechiedan
You know one group I don't mind receiving 31 Bil in aid is Native Americans. As for this relief in the act, I'll let this guy speak for himself.

 

Supersav

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1. black farmers benefit regardless you can't deny that.
2. good for native americans it was their fucking first
1) we don't know if they will benefit yet..it remains to be seen.

2) everybody gets something but us. How many times have the native americans been taken care of?
 

geechiedan

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1) we don't know if they will benefit yet..it remains to be seen.
anything for anyone else you act like its a done deal
:yes:
:yes:
....anything for black people you say it remains to be seen..c'mon dude.
:hmm:
:hmm:


2) everybody gets something but us. How many times have the native americans been taken care of?
I dunno...how many times did the US take their land make a promise break it and take more land??
 

Shaka54

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Camille, no matter where it is located you will still need to walk into the DMV. So while you are there fill out the paper to vote. If you are in school go get some version of state ID. If you are 96 yrs old and now wanna vote for the first time ever, that is just sad. What have you been doing for 96 years with no ID. This is 2021, you can not walk anywhere in America without some kinda ID card unless you are under 16. For those that ask why did they not have ID laws in the 1920's Because there were no picture ID's till the 1980's. Rewatch The Shawshank Redemption. He was able to get all the ID he needed through the mail. No pictures needed back then
They have made the simple rules clear as day, Turn 16 get a picture ID. You wanna Vote get a Picture ID, register and Vote early.
It is to simple, nothing hard about it. Whining about it is weak
So it's never JUST about the policy, it's how it is being implemented.
The way around how it is being implemented is easy, go get a picture ID at the DMV no matter where it is. Like the boy scouts said "Be Prepared"
If you want to vote then you will get that ID and go vote, If something as common as a picture ID is holding you back and you wait till the last day, then you do not want to vote anyway. If you are 92 and wait till the last day and are not prepared, you really did not want to vote.
You can lead them through every step of the way and they still will not vote, No matter how easy you make it. Voting happens every Two years, so just go do it.
:colin::colin::colin:

On the surface, all of this sounds and seems simple. I used to say this same thing as early as 2000.
If it IS so easy for any and everybody, why are they putting such an emphasis on it every election season?

I'm originally from a very small town in TN. We moved to Milwaukee in '79. When I was 13 or 14, I was given a wallet. The only items that I kept in it were my SS Card and a picture of my father in uniform during the Korean war. I lost that wallet, as an active, outdoorsy youth...playing "Smear the Queer," bike riding, hiking in the woods, riding sheets of cardboard down grassy hills like sleds...all that shit.

Now that I think about it, I have two SSNs, one from TN...never been used for anything, and one from WI that I've used all my adult life.
I can only imagine if some Right-winger found that out and used it to claim voter fraud on my part. I'm the only one of my siblings with a 397-399

Anyway, people in small rural towns, especially the poorest, aren't able to just roll out to the County Seat and get an ID. Think about how they are NOW closing rural DMVs and fluctuating the hours and you work on a farm from sun up to sundown.

When I joined the Army, I had a nice little decorative Hospital Certificate of Birth. They didn't accept that and I had to send back to Nashville to get an official copy. It turns out that my childhood nickname is on my TN birth certificate and the name on everything since I've been to school has the name that I actually go by.

That's two different names and two SSNs to juggle. This kind of shit is not as uncommon for a lot of people in a lot of families from the South.

Now, a 96-year-old would've been born in the 20s. By 1980, they're around 56...my current age. As you stated, that paper ID and SS card is all they've needed to get by for damn near six decades. They're set in their ways and who's carding an old head pre-9-11? As far as never voting, we STILL only have half the population who participates in the political process. Things occurred to motivate them to vote for the first time. :dunno:

Think of the difficulty the victims of Katrina had to go through to replace documents. Think of those wildfires on the West coast that burned down whole towns, F5 tornadoes that have leveled communities, house fires where all of your shit is incinerated, etc.

I'm not certain of what it takes today, but back in the day, you had to produce a birth certificate to get a replacement SS card. You needed your SS card to get your DL, and so on. For a lot of people, it was a circular battle of bureaucracy and that was THEN.

This shit is a concerted effort to suppress the vote, plain and simple, and it ain't just about ID cards either. Scroll back up to @Maxxam post and here's one that @Casca dropped in another thread.

 

Supersav

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anything for anyone else you act like its a done deal
:yes:
:yes:
....anything for black people you say it remains to be seen..c'mon dude.
:hmm:
:hmm:



I dunno...how many times did the US take their land make a promise break it and take more land??
Well obviously because in the article it states how the USDA has a history of not paying when they are supposed to
 

Camille

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Camille, no matter where it is located you will still need to walk into the DMV. So while you are there fill out the paper to vote. If you are in school go get some version of state ID. If you are 96 yrs old and now wanna vote for the first time ever, that is just sad. What have you been doing for 96 years with no ID. This is 2021, you can not walk anywhere in America without some kinda ID card unless you are under 16. For those that ask why did they not have ID laws in the 1920's Because there were no picture ID's till the 1980's. Rewatch The Shawshank Redemption. He was able to get all the ID he needed through the mail. No pictures needed back then
They have made the simple rules clear as day, Turn 16 get a picture ID. You wanna Vote get a Picture ID, register and Vote early.
It is to simple, nothing hard about it. Whining about it is weak
So it's never JUST about the policy, it's how it is being implemented.
The way around how it is being implemented is easy, go get a picture ID at the DMV no matter where it is. Like the boy scouts said "Be Prepared"
If you want to vote then you will get that ID and go vote, If something as common as a picture ID is holding you back and you wait till the last day, then you do not want to vote anyway. If you are 92 and wait till the last day and are not prepared, you really did not want to vote.
You can lead them through every step of the way and they still will not vote, No matter how easy you make it. Voting happens every Two years, so just go do it.


Whether or not they were a first time voter wasn't the issue. As I posted originally, a former speaker of the house could not get a Tx voter ID without a lot of drama. He was initially denied one. He wasn't a first time voter.


And so what if they finally see the importance of voting and want to do it for the first time. Obama inspired a lot of black people to take an interest in politics for the first time. As did Trump, since he was so horrible and people didn't want to see him get a second term. They should be penalized for this?

Some people couldn't get an ID because they were born at home and didn't have a hospital birth certificate and various other reasons. My point is you are using the talking points the GOP uses the gaslight folks into thinking this is all just a regular security procedure, and it isn't. They are intentionally making hard to get the ID's that they are requiring. One state was supposed to make them free, but they still were jerking people around with hours and other suppression tactics requiring them to make 5 and 6 trips to get the ID.


 

Supersav

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the only other major party voted NO on it..

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina took issue with a proposed $5 billion fund for debt repayment that would benefit historically disenfranchised Black farmers in the $1.9 trillion coronavirus stimulus package, calling it “reparations.”

Graham, a Republican, criticized what he called the Democratic “wish list” in the stimulus deal in an interview with Fox News on Tuesday.

“Let me give you an example of something that really bothers me. In this bill, if you’re a farmer, your loan will be forgiven up to 120% of your loan ... if you’re socially disadvantaged, if you’re African American, some other minority. But if you’re [a] white person, if you’re a white woman, no forgiveness. That’s reparations. What does that have to do with COVID?” Graham asked.





but hey
the-black-vote-gop-hates-black-people-election-property-of-34462861.png


won't hear a word from @xfactor or @KingTaharqa or @Soul On Ice or @VAiz4hustlaz
I already responded for them
 

Soul On Ice

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you guys said nothing would happen for anyone who voted for the democrats... you said people voted without demands and that both parties are the same...

again

66af521f-3529-41b6-bb00-14908e76fa7c_1920x1080.jpg
The same Democrat party that voted no against raising the federal minimum wage that would raise like 15m Black people out of abject poverty?
The same Democrat party that is going to allocate as $750m to police department for "training".

See where I'm going with this right?
Stop being happy with a few crumbs homie. Look at the overall picture.
Damn.
 

Supersav

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BGOL Investor
The same Democrat party that voted no against raising the federal minimum wage that would raise like 15m Black people out of abject poverty?
The same Democrat party that is going to allocate as $750m to police department for "training".

See where I'm going with this right?
Stop being happy with a few crumbs homie. Look at the overall picture.
Damn.
If they could see the overall picture they wouldn't be arguing over democrat vs republican as if both aren't apart of the same racist ass system
 

BigDaddyBuk

still not dizzy.
Platinum Member
Personally I don't see the big deal with showing ID. Too many excuses about why we don't have this or that. Why we can't do this and that. These folks don't have to do hard shit to create roadblocks. Simple shit like not having an ID is a enough to suppress the vote. That shouldn't be the case.
Dude. They reject most ids. You have to have an id with a decal, blood infused and a pic of Donald Trump on it.
 

Soul On Ice

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Of the $10.4 billion in the American Rescue Plan that will support agriculture, approximately half would go to disadvantaged farmers, according to estimates from the Farm Bureau, an industry organization. About a quarter of disadvantaged farmers are Black. The money would provide debt relief as well as grants, training, education and other forms of assistance aimed at acquiring land.
Of the 3.4 million farmers in the United States today, only 45,000 are Black, according to the USDA, down from 1 million a century ago


Its important to read the fine print. This bill isn't for "black farmers" Its for disenfranchised farmers and some happen to be black. This is akin to the code words like minority and people of color.

William Darity, a professor of public policy at Duke University who has studied reparations extensively, says that a $5 billion allocation is a “pittance,” at most 2 percent of the lost wealth, and that it does not constitute reparations.
“The best estimates I have seen of the economic loss to Black farmers due to USDA policies and overall processes of land appropriation by Whites has been between $250 and $350 billion. This is approximately 10 percent of total Black wealth in the U.S., about $2.5 trillion,” he said. “The notion that this approaches a program of reparations is nonsense. Reparations for Black American descendants of slavery must be designed to eliminate the gulf in Black and White wealth.”


Also

This is not the first time the federal government has attempted to compensate Black farmers for decades of marginalization and systematic discrimination. Known as Pigford I and II, two class-action lawsuits against the USDA paid out $2.3 billion to Black farmers who alleged racial discrimination in the department’s allocation of farm loans and assistance beginning in 1983.
AD


The Pigford settlements, however, did not make Black farmers whole, according to McCurty.
“Only 4.8 percent of Pigford I settlement went to debt relief. The vast majority of Black farmers were left with unconscionable debt and no legal recourse to save their land,” McCurty said



So yes the title sounds good but it looks like more of the same bullshit to me


Oh and lets not compare it to this


31 billion to Native Americans

@Soul On Ice @geechiedan
Yeah I peeped that homie. Unlike @geechiedan
I actually read what he posted and not just a headline lol.
So desperate for a "gotcha" they dont even verify THEIR links
:clown
 

geechiedan

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BGOL Investor
The same Democrat party that voted no against raising the federal minimum wage that would raise like 15m Black people out of abject poverty?
The same Democrat party that is going to allocate as $750m to police department for "training".

See where I'm going with this right?
Stop being happy with a few crumbs homie. Look at the overall picture.
Damn.
the big picture is I see only ONE party even wrestling with those issues... you show me another party that has members fighting and arguing in camp over the issues you stated or lockstep in favor of it and I'll vote for them instead....

now show me....I'll wait :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
 

BigDaddyBuk

still not dizzy.
Platinum Member
The same Democrat party that voted no against raising the federal minimum wage that would raise like 15m Black people out of abject poverty?
The same Democrat party that is going to allocate as $750m to police department for "training".

See where I'm going with this right?
Stop being happy with a few crumbs homie. Look at the overall picture.
Damn.
Shut up. The minimum wage will be taken up again.

Black folks got tangibles. The GOP aint did shit for Black folks in 50 years.
 
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