Marvel woke up today and said......let me remind y'all who the fuck we are!!
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I know sony owns Spiderman and his universe, but riddle me this Batman: Why did Marvel go from 5% of the film earnings to 25%?No.
Marvel does NOT own all the "other" rights to Spiderman.
- Sony Does.
It was Sony who put these 2 games out...
NOT Marvel.
It was Sony who licensed Spiderman out for the 2020 Avengers game...
NOT Marvel.
Hence the need for Marvel to "contract out" Spiderman for the cinematic version of the MCU.
And Sony was doing just fine without Marvel. (Whether you enjoyed the films or not...)
In case you missed it:
Sony owns the cinematic rights to these characters.
NOT Marvel.
And finally, as for you questioning my knowledge of comic books....
Dude, I've read more comic books than you can possibly imagine.
Who's more popular, the Hulk or Peter?
How much money does Disney make off of toys, and the other merch they license from Spiderman? My point was that Universal isn't going to play a nice as sony, nor is the Hulk a property they will dump $$$ into, only for Universal to get paid.
The video game rights aren't exactly as you portrait them.
Does Sony own the video game rights to Spider-Man?
Sony owns the rights to Spider-Man on the big screen but when it comes to the web-slinger in video games, who is the one responsible?
As far as comics go bro, I go way back. Marvel and DC, and the fact that you assumed I was some novice that didn't know shitty films like Morbius and Venom are not apart of Disney is absurd.
Anyway, until Marvel owns all the rights and either reboots the MCU or changes the timeline we will probably never see the Maestro, the world breaker or my personal favorite Joe Fixit.
Answer:I know sony owns Spiderman and his universe, but riddle me this Batman: Why did Marvel go from 5% of the film earnings to 25%?
Who's more popular, the Hulk or Peter?
How much money does Disney make off of toys, and the other merch they license from Spiderman? My point was that Universal isn't going to play a nice as sony, nor is the Hulk a property they will dump $$$ into, only for Universal to get paid.
The video game rights aren't exactly as you portrait them.
Does Sony own the video game rights to Spider-Man?
Sony owns the rights to Spider-Man on the big screen but when it comes to the web-slinger in video games, who is the one responsible?apptrigger.com
As far as comics go bro, I go way back. Marvel and DC, and the fact that you assumed I was some novice that didn't know shitty films like Morbius and Venom are not apart of Disney is absurd.
Anyway, until Marvel owns all the rights and either reboots the MCU or changes the timeline we will probably never see the Maestro, the world breaker or my personal favorite Joe Fixit.
Because Marvel agreed to put up a far more substantial amount of money casting, producing, marketing and distributing all 3 Spiderman films and the as yet named future film. And since Marvel is financing a larger part of these Spiderman projects, of course they're going to earn more from them as a result.
The problem with The Hulk is that the 2 films (2003 & 2008) were both financial disappointments and did not do well enough for Universal to greenlight sequels. They DID however, license out The Hulk to Marvel/Disney with the understanding that while Marvel controls the content of the films, Universal still maintains control of the character. Universal needs only to help promote these films and to just open their bank accounts and make money off Marvels efforts.
At this point Marvel just says; "Fuck it. Since we're now pandering to females in Phase 4, we'll just run with The She-Hulk instead and cut Universal out".
Lastly, I don't give a flying fuck just what you're comic book reading knowledge is. I don't care if you're a novice, a moderate or an expert.
- It was YOU who questioned me and my knowledge.
- It was YOU who claims to be more "In the know" about the goings on of comic books and comic book films.
I didn't start this, bub. You did...
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Whoa
I do hate this female push, it makes me not even want to watch it until it's over...Answer:
Because Marvel agreed to put up a far more substantial amount of money casting, producing, marketing and distributing all 3 Spiderman films and the as yet named future film. And since Marvel is financing a larger part of these Spiderman projects, of course they're going to earn more from them as a result.
The problem with The Hulk is that the 2 films (2003 & 2008) were both financial disappointments and did not do well enough for Universal to greenlight sequels. They DID however, license out The Hulk to Marvel/Disney with the understanding that while Marvel controls the content of the films, Universal still maintains control of the character. Universal needs only to help promote these films and to just open their bank accounts and make money off Marvels efforts.
At this point Marvel just says; "Fuck it. Since we're now pandering to females in Phase 4, we'll just run with The She-Hulk instead and cut Universal out".
Lastly, I don't give a flying fuck just what you're comic book reading knowledge is. I don't care if you're a novice, a moderate or an expert.
- It was YOU who questioned me and my knowledge.
- It was YOU who claims to be more "In the know" about the goings on of comic books and comic book films.
I didn't start this, bub. You did...
Or at least until it's done better or more organically. And not this "strong female representation for representation sake", bullshit that satisfies no one and only seems to work if the men in the film are oppressors, stupid, incompetent or comic relief.
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Yeah I bet numbers will start to fall, unless the keep this female push to d+ only
Last I heard. Disney/Marvel gets ALL the toy money and cartoon money.
Sony only has MOVIE rights.
Sony only has MOVIE rights.
I know sony owns Spiderman and his universe, but riddle me this Batman: Why did Marvel go from 5% of the film earnings to 25%?
Who's more popular, the Hulk or Peter?
How much money does Disney make off of toys, and the other merch they license from Spiderman? My point was that Universal isn't going to play a nice as sony, nor is the Hulk a property they will dump $$$ into, only for Universal to get paid.
The video game rights aren't exactly as you portrait them.
Does Sony own the video game rights to Spider-Man?
Sony owns the rights to Spider-Man on the big screen but when it comes to the web-slinger in video games, who is the one responsible?
As far as comics go bro, I go way back. Marvel and DC, and the fact that you assumed I was some novice that didn't know shitty films like Morbius and Venom are not apart of Disney is absurd.
Anyway, until Marvel owns all the rights and either reboots the MCU or changes the timeline we will probably never see the Maestro, the world breaker or my personal favorite Joe Fixit.
Aye mayne, why don't you like girls?
We will see bro.
But I doubt it.
There may just be superhero exhaustion across the board soon enough
But that ain't happening no time soon.
The plan is it make so many sub genres that everyone eats
No one is forcing folk to absorb ALL this content.
It the trailer or even description turn you off
Guess what?
Don't see it.
Problem solved
Don't watch it read it complain about it.
Folk need to understand they ain't that important. Its ONE of you. Do you.
Just ignore whatever it is that is bothering you cause apparently there are thousands who are just fine.
I don't eat McDonald's no more
You see them going out of business?
You ever try to argue someone out of their fries?
Is McDonald's hurting my delicate sensibilities?
Watch whatever you want.
Imma let yall in one a secret...
The one and only reason they doing this
The true secret agenda, hold on
Money
Shhhh don't tell nobody.
I never really liked the female heroes. I remember as a kid with super powers, I used to let wonder woman get rapped by the villains, probably needed therapy. OCS
I never really liked the female heroes. I remember as a kid with super powers, I used to let wonder woman get rapped by the villains, probably needed therapy. OCS
Bro...
I'm not gonna sit here and lie like I bought a bunch of "girl" comics back in the day
I'm decades in this comic life bro, decades.
You like what you like that's fine
But I missed out earlier on by listening to dudes who didn't buy girl comics.
And actually it's reading so called girl comics that sharpen my brain about limiting your exposure.
It's the focus obsession and need to make inclusion of female characters about something evil and sinister.
But but but but
Why are there so many woman?
Who wants to see women?
These women are badly written?
Ok.
Because there are more woman in the world.
They have rights too. They have feelings, emotions.
They want to be represented too.
AND THEY SPEND MONEY
Bad or good EVERYONE wants to just be SEEN. Men especially black men have been badly written for decades and you ain't boycott sh*t.
If women like it why does it bother them?
Bro...think about that.
Are they complaining about too many maxi pad commercials? The writing and production quality? The menstrual agenda being pushed against tampons?
You ain't part of this he man woman hater sh*t.
You don't like it, fine. It's the explanation that exposes them. Trying to justify the bullsh*t. You don't want no parts of that.
Like it or hate it. But hate watching and trying to justify some bullsh*t is with poorly written dissertations is exhausting.
Just don't watch it.
No, I don't watch it if I don't like it and if I do like it I watch it. I enjoyed season one of Jessica Jones, season 2,not so much and I didn't bother with season 3..
Personally, I just don't like the narrative that is being pushed right now, no matter what...
The demasculinization of the male
& the lgbtqrstuv everywhere you turn.
You're 100 percent right, if you don't want to watch it, then don't, but what sucks is it all started without it, now it's all you see...
I'm not here to argue or debate, just coverse & discuss different views. That's it. I apologize if I struck a nerve or offended you... I don't have energy to have beef on a message board
I completely respect it.
No, I don't watch it if I don't like it and if I do like it I watch it. I enjoyed season one of Jessica Jones, season 2,not so much and I didn't bother with season 3..
Personally, I just don't like the narrative that is being pushed right now, no matter what...
The demasculinization of the male
& the lgbtqrstuv everywhere you turn.
You're 100 percent right, if you don't want to watch it, then don't, but what sucks is it all started without it, now it's all you see...
I'm not here to argue or debate, just coverse & discuss different views. That's it. I apologize if I struck a nerve or offended you... I don't have energy to have beef on a message board
Now emasculated males and clumsy forced lgbtq+ representation?
That is 100% true. I cannot argue or defend that.
But that happens all the time with the shift.
There are white men out here who feel like spraying AR 15s because they saw Abbott elementary and wonder years back to back on ABC.
But that... started without it part? ain't true or fair.
So Watchman wasn't black but the revival was. They didn't have to add Black Panther to the movies. Etc etc.
Folks wanted to kill stan Lee over including black characters and strong female leads back in the day
Things evolve.
Good bad indifferent.
We gotta be real careful with that.
Cause we have elders who fought and died to make sure just cause things started one way it don't stay that way.
Very true
The problem isn't female characters. There are plenty of female heroes in marvel comics and there was always string capable women in the MCU such as Peggy and Sharon Carter, maria hill, lady sif, gamora, wasp, shuri,. Ami, the Dora's etc. The problem is his they've been written as of late I'd say going back to Ant-Man . They are introduced in main heroes title and the hero gets outshined by her and is made to look like a bafoon as seen in Loki, Thor Ragnarok, Ant-Man, black widow is a perfect example with how they did red guardian.
I don't completely fault marvel studios for this because it's more of a forced pandering and they are doing it to save face. I read it here in some thread prolly this one that somebody at marvel tweeted something sexist so to save face marvel started gender swapping heroes and villian etc. I think it was also said the pandering is due to feminist nagging Kevin feige because if the success of wonder woman at DC.
On a side note I want to be interested in Thor love and thunder. The little that I read of Jane foster as Thor was good bit since odin is dead we prolly won't get the same story beats from the book. Especially since this movie is being helmed by taika watiti it will have a light hearted approach and won't deal with heavy handed elements like Jane battling cancer and depending on the lower of their to sustain herself. Also I'm sorry but I don't want to see valkeri and korg. I'm tired of lugging at Tessa Thompson's pug face and korg is not funny at all besides Asgardians don't love those rock people, why is Thor hanging out with him?
I don't completely fault marvel studios for this because it's more of a forced pandering and they are doing it to save face. I read it here in some thread prolly this one that somebody at marvel tweeted something sexist so to save face marvel started gender swapping heroes and villian etc. I think it was also said the pandering is due to feminist nagging Kevin feige because if the success of wonder woman at DC.
On a side note I want to be interested in Thor love and thunder. The little that I read of Jane foster as Thor was good bit since odin is dead we prolly won't get the same story beats from the book. Especially since this movie is being helmed by taika watiti it will have a light hearted approach and won't deal with heavy handed elements like Jane battling cancer and depending on the lower of their to sustain herself. Also I'm sorry but I don't want to see valkeri and korg. I'm tired of lugging at Tessa Thompson's pug face and korg is not funny at all besides Asgardians don't love those rock people, why is Thor hanging out with him?
Man i loved wonder woman so much as a kid that NOW when i hear that hard driving 70s piano funk theme music with the church ladies singing her name i tear up.I never really liked the female heroes. I remember as a kid with super powers, I used to let wonder woman get rapped by the villains, probably needed therapy. OCS
First of all she was my magical big titty bikini clad girlfriend, second she represented and defended the disenfranchised and powerless, which i felt i was one of.
Plus i got sisters and cousins. All of them were smart and able. I never saw girls as being better than boys or vise versa. I felt like we were all equally in need of help. It shouldn't matter where that help comes from as long as its effective, right?
Anyway, i hope this was therapeutic.
Why you gotta post something smarter funnier shorter and more personal than me?
AGENT
You just exposed yourself
Your leftist feminist lesbian pro woman man hating emasculation agenda is disgusting and obvious
Mods!
I like male superheroes too. Just saying.
Well isn’t that the same thing…Or...
Simply pimping out their best 'ho to continue to make A LOT of money.
Bro this whole woman pandering shit is mad ridiculous. There’s been 3 fucking movies in phase 4 and none have pandered to women. There have been 5 tv shows and only 1 can be even considered pandering; and I don’t think that it was. So all this women shit is crazy to me. Mofos on here and in this world really just don’t like women…
I like male superheroes too. Just saying.
Bro?
apparently it is not ok to like both.
Bro who you telling.
The part they missing?
There is HUGE group of white racist assholes Cosigning exactly what they saying
Who also said the same exact things about war machine, black panther, shuri and Sam Jackson as Nick Fury.
Go Google when they FIRST hired Sam to play nick fury
You can cut and paste these comments with that.
Just the terms didn't exist!
Woke, agenda, pandering, erasing white people, critical race theory, changing comic history...
Blah blah blah...
You would think the fact they spewing rhetoric anyway attached to THAT group would be enough to seperate themselves and rethink their position.
Wait, i think i get it!
For every imaginary female hero who gets a title, tv show or movie there's an imaginary male character who loses one!
I see you mayne...i see you!
Marvel doesn't need universal to greenlight shit. They no longer need or are willing to let another company eat of a lower tier character after they do all the work.Answer:
Because Marvel agreed to put up a far more substantial amount of money casting, producing, marketing and distributing all 3 Spiderman films and the as yet named future film. And since Marvel is financing a larger part of these Spiderman projects, of course they're going to earn more from them as a result.
The problem with The Hulk is that the 2 films (2003 & 2008) were both financial disappointments and did not do well enough for Universal to greenlight sequels. They DID however, license out The Hulk to Marvel/Disney with the understanding that while Marvel controls the content of the films, Universal still maintains control of the character. Universal needs only to help promote these films and to just open their bank accounts and make money off Marvels efforts.
At this point Marvel just says; "Fuck it. Since we're now pandering to females in Phase 4, we'll just run with The She-Hulk instead and cut Universal out".
Lastly, I don't give a flying fuck just what you're comic book reading knowledge is. I don't care if you're a novice, a moderate or an expert.
- It was YOU who questioned me and my knowledge.
- It was YOU who claims to be more "In the know" about the goings on of comic books and comic book films.
I didn't start this, bub. You did...
Yes, Marvel did kick in extra for their 25% bump. They also got to feature him in the MCU in 3 of their highest grossing films all while redeeming Peter.
All of this was in response to certain posters using incel cac/racist talking points about the "M She U".
The same people bitching about woke and other gentrified catch phrases also are made about Adam Brashear, Sam Wilson, John Stewart and their being black Vikings and Kryptonians.
Is it pandering to have characters representing the entire spectrum of humanity, or are you triggered by non white male protagonists?
Bro, nobody cares that there are female characters. There have always been female characters. Noone likes when it is forced and ruining the brand.
Dudes would go ape ish they did a Storm movie or a good Phoenix Saga or Rouge when she took Captain Marvel's powers. They wasted an opportunity by not just doing an iron heart movie.
Black Widow was wack. The female team up in Endgame was wack. She-Hulk looks wack. The Dr Strange movie was really a Wanda movie...wack. Captain Marvel was wack. Even the sister playing Captain Marvel in Dr. Strange....wack. Now, the daughter, who is rumored to be spectrum....that has potential. They could a Gamora and Nebula team up or origin film....that ish would be fire!!!!! A Dora Milaje movie would make more sense.
It has to be more organic and it is not. It is obviously forced. They have said as much.
yep..i loved characters like she-hulk (john byrne version), rogue, storm (the mohawk de-powered version), and monica rambeau(lead the avengers) back in the 80s.
they were diverse and back then the comics creators cared about telling good stories.
the MCU started out that way...but now they don't care about good stories only diversity
No.
Marvel DOES need Universal to agree to allow them to use The Hulk to make movies and streaming series. Any time Marvel utilizes The Hulk:
- They need the permission of Universal Studios.
- They need to PAY Universal Studios.
Check it out:
This was from Mark Ruffalo's own mouth....
Just as Marvel has to ask for permission & pay Sony to use Spiderman. (ALL versions of Spiderman)
As for the representation issue; dude it IS pandering to suddenly change the tone of an established franchise in order to appeal to a specific demographic. Especially if it alienates the already existing fan base who've made that franchise profitable and kept it going for decades.
Example:
If Paramount were to announce that in the next Star Trek movie, Captain Kirk would be a gay, Black man, do you think there wouldn't be a major backlash to it...?
- Of course there would be. And rightfully so...
No.
Marvel DOES need Universal to agree to allow them to use The Hulk to make movies and streaming series. Any time Marvel utilizes The Hulk:
- They need the permission of Universal Studios.
- They need to PAY Universal Studios.
Check it out:
This was from Mark Ruffalo's own mouth....
Just as Marvel has to ask for permission & pay Sony to use Spiderman. (ALL versions of Spiderman)
As for the representation issue; dude it IS pandering to suddenly change the tone of an established franchise in order to appeal to a specific demographic. Especially if it alienates the already existing fan base who've made that franchise profitable and kept it going for decades.
Example:
If Paramount were to announce that in the next Star Trek movie, Captain Kirk would be a gay, Black man, do you think there wouldn't be a major backlash to it...?
- Of course there would be. And rightfully so...
Please name me one marvel character that has been introduced in the MCU that is as far of a departure as that?
Also, do you really think Universal would turn down a world war hulk movie in the mcu? C'mon bro, that's not the case. That's why they did a mini arc of the Hulk inside other franchises. Marc is not the legal expert and he even said he doesn't know where this is going.
Universal holds the rights of refusal to distribute any Hulk film. Marvel can produce one and Universal can say yes or no to distribute it. So what's Marvel going to do? Make a shitty Hulk movie that Universal turns down and push it through the Disney machine, or make a great one and let them eat off of the mouses work?
Do you not see this?
For all the bitching about Captain Marvel, the shit did a billion dollars. The world is a lot bigger than cacs, and it's smart business to diversify.
Are you saying Cyborg and Black Panther shouldn't have happened, cause that's what it sounds like.
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