DC animation has always been great! Marvel has been way better with theirs though. This what if you as great 1st 2 seasons. 3rd season so far is uhhhh…
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That’s not what it is at all. It’s just about them making better stories period! Anytime you guys feel like its not up to par then you guys say crazy shit lol! And when the movies are good it’s dead silence…
If Marvel makes another movie I'll gladly admit it.
X Men 97 was AMAZING. It was the best content they've made in years and I completely loved it. And you know what it didn't have? A bunch of dumb jokes all through it.
The MCU isn’t dead! There’s was nothing comical about Falcon and Winter Soldier, Moon Knight, Wanda Vision, Hawkeye, Echo, Loki, Agatha, What if, X-men 97; so just because she hulk was that just one out of what 10 ain’t comedy; yes ant man 3 and Thor 4 was too much; but Guardians was very very solid and wasn’t no where near as comedy driven as the first 2. Doctor Strange 3 and Spidey 3 was very serious tone movies! Again marvel doesn’t have a comedy issue. It had a story telling issue; if and when that is cleared, then everything will be ok….
Bro there were one liners all through all of those shows and movies. Agatha had a damn comedic musical number in Wanda Vision.
Both seasons of Loki were filled attempts at humor. Moon Knight spent over half of that show showing Steven bungling around trying to be funny. Moon Knight was barely in it. Doctor Strange joked through his entire movie. Spidey, I give a pass, because that's actually his character.
Dude you can’t be serious lol. Yes there are one liners in dam near every movie! That’s doesn’t mean it’s a comedy nor is it leaning towards comedy! If you think strange 3, for example, was trying to be funny or leaning towards comedy because of one liners then something is wrong bro. You need to stop it lol…
You should watch the videos I posted. They show how Marvel undermines any narrative or emotional connection in their movies with dumb one liners and how it makes them hard to watch.
If the heroes are joking through everything, then obviously they don't feel they're in any danger, so I'm not going to feel like they're in danger. And that means I really don't have any stake in what's happening. It just becomes a series of jokes and action scenes.
But again the heroes ain’t joking thru everything!! Guardians 3 not joking, spidey cracks wise jokes because that’s who spidey is!!! Strange 3 not joking! You think they were joking in moon knight or Loki ? lol come on dude stop it!! Infinity wars and end game not joking. All of the cap series no joking! Hell even secret invasion wasn’t joking it just sucked!! Thor ragnorac was full of jokes and it was hilarious and one of the best marvel studios movies!! It ain’t about the jokes and or comedy! It’s about the stories and how they are presented and delivered!! That’s it.
@Big Tex got me out here sounding like @playahaitian; your next post fam im about to say bookmarked....
Before you respond, watch this video.
At least a couple minutes of it. It's nothing but constant jokes throughout Strange 3.
Here is some from Loki
Moon knight:
Infinity war:
End game:
Now you'll just ignore all these and claim they don't exist. But they do. And it's not just me.
the humor in the Marvel movies makes me want to shoot myself directly in the face
"It is I, the Quipster!"
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Why Does The MCU Keep Doing These Things? - Looper
The MCU marches to the sound of its own drum, but some of its recurring beats are uncomfortably off. Let's take a look at some of the MCU's worst habits.
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"How would you feel if the most pivotal scene in your favorite movie or series ruined its dramatic tension with a ... "Yo mama" joke? If you're an MCU fan, this is all too familiar terrain. MCU projects seem allergic to drama, even when their plots desperately call for it.
By far, the worst offender is "Thor: Love and Thunder." Listing all the times Taika Waititi's film introduces a moving scene to then immediately make light of it would require describing the movie's entire plot — barring Gorr's (Christian Bale) scenes. Still, "Love and Thunder" wears its action-comedy status proudly on its sleeve. The same can't be said for several MCU projects that offset gripping scenes with weirdly-timed comedy.
In "Iron Man 3," Pepper Potts (Gwyneth Paltrow) falls to her apparent death and Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) has to fight for dear life against the murderous Aldrich Killian (Guy Pearce); however, the drama devolves into a joke when the Mark 42 armor falls to pieces on the battlefield. "Avengers: Age of Ultron" reveals Ultron's (James Spader) debut with a villainous monologue, but the world-ending and information-siphoning A.I. stumbles as he forgets the word for children. Ego (Kurt Russell) transforms into David Hasselhoff during the dramatic reveal that he's responsible for killing Star-Lord's (Chris Pratt) mother. Korg (Waititi) delivers wacky commentary as the people of Asgard watch Surtur (Clancy Brown) destroy their homeland in "Thor: Ragnarok."
When you know to look for this trope, it's difficult to watch any dramatic MCU scene without subconsciously expecting it to devolve into an "I Think You Should Leave with Tim Robinson" sketch."
yea jokes are fine as long as it is not an overload of jokes. I think marvel went over load on the jokes, Marvel focused more on the jokes than story telling. Marvel litterally wasted Mordo in antman smdh. Marvel just gotta get back to the balance of seriousiness and humor.
Let's see what Kevin Feige says about Marvel humor. You think he knows what are in the movies? I mean, he just makes them.
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"The two continue, with Feige highlighting specifically that there is absolutely a trick to making these Marvel Studios movies work. He doesn’t shy away from the frequent criticisms that Marvel movies rely “too much” on their formula of humor, and instead openly talks about embracing it, while explaining why it works. He says that the key is about getting the audience to “open up” — once they do so with laughter, that’s when you can “sneak them in with the emotion” — which is exactly what makes up that “Marvel formula”:
Feige then states that “humor is a big part of it” — because “that’s what we want to go see in theaters”.
So Feige says Marvel tries to make you laugh FIRST then tries to sneak in some emotion.
Marvel President Feige Admits to “Sneaking In” Marvel Formula to Audiences
The Marvel Studios machine has often been called formulaic, and Kevin Feige is now explaining their trick to get audiences to "open up".
"The two continue, with Feige highlighting specifically that there is absolutely a trick to making these Marvel Studios movies work. He doesn’t shy away from the frequent criticisms that Marvel movies rely “too much” on their formula of humor, and instead openly talks about embracing it, while explaining why it works. He says that the key is about getting the audience to “open up” — once they do so with laughter, that’s when you can “sneak them in with the emotion” — which is exactly what makes up that “Marvel formula”:
Feige then states that “humor is a big part of it” — because “that’s what we want to go see in theaters”.
So Feige says Marvel tries to make you laugh FIRST then tries to sneak in some emotion.
Before you respond, watch this video.
At least a couple minutes of it. It's nothing but constant jokes throughout Strange 3.
Here is some from Loki
Moon knight:
Infinity war:
End game:
Now you'll just ignore all these and claim they don't exist. But they do. And it's not just me.
the humor in the Marvel movies makes me want to shoot myself directly in the face
"It is I, the Quipster!"
Why Does The MCU Keep Doing These Things? - Looper
The MCU marches to the sound of its own drum, but some of its recurring beats are uncomfortably off. Let's take a look at some of the MCU's worst habits.
"How would you feel if the most pivotal scene in your favorite movie or series ruined its dramatic tension with a ... "Yo mama" joke? If you're an MCU fan, this is all too familiar terrain. MCU projects seem allergic to drama, even when their plots desperately call for it.
By far, the worst offender is "Thor: Love and Thunder." Listing all the times Taika Waititi's film introduces a moving scene to then immediately make light of it would require describing the movie's entire plot — barring Gorr's (Christian Bale) scenes. Still, "Love and Thunder" wears its action-comedy status proudly on its sleeve. The same can't be said for several MCU projects that offset gripping scenes with weirdly-timed comedy.
In "Iron Man 3," Pepper Potts (Gwyneth Paltrow) falls to her apparent death and Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) has to fight for dear life against the murderous Aldrich Killian (Guy Pearce); however, the drama devolves into a joke when the Mark 42 armor falls to pieces on the battlefield. "Avengers: Age of Ultron" reveals Ultron's (James Spader) debut with a villainous monologue, but the world-ending and information-siphoning A.I. stumbles as he forgets the word for children. Ego (Kurt Russell) transforms into David Hasselhoff during the dramatic reveal that he's responsible for killing Star-Lord's (Chris Pratt) mother. Korg (Waititi) delivers wacky commentary as the people of Asgard watch Surtur (Clancy Brown) destroy their homeland in "Thor: Ragnarok."
When you know to look for this trope, it's difficult to watch any dramatic MCU scene without subconsciously expecting it to devolve into an "I Think You Should Leave with Tim Robinson" sketch."
i watched the strange 3 vid, some of it; i didnt find any of the banter or one liners to be out of the ordinary; nor was it egregious or extra!! THor love and thunder was just stupid and we have all agreed to that; im not going to even entertain the video about LOKI or Moon Knight; because neither of those series was too comedic; none of the "jokes" and or one liners altered or affected those series negatively; nor did they change the mood; so im just gonna stop right here and just say....BOOKMARKED
Be sure to also bookmark my post where Kevin Feige HIMSELF says the Marvel formula is comedy first then sneaking in emotion.
You realize that's writing 101?
Right!! and you also realize that these movies are based of comics! and every single comic has humor or one liners in out of all dam sorts!!!
And Episode 5 was really good!!! Maybe this season can be saved...
Writing 101 is you NEVER EVER destroy your narrative with jokes. You're building up to the denouement. You want to keep building the drama.
The Empire Strikes Back is a perfect example of when to use jokes and when not to. You pretty much never see them weaken a narrative by switching to one liners.
Imagine if when Luke finally confronts Vader in Cloud City. Lightsabers are drawn.
Vader: Obi Wan has taught you well. But you are not a Jedi yet..
Luke: Well, Back on Tattooine, I have an ice cream flavor named after me. You do too.
Vader: What!?...Is it good?
Luke: It's ok. A little dark
Vader: I must try it!
That's what it would be like if made by Marvel.
That's your opinion of the final result
I am not talking about that
I am saying what Feige is saying about comedy and emotion is correct.
Execution? Well that's another thing
But what he said is not wrong.
Also, you just proved my point. You're posting lessons for people writing comedy. But these aren't supposed to be comedies. My original point was that Marvel was making comedies instead of superhero movies. (Which Feige admits).
The Dark Knight was amazing. It had humor. But it wasn't slapstick.
DId you ever on and or read comics? marvel comics? if you did please give me one comic book series that didnt have one liners in it! Please give me one comic book series that didnt have jokes in it! Just give me one; and ill be like okay you have a point; but I would bet whatever you couldnt give me just one; and since all of these movies source material is based of the comics; then what are you talking about...
There are lots of examples of movies that are able to make you care about the emotions of the characters without comedy first.
How many one liners in The Godfather? Schindler's list? No Country for Old Men?
I read the comics avidly.
In the Avengers, Ultron was based on the brainwaves of Hank Pym and thought he was Hank Pym to the point he wanted to kill the real one and take the Wasp as his bride. Hell, he even made a body for her and attempted to put her consciousness in it. One thing Ultron NEVER did, was joke.
This was one of my favorite Avengers issues:
In the movies Ultron has one liners.
They aren't comedies. I don't find them funny. But most are humorous and I would dislike them if they weren't.
I understand critics like you not liking the quips but that doesn't bother me. They don't always land true. And sometimes its excessive.
Its a matter of preference.
Its the Marvel style and MILLIONS like it
Because there are also moments where the entire theater stands up and cheers and moments that people STILL go back decade later and weep.
I get you don't like it but your take is not absolute.
Its your opinion and you have your right to it.
I think something you are missing is this is NOT the Dark Knight (which truth be told I think is grossly overrated)
It does not try to be or want to be
Its Marvel.
These movies are targeting FAMILIES for the MOST part.
Not JUST YOU or me or @Day_Carver
They have to hit EVERYONE and that's a tough ask.
And they TRYING to create sub genres with in the MCU
heist, action, political thriller, mystery, adult comedy etc etc
I GET your complaints
but it aint changing much anytime soon.
And the box office been fine.
You KNOW my rule... if you don't like it?
Don't watch it.
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Ultron didnt joke, but Iron Man Thor Cap all of them and more did!! and I bet if i read this comic right here; i bet I would find one liners in it and or jokes! This nigga Iron Man is suppose to be fighting Ultron and not themselves; yet Iron Man is saying a fucking one liner on the cover!!I read the comics avidly.
In the Avengers, Ultron was based on the brainwaves of Hank Pym and thought he was Hank Pym to the point he wanted to kill the real one and take the Wasp as his bride. Hell, he even made a body for her and attempted to put her consciousness in it. One thing Ultron NEVER did, was joke.
This was one of my favorite Avengers issues:
In the movies Ultron has one liners.
Okay now you going all over the place to support your stance.
We UNDERSTAND what you saying and we AGREE with you overall.
But again I'm not going line by line script by script doing cinematic comparisons over decades of film over this point.
Comedy and emotion go hand in hand now THAT is a fact.
Drop the gun pick up the cannoli is still hilarious
I drink your milkshake is HILARIOUS
Intentional or not. (interestingly most were actually intentional because you NEED to take your foot off the emotional gas)
As writers you gotta be careful to NOT try to CHASE that laugh (again I get that Marvel tends to do that).
But if you have the right actors?
You gonna DO it.
Again this is their style. You personally don't like it, there is nothing wrong with that.
but you want to make your subjective opinion gospel and it aint never gonna be that.
Know you are NOT ALONE long time comic fans HATE all the humor in the MCU adds to their "serious" characters.
It aint that serious.
Ultron didnt joke, but Iron Man Thor Cap all of them and more did!! and I bet if i read this comic right here; i bet I would find one liners in it and or jokes! This nigga Iron Man is suppose to be fighting Ultron and not themselves; yet Iron Man is saying a fucking one liner on the cover!!
^^^^
BECAUSE THE AUDIENCE IS KIDS!!!!
He acting like Mad Men Sopranos The Wire The Shield Sons of Anarchy Breaking Bad etc etc wasn't INTENTIONALLY FUNNY MANY TIMES
