I personally hope having all the worlds connected now will give that show the ability to be a little more lighter and fun on occasion and benefit from the talent on the other shows and visa versa give the other WB show some "blackness"
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I personally hope having all the worlds connected now will give that show the ability to be a little more lighter and fun on occasion and benefit from the talent on the other shows and visa versa give the other WB show some "blackness"
I actually wouldn't want that Tuskegee experiment inspired storyline to disappear
But having ARGUS now be in bed with other shadow agencies within this new universe is intriguing.
I don't want to lose the " black" show.
We have Post Crisis trailers people...
Looks like Lena still has her memories... Shit..
So I've got some issues... He says he traveled to an alternative dimension.. but now that everything has merged... Why does that matter... See Black Lightning is already fucking it up.
Looks like Lena still has her memories... Shit..
So I've got some issues... He says he traveled to an alternative dimension.. but now that everything has merged... Why does that matter... See Black Lightning is already fucking it up.
I will say that the back half of Supergirl looks like it's going to be fucking Fantastic....
You have Lex basically being the Lex we knew from the Justice League cartoon and I'm all for it...
I have always been a fan of the version of Lex where the Public sees him as a Hero but in reality he is a Super Villian...
I might be Ok with a Green Arrow and Canaries series as long as Diggle is involved...
I read the synopsis for the next Black Lightning episode and it looks like they continue where they left off.
If everybody else's world has changed why is Black Lightning the same?
And,one more thing about the crossover,I dont understand,why they tried to put that stupid ass storyline from Supergirl in it. It's bad enough I have major issues with it...
Lena being mad is stupid to me.
I wish they finish that stupid ass arc...
Lena being mad is stupid to me.
I wish they finish that stupid ass arc...
I wonder,did they thought about having someone from the Gotham TV show having a cameo....
Yeah, I'm confused by that. And he lost his family.
Peep the trailer that I just posted...They are wasting a golden opportunity.
Let me get home to properly address this wanton tomfoolery.
DC better not be out here back sliding
DC just can't help deeceeing
My cuz came out the bullpen with the wicked slider ...
BOOM
that is what was needed especially to establish batwoman
Yeah I'm praying that with Lex being back.. that they can move on from Lena being mad at Kara and focus on just Lex...
He'll, the girl playing Selina can play her in Batwoman too, and Ivy.
Yeah like.... of all the Stories that should have changed with this new world... It has to be Black Lightning..
Like the A.S.A. doesn't really make sense now.. since Black Lightning is in a World that has Argus.
And what's the point of the Resistance when Jefferson is now friends with a fucking Supergirl, Flash, and Batwoman.....and Diggle fucking wife is in charge of Argus.
Once again BeeBo became my favorite part to watch 
^^^^^^^
Then they should have just left Black Lightning on its on damn Earth.
Cause otherwise this is all bullsh*t
What the hell???
DC can't let us be happy for them???!!
Why wont they let us love them?
Wtf???!!!
They wasted Kevin Conroy...imo
I will say this,the Ezra cameo now makes me interested in Flashpoint...whenever they start filming it.
Do you think they'll do "Infinite Crisis" since that's the direct sequel to "Crisis On Infinite Earths" in the comic....
Also,do you put this on the same level as Infinity War and Endgame..
Easy there cowboy...... It was good for tv, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Now had they involved Doom Patrol, Titans and Swamp Thing...maybe, just maybe it could be better than End Game, but not IW.
Yea i bet down the line theyll go back to that"such and such character cant be used on this or that show" BS
Did anyone else find it odd that there wasn’t a single Gotham cameo in this. I was really hoping for a Gotham bit .... I mean fucking Lucifer showed up and dude is on Netflix.
Once again BeeBo became my favorite part to watch
This is why I fucking love Legends... gawd damn Beebo... and everything surrounding him was awesome.
I’m going to go out on the limb and jump on the showrunners back if they miss this opportunity to bring back viewers and energize the show.
Without Oliver there is a great chance for Jefferson to take a more commanding role in this Justice League but people have to care about him...
This would have been a great way to remove all the soap opera that entered the show. Like how can these worlds merge and people now know that the hero’s team up all the time.. yet we have Freeland still under military control..
Shouldn’t Black Lightning be able to say.. Hey Super friends I need some help in freeland. Or hell... I’ll raise the point again.. What is the point of any of the shit going on in Freeland if in this new world.. there are tons of people walking around with powers.. hell their should be aliens in Freeland now. There’s no need to lock up people.
I’m just curious to see how they do this.. but I don’t know fam... I feel like black lightning is going to make a huge mistake by trying to keep things the same.
they will go the young justice route
What a fucking travesty,how WarnerBros got rid of Swamp Thing...
Yo ansa you focused as a sniper on this one huh?
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I bet it will be Supergirl and Batwoman..as soon as Kara saw Kate appear during the Beebo fight she was like
looks like supergirl is seeing the immediate effects from the crisis
i'll take a wait and see approach with flash and BL
i'm still not sure about batwoman
i'll take a wait and see approach with flash and BL
i'm still not sure about batwoman
Ive seen it twice and it had great potential to be a great show...
Arrowverse EP: Ezra Miller's Flash Cameo Offers Hope of More DC TV and Movie 'Synergy'
Reflecting on a huge Flash crossover and the end of Oliver Queen's story.
By Jesse Schedeen
Updated: 17 Jan 2020 4:15 pm
Posted: 17 Jan 2020 3:07 pm
To say Crisis on Infinite Earths was a huge undertaking is putting it mildly. The CW's latest superhero crossover was by far its most ambitious, drawing in dozens of heroes from all corners of DC's live-action multiverse, including a cameo from the DC movies' version of The Flash, Ezra Miller.
This crossover wouldn't have happened without the guiding hand of executive producer (and longtime Arrowverse veteran) Marc Guggenheim. As the dust settles, we were able to chat with Guggenheim on the phone to learn more about what's next for the Arrowverse after Crisis on Infinite Earths. Below, Guggenheim sheds more light on how Miller's surprise cameo came to be and how the ramifications of Crisis will play out across all the shows.
Making Ezra Miller's Flash Cameo Happen
One of the most surprising things about Ezra Miller's cameo in Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 4 isn't just that The CW was able to keep it a secret, but that Warner Bros. signed off on creating a direct link between the Arrowverse and the DC movie universe. Historically, WB Television has always been limited in terms of what DC characters it can and can't use. This cameo suggests the relationship between WB TV and the movies division has evolved, and that the TV side is working with more freedom than it has in the past.
"I think the relationship has always been good," said Guggenheim. "I think sometimes the Internet, because the Internet's always looking for conflict, it tries to make it out like we're at war with each other, we're angry, that we can't use Suicide Squad on Arrow or something, but it's like we're kind of old friends, and we'd go out and drink, and we are sort of bonded by our love for these characters."
That being said, Guggenheim does feel the cameo may open the doors to more collaboration between the two divisions in the future.
"I would say that the relationship over the years has changed as the various corporate decisions and mandates have changed," he said. "I think what's exciting about bringing in Ezra is that it offers the hope of a closer collaboration or a closer synergy - that's probably a better word - with television and theatrical. It's just an exciting time. We were also talking after we shot Ezra's scene, and we were all just so jazzed by merging these two characters and seeing them riff off of each other. It just really excited all of us. I can't predict, and it's not up to me to decide the next steps forward, but it was something we were all so excited about."
According to Guggenheim, there wasn't any pushback from WB theatrical regarding the content of the scene, including the twist that Miller's Barry Allen is inspired by Gustin's Barry to adopt the "Flash" name. If anything, Guggenheim said Miller himself was responsible for elevating the material and pushing it to a new level, comedically.
"Ezra and Grant ad-libbed some really fun material, like each of them are admiring each other's costumes," said Guggenheim. "It was there in the original draft, but it quite frankly just wasn't as funny as when they got on set and ad-libbed. Ezra, the way he's like, 'Oh, this is really comfortable,' and Grant's line... I think that the script just created the foundation for their interaction. Then Ezra and Grant took it the extra mile and really owned it."
The Secrets of Earth-Prime in Crisis on Infinite Earths
The creation of a new "Earth-Prime" is easily the most significant development in Crisis, as well as the one with the most far-reaching consequences. Where once shows like The Flash, Supergirl, and Black Lightning existed on separate worlds, all of The CW's DC shows now take place on the same Earth-Prime. That twist raises a number of interesting and tricky questions, questions which the various Arrowverse shows will address in the coming weeks and months, something Guggenheim refers to as "huge story potential."
"Each show kind of expresses different elements of those continuity storylines differently," he said. "I'll give you an example, like the merging of the various Earths into Earth-Prime, that has a direct effect on the events of Legends of Tomorrow Season 5. You won't actually know exactly how that all works out until about midway through the season when we explain it to you, but you'll see that, basically, the events in Season 5 could not have happened if Earth-Prime hadn't existed."
Guggenheim continued, "There's a really great twist coming up in Batwoman, for example. I think, appropriately, Crisis really does set up the Arrow series finale. The Arrow series finale, let's put it this way, would be extremely different if not for Crisis, but I think that would all be fair to say without spoiling anything."
Connecting The CW and DC Universe
Perhaps the biggest difference between The CW's version Crisis and the original 1985 comic series involves the multiverse itself. The comic ended with the multiverse being eliminated entirely, leaving only one world and one group of heroes. The TV version, by comparison, effectively restored the multiverse as it was, with the only apparent changes being the creation of Earth-Prime and the old Earth-2 being replaced by a new version that will serve as the setting for DC Universe's Stargirl.
While it goes without saying that Crisis was never going to end with the elimination of the DCEU or other fan-favorite universes like Smallville, we were curious if Guggenheim and his collaborators ever considered rolling the other Greg Berlanti-produced shows like Titans and Doom Patrol into Earth-Prime, creating a true Berlanti-verse. Guggenheim told us the idea was briefly toyed with early on, but it was never a serious consideration.
"We never strongly considered combining everything under a single banner, in large part because it's one thing for all of us 'Arrowverse shows' to be together because we're all in the same building, we're all working on the same network, we're all working together. All the other shows, they are often their own logistical pockets."
Guggenheim continued, "I will say the showrunners of those shows were very, very gracious letting us have access to their characters and to pick up their characters and all of that, but we didn't want to dictate their future. That also goes for the cast. I can't remember - because it was so long ago that we first started talking about Crisis - but to the extent we ever discussed it, it was the most fleeting of thoughts."
For more on the epic Crisis finale, check out our review for the final two episodes and see what Stephen Amell thought of the Crisis ending.
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Reflecting on a huge Flash crossover and the end of Oliver Queen's story.
By Jesse Schedeen
Updated: 17 Jan 2020 4:15 pm
Posted: 17 Jan 2020 3:07 pm
To say Crisis on Infinite Earths was a huge undertaking is putting it mildly. The CW's latest superhero crossover was by far its most ambitious, drawing in dozens of heroes from all corners of DC's live-action multiverse, including a cameo from the DC movies' version of The Flash, Ezra Miller.
This crossover wouldn't have happened without the guiding hand of executive producer (and longtime Arrowverse veteran) Marc Guggenheim. As the dust settles, we were able to chat with Guggenheim on the phone to learn more about what's next for the Arrowverse after Crisis on Infinite Earths. Below, Guggenheim sheds more light on how Miller's surprise cameo came to be and how the ramifications of Crisis will play out across all the shows.
Making Ezra Miller's Flash Cameo Happen
One of the most surprising things about Ezra Miller's cameo in Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 4 isn't just that The CW was able to keep it a secret, but that Warner Bros. signed off on creating a direct link between the Arrowverse and the DC movie universe. Historically, WB Television has always been limited in terms of what DC characters it can and can't use. This cameo suggests the relationship between WB TV and the movies division has evolved, and that the TV side is working with more freedom than it has in the past.
"I think the relationship has always been good," said Guggenheim. "I think sometimes the Internet, because the Internet's always looking for conflict, it tries to make it out like we're at war with each other, we're angry, that we can't use Suicide Squad on Arrow or something, but it's like we're kind of old friends, and we'd go out and drink, and we are sort of bonded by our love for these characters."
That being said, Guggenheim does feel the cameo may open the doors to more collaboration between the two divisions in the future.
"I would say that the relationship over the years has changed as the various corporate decisions and mandates have changed," he said. "I think what's exciting about bringing in Ezra is that it offers the hope of a closer collaboration or a closer synergy - that's probably a better word - with television and theatrical. It's just an exciting time. We were also talking after we shot Ezra's scene, and we were all just so jazzed by merging these two characters and seeing them riff off of each other. It just really excited all of us. I can't predict, and it's not up to me to decide the next steps forward, but it was something we were all so excited about."
According to Guggenheim, there wasn't any pushback from WB theatrical regarding the content of the scene, including the twist that Miller's Barry Allen is inspired by Gustin's Barry to adopt the "Flash" name. If anything, Guggenheim said Miller himself was responsible for elevating the material and pushing it to a new level, comedically.
"Ezra and Grant ad-libbed some really fun material, like each of them are admiring each other's costumes," said Guggenheim. "It was there in the original draft, but it quite frankly just wasn't as funny as when they got on set and ad-libbed. Ezra, the way he's like, 'Oh, this is really comfortable,' and Grant's line... I think that the script just created the foundation for their interaction. Then Ezra and Grant took it the extra mile and really owned it."
The Secrets of Earth-Prime in Crisis on Infinite Earths
The creation of a new "Earth-Prime" is easily the most significant development in Crisis, as well as the one with the most far-reaching consequences. Where once shows like The Flash, Supergirl, and Black Lightning existed on separate worlds, all of The CW's DC shows now take place on the same Earth-Prime. That twist raises a number of interesting and tricky questions, questions which the various Arrowverse shows will address in the coming weeks and months, something Guggenheim refers to as "huge story potential."
"Each show kind of expresses different elements of those continuity storylines differently," he said. "I'll give you an example, like the merging of the various Earths into Earth-Prime, that has a direct effect on the events of Legends of Tomorrow Season 5. You won't actually know exactly how that all works out until about midway through the season when we explain it to you, but you'll see that, basically, the events in Season 5 could not have happened if Earth-Prime hadn't existed."
Guggenheim continued, "There's a really great twist coming up in Batwoman, for example. I think, appropriately, Crisis really does set up the Arrow series finale. The Arrow series finale, let's put it this way, would be extremely different if not for Crisis, but I think that would all be fair to say without spoiling anything."
Connecting The CW and DC Universe
Perhaps the biggest difference between The CW's version Crisis and the original 1985 comic series involves the multiverse itself. The comic ended with the multiverse being eliminated entirely, leaving only one world and one group of heroes. The TV version, by comparison, effectively restored the multiverse as it was, with the only apparent changes being the creation of Earth-Prime and the old Earth-2 being replaced by a new version that will serve as the setting for DC Universe's Stargirl.
While it goes without saying that Crisis was never going to end with the elimination of the DCEU or other fan-favorite universes like Smallville, we were curious if Guggenheim and his collaborators ever considered rolling the other Greg Berlanti-produced shows like Titans and Doom Patrol into Earth-Prime, creating a true Berlanti-verse. Guggenheim told us the idea was briefly toyed with early on, but it was never a serious consideration.
"We never strongly considered combining everything under a single banner, in large part because it's one thing for all of us 'Arrowverse shows' to be together because we're all in the same building, we're all working on the same network, we're all working together. All the other shows, they are often their own logistical pockets."
Guggenheim continued, "I will say the showrunners of those shows were very, very gracious letting us have access to their characters and to pick up their characters and all of that, but we didn't want to dictate their future. That also goes for the cast. I can't remember - because it was so long ago that we first started talking about Crisis - but to the extent we ever discussed it, it was the most fleeting of thoughts."
For more on the epic Crisis finale, check out our review for the final two episodes and see what Stephen Amell thought of the Crisis ending.
Arrowverse EP: Ezra Miller's Flash Cameo Offers Hope of More DC TV and Movie 'Synergy' - IGN
We chat with executive producer Marc Guggenheim about Crisis on Infinite Earth's biggest cameo and what the future holds for the Arrowverse.