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spider705

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I'm still confused how Giannis goes at Harden

TWICE

IN FRONT OF A NATIONAL AUDIENCE

UNPROVOKED

And dudes out here MAD Harden even responded

Wtf is that?
3 times actually

Remember, when he drafted Kemba he called him the "cross over killer, STEP BACK MASTER" Kemba Walker.

say what you want about him, but James Harden is the first person to really shoot a consistent step back in the league. He became very good at the euro step but that was Manu Ginobili that started that...
 

jack walsh13

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Horford gotta fuckin go. I'm thinking Horford to the Spurs, Derozen to the Wizards and Beal to the Sixers. Throw in a draft pick and Korkmaz, Ziare Smith in for somebody and make that shit happen Elton Brand.

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M.H.C.

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3 times actually

Remember, when he drafted Kemba he called him the "cross over killer, STEP BACK MASTER" Kemba Walker.

say what you want about him, but James Harden is the first person to really shoot a consistent step back in the league. He became very good at the euro step but that was Manu Ginobili that started that...

You know like I know that Harden's step back will never get all the love(by the masses) simply because of how it looks. It's unstoppable but it doesn't look clean. It looks like a travel even when it's not. No knock but if we're talking about public opinion it's true. Just look under any Harden step back video lol.

As far as the cleanest step back, MPJ coming for the crown.



^^^This had no purpose in the convo but you know I always gotta that in there :lol:
 

playahaitian

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3 times actually

Remember, when he drafted Kemba he called him the "cross over killer, STEP BACK MASTER" Kemba Walker.

say what you want about him, but James Harden is the first person to really shoot a consistent step back in the league. He became very good at the euro step but that was Manu Ginobili that started that...

damn I had no idea it was THAT many times

WTF people want harden to do sit there and take it?

all those complaining how the league too buddy and soft can;t back Giannis and DIS Harden comments at the SAME time.
 

Llano

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I'm still confused how Giannis goes at Harden

TWICE

IN FRONT OF A NATIONAL AUDIENCE

UNPROVOKED

And dudes out here MAD Harden even responded

Wtf is that?

Cause the majority of BGOL along with most casual nba fans believe the hyperbolic criticisms the sports talking heads put out. Harden can't do no right in these niggas eyes even if he's defending himself.
 

Day_Carver

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I didn’t hear the “Outrage” by choice but James was right.

This year Giannis has been shooting jumpers and 3’s. But before that and still, he just uses his length to go through or around you to dunk. It’s a skill, but not highly skilled. It gets the job done and you use what you have.
Dude is still young and improving every year. There isn't a player his age or younger that I would rather have. If one is virtually impossible to stop already, wait until that one has a consistent jumper :eek2: hes a smaller shaq right now. They will flame out in the playoffs though; and when they do the whole dynamic of the league will change.....
 

Day_Carver

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Lakers are coming out the West most likely but my boys will be right there in the WCF. That's realistic expectations for this Nuggets team this year. Yeah playing like they played against the Clippers and other on teams on National TV won't get it done but that's not the norm for them. If it was, they wouldn't be where they are right now.
Your boys will be done in the 2nd round; they either playing clippers or rockets and they will not win either series....
 

REDLINE

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3 times actually

Remember, when he drafted Kemba he called him the "cross over killer, STEP BACK MASTER" Kemba Walker.

say what you want about him, but James Harden is the first person to really shoot a consistent step back in the league. He became very good at the euro step but that was Manu Ginobili that started that...

Maybe Giannis gets it from this, it was 9 years ago. :dunno:

 

REDLINE

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Cause the majority of BGOL along with most casual nba fans believe the hyperbolic criticisms the sports talking heads put out. Harden can't do no right in these niggas eyes even if he's defending himself.

Most “Casuals, Pros, Veteran’s and Retired Players” have an issue with the ways that he draws fouls.

The goal is to get to the line and get the other team in fouls trouble but it’s a bit much at times.

And yes most others do it but it’s not as bad as Harden.

Of course if you’re a Rockets fan you’ll have no idea what I’m talking about and feel that I’m being biased.

Dude is still young and improving every year. There isn't a player his age or younger that I would rather have. If one is virtually impossible to stop already, wait until that one has a consistent jumper :eek2: hes a smaller shaq right now. They will flame out in the playoffs though; and when they do the whole dynamic of the league will change.....

I didn’t want my reply to take away from his talent, he’s a very talented player. And yes he’ll continue to get better with age.

KD’s a good example seeing that they’re basically the same height. KD’s highly skilled and Giannis uses his height and length as an advantage, as he should. But in the past, that was his entire game. Length and height, he’s advanced since last year so we all have to give him credit.

But shitting on Harden when Harden’s highly skilled and Giannis simply took/takes very long steps to get around or through the defender isn’t an example of highly skilled.

Harden just kept it a buck, but Giannis is improving.
 

Day_Carver

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Most “Casuals, Pros, Veteran’s and Retired Players” have an issue with the ways that he draws fouls.

The goal is to get to the line and get the other team in fouls trouble but it’s a bit much at times.

And yes most others do it but it’s not as bad as Harden.

Of course if you’re a Rockets fan you’ll have no idea what I’m talking about and feel that I’m being biased.



I didn’t want my reply to take away from his talent, he’s a very talented player. And yes he’ll continue to get better with age.

KD’s a good example seeing that they’re basically the same height. KD’s highly skilled and Giannis uses his height and length as an advantage, as he should. But in the past, that was his entire game. Length and height, he’s advanced since last year so we all have to give him credit.

But shitting on Harden when Harden’s highly skilled and Giannis simply took/takes very long steps to get around or through the defender isn’t an example of highly skilled.

Harden just kept it a buck, but Giannis is improving.
He definitely uses his athletic ability but that's what one is supposed to do when they dont knowb how to play the game. I like players who improve every year and that is what he has done. KD isn't a fair comparison; no one can be compared to KD; I dont have any issues with what harden has said; especially since he was basically responding to comments that G was saying. I think there are a lot of players who dont like each other and that's fine. They just dont voice it anymore.....
 

largebillsonlyplease

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3 times actually

Remember, when he drafted Kemba he called him the "cross over killer, STEP BACK MASTER" Kemba Walker.

say what you want about him, but James Harden is the first person to really shoot a consistent step back in the league. He became very good at the euro step but that was Manu Ginobili that started that...

We're fam but Harden is not the first to shoot a consistent step back.
He's great at it at this point right now for sure though.
 

playahaitian

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Spike Lee done watching Knicks at MSG this season
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The New York Knicks may have won on Monday night, but they will be without their biggest fan for the rest of the season.
Appearing on ESPN's First Take on Tuesday morning, Spike Lee said he won't return to his Madison Square Garden courtside seats this season.
"I'm coming back next year, but I'm done for the season," Lee said. "I'm done."
Lee's comments come a day after he and the Knicks had a disagreement over which entrance the award-winning screenwriter and director could use. A video circulated online showing Lee yelling at Garden security outside an elevator, leading some to say he was thrown out of the arena. But a Knicks spokesman said that was untrue and that it was simply an issue of Lee using the wrong entrance.
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Lee and Knicks owner James Dolan could be seen shaking hands and smiling at halftime, and Lee was in his sideline seat for the second half.
Lee classified the Knicks' version of events as "spin" and said that he's being "harassed by James Dolan. I don't know why."
The 62-year-old Academy Award winner said that despite his moratorium on MSG this season, he'll be back for the 2020-21 campaign.
 

playahaitian

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Spike Lee says he won't attend another Knicks game this season after 'being harassed by James Dolan' at MSG
Things got heated after a disagreement over which entrance Lee should be using at Madison Square Garden






Legendary movie director and Knicks superfan Spike Lee has been attending games at Madison Square Garden for 28 years. He has seen some truly awful basketball but has remained a constant fixture in the court-side seats of MSG through the team's ups and downs, always supporting orange and blue. However, after a bizarre dispute before the Knicks' game against the Houston Rockets Monday night, Lee says he won't be attending another game this season.
It should've been a celebratory night for the Knicks after pulling off a huge upset win over the Rockets in which rookie RJ Barrett had the best game of his young career. Plus earlier in the day, the team named Leon Rose as the president of basketball operations. Before the game even started, though, a video purporting to Lee being denied access to the arena blew up on Twitter.
"No one told me!" Lee is heard yelling over and over. "I'm staying right here! Now if you want to arrest me like Charles Oakley, then go ahead!"



Lee's name was trending on Twitter before the game ended, but he was later pictured court side in his usual seats during the game. The Knicks released a statement saying there was confusion about what entrance Lee should be using, and he was not kicked out of the game, but rather redirected. It was treated as one big misunderstanding by the Knicks, but after an appearance on ESPN's "First Take" Tuesday morning, Lee said that not only will he not be attending another Knicks game this season, but that he's being harassed by the team's owner.

"I'm being harassed by James Dolan, and I don't know why," Lee said. "How is it the wrong entrance if I've been using the same entrance for 28 years! It's Garden spin!"
Lee explained what happened last night at the Knicks game that turned into a viral video on Twitter. The director said that after entering the employee entrance to MSG and getting his ticket scanned, security told him that he had to leave the arena and enter on the other side. Lee said Knicks owner James Dolan approached Lee at halftime saying the two needed to talk, but Lee did not want to hear what he had to say.

The Knicks and Dolan have a history of incidents similar to this one at MSG. As Lee references, they once kicked Charles Oakley out of a game, and last season Dolan banned a fan from MSG for life for telling him to sell the team. Monday night was a perfect example of the Knicks being a dysfunctional franchise. It didn't matter that the team beat the Rockets behind the strength of Barrett, because the drama going on behind the scenes became the story. The situation is magnified even more since Lee is the most recognizable Knicks fan there and is essentially a free marketing tool for the franchise.
When "First Take" told Lee that he's spent nearly $10 million over 30 years of his Knicks fandom -- $300,000 per season -- Lee jokingly said he "looks stupid" considering the lack of success and the level of dysfunction within the Knicks franchise. Still, though, as long as situations like this continue within the Knicks organization -- mainly because of Dolan -- this team will continue to be the laughingstock of the league.
 

Llano

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I really respect you guys and he's your guy
it's all good on that regard.
But Michael Jordan literally did the stepback jumper his entire career lol
his most iconic shot is a crossover stepback jumper lol

Bro I was a big Jordan fan growing up, I watched him every time I could. I don't recall him doing stepbacks... mid range pull up fadeaways & back to the basket fadeaways yes but I don't remember stepbacks.

Maybe we're at a confusion of what we consider stepbacks but as far as 3 point step backs, I haven't seen cats prior to Harden do the same shot consistently.
 

spider705

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I just responded with one name that shuts it all down there are more but Michael Jordan immediately came to mind it was not a good assertion lol

It'd be like me saying Michael Jordan invented the fadeaway when he didn't
When I think MJ I only think fadeaway... and 2 dribbles, stop and pop... I have NEVER thought of step back and MJ in the same thought

And I don't recall saying Harden invented the step back, I simply said he's the one that shoots it CONSISTENTLY and before him, it was not being done at the frequency which it is now
 

REDLINE

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He definitely uses his athletic ability but that's what one is supposed to do when they dont knowb how to play the game. I like players who improve every year and that is what he has done. KD isn't a fair comparison; no one can be compared to KD; I dont have any issues with what harden has said; especially since he was basically responding to comments that G was saying. I think there are a lot of players who dont like each other and that's fine. They just dont voice it anymore.....

Agreed and yes he’s “Supposed” to use his athletic ability. But in the past when watching, his skill level was very low and I mentioned it. Toronto displayed that in the playoffs last year.

But he’s improved and is improving, Harden was talking shit back like he was supposed to.

There’s no true rivalries anymore so it’s hard to get players to truly dislike each other.
 

largebillsonlyplease

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Bro I was a big Jordan fan growing up, I watched him every time I could. I don't recall him doing stepbacks... mid range pull up fadeaways & back to the basket fadeaways yes but I don't remember stepbacks.

Maybe we're at a confusion of what we consider stepbacks but as far as 3 point step backs, I haven't seen cats prior to Harden do the same shot consistently.

3 point step backs that's a specific thing
if you say that
yes
3 point stepbacks
but that's not what was said
it was stepbacks in league history lol
and that just wasn't the truth.
 
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