92 pages isn't bad,Ill read it..
Im still amazed,how this show is still on the bubble for a new season.
It surpass everyone's expectations,including mines this season(mostly due to the time slot)and yet ABC hasn't renewed it,yet
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92 pages isn't bad,Ill read it..
It surpass everyone's expectations,including mines this season(mostly due to the time slot)and yet ABC hasn't renewed it,yet
I would like to read your book.
And they still left some meat on the bone.
If you think about it the key to the framework, as aida say's, is she allows them to change ONE regret...with fitz it was his father, with May it was the girl being killed, with coulson he wanted to be a teacher, sky it was lincoln, they've yet to reveal what Jemma's regret is or was?!?
We just know she was killed in the framework.
I think we'll find out. I think we'll also find out why she was killed and Daisy was apart of the framework yet they both went in at the same time
I'm going to say this again and again,who would ever thought Agents of Shield would be one of the best shows on TV,especially how rough it started.
I look forward to watching this every single week...
And,it's good to see Trip again.It's been two seasons,since we last saw him
I used to do this,but I just watch my shows online,unless I can't find them on my two sites.
And,what type of book you're writing.I'm having a hard time with my book at the moment...
I finally just caught up...
Its funny I remember when people were KILLING this show...
I kept telling them in Whedon I TRUST...
I don't think people fully realize that Joss created the master framework damn near ALL genre television has followed for damn hear 30 some odd years.
point blank period.
and If Fox had waited...Firefly and Dollhouse would have developed the same way...
go re-watch those series and you can SEE all of of the SAME beats and rhythms in SHIELD now.
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hmmm...good question.
(I wonder if Skye regrets Trip dying when she became an Inhuman?)
but I think she may be the ONLY one Aida messed with cause remember Aida regrets NOT being human and WANTS Fitz.
So Jemma was going to HAVE to die.
Jemma always regretted NOT being with Fitz sooner and she regretted falling in love with that dude on the other planet, Fitz risking his life to save her.....
Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Fitz’s Big Regret Explained
SPOILERS for Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ahead
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As the third and final pod of Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 4 goes deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole of the Framework – the Hydra-dominated virtual reality created by the nefarious Life Model Decoy Aida – the series is hitting unprecedented highs in its storytelling and its examination of his characters. Thrust into this twisted mirror universe, Agents Jemma Simmons and Daisy Johnson are continually confronted with alternate versions of their fellow Agents that are in many ways alarmingly changed. Moreso, they and the viewer must deal with compelling philosophical questions raised within the Framework, which is as real to the people living in it as the ‘real world’ is to Simmons and Daisy.
This week’s episode “No Regrets” casts light on the personal regrets of the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. The Framework’s reality is built upon “correcting” the regrets of several of our heroes. For Mack, who lost his daughter Hope in her infancy in the real world, the Framework gives him a chance to be a loving father and role model to a bright and talented young girl. However, in the case of Melinda May, her deepest regret (which molded her into the stern but deeply caring fighter we know and love) is that she was unable to save a young Inhuman girl in Bahrain. In the Framework, May did save that girl, but that success directly led to the tragedy that became known as the Cambridge Incident, which is the flashpoint that allowed Hydra to rise, destroy S.H.I.E.L.D., and assume control of the world as the solution to humanity’s fear of Inhumans.
REGRETS, THEY HAVE A FEW
Aida built the Framework around these and other regrets of the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as a form of manipulation and control. It’s interesting, however, to question the nature of some of these regrets. In the real world, Mack mourns a daughter he lost through no fault of his own, yet this defined the man who he is. In the Framework, protecting his daughter is his first priority, so much that he betrayed Daisy – who is known as Skye and lacks her Inhuman powers in this reality – to Hydra. Regret over this is what leads Mack to seek out and join the Resistance made of the remnants of S.H.I.E.L.D. and their leader Jeffrey Mace, the Patriot.
While being held captive, tortured and interrogated, Skye is given an offer by Aida, who styled herself as the evil organization’s leader Madame Hydra in the Framework. The promise of being able to be reunited with her dead Inhuman boyfriend Lincoln Campbell in the Framework is dangled in front of Skye (Lincoln sacrificed his life at the conclusion of season 3 to save the world from the Inhuman monster Hive). To paraphrase Fitz, nevertheless, Skye persisted in refusing to submit to Hydra, despite her regret of losing Lincoln.
Later, Skye’s fellow prisoner Holden Radcliffe, who invented both Aida and the Framework, discussed the nature of their regrets. Radcliffe initially built the Framework as a way to keep the dying Agnes Kitsworth, the real woman whom Aida was built to resemble, alive, but Fitz murdered her in cold blood. In the Framework, if a real person plugged in dies within the virtual reality, the person dies in the real world as well. Radcliffe mourns how despite everything, he lost Agnes anyway, reminding Skye that in any reality, “One person in your life, one decision, one sentence” can completely change the course of your life and the type of person you are.
FITZ’S BIG REGRET
Murdering Agnes Kitsworth isn’t Leopold Fitz’s biggest regret. In the Framework, Fitz is the Doctor, the feared second-in-command of Hydra, and he’s in a relationship with Aida/Madame Hydra. Unlike May, who was loyal to Hydra until this week when the heroic sacrifice of the Patriot triggered the latent aspect of the heroic ‘real world’s’ May inside her, Fitz is fundamentally loyal to the cause and to Madame Hydra, whom he does love. Of all of the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. transplanted from the ‘real world’, Fitz is both innately aware that ‘another world’ exists, and also the most steadfastly resolute in his commitment to the Framework’s reality.
Aida’s manipulation of Fitz stems from altering his history in a crucial way: instead of being raised by his loving mother, as he was in the ‘real world,’ the Fitz of the Framework was raised by his cold, authoritarian father Alistair Fitz, played by veteran character actor David O’Hara. Fitz’s greatest regret in the ‘real world’ is that his father walked out on him and his mother when he was very young. Aida corrected this, and the result is a Leopold Fitz who reflects Alistair’s beliefs and agrees with his father’s “wisdom” that justifies committing atrocities in the name of the cause they serve: “In a hard world… we don’t buckle to guilt.”
Fitz does struggle with whether he actually “needed” to kill Agnes, but when Fitz shows even the slightest flashes of the compassionate person we know from the ‘real world,’ his father accuses him of echoing the ‘softness’ of his mother and brings him to heel. When Fitz tells Alistair, “I don’t know what kind of man I’d be without you, father,” it brings an extra layer of heartbreak because the audience knows – and so does Simmons.
CAN FITZ BE REDEEMED?
In spite of everything, even witnessing Fitz murder Agnes with her own eyes, Simmons clings to her belief that this is an artificial version of Fitz. She insists to everyone she meets that everything in the Framework is merely a virtual reality construct and that the Fitz she knows would never be capable of the crimes the Doctor continually perpetrates. Simmons is resolute in her conviction, just as she dismisses the Framework’s heroic version of Grant Ward as similarly artificial. As persuasive and even at times seductive as the Framework’s reality can be, even to the viewers at home, Simmons continues to be the anchor to the reality she desperately wants herself and her friends to return to.
However, the Hydra Doctor version of Fitz has quickly emerged as arguably the most compelling villain in the history of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Because fans have followed and loved Fitz since season 1, when he was the young, naive genius who built little robots, loved sandwiches, and was charmingly and awkwardly infatuated with Simmons, this magnifies his impact as a villain. While the Doctor isn’t the same Fitz we know and love, his actions in the Framework color our perception of him. The Doctor is no less devoted than ‘our’ Fitz, this time to the cause of Hydra and to a different woman, Aida. He’s a product of both nature and nurture in the Framework’s reality. Iain de Caestecker has grown as an actor as he evolved Fitz as a character; his current performance as the Doctor takes everything he’s built in four seasons and brilliantly twists it into a version of Fitz we hardly recognize but fear might have been there all along.
What we have yet to find out, if the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. are eventually able to escape the Framework, is how much of the lives they lived and the deeds they committed the characters will remember when back in the ‘real world’? For a show like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which doesn’t take the easy way out or spare their characters heartbreak and torment, the answer is likely to be everything, or at least enough to leave lasting scars.
The Framework’s reality forces viewer to examine how their own lives and personalities could be different if even once simple thing had gone differently. For Fitz, the parent who raised him turned him into a completely different person. It’s frighteningly possible the original version of Fitz is now gone, to be replaced by the memories and personalities of the Doctor even if the Agents escape the Framework. Even if that isn’t the case and they are all ‘themselves’ again, Simmons will remember, as will Coulson and likely even Fitz himself, that Fitz committed a crime they all once considered unimaginable. The biggest question will be, is there a way to come back from that?
Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. continues its 4th season @ 10pm on ABC.
I brought this point up to my wife last week. I figured once they all get out of the Framework (minus Mace), Fitz is going to be seriously damaged. I don't see how he and Simmons continue their lives as a couple or as SHIELD members as if nothing happened. Who knows, we might see Fitz exit the series once he's out of the Framework if he becomes nonredeemable or is too damaged emotionally and psychologically as a result of the Framework.
I think I figured out why Jenna was dead in the framework. I think it's because she posed the biggest threats to it. Outside of ADA, Fitz is the main character and I'm assuming this is due to the fact Fitz had the biggest hand in creating her, (ADA). Obviously the framework wasn't perfect as coulson was able to retain some memories of the real life. And the possibility of keeping Jemma alive could possibly rekindle that with Fitz and lead to the destruction of the framework.
My biggest question is how are they going to keep ward alive. I'm assuming an LMD with his memories as they are in the framework would do it. Either way I'm more than positive he will be in the next season in some capacity.
My biggest question is how are they going to keep ward alive. I'm assuming an LMD with his memories as they are in the framework would do it. Either way I'm more than positive he will be in the next season in some capacity.
Or you might see him resurrect Hydra in some capacity. Remember cut off the head....
as much as I would like hat to happen, I don't see it.
this pod of SHIELD is VERY reminiscent of Dollhouse...
I don't want to go any deeper and spoil it but I can see where his is going and its going to be INCREDIBLE.
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Firefly and dollhouse were underrated gems... and I completely agree about trusting Whedon. Dude does not let you down. Personally I just don't think that network tv has the patience for his vision. Could you imagine if he was aligned with this New CW and New Syfy. Dude would fucking own these networks. Especially CW... are their shows are basically Whedon Clones. Every single one of them.. Carries the same beats. Either they have teenage characters that act way older then they are supposed to, they have a writing style designed to sound like everyday conversations, or their is a big bad that they spend the season trying to figure out how to defeat. No one was doing big bads with serialized TV before Buffy.
Hell did we have serialized TV prior to Buffy. I remember everything being Stand alone.
^^^
I CANNOT wait for Batgirl. ( I still CANNOT beleive Marvel/Disney let that happen)
They thing about Whedon is just look at his writing tree? Its INCREDIBLE...
If I had the hook up I would try to connect him with @largebillsonlyplease
he seems to really be humble and a great TEACHER.
when they brought ward back i knew theywould bring trip back. i was pissed when they killed him off
Glad to see Trip, would like him back. The season has been fire. Actually, since the very end of the 1st season it's gotten good.
Peeps keep throwing credit towards Whedon. But if you look closely at this season's creative team, a lot of these folks came from "FRINGE" and a few other shows of its ilk.
Yeah.
I rightfully ragged on this show for its first few seasons. But this season has been FIRE!!!
And like Josh Segarra on "ARROW", Mallory Jansen has carried this show to new heights.
Yeah.
I rightfully ragged on this show for its first few seasons. But this season has been FIRE!!!
And like Josh Segarra on "ARROW", Mallory Jansen has carried this show to new heights.
true
but its his brother as showrunner and many of the writers have come from the Whedon "family Tree" and honestly it don't matter
ALL the writers have been outstanding so EVERYONE involved needs credit...casting directing special effects actors directors production
and especially ABC/Marvel /Disney for sticking with the show
shout out to Leob!
and I hope this framework will be duplicated to all the other upcoming comic properties
This show has come a long way from its debut and first season.
This season has to be its best so far.
This season has to be its best so far.
holy shit
and bakshi is back
and bakshi is back
Even the look of the show is different.... I mean Ghost Rider was just last Fall. It seems like 2 seasons ago.
Man Chloe Bennet is looking extra nice in this 3rd story arc.
i'm loving these easter eggs
i'm loving these easter eggs
what the shit..... Shit got real....
Bringing Virtual people into the Real World... B.J. Trip could Live Again....
Side note... So where is Mike Peterson?
Bringing Virtual people into the Real World... B.J. Trip could Live Again....
Side note... So where is Mike Peterson?
ALTERNATIVE FACTS...
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the tone the pacing the emotion...
and realize
EVERYTHING is connect.
everything
and it isn't rushed, it isn't INSULTING the audience's intelligence
Its REWARDING loyal fans
the pacing...not too fast , not too slow.
Its engrossing
I got so caught up in the moment
I forgot why Mack would want to shoot May...
even the AUDIENCE is getting confused between what is REAL or what is FAKE...
hell to be honest
if they decided to completely do some type of Matrix flip,
and say that EVERYTHING we BEEN watching may NOT be real?
How would the audience REACT?!?!?
I got so caught up in the moment
I forgot why Mack would want to shoot May...
even the AUDIENCE is getting confused between what is REAL or what is FAKE...
hell to be honest
if they decided to completely do some type of Matrix flip,
and say that EVERYTHING we BEEN watching may NOT be real?
How would the audience REACT?!?!?
In his "grab them by the pussy "conversation with Billy Bush, Trump talked about taking Nancy O'Dell furniture shopping so he could fuck her
Agents Of SHIELD Writers Takes A Few More Shots At Trump
Posted by Dan Wickline April 26, 2017 9 Comments
Last week on Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD, the writers worked in the line: “Nevertheless, she persisted.” A phrased used by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to explain why he forced Senator Elizbeth Warren to be quiet during floor debates over the appointment of Senator Jeff Sessions as Attorney General.
In tonight’s episode, the writers worked in two shots directed at President Donald Trump. The first is when Sunil Bakshi (Simon Kassianides), the on-air spokesman for Hydra / newcaster, is talking to a woman and says: “It’s not bother. You need to buy furniture. I know a good place to go.” A reference to the infamous bus tape from Access Hollywood where Trump is recorded saying how he went after a married woman by taking her furniture shopping. It’s subtle but unmistakable in the episode.
A few moments later, Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg) is talking to the country, having taken over the broadcast, and is showing how the Patriot really died, saving children’s lives. Coulson then talks about how Hydra is controlling people by feeding them “alternative facts”. The phrase, “alternative facts” was made popular by Trump’s counselor Kellyanne Conway on January 22nd, 2017 when she was being interviewed by Chuck Todd. Conway was asked about how White House Spokesman Sean Spicer can be telling the American people information about the inauguration that is provably untrue. Conway said that Spicer was: “presenting alternative facts.” Todd’s response: “Look, alternative facts are not facts. They’re falsehoods.”
That’s three pretty blatant political digs in two weeks. The show has three weeks to go, I wonder how many more they can get in.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/26/agents-shield-writers-takes-shots-trump/
Posted by Dan Wickline April 26, 2017 9 Comments
Last week on Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD, the writers worked in the line: “Nevertheless, she persisted.” A phrased used by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to explain why he forced Senator Elizbeth Warren to be quiet during floor debates over the appointment of Senator Jeff Sessions as Attorney General.
In tonight’s episode, the writers worked in two shots directed at President Donald Trump. The first is when Sunil Bakshi (Simon Kassianides), the on-air spokesman for Hydra / newcaster, is talking to a woman and says: “It’s not bother. You need to buy furniture. I know a good place to go.” A reference to the infamous bus tape from Access Hollywood where Trump is recorded saying how he went after a married woman by taking her furniture shopping. It’s subtle but unmistakable in the episode.
A few moments later, Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg) is talking to the country, having taken over the broadcast, and is showing how the Patriot really died, saving children’s lives. Coulson then talks about how Hydra is controlling people by feeding them “alternative facts”. The phrase, “alternative facts” was made popular by Trump’s counselor Kellyanne Conway on January 22nd, 2017 when she was being interviewed by Chuck Todd. Conway was asked about how White House Spokesman Sean Spicer can be telling the American people information about the inauguration that is provably untrue. Conway said that Spicer was: “presenting alternative facts.” Todd’s response: “Look, alternative facts are not facts. They’re falsehoods.”
That’s three pretty blatant political digs in two weeks. The show has three weeks to go, I wonder how many more they can get in.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/26/agents-shield-writers-takes-shots-trump/
I caught all that last night, lol. I guess the writers are going all in since this may be the last season.