Marvel woke up today and said......let me remind y'all who the fuck we are!!

playahaitian

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And I stopped reading when the frog took over, when Beta Ray Bill took over, I don't recall Storm taking over in Thor that was in New Mutants and X-men when Loki gave her a hammer. But I've stopped buying several comic books when they took a left turn. I ain't new to this. When Superman became Red Superman and Blue Superman it was time to stop buying his comic book. The Spider-man clone saga was another time.

But you putting everything in a pot bro

Was it over saturation
Bad writing
Over exposure
Changing fan base
Sales
Hollywood

Cause now you talking a wide ranging documentary level discussion about the downfall of modern comic book publishing

Having more women and different races etc be heroes is not an issue (no pun intended) in and of itself.

Only if people choose it to be.
 

Stop these faggits!

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And I stopped reading when the frog took over, when Beta Ray Bill took over, I don't recall Storm taking over in Thor that was in New Mutants and X-men when Loki gave her a hammer. But I've stopped buying several comic books when they took a left turn. I ain't new to this. When Superman became Red Superman and Blue Superman it was time to stop buying his comic book. The Spider-man clone saga was another time.
Comics always doing too much . I was done ne when wolverines half Japanese bi sexual son cut punisher into ribbons . Then they put him back together and called him frankenpunisher. It was the dumbest thing I've ever seen done in comics.
 

Don Coreleone

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But you putting everything in a pot bro

Was it over saturation
Bad writing
Over exposure
Changing fan base
Sales
Hollywood

Cause now you talking a wide ranging documentary level discussion about the downfall of modern comic book publishing

Having more women and different races etc be heroes is not an issue (no pun intended) in and of itself.

Only if people choose it to be.
I'm not independently wealthy. I have limited resources with a multitude of choices. It could be everything you mentioned plus bad art. When I looked at last years Marvel movies I saw the agenda and not so much entertainment so I have to shift my dollars elsewhere. I buy a lot of older books now. The last books I bought were FF omnibus books. As far as Marvel movies I don't see me going to the theatre and watching them maybe I'll wait until I can download them here. Disney+ I haven't liked a lot of their shows. IMHO Moon Knight sucked ass, Hawkeye was alright. Having an alright show is not enough to continue to subscribe. The Offer on Paramount+ is banging which is why I dropped Netflix and now subscribe to Paramount+.
 

playahaitian

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I'm not independently wealthy. I have limited resources with a multitude of choices. It could be everything you mentioned plus bad art. When I looked at last years Marvel movies I saw the agenda and not so much entertainment so I have to shift my dollars elsewhere. I buy a lot of older books now. The last books I bought were FF omnibus books. As far as Marvel movies I don't see me going to the theatre and watching them maybe I'll wait until I can download them here. Disney+ I haven't liked a lot of their shows. IMHO Moon Knight sucked ass, Hawkeye was alright. Having an alright show is not enough to continue to subscribe. The Offer on Paramount+ is banging which is why I dropped Netflix and now subscribe to Paramount+.

Bro anyone arguing against anything you just wrote?

Cut them off.

You a grown adult

No one can tell you what to like or not like.

And that is the one thing I hate about the culture now

We used to debate shout yell etc

But it was NEVER that serious!

People now to try to defend their own personal opinion gotta have charts graphs data youtube vids dna tests

You ain't like it?

Cool

If someone says I ain't like it cause there was too many girls or black folk or foreigners or gays?

Cool too

Cause now you know where they head at.

Treat them accordingly.

I like hearing SOME people reasoning cause I love real exchange of ideas. But that don't mean I entertain stupid

To me at least? I hear what you saying and respect it.

I'm lifelong in this comic life from like elementary school. So I'm bias as f*ck.

I grew up with these fan boys grandparents

All white bad hygiene OGs

Original Geeks

So a lot of this so called agenda talk was said about John Stewart Green Arrow black panther etc etc

I knew dudes who got pissed when Superman said he was an immigrant.

I'm not saying that they are not making a concerted effort to show diversity

And some of it is forced and they fumble

But that doesn't bother me

Bad writing period bothers me.

And dudes on here acting like when it was all white it was better some how is laughable as f*ck
 

ViCiouS

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:lol:
Thor had his hammer carried by a frog, a horse faced alien, Storm etc
2 long suffering and self sacrificing heros willingly faced death time and again before being worthy of wielding Mjolnir ...

but the white girl, through no heroic consequence or sacrifice of her own, gets terminally sick and under goes chemo

gets affirmative action from the All Father
 

Don Coreleone

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:lol:
2 long suffering and self sacrificing heros willingly faced death time and again before being worthy of wielding Mjolnir ...

but the white girl, through no heroic consequence or sacrifice of her own, gets terminally sick and under goes chemo

gets affirmative action from the All Father
Its called the heroes journey. Luke had his trials and tribulations to become a jedi and to wield a lightsaber. Rey comes a long and as soon as she picks it up she injures a trained force wielder and is immediately on his level. The same with Captain Marvel and the Scarlet Witch they almost beat Thanos when the combined might of Thor, Captain America and Iron man couldn't do it.
 

playahaitian

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:lol:
2 long suffering and self sacrificing heros willingly faced death time and again before being worthy of wielding Mjolnir ...

but the white girl, through no heroic consequence or sacrifice of her own, gets terminally sick and under goes chemo

gets affirmative action from the All Father

do you REALLY want to go through EVERY person that has wielded that damn hammer throughout all the Thor runs bro?

and not just the few names some fake geek wrote a clickbait sh*t piece for some so called comic site...

the REAL LIST.

You REALLY want to do that?
 

ViCiouS

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do you REALLY want to go through EVERY person that has wielded that damn hammer throughout all the Thor runs bro?

and not just the few names some fake geek wrote a clickbait sh*t piece for some so called comic site...

the REAL LIST.

You REALLY want to do that?
ok:nerd:

lets also keep in mind the characters you initially chose to diminish ...


shame... :lol:
 

TENT

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Paramount Plus?
Wtf you watching?

I'm not independently wealthy. I have limited resources with a multitude of choices. It could be everything you mentioned plus bad art. When I looked at last years Marvel movies I saw the agenda and not so much entertainment so I have to shift my dollars elsewhere. I buy a lot of older books now. The last books I bought were FF omnibus books. As far as Marvel movies I don't see me going to the theatre and watching them maybe I'll wait until I can download them here. Disney+ I haven't liked a lot of their shows. IMHO Moon Knight sucked ass, Hawkeye was alright. Having an alright show is not enough to continue to subscribe. The Offer on Paramount+ is banging which is why I dropped Netflix and now subscribe to Paramount+.
 

Darrkman

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Niggas in this thread mad that the movies are following the comics with female characters. But will be the same niggas mad they don't follow the comic storylines.

Make it make sense.

Dudes in here worried about a watered down Thor don't have a clue about how God Butcher storyline went. And don't have a clue what being Thor did to Jane Foster.
 

Politic Negro

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If they follow the humor Jeff Bryne's run, I'll watch

iu
 

CptMARVEL

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I'm not independently wealthy. I have limited resources with a multitude of choices. It could be everything you mentioned plus bad art. When I looked at last years Marvel movies I saw the agenda and not so much entertainment so I have to shift my dollars elsewhere. I buy a lot of older books now. The last books I bought were FF omnibus books. As far as Marvel movies I don't see me going to the theatre and watching them maybe I'll wait until I can download them here. Disney+ I haven't liked a lot of their shows. IMHO Moon Knight sucked ass, Hawkeye was alright. Having an alright show is not enough to continue to subscribe. The Offer on Paramount+ is banging which is why I dropped Netflix and now subscribe to Paramount+.
:lol:
2 long suffering and self sacrificing heros willingly faced death time and again before being worthy of wielding Mjolnir ...

but the white girl, through no heroic consequence or sacrifice of her own, gets terminally sick and under goes chemo

gets affirmative action from the All Father
Same, I'm over the female and homosexual push
Its called the heroes journey. Luke had his trials and tribulations to become a jedi and to wield a lightsaber. Rey comes a long and as soon as she picks it up she injures a trained force wielder and is immediately on his level. The same with Captain Marvel and the Scarlet Witch they almost beat Thanos when the combined might of Thor, Captain America and Iron man couldn't do it.
kBzRS4.gif

BOOM!!!

These guys get it...
:yes:
I tried to explain this to cats here and was met with downright hostility a few months ago.
There is a distinct difference between proper representation in popular entertainment and BEING PANDERED TO.
Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm is currently in the business of pandering to feminists, POC and the LGBTQ audience instead of just telling great stories.
As I'm sure you guys have noticed; in virtually ALL of the current MCU and Star Wars films and streaming series, if it's story about a male hero, then his exploits are now outshined by a woman. Or he is totally dependant on a woman, beat up by a women or saved by a woman in the film. But the women in the film NEVER need to learn anything from or to be saved by a man. (Especially the male hero of the film).
Bottomline:
Instead of giving us more of epic events like THIS:
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Disney/Marvel has chosen to bring to the big screen one of the worse (if not THE worse) era in modern comic book history.
nkRThmrUdGG_cETkI4OH_mkYKiR-tcbpH7w10075PLA.jpg
All-New_All-Different_Marvel_Point_One_1_Marquez_A_Variant.jpg

All in the name of "representation". (Pandering)
:hithead:
 

PsiBorg

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kBzRS4.gif

BOOM!!!

These guys get it...
:yes:
I tried to explain this to cats here and was met with downright hostility a few months ago.
There is a distinct difference between proper representation in popular entertainment and BEING PANDERED TO.
Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm is currently in the business of pandering to feminists, POC and the LGBTQ audience instead of just telling great stories.
As I'm sure you guys have noticed; in virtually ALL of the current MCU and Star Wars films and streaming series, if it's story about a male hero, then his exploits are now outshined by a woman. Or he is totally dependant on a woman, beat up by a women or saved by a woman in the film. But the women in the film NEVER need to learn anything from or to be saved by a man. (Especially the male hero of the film).
Bottomline:
Instead of giving us more of epic events like THIS:
main-qimg-6f4be7a6808b5074c405e868ab14d055-lq

Disney/Marvel has chosen to bring to the big screen one of the worse (if not THE worse) era in modern comic book history.
nkRThmrUdGG_cETkI4OH_mkYKiR-tcbpH7w10075PLA.jpg
All-New_All-Different_Marvel_Point_One_1_Marquez_A_Variant.jpg

All in the name of "representation". (Pandering)
:hithead:
I agree 100%.

My brother's favorite comics back in the day was Warlock and Captain Marvel.

I couldn't believe the Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) twist years later. Marvel would go toe to toe with the likes of Thanos and characters with similar power levels. All of a sudden, Marvel becomes a woman? I was like, "Here they go with this bullshit."

I still can't understand how Scarlet Witch got so powerful. And the Jane Foster to Thor arc just doesn't make any sense at all, especially when you consider that Thor is a character based on the Norse myths.
 

ViCiouS

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Dudes in here worried about a watered down Thor don't have a clue about how God Butcher storyline went. And don't have a clue what being Thor did to Jane Foster.
Storywise -in 616 - it doesn't matter what being Thor did to Jane Foster...
because before that story got to unfold- the new story arc appeared to break with
Marvel's legends built around Mjolnir and its criteria

imo -It was bad myth building... not first nor last comic guilty of this... well deserving of criticism and commentary...
but not the hate & fem bashing

Set in an alternate timeline or WhatIf -
Those stories would have gotten overwhelming love
 

playahaitian

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Storywise -in 616 - it doesn't matter what being Thor did to Jane Foster...
because before that story got to unfold- the new story arc appeared to break with
Marvel's legends built around Mjolnir and its criteria

imo -It was bad myth building... not first nor last comic guilty of this... well deserving of criticism and commentary...
but not the hate & fem bashing

Set in an alternate timeline or WhatIf -
Those stories would have gotten overwhelming love

Vicious aka Vicious the Merciful
 

CptMARVEL

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I agree 100%.

My brother's favorite comics back in the day was Warlock and Captain Marvel.

I couldn't believe the Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) twist years later. Marvel would go toe to toe with the likes of Thanos and characters with similar power levels. All of a sudden, Marvel becomes a woman? I was like, "Here they go with this bullshit."

I still can't understand how Scarlet Witch got so powerful. And the Jane Foster to Thor arc just doesn't make any sense at all, especially when you consider that Thor is a character based on the Norse myths.
Storywise -in 616 - it doesn't matter what being Thor did to Jane Foster...
because before that story got to unfold- the new story arc appeared to break with
Marvel's legends built around Mjolnir and its criteria

imo -It was bad myth building... not first nor last comic guilty of this... well deserving of criticism and commentary...
but not the hate & fem bashing

Set in an alternate timeline or WhatIf -
Those stories would have gotten overwhelming love
The Jane Foster/Thor angle isn't new.
It was done before way back in the '70's as a "What If" issue.
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But some cats around here are willing to accept whatever drivel Disney/Marvel puts out and just think it's wonderful.
When; in fact, it's total bullshit... :bullshit:

And when you point this out to them, they wanna label you "incel" or that you hate "strong women".
However, the truth is you try & tell them to wake up and see that they're being pandered to by a corporation only interested in appeasing the woke Twitter crowd and special interest groups rather than in real diversity or representation... :smh:
 

theoriginalgreatone

MOAR
BGOL Investor
kBzRS4.gif

BOOM!!!

These guys get it...
:yes:
I tried to explain this to cats here and was met with downright hostility a few months ago.
There is a distinct difference between proper representation in popular entertainment and BEING PANDERED TO.
Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm is currently in the business of pandering to feminists, POC and the LGBTQ audience instead of just telling great stories.
As I'm sure you guys have noticed; in virtually ALL of the current MCU and Star Wars films and streaming series, if it's story about a male hero, then his exploits are now outshined by a woman. Or he is totally dependant on a woman, beat up by a women or saved by a woman in the film. But the women in the film NEVER need to learn anything from or to be saved by a man. (Especially the male hero of the film).
Bottomline:
Instead of giving us more of epic events like THIS:
main-qimg-6f4be7a6808b5074c405e868ab14d055-lq

Disney/Marvel has chosen to bring to the big screen one of the worse (if not THE worse) era in modern comic book history.
nkRThmrUdGG_cETkI4OH_mkYKiR-tcbpH7w10075PLA.jpg
All-New_All-Different_Marvel_Point_One_1_Marquez_A_Variant.jpg

All in the name of "representation". (Pandering)
:hithead:
#micdrop
 

PsiBorg

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BGOL Investor
The Jane Foster/Thor angle isn't new.
It was done before way back in the '70's as a "What If" issue.
803719.jpg


But some cats around here are willing to accept whatever drivel Disney/Marvel puts out and just think it's wonderful.
When; in fact, it's total bullshit... :bullshit:

And when you point this out to them, they wanna label you "incel" or that you hate "strong women".
However, the truth is you try & tell them to wake up and see that they're being pandered to by a corporation only interested in appeasing the woke Twitter crowd and special interest groups rather than in real diversity or representation... :smh:
Again, I agree. I think the "What If" comics were an excellent vehicle for writing unconventional stories. They could explore alternate arc without messing up the original comic's backgrounds and over all flavor. Jane can't have the same richness of history as Thor does.

I remember a Thor storyline where Thor was hurt or something and he met his Grandfather Buri. Thor never knew who he was, but it made a great storyline. Buri got Thor back on his feet and back into fighting shape. Jane can't have that, it won't make sense. Unless it's in a "What If" scenario.

But the way they are telling the stories now, they seem to expect the traditionalists to just accept it because they wrote it. Naw.... I like shit to make sense.

The way they're writing now, I bet soon we can expect a female Galactus, Namor, Blue Marvel, and, Thanos.
 
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