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Good call lad. He didn't even see out the month.
Villas-Boas sacked! Tottenham manager leaves post after Liverpool thrashing as Sherwood takes over for West Ham game
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-manager-leaves-post-Liverpool-thrashing.html
I can't understand the managerial carousel mentality that exists today to save my life.
So Daniel Levy brings in a guy, give him full reign of proceedings, lets him spend 100 million of his money, only to give him the sack 4 months later?
How exactly does this HELP your cause?
Yes, dude got blanketed at Littlepool and Shitty, but these things can happen when you're rebuilding. I've never been a fan of AVB's high line methods, and it was gonna be exposed sooner or later, particularly in England with pacey and technical forwards, but he wasn't given 6 months to at least get that right, and fully utilize that mad shopping spree?
Now whoever comes in, my guess is Di Matteo, is going to want his own lot to work with, rendering the current bunch a bit useless.
Seemed a harsh sacking to me, even by today's standards.
So Daniel Levy brings in a guy, give him full reign of proceedings, lets him spend 100 million of his money, only to give him the sack 4 months later?
How exactly does this HELP your cause?
Yes, dude got blanketed at Littlepool and Shitty, but these things can happen when you're rebuilding. I've never been a fan of AVB's high line methods, and it was gonna be exposed sooner or later, particularly in England with pacey and technical forwards, but he wasn't given 6 months to at least get that right, and fully utilize that mad shopping spree?
Now whoever comes in, my guess is Di Matteo, is going to want his own lot to work with, rendering the current bunch a bit useless.
Seemed a harsh sacking to me, even by today's standards.
"Fuck..."
I get they're in poor form, but it still seems early to pull the plug with that much bread on the line. I dunno, hopefully the next guy comes in and proves me wrong.
I'm not a fan of this match for Barca. City is tough at home and I don't like our defense against Kun, Nasri, Silva and that lot
My sentiments echoed from Gab. 
"Tottenham Hotspur lost 5-0 at home to Liverpool on Sunday, and less than 16 hours later, Andre Villas-Boas was no longer in charge at White Hart Lane.
In situations like these, many ask whether the manager "deserved to go." Only that's the wrong question.
Like any football club, Tottenham aren't about handing out gold stars for good performers. The issue of "deserving to go" only makes sense when juxtaposed with targets, some of which are subjective rather than objective. That's why when you make it about "merit," you can often get lost amid spin of every kind.
The more pertinent question is whether the club are better off with a different manager. And because it obviously depends on who that manager is -- if it's Pep Guardiola or Sir Alex Ferguson, probably "yes," but if it's Miley Cyrus or SpongeBob SquarePants, probably "no" -- you need to weigh the probability of the club getting a guy who is better.
As I understand it, even after the heavy defeat to Manchester City (6-0 on Nov. 24), the club believed that Villas-Boas remained the best option. They felt he showed last season that he could play a brand of football that was both entertaining and effective. The main reservations had to do with his personality and his reaction to adversity: his references to "hidden agendas" (even if they exist, it's generally not a good idea to discuss them in public), his bust-up with the medical staff and some strained personal relationships.
Still, the feeling was that he would steer his way out of it. That it was part of a learning curve for a man who -- lest we forget -- only turned 36 in October and whose coaching experience is limited to 45 months as a head coach and a decade as an advance scout.
By Sunday night that feeling was wavering, but it was still there. Before being shut out by Liverpool, Spurs had won four of five games, and the other was a draw against Manchester United. Yes, they had been awful against Liverpool, and much of it was down to Villas-Boas in terms of team selection and tactical approach. But maybe it was just another blip.
Besides, there was no obvious Plan B. Parting ways with a manager midseason means either you go with an interim boss while you pursue the guy you really want, or you settle for the best available option out there. But as you might imagine, most managers worth having are currently employed, and prying them loose midseason is expensive and difficult. Which means the "best available permanent option" often isn't great or, in any case, isn't not a better option than Villas-Boas.
That was the mindset heading into Tottenham's postmortem summit meeting Sunday night. When the meeting was over, the mindset had changed. And by the time they reconvened again Monday morning, it was more about managing Villas-Boas' exit.
So what happened between the final whistle on Sunday and the announcement Monday at 11 a.m. London time?
Parting ways with Villas-Boas was a big decision for Spurs. Now they face more.
We don't know. But every indication is that something did happen, something that convinced Tottenham that cutting Villas-Boas loose was the right decision. It's hard to explain otherwise, not least because there isn't an instant upgrade out there who is free to join immediately. But mostly because for all of Tottenham's ills -- and three truly wretched performances against Man City, West Ham and Liverpool -- there are only five clubs ahead of them in the table. And fourth place is just five points way.
What's next? My understanding is that Spurs were somewhat unprepared for this. The hunch would be some sort of internal solution (Tim Sherwood?) in the very short term while they consider whether to go with an interim boss until the summer, when many more quality managers will be available, or whether they try to prise their permanent boss loose from some other club.
If there is a silver lining to all this, it's the way Spurs are organized. Unlike some Premier League clubs, there was no omnipotent manager but rather a technical director (Franco Baldini) and a technical co-coordinator (Sherwood) who are responsible for the club's medium-term strategic vision. They ran the summer transfer campaign together with AVB and, presumably, they believe in the signings. What this means is that (again, presumably) in making the appointment, Spurs will choose someone who shares their vision and their belief in the summer newcomers.
That will spare the club what we so often see in the Premier League: a manager coming in midseason and demanding money to "bring in his own players." Whoever's appointed will have to take ownership of this squad from day one."
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/mondaymusings/id/738?cc=5901
"Tottenham Hotspur lost 5-0 at home to Liverpool on Sunday, and less than 16 hours later, Andre Villas-Boas was no longer in charge at White Hart Lane.
In situations like these, many ask whether the manager "deserved to go." Only that's the wrong question.
Like any football club, Tottenham aren't about handing out gold stars for good performers. The issue of "deserving to go" only makes sense when juxtaposed with targets, some of which are subjective rather than objective. That's why when you make it about "merit," you can often get lost amid spin of every kind.
The more pertinent question is whether the club are better off with a different manager. And because it obviously depends on who that manager is -- if it's Pep Guardiola or Sir Alex Ferguson, probably "yes," but if it's Miley Cyrus or SpongeBob SquarePants, probably "no" -- you need to weigh the probability of the club getting a guy who is better.
As I understand it, even after the heavy defeat to Manchester City (6-0 on Nov. 24), the club believed that Villas-Boas remained the best option. They felt he showed last season that he could play a brand of football that was both entertaining and effective. The main reservations had to do with his personality and his reaction to adversity: his references to "hidden agendas" (even if they exist, it's generally not a good idea to discuss them in public), his bust-up with the medical staff and some strained personal relationships.
Still, the feeling was that he would steer his way out of it. That it was part of a learning curve for a man who -- lest we forget -- only turned 36 in October and whose coaching experience is limited to 45 months as a head coach and a decade as an advance scout.
By Sunday night that feeling was wavering, but it was still there. Before being shut out by Liverpool, Spurs had won four of five games, and the other was a draw against Manchester United. Yes, they had been awful against Liverpool, and much of it was down to Villas-Boas in terms of team selection and tactical approach. But maybe it was just another blip.
Besides, there was no obvious Plan B. Parting ways with a manager midseason means either you go with an interim boss while you pursue the guy you really want, or you settle for the best available option out there. But as you might imagine, most managers worth having are currently employed, and prying them loose midseason is expensive and difficult. Which means the "best available permanent option" often isn't great or, in any case, isn't not a better option than Villas-Boas.
That was the mindset heading into Tottenham's postmortem summit meeting Sunday night. When the meeting was over, the mindset had changed. And by the time they reconvened again Monday morning, it was more about managing Villas-Boas' exit.
So what happened between the final whistle on Sunday and the announcement Monday at 11 a.m. London time?
Parting ways with Villas-Boas was a big decision for Spurs. Now they face more.
We don't know. But every indication is that something did happen, something that convinced Tottenham that cutting Villas-Boas loose was the right decision. It's hard to explain otherwise, not least because there isn't an instant upgrade out there who is free to join immediately. But mostly because for all of Tottenham's ills -- and three truly wretched performances against Man City, West Ham and Liverpool -- there are only five clubs ahead of them in the table. And fourth place is just five points way.
What's next? My understanding is that Spurs were somewhat unprepared for this. The hunch would be some sort of internal solution (Tim Sherwood?) in the very short term while they consider whether to go with an interim boss until the summer, when many more quality managers will be available, or whether they try to prise their permanent boss loose from some other club.
If there is a silver lining to all this, it's the way Spurs are organized. Unlike some Premier League clubs, there was no omnipotent manager but rather a technical director (Franco Baldini) and a technical co-coordinator (Sherwood) who are responsible for the club's medium-term strategic vision. They ran the summer transfer campaign together with AVB and, presumably, they believe in the signings. What this means is that (again, presumably) in making the appointment, Spurs will choose someone who shares their vision and their belief in the summer newcomers.
That will spare the club what we so often see in the Premier League: a manager coming in midseason and demanding money to "bring in his own players." Whoever's appointed will have to take ownership of this squad from day one."
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/mondaymusings/id/738?cc=5901
The comeback!
they never are. teams that do well suck most of the time on the actual tournament. look at germany for example.
and yall need to buy a nr 10 quick lol or just play kagawa
?? Context...
Back in action.
let me put it this way the further we go in a season the less the players will care about friendlies. if you are a top player you prolly still be playing for something whether its the champions leag, national leag cup or just the leag in general. so they willl want to save some energy for that. hell a lot of them dont want to get injured.
Gotcha, and while that maybe the case, it'd be daft to suggest that top players aren't vying for World Cup roster spots. Sure a few can walk on and be the catalyst to success, but many will be under the watchful eye of their national team managers to see if they it the whatever mold they like to achieve.
A very unique situation is Casillas at Madrid. The patron saint of Spanish goalkeeping is on the outside looking in at the moment regardless of what Del Bosque may claim. You're going to have to go with the player who's looking at consistent first team action, week in week out, not the opposite.
yes thats true. but i am talking about the players that are the stars of the team. messi, CR7, xavi, iniesta, neymar, RVP, rooney etc etc.
take your man robben
he is going to play regardless and i bet you the coach wont play him cause he sacred to lose a player like robben. the same goes for RVP. specially after all the injuries. now for people like caisllas its different because he has a difficulty keeeping(no pun) his spot athis own team. i agree with that.
another example is holland. remember the last European cup these fools went out of the tournament with 0 points. the world cup before they was in the finals and the friendlies they had going to european cup was good too.
yes thats true. but i am talking about the players that are the stars of the team. messi, CR7, xavi, iniesta, neymar, RVP, rooney etc etc.
take your man robben
now for people like caisllas its different because he has a difficulty keeeping(no pun) his spot athis own team. i agree with that.
another example is holland. remember the last European cup these fools went out of the tournament with 0 points. the world cup before they was in the finals and the friendlies they had going to european cup was good too.
Robben might be a bad example but I get what you're saying. I think if push comes to shove and Bayern are in the Champions League final at the end of May though... even with a World Cup starting just days after, you'd have to think Guardiola is going to throw the kitchen sink at whoever they're playing which means Robben, Ribery, Goetze, Muller, Mandzukic, Dante, Lahm, Gomez are all going to be worked until the last day.
exaclty
but how is robben a bad example?
edit: oh i meant the coach of the national team not bayern my bad
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A true legend died, Eusebio:
Considered by Alfredo Di Stéfano to be the greatest player of all time.
Considered by Alfredo Di Stéfano to be the greatest player of all time.
A true legend died, Eusebio:
Considered by Alfredo Di Stéfano to be the greatest player of all time.
rip
mcp stay crying in the car
Jokes on Walcott now, he's out for 6 months.
Lol that's normal news he is never fit and when he is it only last 2 games lol
Atletico play like that regardless of the opponent. I was super surprised that Pique shut down Costa.
Congratulations and all that Cristiano...
On to more important news, Adriana Lima:
On to more important news, Adriana Lima: