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Yeah it makes me kind of wish that it was the real ending...

You know what’s fucking crazy but this same thing happened to another Josh Whedon show in Season 5... Buffy..

The Gift was written like a series finale when they had Buffy Sacrifice herself to stop Dawn.. it was actually a perfect ending but then UPN picked up the show from The WB and they had to find a weird way to bring her back to life.


I think we would of had a slightly different ending,if ABC would of committed to the show. The network was never really in board or at least committed for the past three years. ABC would renew or cancel shows towards the end of AoS,but leave the show hanging for a few months after the season ends....
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I remember I was alone on an island defending that show...

For good or for ill ups and down you could always tell they REALLY cared about delivering a good story.

Everyone involved should be damn proud (I think Coulson was also talking about the entire crew of the show there)

It was perfect and like I keep saying that is the style Joss created from Buffy.

Even the quirky death of Talbot (very similar to Daisy ex boyfriend)

acting, effects, design, writing, camera work, production, casting, etc...

Salute.

I was genuinely lost at the end, and I loved it. That was perfect. Cause it was for day one fans. We will be discussing it for weeks.

Yoyo needs an Emmy award nomination

Mack as leader is good.

And watching this finale they would fit seamlessly into the movies...

Avengers can't be out here destroying NYC every 2 yesrs with complete and total disregard to human safely.

It would be perfect to have SHIELD come in and handle that.


I'm glad I came back to the show...What's funny I stopped watching the show a few weeks into the season. I came back to the show, right after I saw Winter Solider. Luckily,I caught up before the last two episodes came on.. I think the show started to take off,when Sif was on there,even though they were dealing with Hydra. The show really took off in season 2 ...


I'm glad I came back to watch a great show.
 

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I think we would of had a slightly different ending,if ABC would of committed to the show. The network was never really in board or at least committed for the past three years. ABC would renew or cancel shows towards the end of AoS,but leave the show hanging for a few months after the season ends....



I'm glad I came back to the show...What's funny I stopped watching the show a few weeks into the season. I came back to the show, right after I saw Winter Solider. Luckily,I caught up before the last two episodes came on.. I think the show started to take off,when Sif was on there,even though they were dealing with Hydra. The show really took off in season 2 ...


I'm glad I came back to watch a great show.

I wish Feige could hand pick ABC Marvel and Netflix head...

Because we saw with Sif and the Infinity wars, and even inhumans...

this show is a smart natural vehicle for the mcu.

Just makes sense for all involved.
 

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And yeah this could have been a proper send off.

We know Fitz is alive, and their grandson does EXIST but not in the way we know, may and Coulson are happy.

Talbot was an asshole, I felt bad but I think part of the story was whenever you get thsee powers YOU decide what you want to be...

You can't just blame the powers.

Hydra exists but is severely crippled.

Mack is the leader, Daisy has a family and a purpose, SHIELD is back and trusted by the world.

I feel good, sad but good.

However a nice 10 episode summer adventure with Captain Marvel tie in ain't gonna hurt nobody!!!!!

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Mack is the leader, Daisy has a family and a purpose, SHIELD is back and trusted by the world.

I feel good, sad but good.


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Very understated aspect of last nights finale!

When mack announced that shield was on the case the reaction was similar to

when cap rolled in and told the police what to do in avengers

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And yeah this could have been a proper send off.

We know Fitz is alive, and their grandson does EXIST but not in the way we know, may and Coulson are happy.

Talbot was an asshole, I felt bad but I think part of the story was whenever you get thsee powers YOU decide what you want to be...

You can't just blame the powers.

Hydra exists but is severely crippled.

Mack is the leader, Daisy has a family and a purpose, SHIELD is back and trusted by the world.

I feel good, sad but good.

However a nice 10 episode summer adventure with Captain Marvel tie in ain't gonna hurt nobody!!!!!

:cool:

13 episode run no filler episodes hopefully
 

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what a fucking great show. I was on the edge of my seat watching this shit...feeling emotions.....digging in my memory for past references. It was damn near perfect. The emotional up and down of Fitz dying, but then remembering that he froze himself so he's still out there....just damn. Clearly they were writing it as a series finale and damn what a send off. But still sets the table for a nice run next summer. I'm SO glad I stayed with this show. The payoff has been well worth it. This is how you do comic book tv.
 

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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Ends With Multiple Tragedies, But Will They Stick?
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The Season 5 finale of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. took us on a wild ride, and more than a few tears were shed before all was said and done.

In the end, Coulson (Clark Gregg) proved himself to be a hero yet again, choosing to sacrifice his life in order to stop Talbot (Adrian Pasdar) from destroying the world. That didn't stop Talbot from trying though. The streets of Chicago became a battleground as Daisy (Chloe Bennet) tried to defeat Talbot while the rest of the team did what S.H.I.E.L.D. has always done best: Save people.

Rescue missions are dangerous though, and one team member didn't make it back.

Fitz (Iain De Caestecker) found himself at the bottom of a collapsed pile of rubble, gasping for his last breaths as May (Ming Na Wen) and Mac (Henry Simmons) watched over him. It was honestly the most heartbreaking moment of the episode (and possibly the series), but don't shed too many tears — technically speaking, Fitz is still alive.

Remember when Fitz put himself on ice and launched his comatose body into space in order to meet up with the gang in the future? That comatose version of him is still out there!

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"In breaking the season about time travel, which is like 3-D chess, [Fitz] was one of the problems we encountered," executive producer Jed Whedon explains. "Whenever you're doing time travel stuff, there are these loopholes, and there are these twists and turns that you cannot figure out, and this was a problem for us. But then we realized there was an opportunity there. Truthfully, because of how we structured the season, there was no version where there isn't a second Fitz. So it's just a question of whether or not to kill one of them, and we do actually kill him. The emotion of it and the effect of it is real. He really goes through that, and our team really goes through that. Whether or not they can even find the one floating in space is a question."

That will obviously be an adventure for Season 6, considering the show picked up a last-minute renewal, and truthfully, it sounds like a pretty awesome one.

"Fitz with all that experience — with proposing, with getting married — that was all very real. He's gone," executive producer Jeff Bell says. "And should they find Fitz in some future season, he's on his way to try and save the team and propose to Simmons (Elizabeth Henstridge), so he's a different person."

Does that mean we're going to get another FitzSimmons wedding? PLEASE, PLEASE YES!

Another "death" to add it the list is Coulson's, though technically speaking we didn't actually see it happen. In the end, the team dropped Coulson and May (Ming Na Wen) off in Tahiti to live out the rest of his days together. Ultimately, that would only be a few weeks, if he was lucky, so we were supposed to infer that eventually he did die.

However... that was obviously when the show was coming to an end, meaning the show needs to write itself out of that corner when Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. returns for Season 6.


"As we always say, this is Marvel and our show always finds a way to bring people back," Whedon says of Coulson's fate in Season 6. "Our show is founded on him--"

"Who had been dead already," executive producer Maurissa Tancharoen cuts in, referencing Coulson's original entrance into the series after being killed off in the first Avengers film.

"So there's precedent!" Bell adds.

We'll just have to wait and see how and if Coulson escapes death this time, not to mention where in the galaxy Fitz ended up. We'll be waiting a long time though, since Season 6 will not air until the summer of 2019. At least we don't have to worry about incorporating the twist ending of Avengers: Infinity War?
 

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Agents of SHIELD bosses explain how that season five finale is linked to Avengers: Infinity War

Maybe not in the way you expected.



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This article contains spoilers for the Marvel's Agents of SHIELD season five finale and Avengers: Infinity War.

Marvel's Agents of SHIELD wrapped up its fifth (but not final) season last night (May 18) and it was an emotional ride.


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The last few episodes of the show have referenced the attack on Earth by the Children of Thanos that takes place at the start of Avengers: Infinity War, and fans were hoping to see which members of Coulson's team would have turned to dust after that fingersnap.


It didn't happen.

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That might seem disappointing, but there was a good reason to keep that universe-shattering event out of the show, as show bosses Jed Whedon and Jeff Bell tell TVLine.

"There are a couple things at play," Bell said. "They changed the film's release date, and if you really look at the movie, an alien ship shows up in New York, and they show up in Wakanda.

"So in terms of the world's perception, it'd be very easy to be elsewhere and to not be fully overwhelmed with what's happening.

"Now the very end of the movie is a different story, and there's a world where our (season) has ended before that happens."

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Whedon added that: "(Episodes) 19 through 22 are pretty much one day.

"Also, one of the things that we tried to do was even if we're just hinting at a crossover, our concept was to create motivation for our villain, for our antagonist — using the events of Infinity War and using the larger MCU battle to sort of inform (Talbot's) motivation to become what he's becoming.

"That was our main tie-in, trying to drive our own antagonist. We felt like that was a good way to deal with it, but keep the things in our world in our story."

Agents of SHIELD was renewed at the last minute for a sixth season, but it won't be back until after Avengers 4, which makes a lot of sense from a storytelling perspective.
 

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Exclusive: Agents of SHIELD bosses say season 5 finale would be "satisfying" as end of the show

But they insist there's "more story to tell".

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The future of Marvel's Agents of SHIELD beyond its current season is murky, but its producers want fans to know that they've prepared for the end.

ABC has yet to commission a sixth season of the MCU spin-off series, leading to the very real possibility that next month's finale 'The End' could actually be the end of SHIELD as a TV property.


In a recent interview with Digital Spy, producers Jed Whedon, Jeffrey Bell and Maurissa Tancharoen said they'd crafted 'The End' in a way that could close the book on SHIELD or lead to more stories down the road.

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"Every episode's a series finale if we don't get to make any more of them," Whedon said. "The way we're approaching it is... we believe, even at the end of a story, there's always more story to tell."

"We approach the end of every season the same way, which is... we never really know if we're going to get another one until we're towards the end of our shooting anyway, so our goal is to either be able to satisfy either way," Tancharoen concurred.

Bell made sure to mention that the SHIELD team remain hopeful that 'The End' is "not the series finale", but they "planned" for the worst just in case.

"We think it will be satisfying," Whedon agreed.

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Bell went on: "Every year we try and arc out a story that begins one place and answers all the questions we've brought up... and I think this year, we've looked back more over the last seasons as well, like in the 100th episode we did, we tried to remind people of some of [the show's history] and that's true as we go forward for the rest of the season."

If Marvel's Agents of SHIELD really does sign off next month, fans can at least take heart in knowing that the show's legacy will live on in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Clark Gregg recently started work on the Captain Marvel movie, which will bring his character Phil Coulson back into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in a wibbly wobbly timey wimey way.
 

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Agents of SHIELD Finale Killed a Core Character (But There’s a Catch)
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SPOILER WARNING: This article contains major spoilers for “The End,” the Season 5 finale of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. just suffered a major casualty. In “The End,” the Season 5 finale, Leo Fitz was killed when a ceiling collapsed on him. Fortunately for Fitz’s friends and fans alike, this may not be the end of the beloved S.H.I.E.L.D. scientist. Thanks to the season’s time travel plot, a past version of him still exists in deep space.

As Graviton wreaked havoc on Chicago in his quest for gravitonium, S.H.I.E.L.D. arrived to evacuate civilians and clear the buildings impacted by the crash landing of his alien warship. Mack took Fitz and May up into one of the skyscrapers, where they discovered Robin Hinton and a breach in the ship’s hull. Realizing Robin’s mother Polly was still inside the ship, Mack went off to rescue her while May stayed behind with Robin.

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At that moment, Fitz realized they were playing into the world-ending scenario they’d tried so desperately to avoid. “May, neither of them make it,” he said slowly. In an effort to prevent Mack’s death, they pursued him and saved him from two Marauder soldiers. As they exited the ship and walked back into the building, though, Graviton and Daisy’s fight created a tremor that caused the concrete ceiling to collapse right on top of Fitz.

Mack and May immediately dug Fitz out. Underneath the rubble, they discovered him shaken, but alive. “I hope you saved some energy, because my leg’s bent. I think he’s broken,” he told them. “You’ll have to carry me out.” As they moved a large piece of concrete out of the way, they realized the damage was much worse than that. A large metal sheet had pierced through his torso.

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At this, Mack realized Fitz was dying, so he knelt down beside his friend. “Relax, buddy. Just breathe,” he said, taking his hand. “Just breathe. I’m going to stay with you. We’ll find a way out of this.”

In shock, Fitz told them to get Polly out of the ship, that she was in danger. May assured him she was safe. “Hey, man. You got her out! You did good, Turbo!” Mack said. “You did really good.”

“Hey, Mack. I think my leg’s broken,” Fitz whispered. “You’ve been through worse,” Mack replied, choking back tears. Fitz then laid his head back and passed away.

But that won’t be the end of Leo Fitz. Though heartbroken, Simmons made it clear she and the rest of the team will head to deep space to find the past version of Fitz, who — in the season’s fifth episode — went into cryosleep for 80 years to meet the rest of the team in the year 2091.

During his farewell speech, Coulson lamented the fact he wouldn’t be able to say goodbye to Fitz. “But you’ll tell him for me,” he added with a smile. Simmons smiled back, saying, “Of course. He’ll be sad he missed this little memorial — sorry, retirement party.”

“I want you to have this,” Simmons said, pressing Fitz’s postcard into Coulson’s hands. “A picture of our new home away from home. And to remind you that your team always worked the problem, no matter what the odds.”

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“Now he’s frozen out in deep space somewhere, no idea he’s already solved it,” he explained, to which Simmons replied, “He’ll be a little disoriented, but he’ll be so happy to know that time is not fixed. It’s a fluid, ever-changing, beautiful thing. And he didn’t miss much, did he?”

“I have not a single doubt you will find him,” Coulson assured her. “None of us do,” she said with tears in her eyes.


Fitz’s passing was further cemented by the disappearance of Deke, who was Fitz and Simmons’ grandson in the 2091 timeline. Following Fitz’s death, Simmons visited Deke’s room in the Lighthouse, only to find it completely cleared out of all the things he had hoarded during his time in the present. This confirmed Fitz and Simmons’ theory that, if they successfully changed the timeline, Deke would simply blink out of existence.

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“We always want the audience to be feeling two things at once: to be feeling happy and sad,” executive producer Jed Whedon explained to CBR. “We felt like, in writing our time travel season, which was not easy for us in the writers’ room, the duplicate Fitz was a problem for us until we realized that it was an opportunity.”

“We felt like it was a way to change the timeline and feel like there was a real price for it that wasn’t just, ‘Oh! No, we fixed it! Well, that worked out!’ But it was painful and that there still had to be loss of life and our team did sacrifice, but without us losing more of our beloved characters,” he added. “So we felt like it was a good pain to have, but one that you would be a little bit healed by the end.”

Returning Summer 2019, Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. stars Clark Gregg, Ming-Na Wen, Chloe Bennet, Henry Simmons, Ian De Caestecker, Natalia Cordova-Buckley and Elizabeth Henstridge.
 

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There are plenty of shows that plan each season’s story as though it will be the last, but I can honestly say: Not since the last episode of Buffyseason five have I seen a season finale that so definitively shut the book on its narrative in a way that would provide satisfying closure, laughter, tears, and action, only to live on.

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Now that we know it’s coming back for a (shortened) sixth season, let’s pay our respects and say: R.I.P. in advance, Phil Coulson. Despite a rocky start back in the first season, where Clark Gregg looked like his longtime character-actor status hadn’t prepared him to hold a show together, over the course of those initial 22 episodes he figured it out. From the end of season one on, he’s been a steady and charismatic center for an oft-outrageous series, his humane and grounded performance keeping all the superpowered antics anchored to plausible terra firma—even when they were defying gravity in space. The character of Coulson wasn’t just a funny and powerful presence; he was a necessary personality that helped keep everyone else in effective positions vis-a-vis each other. He functioned as a sort of combination one-step-above-it leader and audience surrogate, someone to relate to even as Gregg’s surprisingly strong swagger gave him de facto father-figure authority. He got to do something rare in a story like this: He chose when and how to say goodbye. He did it with a moving speech and even got choked up in the process, ensuring that a lot of viewers probably did, too. It was remarkable work, and no matter where the show goes next year (perhaps off to find Fitz, unless they do that between seasons), Jemma Simmons is right: We’ll deal, but we’ll never move on.


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Everything about “The End,” from its title on down, seems genetically engineered to serve as a series finale. Even the ostensible “cliffhanger” of the team getting ready to go find Fitz, frozen in ice somewhere in space, is really more of an “it’s gonna be okay” reveal, given we thought he had been permanently killed during the fight in Chicago. (Which, wow, would that have been a dark conclusion. It felt very Whedon-esque as it was happening, but it would have destroyed Jemma, and I’m not sure any of us are emotionally equipped to handle that.) Coulson bowed out with a heartfelt speech, and even gets to live his remaining days with Melinda May, the woman he loves (shades of House’s mortality-laced ending, only, you know, better). Daisy realized she wasn’t ready to lead and turned the role of Director over to Mack, which isn’t flawless but feels right. And we literally get the new team, sailing off into the distance, the next mission just over the horizon.


This was a case where a potentially cheesy farewell actually ended up being surprisingly potent. I have no way of knowing yet whether the cast actually thought this was gonna be it (my gut says yes, though subsequent interviews will surely confirm one way or the other), but everything about that last scene in the Zephyr, with Coulson leading the toast, screams “Let’s film our actual goodbyes.” Since Gregg was leaving either way, his sendoff was guaranteed, so even had they known a shortened sixth season was on the horizon, thise was, for all intents, the soul of this show saying farewell. As I’ve been saying in these reviews, I’m still not convinced the show will survive his departure (at least not in a creatively smooth way), and this scene demonstrated why. These people need a Phillip J. Coulson in their lives, just as S.H.I.E.L.D. needed one in its narrative. They’re right to mourn and pay tribute at the same time.

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But before that, there was the conclusion of the Talbot/Graviton storyline to deal with. It wasn’t the most satisfying conclusion—Daisy really only got to land two massive blows before he was quaked into space—but that didn’t detract too much from the sharp unveiling of Coulson’s maneuvering. He really was the one who put it all together and saved the day (though it’s a bit odd Robin would both know that and yet also confront the “something’s wrong” change moment that accompanied altering the timeline). He slips the Centipede serum into Daisy’s armor, which she discovers at just the right time, getting enough strength to blast out of Talbot’s grip. The effects were far from flawless, but it was still exciting to watch him crash that ship into the skyline, even if it wasn’t a Chicago a resident like me recognized.



One of the more heartening aspects of the finale was how the team’s immediate focus became rescuing as many people as they could. It’s always been a bright spot of the MCU that innocents’ death is never merely an unfortunate side effect of some badass superhero showdown. Preventing loss of life takes center stage, as it should, and Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. reaffirmed that commitment to a fundamental humanism over and above bullshit macho posturing. Talbot ended up the embodiment of the latter, even busting out an ends-justify-means metric to rationalize his wholesale slaughter of the very people he was ostensibly trying to protect. (Is it just a coincidence he was dressed and behaving very much like General Zod at the end of Man Of Steel?)

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Not that their heroics prevented the episode’s opening one-life-vs.-the-many debate. It was an actual argument, with logical perspectives on both sides, but I’m surprised the show cut it short by having May smash the Odium. Not because she wouldn’t have done that—of course she would—but it did somewhat undercut Mack’s uplifting message of hope and teamwork, making his talking Yo-Yo down from the brink of betraying everyone hold a little less weight. Because May did the same thing, but we like Coulson, so we just roll with it. The show was counting on that, but it still sapped some force from a guy about to become the new director (and as Daisy reminds everyone, the moral center) of S.H.I.E.L.D.

One of the great things about this finale was how it clung to the show’s “keep up or get out of the way” ethos, paying off lots of little moments that depend on you having watched closely all season without calling attention to them. Especially given the sometimes confusing nature of the time-travel stuff, the brief shot where Fitz realizes Mack and Robin’s mom didn’t survive in the future—and his wide-eyed “Oh, no”—was a terrific beat to include, rewarding for those who knew what the hell Fitz was talking about. Deke and Daisy discussing FitzSimmons’ grandson leaving because he could blink out of existence at any moment was similarly good, as was the shot recreating the exact moment of Daisy leaving the Zephyr to go confront Talbot that we first saw way back in the season opener. These were all solid ways to demonstrate the show’s confidence in its storytelling, and not waste any time holding the viewer’s hand.

This season occasionally fell victim to the series’ frenzied, hectic pacing, but it maintained a robust sense of excitement even when character and subtlety fell by the wayside. It makes sense the conclusion would function as an elegy for the man who best represented the spirit of the show itself. Phil Coulson, in more ways then one, really was S.H.I.E.L.D. He took charge, pushed people to be their best selves, occasionally fucked up, but never stopped thinking there was good to be done. If the show did its best to embody the smartest and most breathless intensity of its comic book origins, Coulson was the human avatar of that impetus. So here’s to him—who’s like him? Damn few.

Stray observations
  • Well played, Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen, for making Coulson’s final toast a Stephen Sondheim reference.
  • Talbot: “I’m becoming a hero.” Daisy: “You are one.” She lays the whole “service of others” shtick on a bit thick, but then, Talbot was always a bit thick, too.
  • Jemma taking Deke’s tool was significant—do you think he vanished out of existence, or is he wandering the streets of America?
  • Also, Jemma’s whole exchange before we learn they’re going to go find Fitz was heartbreaking. “We were different people back then.”
  • I wouldn’t mind getting a copy of the Phil Coulson “In remembrance” plaque, if anyone from Marvel or ABC’s marketing team happens to be reading.
  • Phil Coulson finally gets to visit Tahiti, that magical place.
  • And that closes the book on season five. Thanks so much for watching and reading along, everyone. I’ve enjoyed your comments, questions, and heated debates about which agent could take who in a fight. Looks like we get at least one more season to hang out with these extraordinary people.
 
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Fitz’s passing was further cemented by the disappearance of Deke, who was Fitz and Simmons’ grandson in the 2091 timeline. Following Fitz’s death, Simmons visited Deke’s room in the Lighthouse, only to find it completely cleared out of all the things he had hoarded during his time in the present. This confirmed Fitz and Simmons’ theory that, if they successfully changed the timeline, Deke would simply blink out of existence.
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I wonder if Daisy feels like shit over how she was mad at Fitz now that she knows he's dead?
I think Daisy giving up command to Mack was her moment of clarity. She know she aint built to lead....maybe in the field but not overall. Seems like that and her beating Talbot knowing that serum was the only thing that could save Coulson, but that he put it there for her to use against Talbot....all that was her absolution for being a shitty leader.
 

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I think Daisy giving up command to Mack was her moment of clarity. She know she aint built to lead....maybe in the field but not overall. Seems like that and her beating Talbot knowing that serum was the only thing that could save Coulson, but that he put it there for her to use against Talbot....all that was her absolution for being a shitty leader.
It probably didn't help that no one tried to convince her to try leading again. The cosigning of Mac taking over was beyond unanimous :lol:
 

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Damn I'm underwhelmed with that finale. This show has never had a huge budget but it really showed this season. They only had like 5 sets for 90 percent of the action. I thought killing Fitz was a bold move, but I forgot this is Marvel so of course he's still alive somehow. Won't be surprised if Colson finds a cure and is back to 100% within a episode or two next year. Popular characters don't seem to ever die in Marvel. Or stay dead anyway.

And I wish they would stop trying to connect this show to the movies since Feige clearly isn't on board with the TV and Movie sides of Marvel doing crossovers anymore. Imagine going through all that shit to save the world, only for Colson to turn to dust as he's stepping off of the ship with May. Or Fitz fading out before he could bleed to death, so his 'death' would be more of a question mark. Those moment would have stuck with us all summer. Not having a Thanos crossover just feel like a HUGE missed opporunity.
 

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Damn I'm underwhelmed with that finale. This show has never had a huge budget but it really showed this season. They only had like 5 sets for 90 percent of the action. I thought killing Fitz was a bold move, but I forgot this is Marvel so of course he's still alive somehow. Won't be surprised if Colson finds a cure and is back to 100% within a episode or two next year. Popular characters don't seem to ever die in Marvel. Or stay dead anyway.

And I wish they would stop trying to connect this show to the movies since Feige clearly isn't on board with the TV and Movie sides of Marvel doing crossovers anymore. Imagine going through all that shit to save the world, only for Colson to turn to dust as he's stepping off of the ship with May. Or Fitz fading out before he could bleed to death, so his 'death' would be more of a question mark. Those moment would have stuck with us all summer. Not having a Thanos crossover just feel like a HUGE missed opporunity.


While,I understand what you're saying about Marvel connecting their shows and movies. I think Marvel does it more naturally than Warner Brothers. Outside,of the Netflix shows and movies,you mostly get mentions on AoS.


Also,there is a theory going around that the Fitz that went in the capsule is still around...
 

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While,I understand what you're saying about Marvel connecting their shows and movies. I think Marvel does it more naturally than Warner Brothers. Outside,of the Netflix shows and movies,you mostly get mentions on AoS.


Also,there is a theory going around that the Fitz that went in the capsule is still around...
I just miss the earlier seasons when the connections weren't just name drops or news clips playing in the background. I don't think we'll ever get another Winter Soldier level twist.

And I get the Fitz theory. I'll even admit that my problem with it is a personal nitpick. I hate when time travel and/or magic is introduce in a medium where it didn't exist the entire time. Because it is almost always used in a way where the writers can have their cake and eat it too. i.e. A beloved character dies so you have that emotional gut punch, but through time travel they're still somehow alive. It makes it hard to enjoy that moment again on a second viewing.I said the same thing in the Infinity War thread.
Thanos killed Tony. He stabs him through the gut. Not in the gut. Through the gut. The score went silent and the whole audience held their breath. One cutaway to Wakanda later and Tony is spraying his fatal would with nano technology and that powerful movie moment goes away. When I saw it a second time, I felt nothing at that moment.
Hinting that Fitz can come back next season dampens the powerful moment in this episode. Imo
 

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DAMN fucking marvel!!!



I just thought of another way this past season closed up some loose ends.



I was scrolling thru Youtube and I saw this video Lash vs hive.



I thought back to how May husband Andrew became lash Which triggered the thought of may and why she was called the cavalry.



Think about it she got the name the cavalry because she had to take out this child who went thru terigenisis too young and her powers ran away with her.



This season May’s most satisfying revelation was finding out she was a mother…





To a child who went thru terigenises too young and her powers had warped her psyche.





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Is Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Secretly Setting Up The Fantastic Four In The MCU?
By Christian Bone 15 hours ago

Unlike other Marvel TV shows, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has always tried its best to tie itself into the wider canvas of the MCU, even if its connection to Avengers: Infinity War was a little subpar. But we’d forgive it if this new fan theory turns out to be true in any way, as it claims that S.H.I.E.L.D. might be paving the way for the Fantastic Four to join the Marvel Cinematic Universe.



You might be skeptical about this, which is fair enough. After all, we all know that Marvel Studios isn’t planning ahead about what they might do with Fox’s toys until the Disney buyout goes through (which it might not). However, this seemingly outlandish theory has been addressed and even encouraged by someone who would definitely know the truth: Marvel Television President Jeph Loeb.

Loeb held an AMA on Reddit the other day and one of the questions from fans came in the form of a lengthy post which compiled all the evidence that suggests S.H.I.E.L.D. has been subtly building up to the Fantastic Four’s introduction all along. The fan expected his theory to be shot down in flames, but Loeb gave a surprisingly teasing answer in reply, saying: “You’re not crazy. But thats all I can say!”



So, what evidence is there that links the ABC series with Marvel’s First Family? Well, for starters, according to this Reddit user, the term “Doom” has been uttered many times throughout the show’s history. In particular, season 3 big bad Hive even said “I’m Doom.” Though Hive was defeated, it’s possible he survived in the vacuum of space and may have just found a new host in the form of Graviton. Could the resulting villain become Doctor Doom?

As for the FF themselves, the user theorizes that FitzSimmons are the S.H.I.E.L.D. versions of Reed Richards and Sue Storm. Apart from becoming the MCU’s “First Family” when they encounter their son, Deke, from the future in season 5, the couple are said to change their names somewhere down the road – perhaps to Reed and Sue. Other clues point to S.H.I.E.L.D. concepts being stand-ins for FF-related ideas, like the Fear Dimension/Negative Zone, S.H.I.E.L.D. Academy/Empire State University and alien energy/cosmic radiation.

Of course, for all this to work, it would require a giant stretch of the imagination that even Mr. Fantastic might not be able to achieve, but Loeb’s response does suggest that there’s something in all this that’s bang on the money. We’re just not sure what, and we probably won’t find out until Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 6 arrives in summer 2019.
 

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Agents of SHIELD Character Breakdowns Offer First Season 6 Details

New character breakdowns for season 6 of Agents of SHIELD give fans their first clues about what to expect from the upcoming season, which begins production this week. Season 5 of Agents of SHIELD ended with a bang. Agent Fitz was tragically killed, though a way exists for him to easily return. The finale also provided a proper sendoff for Agent Coulson, whose death had been teased since the end of season 4.

Unlike past seasons, season 5 wrapped up most of its loose ends, since it was unclear for a while if the series was going to be renewed for season 6. Fortunately for fans, Agents of SHIELD will indeed be back for another season of saving the world, and possibly more.

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That Hashtag Show has revealed new casting breakdowns that shed some light on the characters that will be introduced in season 6 of the ABC series. Check them out below.

The first is a character referred to as JACO. A male in his 30s, with an open ethnicity, and a height of 6’4″ or taller, JACO is described as a silent mercenary who has both brains and brawn, who sounds hyper-intelligent when he speaks. Sounds like a combination of Ward and Fitz if you ask us.

Next up is PAX, a younger male in his 20s, who is a dangerous mercenary like JACO but has a humorous streak to him. Think everyone’s favorite Lance Hunter. Since his departure, his brand of humor has been sorely missing from the team dynamic. PAX could be his replacement.

BUTTERFLY is the third addition, a female in her 20s, described as unpredictable, aloof, spacey, but nonetheless lethal. Like JACO and PAX, BUTTERFLY is slated to be a recurring guest star throughout the season. The unpredictability trait reminds us of last season’s Ruby (Dove Cameron); calculating, erratic, and distant.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has never had a shortage of flawed geniuses, be it heroes like Leopold Fitz or baddies like Calvin Zabo, Season 6 will have its own flawed genius with PROFESSOR L, a brilliant teacher in his 60s who has a positive outlook on humanity but at the same time is disgruntled, bitter, and a mess of a person outside. PROFESSOR L will be a recurring guest star as well.

Lastly, we have an AGENT DAMON, a new SHIELD soldier who is described as being handsome, likable, cool, and funny, but unlike the rest of the characters in this breakdown, and like most SHIELD agents that appear on the show, AGENT DAMON is only slated to appear for one episode.


Considering that only one of the characters in the casting breakdowns is a guest star, one can assume that the rest are either recurring or series regulars, which suggests that most of them will factor heavily into the season's main storyline. It's unclear what the team will be up against, but this information seems to indicate that a group of mercenaries will somehow be involved.

As Agents of SHIELD is a part of the MCU, the series generally includes a mix of original and comic book-inspired characters. Based on this information, it's hard to say if any of these characters are directly linked to anyone in Marvel Comics, though the character "Jaco" bears at least some resemblance to the superhero known as Paladin, a former Hero for Hire, Thunderbolt, and member of Silver Sable's Wild Pack. The identities of Jaco and the others are of course open to speculation. Since no Agents of SHIELD panel has been announced for San Diego Comic-Con 2018, it may be a while before we learn more about them. Aside from the new characters, fans are also awaiting details on the status of Agent Coulson, since his return hasn't been officially confirmed. Even if Coulson does come back, it may not be as a series regular. Coulson's absence from the main cast would surely provide a major shakeup for the series going forward.
 
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