Betcha believe Wyclef ain’t gonna dispute what Robert said. And if anyone that knows Lauryn it’s Wyclef- remember dude is very musical and produced some hits back in the day
OHHH, SHHHIT... Robert Glasper Drags Lauryn Hill Straight To the Gates of Hell (No Lies Detected)
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lots of interesting/shocking information in here
Robert Glaspers detailed and disparaging account of Lauryn Hills fuckery was real interesting .
And then Son in the thread not knowing what a patty was shocked the fuck outta me...
shit was jarring
Up here in the Six, the whitest of whitest CAC's are familiar with patties and Rotis if they know nothing else
In school all of us kids would eat them for lunch if money was tight....get some Coco bread with it to make it more filling...some of the whitest CAC's would request a "patty on a bun". and pronounce Roti as "Roady"
But goes to show that not all of us experience the same amount of diversity, and sometimes we take that shit for granted.
Glasper is official....glad to see his profile getting larger and his well earned respect being given. I copped the "Black Radio" CD back in '12. I need to cop some of his newer shit and go see him live.
Robert Glaspers detailed and disparaging account of Lauryn Hills fuckery was real interesting .
And then Son in the thread not knowing what a patty was shocked the fuck outta me...
shit was jarring
Up here in the Six, the whitest of whitest CAC's are familiar with patties and Rotis if they know nothing else
In school all of us kids would eat them for lunch if money was tight....get some Coco bread with it to make it more filling...some of the whitest CAC's would request a "patty on a bun". and pronounce Roti as "Roady"
But goes to show that not all of us experience the same amount of diversity, and sometimes we take that shit for granted.
Glasper is official....glad to see his profile getting larger and his well earned respect being given. I copped the "Black Radio" CD back in '12. I need to cop some of his newer shit and go see him live.
I didn't even know there was an Otis Redding III.
I didn't even know there was an Otis Redding III.
Shit caught me off guard too. I'm like what does he sing? I'm still sitting on the dock of the bay.
I didn't even know there was an Otis Redding III.
Look up The Reddings. They were a dope group.
Bruh... I didn't even know there was an Otis Redding Jr.I didn't even know there was an Otis Redding III.
Been telling niggas for yrs Ms Hill a piece of shit.......
I can believe this. I went to a Nas & Lauryn Hill concert last year. To her credit, her voice sounded great but she started singing different lyrics to some of her classic songs. She did warn us before hand but that shit was just odd & a lot of people in the audience wasn't feeling that.
da fuk is a beef patty......
some of y’all niggas scare the fuck outta me
damn...that’s memories right there
Glad I noticed the ‘III’. I was like damn how old are you champ?I didn't even know there was an Otis Redding III.
a) who the hell don’t know what a quarter water is?
b) who the hell know what a pineapple cheese muslim pie is?
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/dec/19/entertainment/ca-55439
The Legal Tangle of 'Miseducation'
Pop Beat: Group wants a share of the songwriting credit and profits from Lauryn Hill's hit album.
December 19, 1998|GEOFF BOUCHER | TIMES STAFF WRITER
The critics who have made Lauryn Hill's solo debut the most acclaimed release of 1998 have consistently praised the album for its vision and honesty in presenting one woman's view on life and love.
But now, on the eve of the Grammy season in which it is a sure contender, "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill" is being portrayed in a lawsuit filed by a group of musicians as something far different--a group project and a lesson in the unfairness of the music business.
The musicians, known collectively as New Ark, are suing Hill and her label in U.S. District Court in Newark, N.J., claiming they deserve a share of songwriting or production credit on 13 of the album's 14 songs--and, of course, a sizable chunk of the profits generated by the album, which has sold 2.4 million copies to date.
The 23-year-old Hill, who gained fame as a member of the Grammy-winning Fugees trio, said in a statement that the suit is "without any merit whatsoever." A spokesman for the singer added this week that Hill feels "deeply betrayed" by the New Ark group, who toiled on the Ruffhouse/Columbia Records release for months at a studio in Hill's South Orange, N.J., home.
The album credits say the album is "produced, written and arranged" by Hill, and she is also listed as executive producer on all the tracks. The New Ark members--Vada Nobles, Rasheem "Kilo" Pugh and twin brothers Johari and Tejumold Newton--are acknowledged several times for "additional production," "additional musical contribution" and "additional lyrical contribution" on some songs.
They claim, however, to be the primary songwriters on two tracks, "Nothing Really Matters" and "Everything Is Everything," and major contributors on six others. Full or partial production credit is also due to the team on five tracks, the suit claims. The musicians also claim to have made sizable, uncredited production contributions to "A Rose Is Still a Rose," a song Hill produced for Aretha Franklin's last album.
The dispute has been discussed by attorneys on both sides for months, but an impasse led to the federal lawsuit filing earlier this month.
Lawsuits are hardly a rarity in the realm of song credits--as one music publishing veteran remarked this week, "Where there's a hit, there's a writ"--but the suit against Hill is especially intriguing because she was viewed primarily as a vocalist before "Miseducation" won raves for her songwriting and production craft.
Sources close to Hill dismiss the lawsuit as an attempt to cash in by some overreaching studio musicians. But Peter C. Harvey, the attorney for the New Ark group, says it is Hill who is exaggerating her artistic heft. He says the hip-hop diva put her name on New Ark's work to establish herself as more than "just the singer" in the Fugees.
"She is not a musician, she is not a producer," Harvey said. "[New Ark] will make another album and everyone will see that they were the ones responsible for this album. I dare say if you put Lauryn Hill in a studio alone, she couldn't do it again. Album No. 2 for her is not going to sound like this."
That view is contradicted by numerous sources who say Hill is blossoming into a major creative force in pop music.
"Lauryn is a very gifted arranger, producer and writer, as well as a vocalist; she's the whole package," said Gordon "The Commissioner" Williams, the engineer at the sound board during most of the "Miseducation" sessions. Williams declined to discuss the lawsuit or New Ark's claims, but he described the album as a powerfully personal effort by Hill. "It's definitely her vision."
In their suit, the New Ark members say it was Pugh's four-year friendship with Hill that led the singer to invite the musicians to join her as she began planning her pivotal first solo effort in June 1997. The suit claims the singer and her would-be collaborators hit it off in their first meeting, making grand plans and sitting in a circle as Hill led them in prayer. Pugh and the others were giddy afterward. They had some credits to their career, but the chance to work with Hill was their "big break."
The suit also claims Hill made verbal assurances to New Ark that they would be credited and paid for major contributions to the album, but they never pinned down their role in writing--which Harvey concedes was an error.
The suit says the relationship between Hill and the New Ark musicians cooled as the album neared completion and the singer began backing off her earlier promises of credit.
Harvey says Hill's handlers tried to placate Pugh and the others in November 1997 by arranging a publishing deal with Sony/ATV, the same publisher that handled the "Miseducation" songs for Hill. The deal paid the New Ark musicians a $100,000 advance for rights to their future work. Harvey said the size of the deal supports the group's claim that they are far more than mere studio musicians, and, indeed, industry insiders said a contract of that size is unusual for unproven songwriters.
The Legal Tangle of 'Miseducation'
Pop Beat: Group wants a share of the songwriting credit and profits from Lauryn Hill's hit album.
December 19, 1998|GEOFF BOUCHER | TIMES STAFF WRITER
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The critics who have made Lauryn Hill's solo debut the most acclaimed release of 1998 have consistently praised the album for its vision and honesty in presenting one woman's view on life and love.
But now, on the eve of the Grammy season in which it is a sure contender, "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill" is being portrayed in a lawsuit filed by a group of musicians as something far different--a group project and a lesson in the unfairness of the music business.
The musicians, known collectively as New Ark, are suing Hill and her label in U.S. District Court in Newark, N.J., claiming they deserve a share of songwriting or production credit on 13 of the album's 14 songs--and, of course, a sizable chunk of the profits generated by the album, which has sold 2.4 million copies to date.
The 23-year-old Hill, who gained fame as a member of the Grammy-winning Fugees trio, said in a statement that the suit is "without any merit whatsoever." A spokesman for the singer added this week that Hill feels "deeply betrayed" by the New Ark group, who toiled on the Ruffhouse/Columbia Records release for months at a studio in Hill's South Orange, N.J., home.
The album credits say the album is "produced, written and arranged" by Hill, and she is also listed as executive producer on all the tracks. The New Ark members--Vada Nobles, Rasheem "Kilo" Pugh and twin brothers Johari and Tejumold Newton--are acknowledged several times for "additional production," "additional musical contribution" and "additional lyrical contribution" on some songs.
They claim, however, to be the primary songwriters on two tracks, "Nothing Really Matters" and "Everything Is Everything," and major contributors on six others. Full or partial production credit is also due to the team on five tracks, the suit claims. The musicians also claim to have made sizable, uncredited production contributions to "A Rose Is Still a Rose," a song Hill produced for Aretha Franklin's last album.
The dispute has been discussed by attorneys on both sides for months, but an impasse led to the federal lawsuit filing earlier this month.
Lawsuits are hardly a rarity in the realm of song credits--as one music publishing veteran remarked this week, "Where there's a hit, there's a writ"--but the suit against Hill is especially intriguing because she was viewed primarily as a vocalist before "Miseducation" won raves for her songwriting and production craft.
Sources close to Hill dismiss the lawsuit as an attempt to cash in by some overreaching studio musicians. But Peter C. Harvey, the attorney for the New Ark group, says it is Hill who is exaggerating her artistic heft. He says the hip-hop diva put her name on New Ark's work to establish herself as more than "just the singer" in the Fugees.
"She is not a musician, she is not a producer," Harvey said. "[New Ark] will make another album and everyone will see that they were the ones responsible for this album. I dare say if you put Lauryn Hill in a studio alone, she couldn't do it again. Album No. 2 for her is not going to sound like this."
That view is contradicted by numerous sources who say Hill is blossoming into a major creative force in pop music.
"Lauryn is a very gifted arranger, producer and writer, as well as a vocalist; she's the whole package," said Gordon "The Commissioner" Williams, the engineer at the sound board during most of the "Miseducation" sessions. Williams declined to discuss the lawsuit or New Ark's claims, but he described the album as a powerfully personal effort by Hill. "It's definitely her vision."
In their suit, the New Ark members say it was Pugh's four-year friendship with Hill that led the singer to invite the musicians to join her as she began planning her pivotal first solo effort in June 1997. The suit claims the singer and her would-be collaborators hit it off in their first meeting, making grand plans and sitting in a circle as Hill led them in prayer. Pugh and the others were giddy afterward. They had some credits to their career, but the chance to work with Hill was their "big break."
The suit also claims Hill made verbal assurances to New Ark that they would be credited and paid for major contributions to the album, but they never pinned down their role in writing--which Harvey concedes was an error.
The suit says the relationship between Hill and the New Ark musicians cooled as the album neared completion and the singer began backing off her earlier promises of credit.
Harvey says Hill's handlers tried to placate Pugh and the others in November 1997 by arranging a publishing deal with Sony/ATV, the same publisher that handled the "Miseducation" songs for Hill. The deal paid the New Ark musicians a $100,000 advance for rights to their future work. Harvey said the size of the deal supports the group's claim that they are far more than mere studio musicians, and, indeed, industry insiders said a contract of that size is unusual for unproven songwriters.
Shit is SSSOOOOO TRUE!!!
Peeps keep giving her props with "MIS-EDUACTION" like she was the Second Coming of Aretha and shit.
It's needs to stop.
Girl is a One-Trick Pony.
She has no discography.
And no sense of musical struggle to even act the way she does.
And stupid people out here still buy concert tix never know if she's eve going to show up
Stop Giving This Chick Any Credence Already!
She Ain't Worth It!
Peeps keep giving her props with "MIS-EDUACTION" like she was the Second Coming of Aretha and shit.
It's needs to stop.
Girl is a One-Trick Pony.
She has no discography.
And no sense of musical struggle to even act the way she does.
And stupid people out here still buy concert tix never know if she's eve going to show up
Stop Giving This Chick Any Credence Already!
She Ain't Worth It!
Yep.
How do you make one incredible iconic album and then never make another album pretty much again and tour off that first album but can't play it anything other than live and have to change the lyrics lol
huge fraud
How do you make one incredible iconic album and then never make another album pretty much again and tour off that first album but can't play it anything other than live and have to change the lyrics lol
huge fraud
memphis.. and nope ain't nobody around here eating beef patties on the regular
they never sold those nowhere around hereI can't believe some of you Brothers never had a box of these and threw them in the oven. These were almost restaurant-quality
man you the only NY dude around here talk like you got some sense lol..
makes sense I guess...they country/backwards as hell out there anyway
Bruh I never heard of one til 2003. These mafuggas act like Jamaicans took over every hood in the US.
The first one I had was in Montego Bay and it tasted like a beef pot pie with curry in it.
I can't believe some of you Brothers never had a box of these and threw them in the oven. These were almost restaurant-quality
What kind of fisher price packaging shit is this?!?!
And if I didn't have a real one on the islands, I would think this is some East coast trick like White Castle. I heard all about that shit for years and I had that nasty shit y'all swore by. Fucking pickle bigger than the patty and the meat was like un seasoned pork breakfast patties. Simply disgusting.