Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......
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Ok my man.
Ryan Coogler Is in the way to being one of the most in demand directors.
Folks are saying this move should even get Oscar nominations. It' being pegged as the best action film of all.time...
We all know what little power Spielberg for from making successive hits, same for Synger, and Aptow...
Like I said, success breeds power, there have been GREAT black movies, but great and successful are 2 different things...
This movie is on pace to do both.
That's awesome for Ryan Coogler. I'm way happy for him. Does nothing 4 the community though.
I don't think your getting that we have always been successful. That has never mattered before. It's our successes that makes the dominant society afraid in the first place.
There have been successful black movies decades ago, none have changed our community cause THERE JUST MOVIES. White people everywhere aren't gonna be like;
"Oh shit, that movie Black Panther was hot and successful. I guess it's time to let the African Americans and people of African descent everywhere advance in life and make $$$"
Jesus...
100 plus years of all media shoving slaves and shoeless pimps, gagsters, drug addicts etc. Had ZERO impact on the community either.
You are reaching hard to defend your point.
If feel like control of imagery, narrative doesn' matter... then we no longer need to go back and forth.
We can debate If this helps black people as a whole, if you like. But at some point, you have to open your mind.
People don't like what you are saying, but I don't really disagree with it. As far as society at large changing how they treat us, no you aren't going to see a big difference. There may even be a backlash when lil white kids are running around wanting to be Black Panther for Halloween.
I disagree however, that it is just a movie. Representation matters. Seeing ourselves on the big screen matter. Seeing black people portrayed as strong, noble, leaders, kings, heroic, good and not criminals matter. I feel asleep watching HBO last night and I woke up to little kids talking about being president. Kids of various racial back grounds, and both genders. I actually teared up watching it. Every barrier broken and boundary crossed helps.
I think the Wonder Woman movie, seeing a woman tell men in power they were wrong and taking on a male dominated world to do the right thing and not the easy thing is contributing to huge influx of women candidates we have running, as much as the backlash against Trump and disappointment over Hillary.
Having an ideal to aspire to is not a bad thing. Just be on guard for the forces that will try to come against the minds and spirits of our children, trying to tell them BP doesn't matter because it is a fictional place and that they can't be rulers or xyz because they are black.
I'm goin' to see da shit multiple times but I ain't finna tell folks what they need to or should do with their own money. It ain't my place. Folks gon' pay if they wanna see it. If not, then they won't. And if folks don't, I won't take it as an indictment on their blackness. Simple shit.
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You're right. Ultimately, people are going to do what they want to with their money.I'm goin' to see da shit multiple times but I ain't finna tell folks what they need to or should do with their own money. It ain't my places. Folks gon' pay if they wanna see it. If not, then they won't. And if folks don't, I won't take it as an indictment on their blackness. Simple shit.
There are better things to support, but there are also much worse things. Its not n indictment on their blackness at all.
My point was that its never a bad thing for black people to support black progress.
The Jewish community does this and they are a lot stronger as a community (in general) than we are. It doesn't hurt to take a page out of someone else's book when the strategy works. We also have less disposable income on the whole, so there's that.
Do you want to support bootleggers of this movie?
Just ashkin, breh
Just so you know, there are some white devils... That is REALLY hatin on this black progressive movie and trend. They have already told me - I mean my spies and sources that more shlave movies are coming out to counter this trend, and more coon and possum tv programming is definitely on its way. They have already offered the lead character of this black bastard movie over $200,000 dollars to make a coon and sellout buck dancin movie about an 18th century jesse lee peterson type character that coons, buckdances and shines his teef for white fokes, just so he can beg and then run after and fetch butter biscits when the white lucifers throws them far into the field.
I know some former friends who grew up and turned out to be white supremacists who will give you for FREE a legit and really good showing copy.
I personally support the movie because I like you people, I mean MY people.
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This is a really good (long) read.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/12/...-black-america.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
This part reminded me of your post:
Can films like these significantly change things for black people in America? The expectations around “Black Panther” remind me of the way I heard the elders in my family talking about the mini-series “Roots,” which aired on ABC in 1977. A multigenerational drama based on the best-selling book in which Alex Haley traced his own family history, “Roots” told the story of an African slave kidnapped and brought to America, and traced his progeny through over 100 years of American history. It was an attempt to claim for us a home, because to be black in America is to be both with and without one: You are told that you must honor this land, that to refuse this is tantamount to hatred — but you are also told that you do not belong here, that you are a burden, an animal, a slave. Haley, through research and narrative and a fair bit of invention, was doing precisely what Afrofuturism does: imagining our blackness as a thing with meaning and with lineage, with value and place.
“The climate was very different in 1977,” the actor LeVar Burton recalled to me recently. Burton was just 19 when he landed an audition, his first ever, for the lead role of young Kunta Kinte in the mini-series. “We had been through the civil rights movement, and there were visible changes as a result, like there was no more Jim Crow,” he told me. “We felt that there were advancements that had been made, so the conversation had really sort of fallen off the table.” The series, he said, was poised to reignite that conversation. “The story had never been told before from the point of view of the Africans. America, both black and white, was getting an emotional education about the costs of slavery to our common American psyche.”
To say that “Roots” held the attention of a nation for its eight-consecutive-night run in January 1977 would be an understatement. Its final episode was viewed by 51.1 percent of all American homes with televisions, a kind of reach that seemed sure to bring about some change in opportunities, some new standing in American culture. “The expectation,” Burton says, “was that this was going to lead to all kinds of positive portrayals of black people on the screen both big and small, and it just didn’t happen. It didn’t go down that way, and it’s taken years.”
Oh shit @Camille with the assist! Thanx.
I'm truly not tryna piss on nobodies parade. I'm all aboard Black Panther hype train. I'm going to support it. And if it's good, if I like it, I'll go back to see it again like I would most films. I watched Luke cage 2wice, The Wire 3x, The Get Down 1&2 twice, Blade 1&2 (own the DVD's) gets revisited every couple years, School Daze 4x a year (have bought it 5x on DVD), the list goes on for me. Not cause I think if I do shit will get better for me or my people. I watch them because I don't like seeing white people when I don't have to, and my choice of entertainment generally represents that. And those are damned good watches.
The following are a list of black shows that were/are lit and have black casts, most of which broke some kind of barrier or was hella meaningful in the field of TV/Movies:
Martin
Cosby Show
Everybody Hates Chris
Family Matters
Dear White People (movie over the show)
Insecure
All That (The first 2 seasons was black fuck that)
A Different World
Chewing Gum
Friday
Think Like a Man 1&2
In Living Color
Def Comedy Jam
Showtime at the Apollo
Chapelle Show
Roc
The Corner
50 years a Slave
Eddie Murphy's Delirious
The Boondocks
Atlanta
Black Dynamite
I'm truly not tryna piss on nobodies parade. I'm all aboard Black Panther hype train. I'm going to support it. And if it's good, if I like it, I'll go back to see it again like I would most films. I watched Luke cage 2wice, The Wire 3x, The Get Down 1&2 twice, Blade 1&2 (own the DVD's) gets revisited every couple years, School Daze 4x a year (have bought it 5x on DVD), the list goes on for me. Not cause I think if I do shit will get better for me or my people. I watch them because I don't like seeing white people when I don't have to, and my choice of entertainment generally represents that. And those are damned good watches.
The following are a list of black shows that were/are lit and have black casts, most of which broke some kind of barrier or was hella meaningful in the field of TV/Movies:
Martin
Cosby Show
Everybody Hates Chris
Family Matters
Dear White People (movie over the show)
Insecure
All That (The first 2 seasons was black fuck that)
A Different World
Chewing Gum
Friday
Think Like a Man 1&2
In Living Color
Def Comedy Jam
Showtime at the Apollo
Chapelle Show
Roc
The Corner
50 years a Slave
Eddie Murphy's Delirious
The Boondocks
Atlanta
Black Dynamite
bully for you sanctimonious prick
Thats a pretty dumb argument.
I just finish watching the copy I got from my homie from Amsterdam and I must say I really enjoyed the film from beginning to end. I'm gonna watch it again later on tonight with my girlfriend.
I give it a 10/10
I liked it all the way through.
I got a feeling it will be a Part 2 cause it left me wishing for more at the end.
what are YOUR thoughts on the enthusiasm of the Black community behind this film?
Did the Cosby show make things better for black people?
Id say so. Not just because of having an image is an actual black family thay was not poor and dysfunctional
But for the doors that opened due to its success...
Also again bill Cosby inspired folks to go to school at a higher rate, which does impact the people.at large.
No Cosby, no different world... no different world no Martin etc
No it didn't turn thanks of racism, but it did give black people a positive image to look up to.
If that imagery doesn't matter, I need you to explain why.
Honestly living on the west coast I had never heard of HBCU outside of Morehouse. Martin rocking them sweaters inspired me to look into the schools and learn about them.
If nothing else... think of how many black stars Exec Produced their own shows and had creative control.
That's power and it changes the landscape for everyone that follows.
Id say so. Not just because of having an image is an actual black family thay was not poor and dysfunctional
But for the doors that opened due to its success...
Also again bill Cosby inspired folks to go to school at a higher rate, which does impact the people.at large.
No Cosby, no different world... no different world no Martin etc
No it didn't turn thanks of racism, but it did give black people a positive image to look up to.
If that imagery doesn't matter, I need you to explain why.
Honestly living on the west coast I had never heard of HBCU outside of Morehouse. Martin rocking them sweaters inspired me to look into the schools and learn about them.
If nothing else... think of how many black stars Exec Produced their own shows and had creative control.
That's power and it changes the landscape for everyone that follows.
I love it. I don't patronize movie theaters, but when it hits DVD I'll buy it and the sound track. I want to own the history. As I said in the post before the one you quoted, representation matters, and this is a very important film, imo.
Also, some of the articles I'm seeing online and the reviews are so good, I think I'm going to have to print some of them out.
We can always support black made and controlled movies like the ones Tyler Perry makes. You probably would not pay to watch his stuff either. Yet and still I will take a positive black superhero created by Marvel over this black created chitlin circuit granny tranny anyday. More T'Challa, less Madea.
Muffuckaz should have went and seen birth of a Nation..that was an important movie..brah
but how do feel about Black people who want to NOT see this movie because all the money is going to white folks?
http://www.bgol.us/forum/threads/pa...ed-into-black-community.990447/#post-18710384
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Gucci Prada, Benzs and Bentley’s go to white folks. 95% the shit you buy go to white folks.
So buy the tickets and go support the movie. Black people love to complain on why they don’t show blacks in a positive light. If you support it maybe you will get more positive movies instead of negative bullshit
i will not be financially supporting either.
hollywood knows how to play with you kats heart strings.
remind me which studio,distributor etc... is making this movie again, i forgot?
Isreal says thank you.
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