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Did may just matrix this muthafuka???

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blackbull1970

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Good episode.

They got to bring in some cameos next week for that finale.

And it looks like they starting to connect it to Endgame and possibly Loki series also.

Right now i'am suspecting Fitz will return as a new character from the Marvel Universe and continue on in future movie/TV projects.

Looking for ward to next week's 2 hour finale.
 

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Good episode.

They got to bring in some cameos next week for that finale.

And it looks like they starting to connect it to Endgame and possibly Loki series also.

Right now i'am suspecting Fitz will return as a new character from the Marvel Universe and continue on in future movie/TV projects.

Looking for ward to next week's 2 hour finale.
I was thinking... Coulson and fury did a movie together recently. Who's to say they didn't film a quick side scene for the finale.
 

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I was thinking... Coulson and fury did a movie together recently. Who's to say they didn't film a quick side scene for the finale.

Now that you mentioned that.

It was revealed in Capt. Marvel that SHIELD knew about the Skrulls back in the 1990s.

Fury and Coulson along with Capt Marvel know the details of them being on Earth.

Then we found out Fury and Agent Maria were Skrulls.

If they finally gonna connect the series to the MCU, it would be interesting if they give hints that the Skrulls have been involved with AoS since the Series Premiere.

If that happens you would have to go back and rewatch the series from a different perspective.
 

darth frosty

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After watching this






I ve come to the following theory

Fitz is an anchor to the true time-line!

That's why jemma can't know where he is.

Ultimately the new time line is no different than the framework. The exception being Fitz can control/direct things from the true time line.

So my theory is by leading the chronocons into his trap of an alternate time line Fitz can destroy them in that time line and rescue his friends in the true time line... Displaced in different era's :eek2:

As I think about it more it's akin to what Q did for Picard in the stng series finale All Good Things. Jumping him to different time periods

Just my .02
 
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After watching this






I ve come to the following theory

Fitz is an anchor to the true time-line!

That's why jemma can't know where he is.

Ultimately the new time line is no different than the framework. The exception being Fitz can control/direct things from the true time line.

So my theory is by leading the chronocons into his trap of an alternate time line Fitz can destroy them in that time line and rescue his friends in the true time line... Displaced in different era's :eek2:

As I think about it more it's akin to what Q did for Picard in the stng series finale All Good Things. Jumping him to different time periods

Just my .02


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Clark Gregg and Ming-Na Wen talk ‘Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.’ finale

The two stars are saying goodbye to the beloved Marvel series after seven action-packed seasons.

 

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I have to stay out of this thread and any site on the Net talking about this finale tonight.

I am on Pacific time and East Coast mofos will be all over the Net blabbing about what happened before we see it.

I don't plan on watching it until the morning while eating some scrambled eggs, hash browns, sausage, coffee and a glass of OJ in front of the living room big screen TV using the food trays we have.
 

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Was there some hidden image in the glowing planet or star or whatever that Daisy, Cora and Souza were looking at?? Seemed like some kinda image in the reflection...Or was that not an Easter egg?
 

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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. cast reacts to their characters' finale fates

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August 12, 2020 at 11:00 PM EDT




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Warning: This article contains spoilers from the series finale of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Alas, Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s Enoch (Joel Stoffer) wasn't wrong.
In the ABC drama's series finale, Daisy (Chloe Bennet), Coulson (Clark Gregg), and the gang successfully reunited with Fitz (Iain de Caestecker), who helped them return to their original timeline and thwart the Chronicom invasion. Following their victory, though, the episode jumped ahead one year and revealed that the team broke up — which is exactly what Enoch used his dying breath to tell Daisy in the time-loop episode.

Thankfully, they're still close even though they don't work together anymore. Gathered at the S.H.I.E.L.D. safehouse/bar via hologram technology, they each reveal what they've been up to since the band broke up: Mack (Henry Simmons) is still running S.H.I.E.L.D. and loves the new base's view; Yo-Yo (Natalia Cordova-Buckley) is leading her own field team; Fitz and Simmons retired and are busy raising their daughter; Daisy and Sousa (Enver Gjokaj) are dating and off on a space mission for S.H.I.E.L.D.; May (Ming-Na Wen) teaches at the academy; and Coulson is just trying to figure out what's next for him. (Meanwhile, Jeff Ward's Deke is hanging out in the alternate timeline the team spent most of the season in) Despite their hectic schedules and separate lives, they make a plan to reunite like this once a year.
The series finale was shot a little over a year ago, but it somehow mirrors our present circumstances because the pandemic has forced us to rely on technology in order to stay connected. With that in mind, EW hopped on a Zoom call with the entire cast — which you can watch above — to hear their thoughts on where we left things with the characters. Here's what they had to say:

Chloe Bennet and Enver Gjokaj on why Daisy and Sousa work as a couple:
Enver Gjokaj: I think just like in real life, [they work because of] how absolutely improbably the whole thing is, you know? It's just something that doesn't work until somebody comes along and breaks all the rules. Chloe and I had great chemistry. It just felt pretty easy.
Chloe Bennet: I full-blown have been fan-girling about them on screen, which I haven't done for any of the other people that Daisy was with. But it's so sweet. I actually really think it's really, really cute. I just think that they're so opposite and they balance each other out so well.
Elizabeth Henstridge and Iain de Caestecker on FitzSimmons' reunion and happy ending:
Elizabeth Henstridge: I loved it. It was so good. I mean, we've been apart in multiple seasons, but I think there's something about it just, for me, it feels like coming home a little bit. When I get Iain in a scene, it's like, "Oh, this is how we started. And it's so comfortable and just... " I'm a little bit obsessed with them as characters so, for me to be in a scene as Simmons with Fitz it's very special... [The characters] have kind of been a bit of a reflection of Maurissa Tancharoen and Jed Whedon, two of our co-creators. And for FitzSimmons to have a daughter, and they had a daughter on the show, it felt so perfect.
Iain De Caestecker: There isn't a kind of SHIELD experience without Elizabeth. For me anyways, that experience, [is] me and her together. I've done something since without her. It's weird not having her on set.
Henry Simmons and Natalia Cordova-Buckley on Mack and Yo-Yo as S.H.I.E.L.D.'s power couple:
Natalia Cordova-Buckley: I love that final scene with Briana and Max, and Yo-Yo. I love that her team is a couple of characters that we love, that we didn't really get to see in this final season. I loved how they wrapped Yo-Yo, that she's under Director Mackenzie's command, and she's [now] what she never wanted to be. She ends up being an agent an part of the institution.
Henry Simmons: When we were all together saying goodbye, I wanted to say a term of endearment to her so it was clear to the audience that they were still together. Because for me, I didn't want it to be like, "Oh, they're off working and they're just doing their thing [separately]." ...So that was my pitch.
Ming-Na Wen on May becoming a teacher:
I think it was very appropriate and, because May had always been the S.O. to so many [people], you know, to Ward before he turned evil. To Skye before she became Daisy and Quake. It was just a very fitting ending for her. And also to kind of continue the S.H.I.E.L.D. legacy for future S.H.I.E.L.D. agents.
Jeff Ward on what Deke is likely doing in the alternate timeline:
So I think it was [writer] DJ Doyle that pitched a post-credits mini-scene that I was very sad that we didn't get to shoot, but we talked a lot about it, which was that: Somebody would walk into a S.H.I.E.L.D. office and there'd be the back of a chair, and it would spin around, and it was me with an eye patch... I don't know if Nick Fury is in this timeline or not. I think [Deke] can still see fine, but it's just about a power and cool thing.
Clark Gregg on how this goodbye compares to his previous ones as Coulson:
Of all of them, even to the ones within this show, the end of the seven years — all the years and the hours, and the stunts, and the rehearsals, and the ADR, and the driving, and sorting out problems — it just felt like a deeper, kind of a fuller farewell to a lot of people that spent a lot of time working really hard to make something good. So I found it very moving, and it's very moving to come back to it again.

 

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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. series finale recap: One last job

By Christian Holub
August 12, 2020 at 10:28 PM EDT



Well true believers, here we are at last: The end of an era. Characters have been hinting all season that this will be the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. team’s last mission together, and now we see what that looks like.

The final battle against the Chronicoms starts on two fronts: Mack, Daisy, and Sousa infiltrate the Chronicom flagship to rescue Deke and Simmons, while Coulson, May, and Yo-Yo defend the Lighthouse. As you guys know if you’ve been reading these final season recaps, I’ve found the younger John Garrett character quite insufferable, so I love the way he gets owned here. Coulson calls up Fitz’s data on the barriers he once used to trap Gordon when they were enemies, and much to May’s amazement, rebuilds them. So when Garrett teleports in to try and plant bombs throughout the Lighthouse, they slap the power-neutralizing shackles on him and watch him squirm. It’s pretty delicious. Then they even call Nathaniel Malick so that he can abandon Garrett to his fate. That causes Garrett to switch sides and teleport the team out of the Lighthouse before the bombs destroy it.

Mack, funnily enough, was right all along: “I always knew it was robots who would take us out in the end.” As he and Sousa try to hold off Hunters, Sybil tells Malick to let Daisy find Simmons because their reunion increases the probability of finding out Fitz’s location. That seems like it’s about to happen; prompted by Daisy, Simmons starts to remember that she’s married and that her marriage is somehow the key. But just as Sybil is getting excited that the truth is going to be unveiled, Kora emerges from behind a corner and starts Daisy. This distraction frustrates Sybil, and honestly me as well because it just shows what a weak character Kora has been. Her motivations are a confusing tangle: She’s mad at Daisy for not telling her about Jiaying’s death despite making out with Jiaying’s actual killer Nathaniel Malick, plus she also says her mom was a monster, so I’m just not sure why she’s mad and I’m not sure she does either. But it does ruin Sybil’s plans, so thanks for that. As punishment, she immediately gets stunned by Malick and hooked up to his power-transfer machine.

Young Garrett finally gets taken care of when he teleports the team into the last SHIELD hideout and promptly gets shot in the head by the agents already hiding there. If I’m not mistaken, Victoria Hand seems to be among them, which is a fun callback to season 1. It seems all these agents were summoned together by a coded signal, and each was instructed to bring a specific package or item. With all these storied briefcases and receptacles assembled, Simmons’ memory starts to kick in; she knows how to put them together to form a machine. The last ingredient is her own wedding ring; as she says, marriage was the key. When all the parts are formed, the machine opens a portal, through which pops our beloved Leo Fitz! It turns out the place he was hiding all along was...our original timeline.

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This kicks off the second half of this two-part series finale. For those who have been waiting all season for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.’s time travel rules to tie in with those of Avengers: Endgame, Fitz finally delivers with talk about the quantum realm and how they can travel between different timelines. His plan is actually to just straight up ditch this timeline in favor of their original, but Coulson and company refuse to abandon this dimension to the Chronicoms. In his words, this isn’t a virtual world like the Framework. These people are real and they can’t be left at the mercy of the invaders, so they decide to take the Chronicoms home with them over Fitz’s protests (like Sybil, he’s very concerned with probabilities of success). The only thing is, that requires someone to be left behind to flick the switch. Deke volunteers himself. It’s actually kind of an easy decision: Daisy has Sousa so doesn’t need him, and he’s a rock god in the early ‘80s anyway. So they say goodbye and allow Deke to become director of the survivors of S.H.I.E.L.D. in this new timeline.

Back home, we see the plan that FitzSimmons and Enoch enacted way back at the end of last season. Because that’s exactly when they arrive back in the original timeline: Just as they left, in the final minutes of last season’s finale. The Zephyr goes dark with Coulson, May, Daisy, and Mack on board, while a Quinjet carrying Fitz, Simmons, Yo-Yo, and Sousa makes its way toward the temple. They dress in hazmat suits and carry the past versions of themselves into the past Zephyr, meaning that when someone asks past Simmons “where’s Fitz?” and she says “I don’t know, I can’t know,” he is literally right next to her in a suit. That way, the first Zephyr that appears on the Chronicoms’ scanners is the one leaving into the past. So Sybil’s ships fire at it, destroying the temple as the ship teleports and allowing the current Zephyr to sneak onto the Chronicom flagship.

Daisy ends up in a fight with Malick as Coulson is confronted by Sybil and her Hunters while Mack tears his way through other troops. The Daisy/Malick fight gives some fun Dragon Ball Z vibes with the two shooting blasts of energy at each other, but ultimately I feel like it pales in comparison to Daisy’s climactic fight with Graviton from the end of season 5. Maybe it’s just because they’re on a spaceship, but I never buy that Malick has the power to rip the Earth apart (exaggerated by him referencing his lore). Meanwhile, Mack frees Kora.

Where is May, you might ask? You’re a smarter person than Sybil if it occurs to you. She thinks she’s the queen of the world with Coulson in her grasp. He tells her that the rest of the team is at the Lighthouse, so she smugly orders her Hunters to take the Lighthouse and her ships to destroy the bases. Then it’s Coulson’s turn to smugly smile since all they needed was her authorization. Then it’s May’s opportunity to crash through the ceiling and, I would say knock Sybil out, but I don’t think we see her again so it’s probably fair to say May just drops down and straight-up kills her there. Then they bring in the liberated Kora, who sends her powerful energy to the Lighthouse, giving all the Chronicoms there the same level of empathy as Enoch. When someone asks if they’re friends or enemies, the Hunters drop their guns and echo Enoch’s dying words: “Friends, as we have always been.”

Daisy’s battle against Malick takes a little longer, but when he taunts her, saying she can’t kill him without killing herself, she calls his bluff and destroys the ship, killing him and surrendering herself to the cold vacuum of space as well. Luckily, the Zephyr pulls her aboard and Kora’s energy is able to heal her in the style of their late mother Jiaying. Speaking of mothers, we then learn the real reason for Simmons’ implant: She and Fitz had a baby daughter while they were spending years building the time machine!

We cut to one year later for our final scene with the team. Coulson, Daisy, Mack, Yo-Yo, FitzSimmons, and May all gather in a bar (holographically, we eventually learn — it’s basically a Zoom meeting!). We learn everyone’s fates: Daisy has a happy life with Sousa as SHIELD commanders, Mack is still director from a rebuilt Helicarrier, Yo-Yo is on a strike team, May is lecturing young SHIELD students, and FitzSimmons are retired from the spy life to raise their adorable, exhausting daughter. It’s about as good an ending as you could hope for any of these characters — especially FitzSimmons! Love their happy ending. So despite my many qualms about this season, I think it did wrap up the show (which over seven seasons has spanned multiple eras of Marvel superhero fiction) in a nice little bow. Coulson even gets to ride off into the sunset on L.O.L.A. So long, everyone. It was a fun ride, wasn't it?
 

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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. bosses break down the 'bittersweet' series finale

By Chancellor Agard
August 12, 2020 at 11:00 PM EDT


Warning: This article contains spoilers for the series finale of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.LD.
After seven seasons spent flying around the world (and the galaxy, and time itself), Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has finally come in for a landing.
In Wednesday's two-hour series finale, Coulson (Clark Gregg), Daisy (Chloe Bennet), and the rest of the team launched a last-ditch effort to defeat the Chronicoms. Thankfully, the team was made whole by the return of Fitz (Iain de Caestecker), who traveled via quantum bridge from the show's original timeline (last seen in the season 6 finale) to the new one created this season (hello, Avengers: Endgame time-travel rules!). As Fitz told the gang, this entire season has been about saving Daisy's sister Kora (Dianne Doan) because they needed her powers to defeat the Chronicoms in the original timeline.

With all that explained, Fitz led the team and the invading Chronicoms back to the original timeline. Once there, the agents infiltrated and commandeered Sybil's ship. Then May (Ming-Na Wen) plugged herself into the Chronicom's system and, with Kora's powers boosting the signal, used her newfound empathetic abilities to give the Chronicoms empathy. And it turns out that's all it took for the semirobotic aliens to call off their invasion. Meanwhile, Daisy had a quake-off with Nathaniel Malick (Thomas E. Sullivan) and won.

With the day saved, the action jumped one year in the future and revealed that the team actually did split up, which meaning Enoch (Joel Stoffer) was right. In this future, Mack is still the director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Yo-Yo (Natalia Cordova-Buckley) leads her own field team, Daisy and Sousa (Enver Gjokaj) are touring the cosmos for S.H.I.E.L.D., May trains new agency recruits, and Coulson is trying to figure out what's next for him. Fitz and Simmons (Elizabeth Henstridge), though, have retired and have their hands full raising their daughter. In other words: Everyone got their happy ending. (Read our postmortem with the cast here.)

Earlier this week, EW spoke to showrunners Maurissa Tancharoen, Jed Whedon, and Jeffrey Bell about the exciting and emotional finale. Here's what they had to say.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: This finale ties right back into the season 6 finale. How much of the series finale did you have mapped out when you wrote last year's ending?

JED WHEDON:
We didn't have a lot mapped out. We knew what the season was going to be, so we knew there was a possibility of tying up those loose ends.
JEFFREY BELL: It had more to do with changing the end of 6 so that wasn't the series finale, because that's what we originally thought. It was like, "Oh, adjust that to set up yet another season" as opposed to how it would've been the final one.
WHEDON: As we always do, we had some ideas going in, but we basically threw some balls in the air and hoped we could catch them later.
What was the first idea you had coming into the series finale that you knew you wanted to do?
MAURISSA TANCHAROEN:
One solid idea was that we wanted to give FitzSimmons a happy ending, finally. We had tortured them enough that we wanted to show they had the promise of their life together.
WHEDON: We felt the same way about them [as] the audience does.
TANCHAROEN: Yes, we felt it was time and [wanted] to leave the audience with the idea that they're living their lives as a family, as a happy couple, as parents.
WHEDON: The other real focus was how to create a different finale, because we feel like we'd done one at the end of season 5. It had its own feeling and its own flavor, and we felt like we had done a pretty good job with that. This had to feel different and be a different sort of goodbye. So I think that was sort of the crux of the very end: How do we make this feel satisfying for the fans that have been with us for so long and reward them for being here with us? There was that [bittersweet] feeling we wanted to capture of saying goodbye to the team, which was something we were all feeling in doing our last season.
TANCHAROEN: I think much of our personal emotional experience — us [and] Bell, the actors, the entire crew that's been with us for all these years — is definitely infused into that last season where they're all sitting in the speakeasy. I do think because we thought season 5 was our last and we kind of tied up everything nicely with a bow — everybody's arcs, the relationships — having the extra time of the two seasons gave us more time to reflect just the feeling of saying goodbye over and over again to enhance the nostalgia we were already feeling.

Was the decision to break the team up a result of trying to do something different from the season 5 finale?

BELL:
I would say to a certain extent. As much as we were playing the sadness of "Coulson and May are going off to Tahiti" [in the season 5 finale], it was also a fulfillment of a promise of their relationship that we'd always had, and if the show ended then, you don't know how long they might've had together, but that was nice. Then the rest of the crew was together continuing their legacy. Flying off at the end really launched them into new adventures. Having done that, this one felt more like how we were feeling in the writers' room: We all knew we were going to different places, we would still be friends, still be doing a similar work, but we wouldn't be spending time with each other. I don't remember if you, Jed or Maurissa, had the idea of the virtual ending.
WHEDON: Yeah, we knew we wanted them in a room together, but the rule is they can't be. I actually think it might've been one of the Zuckerman sisters [Nora and Lila] who said, "There's always holograms!"
BELL: But the idea that by setting that up that early — "This would be your last mission together" — the cast and the characters got to feel what we were feeling. We're moving toward something that's sad even though we would all survive and go on.
WHEDON: One thing I'd just add to that: It's not lost on us that we are basically a year later from when we ended and we only talk to each other virtually. [Laughs]
TANCHAROEN: We predicted the future, basically. [Laughs]

You ended up following Avengers: Endgame time-travel rules, which basically say that changing the past creates a new timeline but it's possible to travel between those timelines. Did you find those rules relatively freeing because they meant you didn't have to worry about continuity and could do whatever you wanted while time-traveling since you would just return to the original timeline via a quantum bridge?

BELL:
Lord no. [Laughs]
WHEDON: The time stuff made us crazy. We knew going in that we were going to have a difficult writers' room. At some point when we realized the game we were playing in the season was, the characters say, "We're agents of status quo. We're supposed to have nothing happen," when we kind of looked at it, we realized, "Oh, we've just got to break it all apart." That's the only way for the story to stay interesting, but it's also the only way to get back and have it be meaningful. It was freeing in that moment.
BELL: But then we still had to figure out how to put all the pieces together to make it work there at the end. The writers' room, over the years, we had diagrams on the board. We would go into production meetings and hand out diagrams saying, "This is the story we're telling," trying to explain the time loop because people were like, "I don't understand this."
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Deke (Jeff Ward) volunteered to stay in the alternate timeline and help the team generate enough power to return to their original timeline. Why did it feel right to leave Deke there?

WHEDON:
There was a lot of discussion about that because we want to give everyone their moment, and you certainly don't want to leave somebody early in the finale. But because he had found himself so much there and we kind of became obsessed with this concept of '80s S.H.I.E.L.D. run by a rock star named Deke Shaw, it seemed like he still gets a win and a sacrifice.
TANCHAOREN: It's so in line with his character. He's declaring he's the one to make this sacrifice for the team, the one that's going to be left behind. At the same time, it's a pretty cushy situation. He's in an era where he's a rock god, and he's going to be the CEO of S.H.I.E.L.D. It's sort of the drive of his character: self-serving yet very loving.
WHEDON: It also avoids him having to be an uncle to his own self.

When I spoke to Jeff, he said there was some discussion of a post-credit scene in which Deke is wearing an eye patch. How serious was that idea?

BELL:
That was a "Oh, wouldn't that be funny," but that was really it.
TANCHAROEN: We have a lot of ideas for spin-off comics, that's for sure.
WHEDON: Yes, the Deke timeline, we can all agree, should live on in some way.

What made Daisy and Sousa such a good pairing in your minds?

TANCHAROEN:
They are such an unlikely pairing, and I think that's essentially what's so charming about it: She's taken by surprise by how taken she is with him. I think the moment she realizes it is in the time-loop episode, when he's not realizing it at all. He's just a great, solid guy.
WHEDON: Truthfully, we didn't know going in. We knew we loved him as an actor and we loved what we could do with the character as a fish out of water on our team. But until you get them on screen and see if there's chemistry [you don't know]… We had hopes, and fortunately those were met.

Were there any familiar faces you hoped to bring back but couldn't?

TANCHAROEN:
Iain de Caestecker. [Laughs]
WHEDON: Yeah, I mean sure, we had all sorts of hopes and dreams, but we did what we set out to do. So I would say this season there weren't many heartbreaks in that way.

Finally, how did you approach LMD Coulson and figuring out his ending? It seems like it may have been hard to balance not treating him like the real Coulson but also acknowledging that it's sort of him.

BELL:
Clark was a big part of that as well. Clark wasn't interested in just going back to being Coulson after having been Sarge. One of the things I love about Clark is he really becomes involved in his character. As we were talking about it, he really had a lot of those Blade Runner existential questions about Coulson, like "Do I have a soul? Am I breathing?" All those questions he asks over the course of the season, I think, brought a freshness to that character and how everybody reacted to him. Plus, there's the challenge he's no longer director and Mac is, so it was a way for him to be very much Coulson and how he responds, but emotionally he was a completely different guy, as was May.
 
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