Here is Anthony Mackie saying the same exact thing and he is in the movies.
His take starts at about 45 seconds of this video.
Marvel woke up today and said......let me remind y'all who the fuck we are!!
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His take starts at about 45 seconds of this video.
Here is Anthony Mackie saying the same exact thing and he is in the movies.
Probably the realest I've heard someone in that industry get. He touches on a few subjects but one of problems he speaks on, such as people going to films to see a character rather than an actor or deciding to see a movie based on Rotten Tomatoes, is a result of fandom's influence on film.
Nowadays, you have fanboys who want their favorite video games and comics turned into films and while they may have an actor in mind, their main concern is getting a movie based on whatever they're a fan of. So, film has become less about celebrity and more about the content. That's not necessarily a bad thing but, as with anything else, there are unintended and unforeseen consequences to that.
Black people ain’t supporting it like last time. What is the backlash?
Man that 2nd week dropoff for BP2 was huge, I guess the online backlash is real.
Who are you rushing to see. Name the actor that people are rushing to see? If it ain’t then who is bringing people to theatres?
Tom cruise is one of the last movie stars
Well, we went decades without it being a big problem. First superman came out in the 70s. Stayed relatively true to source material.1989 batman the same. Xmen is over 20 years old and did the same.
It's only in recent years where weirdos out in Hollywood have went full retard. We got recent articles showing how creators of shows actually ain't fans of the source material and despise it.
We now have studios shitting on fans while products are bombing. Fandom hasn't been influencing none of the failures of the new marvel. It's the dissing of fans that's doing it.
I know it ain't a Marvel film or related, but the recent A Christmas Story Christmas is how to keep fans and new audiences relatively happy. Shit ain't that hard. Now watch how Marvel just butchers Xmen 97 when it ain't that hard to keep fans happy while catering to new ones. Hell, Cobra Kai masters that shit too. They cater to fans while growing new characters.
Mackie knows it's about the fans. If it wasn't for the fans of the source material, wouldn't even be a reason to make the movies in the first place. Source material is bigger than the actors, writers, and whoever the fucking director thinks they are.
Nothing before the Internet is comparable. Before the Internet, fans pretty much just had conventions and fan clubs where they could exchange letters and things.Well, we went decades without it being a big problem. First superman came out in the 70s. Stayed relatively true to source material.1989 batman the same. Xmen is over 20 years old and did the same.
It's only in recent years where weirdos out in Hollywood have went full retard. We got recent articles showing how creators of shows actually ain't fans of the source material and despise it.
We now have studios shitting on fans while products are bombing. Fandom hasn't been influencing none of the failures of the new marvel. It's the dissing of fans that's doing it.
I know it ain't a Marvel film or related, but the recent A Christmas Story Christmas is how to keep fans and new audiences relatively happy. Shit ain't that hard. Now watch how Marvel just butchers Xmen 97 when it ain't that hard to keep fans happy while catering to new ones. Hell, Cobra Kai masters that shit too. They cater to fans while growing new characters.
Mackie knows it's about the fans. If it wasn't for the fans of the source material, wouldn't even be a reason to make the movies in the first place. Source material is bigger than the actors, writers, and whoever the fucking director thinks they are.
Once the Internet came about, it allowed message boards dedicated to a particular franchise to exist and people could discuss it as much as they liked. It transformed fandom into an entirely different animal.
There isn't necessarily anything wrong with this but these groups can get kind of weird. They often don't respect late-comers to a franchise or people who know less than they do about it. They're also extremely picky.
Furthermore, they often know very little about film. What they want to see in a movie may not be the best choice if you're trying to get asses in the seats.
As far as fillmmakers not necessarily being fans of the source material goes, that's life. Filmmakers are generally fans of film unsurprisingly. Other subjects like literature, video games or comic books may only be a minor interest for them at best. You really can't expect there to be fans of everything in the film industry.
And don't let me go into how toxic these fandoms can get when it comes to race and sex.
Imagine if Twitter was around when the first x-men was made. The fans wanted Angela to play Storm.... instead we got Halle due to ageism and name recognition. Idgaf how these old directors think because casting is accurate, diverse and known actors are signing up.
Looking forward to Secret Invasion.
Looking forward to Secret Invasion.
His movies are much like the marvel shit. Ain’t no deepness in then.
I been buying comic books since 1982. One of the first comic books I remember reading I was probably 4 or 5 and somebody left it in my mama's car was an early Black Panther comic book with Man-Ape's first appearance. Having said that I ain't interested in nothing from Marvel. My Disney+ subscription ended November 12th and I didn't renew it. The only thing I am excited about is seeing that new Mission Impossible and John Wick.
But he's a movie star
What movie besides thor are people trying to see Hemsworth in?
I'm excited about those 2 also
I'm kinda getting tired of marvel.
Feels like the quality is dropping
I didn't watch the last episode of moon knight
Watched 1 episode of Ms marvel and 1 episode of she Hulk.
The other movie he was in!! Smh. What exactly are you talking about?
Extraction and Extraction Part 2?
Extraction and Extraction Part 2?
Ms marvel was outstanding
But bro remember this...
You are not supposed to like EVERYTHING.
I collected comics for decades
I didn't like EVERY single comic book ever printed
Marvel and DC were still dope
Redman is the greatest
I don't like every album the same.
I ain't boycott Def Jam
Also it's not MARVEL.
I notice many act like that is its own GENRE of film
Antman was a heist film Ms marvel was coming of age winter soldier was a political thriller
Yes super hero is the common thread but again
The fact that at ANY POINT
you or anyone else can honest say I liked EVERYTHING marvel dropped for damn 2 decades???
Isn't THAT kinda impressive?
Remember when folk would buy ANYTHING with a Wu tang symbol?
Would you have said the same thing?
Not everything is for everybody
That is not and cannot be a referendum of the ENTIRE company.
They can't just make movies for YOU.
Other people have the right to enjoy superhero movies too.
My kids like some, their mom likes other, even my mom likes certain ones
And some we share.
I'm very confused why that concept is so difficult for many to grasp.
You one of my favorite mcs imagine if I acted like that with EVERY SINGLE VERSE you dropped?
Jon rapping about chicks
now he a feminist
Jon rapping about coke
Now he supporting drugs
Jon rapping lyrical again
he on that backpack sh*t
Jon rapping about George floyd
He woke now?
See what I'm saying?
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It just feels like the shows and this phase haven't been up to par imo
Bro your opinion is valid
That's not what I'm saying
I'm saying is are you NOT ENJOYING it becomes its bad?
Or because these soecific projects are not directed created written or targeted for YOU?
I think it's not at the level it once was
Not saying it's terrible but it's not at the same level
Maybe spread too thin.
I liked pretty much everything, some more than others, but I liked everything prior to this phase.
And I still like this phase but not like the prior ones.
They had me copping the disc on release date and buying figures lol
I understand
And again you right to feel that way.
I'm saying those films of that early run...
Are NOT like the TV shows and latest movies
Deliberately so.
They are much more targeted and specific to a specific genre and audience
They aren't as "accessible " in a sense (not the best word I was looking for)
That ain't saying they better or worse
In fact I actually agree the movies haven't been the same in overall quality and pacing.
But there is also a whole lot of revisionist history
People HATED Iron man 2 and 3 and damn near every Thor.
Now they are classic favorites and people claim to love every single movie BEFORE this one.
That's REALLY interesting to me.
Cause the threads are still here.
One day go back and check how people felt about some of those early films in real time.
Chris Evans was very popular in Knives Out. His looking sexy in that sweater was trending for days on twitter. He also had alot of attention for voicing Buzz Lightyear.
It didn't do too well, probably due to the chemistry not being there, but MIB international got the buzz it did because if Hemsworth and Tessa being in Ragnarok, and I've only watched previous work of his because of the avengers.
Jeremy Renner has been in tons of stuff. My favorite is Hansel and Gretle witch hunters.
I think the reason you don't see things marketed as an xyz actor film is that there is more diversity and multiple people getting roles. It used to be an Eddie Murphy or Will Smith, or Denzel film, but now there is more than one major actor doing comedy or action plus all the streaming services are putting out their own content, so some of the most popular stuff is full of less known actors and never hits the theater.
Also for the marvel and DC stuff, it is more character driven. Their best stuff has multiple characters who are either big names on their own or have become so because of their individual movie titles, so they share the spotlight and the consumer interest has been on the directors and how they bring the vision to life since the casting is usually on point.
Even with Keanu Reeves, people aren't buzzing about the next Reeves film, they want the next John Wick. It's all character centric. Halle Berry was the most recent in the past couple of years I've heard referred to as a Halle Berry movie. I never did end up watching that tho.
Yeah, I went back that far just because of the success of those films. But my point still stands, because all this nonsense didn't happen until recently. While things would be altered, source material was respected a lot more until the last decade. Because fandom is the only fucking reason Iron Man existed. Now it's fuck fandom.
How toxic would BGOL get if Marvel made blade an asian woman, made blade gay, or made blade a secondary character in his own fucking movie just to push a woman? 20 pages with database errors.
Meanwhile, Marvel would be on twitter tell 'cis' black men to kick rocks and claiming any criticism cats had was 'review bombing', homophobic, or whatever. Yeah racists/sexists out there in the fandom, but hard to tell who is who(outside blatant slurs) when weirdos are twisting source material. Because we will have to merge threads when they fuck over a black male character. And the way things going, that day is coming sooner than you think. And yeah, I'm going to be toxic as hell.
Mackie is spot on about fans. Marvel is losing touch with what brought them success. The ability to satisfy fans who built the fucking source material while adapting source material for film. We don't even get any of this if they pulled what they pulling now with the first Iron man.
That's what tarantino was saying that people are going to see these actors for the character in the marvel movies. Outside of that they aren't doing numbers. As apposed to back in the day people would go see whatever the actor was in, they were the star.
that's tricky
So when Tarantino cast folk did they start getting a bunch of roles?
Sam Jackson was the man always
Now Travolta you COULD make a case but he never did another Tarantino movie and his career hit a wall.
Did people see the actors QT cast for HIS movies for the actors?
Or for the director?
His argument to me while I UNDERSTAND what he is saying?
Is overall bullsh*t you could you could say that about EVERY F*CKING ACTOR
You can get typecast in MANY wats...
Or come from TV and be typecast
or be locked in a Franchise and be typecast
character actors can be typecast
What Vin Diesel doing outside Fast Furious? But is he HURTING?
I LOVE the rock he is a legit movie star but you REALLY want to check his box office for his last 6 movies where he had to carry the film solo?
So AGAIN his point can be directed at EVERY STUDIO.
The MOVIE BUSINESS done changed.
Sidebar...
QT is gonna IGNORE the huge Netflix deals Marvel and actors and directors got the past DECADE?
Mackie Helmsworth Russo brothers...
How EVERY actor is KILLING to get ANY part in a Marvel movie?
Tell QT with all due respect to shut the f*ck up and make Kill Bill 3 already.
Its hilarious how no gives a sh*t about DC movies when they making these declarations.
Its not just movies. Back in the 80's super models were big. Naomi Campbell, Cindy Crawford, Iman, Gisele, Tyra Banks. Now name one model from the past 10 years that you know of because of fashion and not the celebrity they are dating. The focus has changed. I think it will continue to evolve.
That xmas special was garbage.
I haven't checked it yet but all the streaming stuff has been pretty forgettable
The business has changed but is it for the better?
Business is CONSTANTLY changing.
some benefits some setbacks
that will NEVER change.
white dudes like him only complain when it suits their interests to do so.