but he could help him if broner would listen.
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but he could help him if broner would listen.
Paulie is pretty much saying that Conor is not good at boxing.
I don't think he's done, but I don't think there is much that can be done to make him an 'elite' fighter either. The biggest issue with him more than anything is from the neck up. Dude is 28 years old now, and I believe he had confidence, but I also believe he's literally become what he has betrayed. A new trainer may help him in some areas, but ultimately, I don't think he is a 'professional' fighter, and for the great ones it's just in him. The flaws he has go far beyond what a trainer can give him. This Dude has access to the best to ever do it in Floyd, and potentially the best of his support system since he is promoted by him, he just doesn't get it.
His inability to let his hands go, etc. are noted because its obvious he's afraid to get hit... The way he was flinching whenever Garcia would even give him the slightest feint, all of those factors play into my view of him as a B-C level fighter.
His issues are from the neck up, and frankly, hes just not as good as he thinks he is, and that will always be his problem in my opinion.
At all... doesn't legitimize shit, actually makes it more of a side show.
Broner is 28 years old man. This shit isn't on his trainers, its on his stubborness and his thinking he's better than he really is, which limits him from seriously taking a look at his flaws and correcting them, because he comes off as the type of Dude who doesn't believe he has any...
All this is true but he's done because he's not likely to do any of this though the writings has been on the wall for some time.
I don't think Floyd Sr. would be a good fit for him since he needs someone to mentor him that he'll respect even outside of boxing.
Floyd Sr. can definitely tech him the skills in the ring but he needs guidance more than anything which Floyd Sr. can't provide IMO.
A trainer like Virgil Hunter along with stable mates like Andre Ward could turn his career around. Those brothers are dedicated to their craft and also appear to be solid, stand up brothers outside of the ring.
But all of that is on his trainer's.
Its a trainers job to expose and correct the fighters stubbornness, make the fighter aware of and correct their flaws, and to hold them accountable.
Don't get me wrong the fighter has to be willing to cooperate with this but if the trainers don't take any shit and demand respect this can be accomplished.
The problem is that Adrien's trainers lost his respect and any influence the moment he got a little paper and a taste of fame.
Agree with a lot of what you are saying here...time don't stand still either so while he is working on himself other folks are getting better...I think him at the top level is done too...he may win a minor championship here or there due to how boxing is currently setup but his days as official top man of a division are done
Him not trying harder in that last round is a major red flag for future development prospects...the man who was clearly leading the fight threw twice as many punches as he did...not sure what a new team can do about that
AB's problem tonight was: He was scared. If he wasn't he would have pulled the trigger. AB, could have beat the shit out of Mikey. When he started kicking off in Mikey's ass, he was folding him. Point was he was scared going in. I have seen this shit a thousand times when I was fighting. Some one said it earlier, he was beat before he got in the ring. IF AB would have thrown more punches while he was running his damn mouth, he could of easily won that fight. My opinion. But, AB was scared.
Fam, the boxer pays the trainer. That's why I said in another post, Broner is not a professional fighter. There a difference between regular stubbornness and arrogant stubbornness. You can't hold an extremely arrogant fighter accountable because of their mentality. His trainers didn't lose his respect Bruh, his arrogance took over when he started making money and getting attention. He doesn't respect anybody or anything and that will be or is becoming his downfall... Defiance is not the friend of improvement...
No he couldn't.... To say he was scared is really making excuses for him. He fought the same way he always fights when he has real competition in front of him and it has more to do with him just not being as good as he thinks he is as anything else....
Also, not sure what fight you saw, but a 10 second flurry here and there does not a 'kicking off in Mickey's ass' make. Garcia dominated 85% of this fight and was never in any real trouble and to say he was folding him is overblowing a few good punches landed...
Broner is not and was not in Garcia's class as a fighter. He's a flashy athletic fighter and Garcia is a professional fighter and the gap between them was evident as hell...
He wants Floyd to train him...not his dad.
Dude is blessed with fast hands but is stationary. Very hittable. Paulie said he has to reinvent himself and I agree.
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Got dayum 78 had the whole tub of butter on that damn sammich. 
Garcia had fought a damn good fight tonight!!..His punches that he landed were good and clean..He gave AB that worked in this fight!!.
.Hes a damn good fighter!!..Man, fuck AB!!..I been was sayin this for a long time that this dude cant fight!!..Hang it up homie cause its over!!..
.Hes a damn good fighter!!..Man, fuck AB!!..I been was sayin this for a long time that this dude cant fight!!..Hang it up homie cause its over!!..
Oh Shit u know u wrong for that playa
That would be disastrous.
Floyd's a great student of the game but I can't see him being able to teach it.
I think Floyd is a sponge when it comes to boxing but I don't think that he would be able to teach it effectively.
Great athletes seem to be horrible at relaying their knowledge to others.
very true...however May has been doing a good job bringing Tank along so far...Floyd would never waste his time with a joker like Broner
BloodBoxing even got Gambeino to lift his head tonight.
Got dayum 78 had the whole tub of butter on that damn sammich.
Yeah he did
He said fuck it, go hard or go home.
Broner is a dummy and that can't be fixed.
Broner too stubborn for Floyd or his pops to work with him. Remember few years ago when his was trying to mentor him and dude thought he was just bigger than he was and wanted to do whatever
Because he had the WBC belt at 154, so when a fighter moves up who was the Champ gets highly ranked by the same sanctioning body in the ratings.
When Crawford went to 140 he was able to fight for the WBO belt quickly because he was the Champ at 135.
Tank listens to Floyd.
I didn't say AB won the fight. He lost, and he lost big, but when he pressed Garcia, and landed, he was folding him. No, there are not excuses, but AB was scared. I fought for 13 years as a pretty good amateur. So, I know when a mofo is fighting scared. He was afraid of getting caught. He would not open up. True, AB fights like that all the time, but he throws more punches. Shit, Paulie Magganali fought a better fight then Garcia. Mikey hits hard, but he has nothing that is special about him. Go back and watch it again, when AB did throw punches that landed, he was hurting Garcia and he could have easily won that fight if he would have thrown some punches. Oh, AB is a damn good fighter, but he needs to throw more punches, and change his style a bit. I think that is the problem with most of these fighters today. They are afraid to get hit. This is fighting, you supposed to get hit. That's why you go all out in training to prepare for that shit. So, you are right when you say Garcia works harder than Broner. I will not say that Broner is not a professional. The difference between a pro and an amateur is one gets paid and the other does not. Now, Garcia's work ethic is better than Broner. There is no question there. Now, what would have made AB win the fight and cut down on the work product of Mikey Garcia. Real simple. AB's hook was working on Garcia when he threw it. So, AB should have made Garcia throw punches across his body, allowing his left hand to connect with the punch that was causing Garcia problems. AB did not have to run. All he has to do was keep his left foot on the outside of Garcia's left foot and throw the lead jab and hook. Garcia would have to reset every time he tried to get off his power punch. Oh, I would tell every fighter to have a good body game. Going down stairs takes the power out of a fighters punches and it takes your energy. Over ten or twelve rounds, even if the other guy is better then you, the middle of the fight you will both be even by then. Body work takes it out of you. If he would have done those two things he would the made the fight a lot easier and he might have stopped Garcia also.
He wasn't stopping Garcia and really didn't hurt him much which is why I pointed out your 'folding' him assessment is a bit overboard. He landed a few decent punches but he doesn't throw more against a quality fighter because his fundamentals are wack and if he opens up HE gets knocked out not Garcia. Broner pulls straight back and drops hands in exchanges and against a professional fighter like Garcia he would have been slept. That's why I'm not overly impressed with these flashy fighters, more flash than substance Bruh.
Garcia has been in wars with real fighters. A fighter like Broner would have to get a lucky shot.
BloodBoxing got my stomach in knots.
"You ain't about billions any more, my man. You about quarters and about nickles. You about pennies, my n*gga. AP. That should be your new name."
"You ain't about billions any more, my man. You about quarters and about nickles. You about pennies, my n*gga. AP. That should be your new name."
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Got DAYUMN, Blood. This nigga sent you over the edge like THAT? How much money did you LOSE on this fight?