OFFICIAL UFC 241 thread - Cormier vs. Miocic 2 - August 17th, 2019 - Anaheim, CA

Helico-pterFunk

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He was in better shape for this fight than the first one. He was 10lbs lighter in this fight. I really feel like DC was losing the weight slowly to get back down in range of LHW to fight Jones later this year. Might not work out that way now.

DC just got super cocky and overconfident and Stipe's chin was tremendous in this fight.




In your opinion, do you think it's worthwhile for DC to stay around if the trilogy with Miocic presents itself? I.E. - in late-2019 or the first quarter of 2020? Just go in there, wrestle him and not bother with the striking, reclaim the HW title & then retire on a high note?
 

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In your opinion, do you think it's worthwhile for DC to stay around if the trilogy with Miocic presents itself? I.E. - in late-2019 or the first quarter of 2020? Just go in there, wrestle him and not bother with the striking, reclaim the HW title & then retire on a high note?
I would say that's his best bet to retire on a winning note. The Jones fight will be the money fight out of the two by 10x probably. Tough call for DC.

I would want to see the Jone Trilogy instead of watching DC hump Stipe for 2 or 3 rounds just so he can go out on a winning note.

What do you think?
 

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I would say that's his best bet to retire on a winning note. The Jones fight will be the money fight out of the two by 10x probably. Tough call for DC.

I would want to see the Jone Trilogy instead of watching DC hump Stipe for 2 or 3 rounds just so he can go out on a winning note.

What do you think?




I agree. His best bet would be to secure the trilogy with Stipe and aim to get him out of there reasonably quickly (i.e. - within 10 - 15 mins, as you noted). The fan interest and REAL money fight will always be him and Jones. The match-up people will always want to see. I can see Jones just giving him the ultimate fuck you and NOT granting that 3rd fight. Waiting a year and change (or less) for DC to retire and then moving up to become his own version of champ-champ following in the footsteps of McG, Cejudo, Nunes, and DC.

At that point in time Jones' main competition would just be Miocic & Ngannou. DC would be retired. Cain's moved on to pro wrestling, Overeem's approximately 40, etc. There would be more competition staying at 205 with the talent getting better there as they improve and round out their skill sets (Walker, Reyes, etc).
 

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Hmmp...UFC usually has a policy of not putting friends/training partners against each other..except this time.?

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I agree. His best bet would be to secure the trilogy with Stipe and aim to get him out of there reasonably quickly (i.e. - within 10 - 15 mins, as you noted). The fan interest and REAL money fight will always be him and Jones. The match-up people will always want to see. I can see Jones just giving him the ultimate fuck you and NOT granting that 3rd fight. Waiting a year and change (or less) for DC to retire and then moving up to become his own version of champ-champ following in the footsteps of McG, Cejudo, Nunes, and DC.

At that point in time Jones' main competition would just be Miocic & Ngannou. DC would be retired. Cain's moved on to pro wrestling, Overeem's approximately 40, etc. There would be more competition staying at 205 with the talent getting better there as they improve and round out their skill sets (Walker, Reyes, etc).

Agree 100%

The crazy thing is, HWs come in so many different shapes and sizes. I think Jones would dominate Stipe, but would struggle against some of the larger, bulkier HWs like Ngannou and even Curtis Blaydes w/ his wrestling. Jon is going to pick the perfect moment to come up to HW and take out the champ he can handle and then cherry pick his opponents and defend one or two times, then call it a career.

Since DC is a true competitor, he will try to make that Jones/DC Trilogy happen. If he wins, that would erase the bad taste of the Stipe loss and he would get a "W" over his nemesis Jones. 2 birds, one stone.
 

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Agree 100%

The crazy thing is, HWs come in so many different shapes and sizes. I think Jones would dominate Stipe, but would struggle against some of the larger, bulkier HWs like Ngannou and even Curtis Blaydes w/ his wrestling. Jon is going to pick the perfect moment to come up to HW and take out the champ he can handle and then cherry pick his opponents and defend one or two times, then call it a career.

Since DC is a true competitor, he will try to make that Jones/DC Trilogy happen. If he wins, that would erase the bad taste of the Stipe loss and he would get a "W" over his nemesis Jones. 2 birds, one stone.




Good points about styles making match-ups. I forgot to factor in Blaydes. He has improved quite a bit over the years, with his only main hiccups being the losses to Ngannou. I was really hoping their 2nd fight would have been more competitive (as Ngannou was rebounding after 2 losses, and Blaydes was on a roll) and Ngannou made quick work of him in the 1st round. Surprising. But then we saw Ngannou quickly dispatch of Cain & JDS respectively his next 2 fights. Ngannou's definitely back on track now.

If I were DC ... I'd probably just angle for that trilogy with Miocic at this point. Don't think the Jones fight will present itself (especially coming off a DC loss). BUT if it did happen ... I could see Jones structuring contractual negotiations to have an immediate rematch (and 4th fight) if he were to lose by upset. No way in hell he would allow DC to reclaim the 205lb title, snatch a win back in their then-trilogy and immediately retire. That shit would not sit well with Jones. If I were him I'd have it structured along the lines of ... if I lose to DC & he departs the sport entirely, he's forced to pay some incredibly stiff financial penalty. I'm talking serious $. If that were in any way possible. Something to road bump DC into bypassing the quick exit plan. DC being a top-level talent himself ... I could see him saying "fuck you, take the money, I'll pay this fine/penalty of hundreds of thousands to a million, I'm already rich, again fuck you, and I'm out!"



:money::cheers::roflmao3:
 

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A few other interesting weight notes. Daniel Cormier weighed 247 pounds on fight night after weighing in at 236.5 on Friday. Miocic was 233 after being 230.5 on Friday. Sodiq Yusuff weighed 169.2 after weighing in at 145. He was 15.9 percent over the contracted weight class. Paulo Costa 213.8 pounds on fight night. Yoel Romero was 207.2. Costa was precariously close to that 15-percent mark where CSAC is recommending fighters move up.
 

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Good points about styles making match-ups. I forgot to factor in Blaydes. He has improved quite a bit over the years, with his only main hiccups being the losses to Ngannou. I was really hoping their 2nd fight would have been more competitive (as Ngannou was rebounding after 2 losses, and Blaydes was on a roll) and Ngannou made quick work of him in the 1st round. Surprising. But then we saw Ngannou quickly dispatch of Cain & JDS respectively his next 2 fights. Ngannou's definitely back on track now.

If I were DC ... I'd probably just angle for that trilogy with Miocic at this point. Don't think the Jones fight will present itself (especially coming off a DC loss). BUT if it did happen ... I could see Jones structuring contractual negotiations to have an immediate rematch (and 4th fight) if he were to lose by upset. No way in hell he would allow DC to reclaim the 205lb title, snatch a win back in their then-trilogy and immediately retire. That shit would not sit well with Jones. If I were him I'd have it structured along the lines of ... if I lose to DC & he departs the sport entirely, he's forced to pay some incredibly stiff financial penalty. I'm talking serious $. If that were in any way possible. Something to road bump DC into bypassing the quick exit plan. DC being a top-level talent himself ... I could see him saying "fuck you, take the money, I'll pay this fine/penalty of hundreds of thousands to a million, I'm already rich, again fuck you, and I'm out!"



:money::cheers::roflmao3:

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A few other interesting weight notes. Daniel Cormier weighed 247 pounds on fight night after weighing in at 236.5 on Friday. Miocic was 233 after being 230.5 on Friday. Sodiq Yusuff weighed 169.2 after weighing in at 145. He was 15.9 percent over the contracted weight class. Paulo Costa 213.8 pounds on fight night. Yoel Romero was 207.2. Costa was precariously close to that 15-percent mark where CSAC is recommending fighters move up.



Thanks for the intel, T. Good points about the percentage marks with rehydration. Interesting how Miocic came in low at only 2.5lbs more following. Still surprised that Costa and Romero are able to make 185lbs respectively. Romero at 207.2 could easily make light-heavy at 205 (with the 1lb allowance to 206lbs). Similar to how Frankie Edgar got to champ status at 155 back in the day (only walking around in that 155 - 165 range). Whereas he's competed at 145 in recent times, and now there's talk about him moving down to 135lbs to close out his career. I don't want to see that, though he's too small for 155 at this point (and can't get past Holloway and Aldo at 145). He's in a tough spot closing out his career.
 

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Good points about styles making match-ups. I forgot to factor in Blaydes. He has improved quite a bit over the years, with his only main hiccups being the losses to Ngannou. I was really hoping their 2nd fight would have been more competitive (as Ngannou was rebounding after 2 losses, and Blaydes was on a roll) and Ngannou made quick work of him in the 1st round. Surprising. But then we saw Ngannou quickly dispatch of Cain & JDS respectively his next 2 fights. Ngannou's definitely back on track now.

If I were DC ... I'd probably just angle for that trilogy with Miocic at this point. Don't think the Jones fight will present itself (especially coming off a DC loss). BUT if it did happen ... I could see Jones structuring contractual negotiations to have an immediate rematch (and 4th fight) if he were to lose by upset. No way in hell he would allow DC to reclaim the 205lb title, snatch a win back in their then-trilogy and immediately retire. That shit would not sit well with Jones. If I were him I'd have it structured along the lines of ... if I lose to DC & he departs the sport entirely, he's forced to pay some incredibly stiff financial penalty. I'm talking serious $. If that were in any way possible. Something to road bump DC into bypassing the quick exit plan. DC being a top-level talent himself ... I could see him saying "fuck you, take the money, I'll pay this fine/penalty of hundreds of thousands to a million, I'm already rich, again fuck you, and I'm out!"



:money::cheers::roflmao3:

What’s unfortunate is that DC had the fight in the bag. He clearly won the first and the second, and interestingly one judge had him winning the third as well. Cormier’s game plan of keeping Miocic humble with striking and wrestling was fantastic.

In the second round Cormier won the striking fest and ate all of Stipe’s good punches. I think Corm got too cocky and felt he could slug it out for the remainder of the fight, but with fatigue, and the height and reach disadvantage it’s a dangerous strategy.

I’m not sure if DC wins the trilogy because Stipe will be better prepared for the wrestling. Cormier had the perfect game plan last night and failed to consistently execute it, you could tell he knew it after the fight.......... :smh:
 

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What’s unfortunate is that DC had the fight in the bag. He clearly won the first and the second, and interestingly one judge had him winning the third as well. Cormier’s game plan of keeping Miocic humble with striking and wrestling was fantastic.

In the second round Cormier won the striking fest and ate all of Stipe’s good punches. I think Corm got too cocky and felt he could slug it out for the remainder of the fight, but with fatigue, and the height and reach disadvantage it’s a dangerous strategy.

I’m not sure if DC wins the trilogy because Stipe will be better prepared for the wrestling. Cormier had the perfect game plan last night and failed to consistently execute it, you could tell he knew it after the fight.......... :smh:





Good points. I need to go back and rewatch the 2 fights with Jones. If I recall correctly, the first fight DC went for several takedown attempts before finally securing one late in the fight. He had already lost at that point, and Jones got up quickly, but it was a moral victory in that regard for DC. The 2nd fight, though it was shorter and ended a few rounds in via TKO/KO was more of a striking affair. DC wasn't focusing on his wrestling as much, and was having more success on the feet.

Definitely a tough loss for DC. Especially having to relinquish the 205lb title when he moved up and focused on heavyweight. Jones claimed that one. Then to have the heavyweight strap and a dominant win over Lewis last fall, only to lose it back to Miocic yesterday (after KO'ing him in under 5 minutes last summer).
 

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I'd be curious about the PPV numbers but DAMN them numbers low!
The top level fighters get way more than what's published. Like Cormier gets millions more than what's disclosed.

Plus UFC fighters are generally more main stream than boxers and get a lot of lucrative endorsements. Still not Wilder money, but no one is starving.

The UFC is a private company and they don't have to disclose anything, but they publish the base payouts to fighters.
 
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