Shane Mosley: I'm The Best at 147, Not Manny Pacquiao

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man i can watch that interview a million times :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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oh i want to go on trips
my tooth is loose
i may need dentures
how bout he fight someone else first"

that niggah didnt want it period
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Nothing more than a nigga looking for that final big payday. I'll fight this person, that person bullshit. He HAD nothing and was LOOKING for someone to help his pocketbook. He talked a TON of shit in that 24/7 thing as well. I'm going to WHIP Oscar's ass....(CTFU) Can't believe folks fell for that I'm going to actually fight shit. He didn't pick Shane THEN and he won't do it NOW for obvious reasons. He doesn't have the POWER to fk with Shane. His speed won't help him and his LEVEL of activity won't help him out either. He damn near LOST to Oscar barely throw a punch ass. He'd lose to a more active fighter. Why? They ain't going to give him the swing rounds.
 

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He should get absolute credit for the Hatton and Cotto wins but you're kidding on the Oscar one, right? How long ago was he a flyweight? DLH hadn't fought at welter in at least 4 years and was 36 yrs old. It taxes the body to drop that kind of weight in a short time at that age. Plus even Freddie Roach was saying he didn't think Oscar could "pull the trigger" anymore.

Oscar did NOT fight everybody. His list is impressive too...on paper. But he lost every superfight he ever had with the exception of Pernell Whitaker, which many say he won as a gift. He, or should I say the judges, stole the fight from Felix Sturm. He made Shane Mosley come up from lightweight to fight him at welter, a move that was criticized when Mayweather did it it Marquez (some difference admittedly exist). He ducked the shit of Winky Wright. Chavez was old as fuck and he fought him twice. The Ike Quartey win was a good one and close. Close enough he didn't give Ike a rematch. He fought Hector Camacho, for fuck's sake. I'm starting to think Floyd should have padded his resume with some old niggas. Maybe he could have got Ray Leonard or Alexis Arguello in the ring.


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No need to mention Oscar. It's old shit. His MOST recent fight at welterweight is LEGIT. So much so that it makes little to no sense to even LOOK at past fights. If the question is what have you done today, then he can say I whipped the reigning WBO Welterweight champion's ass and took his belt. Floyd? Not so much....
 

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Then turned around and got robbed by Trinidad.

Yeah.. I couldnt believe that shit...BUT he brought it on himself by running the last 3 rounds when he didnt need to... still dont understand why DLH did that shit :confused:
 

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Yeah.. I couldnt believe that shit...BUT he brought it on himself by running the last 3 rounds when he didnt need to... still dont understand why DLH did that shit :confused:

Cause he won the first 7 rounds he figured that was enough, plus Trinidads power was dangerous he didnt wanna end up like Meldrick Taylor.
 

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Dave come on man..... didnt say he won but you saying Oscar didnt fight damn near everybody who was anybody? You cant be serious. He didnt win the fights as I said but you cant say the man aint fight. He didnt duck Winky, he had no reason to fight him, the biggest draw in the sport had nothing to gain from any standpoint by fighting Winky. Of course they robbed strum I bring that up alot. But dont act like they didnt rob him with Trinidad. Oscars record reads like a who's who of the past 10 years..man fuck Chavez look at everybody he fought man. Seriously he didnt win most of them but Oscars resume cant be disparaged at all.

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What I'm sayin is Oscar's resume is padded like hell. Forget the wins and losses, he fought a lot of old ass dudes. That's the only reason he wanted to fight Bernard. He thought the nigga was old and spent and he could razzle-dazzle the judges, knowing B-Hop don't politic for anybody.
He robbed himself against Trinidad. He took off on his bike halfway through the fight. When people say Floyd runs, I need them to remember Oscar in the Trinidad fight, that was running. He was dominated and looking great but took for granted that he was leading and by how much.
He ducked Winky Wright like Wright was shooting at him. Both were middleweights and Winky, having just obliterated Trinidad, was one of the top attractions and names in boxing. Nothing.

The fact that his list of opponents is so gaudy should attract more critical analysis of it. There are only so many great fighters at any one time. Oscar was a guaranteed big payday and a lot of old heads, with their legacies intact, wanted that last big check. When he fought a guy from his era (Ike)he made damn sure not to fight them twice. The only reason Shane got two fights is he won the first.
 

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Yeah.. I couldnt believe that shit...BUT he brought it on himself by running the last 3 rounds when he didnt need to... still dont understand why DLH did that shit :confused:
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He didn't run. It was really good defense. Same shit Floyd employs. Avoid confrontation. Jab. Counter. Run. The only difference between THAT fight and Floyd's fight with Oscar is that two out the three judges in the Trinidad fight were old school judges. You don't get the SWING rounds by retreating and calling that shit defense. In the fight with Oscar, two out of three judges were impressed with that shit thus the SPLIT decision.
 

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Cause he won the first 7 rounds he figured that was enough, plus Trinidads power was dangerous he didnt wanna end up like Meldrick Taylor.

man ill never ever forgive Meldrick Taylors dumb ass.....ever

you won 11 fucking rounds in a row

what are you doing fighting in the 12th:confused:



u son of a bitch!!!!


that shit still pisses me off:angry::angry::angry::angry:
 

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man ill never ever forgive Meldrick Taylors dumb ass.....ever

you won 11 fucking rounds in a row

what are you doing fighting in the 12th:confused:



u son of a bitch!!!!


that shit still pisses me off:angry::angry::angry::angry:

On some real shit that was one of the first fights I ever watched. I still think the ref coulda let that 1 second go....:lol:

I seriously hate Chavez for that one moment.
 

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Nothing more than a nigga looking for that final big payday. I'll fight this person, that person bullshit. He HAD nothing and was LOOKING for someone to help his pocketbook. He talked a TON of shit in that 24/7 thing as well. I'm going to WHIP Oscar's ass....(CTFU) Can't believe folks fell for that I'm going to actually fight shit. He didn't pick Shane THEN and he won't do it NOW for obvious reasons. He doesn't have the POWER to fk with Shane. His speed won't help him and his LEVEL of activity won't help him out either. He damn near LOST to Oscar barely throw a punch ass. He'd lose to a more active fighter. Why? They ain't going to give him the swing rounds.

give me speed over power any day. What's the point in having power if you can't land it.
 

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He didn't run. It was really good defense. Same shit Floyd employs. Avoid confrontation. Jab. Counter. Run. The only difference between THAT fight and Floyd's fight with Oscar is that two out the three judges in the Trinidad fight were old school judges. You don't get the SWING rounds by retreating and calling that shit defense. In the fight with Oscar, two out of three judges were impressed with that shit thus the SPLIT decision.

He ran in that fight. No way to get around it. What Oscar did and what Floyd does...does not even equate. Floyd is not a power puncher....is a defensive specialist and counter-punches with precision. He doesnt look to engage with larger boxers...he outboxes them..doesnt brawl.

DLH completely stopped BOXING.. notice I didnt say FIGHTING.. he completely stopped boxing period those last few rounds and completely ran thinking that he was up enough in points to squeeze it out..

He wasnt exchanging, counter punching, and then retreating. He literally ran around the ring for 3 minutes for the final rounds... that is why the fight was taken from him.

Floyd, like Willie Pep, can look good being completely defensive as at least he is making the opponent look foolish by coming up with only air after throwing a combo... DLH fucking ran those last few rounds. I still think he got robbed... but he brought that on himself by running
 

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What I'm sayin is Oscar's resume is padded like hell. Forget the wins and losses, he fought a lot of old ass dudes. That's the only reason he wanted to fight Bernard. He thought the nigga was old and spent and he could razzle-dazzle the judges, knowing B-Hop don't politic for anybody.
He robbed himself against Trinidad. He took off on his bike halfway through the fight. When people say Floyd runs, I need them to remember Oscar in the Trinidad fight, that was running. He was dominated and looking great but took for granted that he was leading and by how much.
He ducked Winky Wright like Wright was shooting at him. Both were middleweights and Winky, having just obliterated Trinidad, was one of the top attractions and names in boxing. Nothing.

The fact that his list of opponents is so gaudy should attract more critical analysis of it. There are only so many great fighters at any one time. Oscar was a guaranteed big payday and a lot of old heads, with their legacies intact, wanted that last big check. When he fought a guy from his era (Ike)he made damn sure not to fight them twice. The only reason Shane got two fights is he won the first.

But you think those old head beat downs were early in his career. Also at middleweight Oscar was there for the moment. He only fought Sturm to "test" the weight (Lost in my opinion) for Hopkins, fought Hop for the money. Wasnt like he was gonna stay there....(Puts on Grandad face) Boy you know damn well Winky Wright aint never been a big attraction!!

You are right there are only so many great fighters at one time and Oscar fought damn near all of them for his time.
 

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He ran in that fight. No way to get around it. What Oscar did and what Floyd does...does not even equate. Floyd is not a power puncher....is a defensive specialist and counter-punches with precision. He doesnt look to engage with larger boxer...he outboxes them..doesnt brawl.

DLH completely stopped BOXING.. notice I didnt say FIGHTING.. he completely stopped boxing period those last few rounds and completely ran thinking that he was up enough in points to squeeze it out..

Shit I had him up 7-0 going into the 8th so shit I dont agree with his strategy but I could see how he thought he could run and win considering he won 7 rounds out of a possible 12. But yeah you right 9-12 dude straight.:dance: away.
 

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Shit I had him up 7-0 going into the 8th so shit I dont agree with his strategy but I could see how he thought he could run and win considering he won 7 rounds out of a possible 12. But yeah you right 9-12 dude straight.:dance: away.

yeah.. I thought he dominated that fight... I understand what you were saying about him thinking he was up so much he could coast.. but damn..he wasnt coasting..he was fucking running to avoid ALL contact :lol::lol:
 

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man ill never ever forgive Meldrick Taylors dumb ass.....ever

you won 11 fucking rounds in a row

what are you doing fighting in the 12th:confused:



u son of a bitch!!!!


that shit still pisses me off:angry::angry::angry::angry:

If you watch it again and listen to his corner after round 11, they were telling him he needed round 12 to win the fight :smh:
 

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He didn't run. It was really good defense. Same shit Floyd employs. Avoid confrontation. Jab. Counter. Run. The only difference between THAT fight and Floyd's fight with Oscar is that two out the three judges in the Trinidad fight were old school judges. You don't get the SWING rounds by retreating and calling that shit defense. In the fight with Oscar, two out of three judges were impressed with that shit thus the SPLIT decision.

Bullshit. Floyd, like Whitaker before him, stands right in front of guys and makes them miss. What Oscar did was almost literally run for the last three rds.
He doesn't really move until he's thrown his combination or he feels like his opponents trying to corner him and even then he sometimes uses the opportunity to counterpunch.

man ill never ever forgive Meldrick Taylors dumb ass.....ever

you won 11 fucking rounds in a row

what are you doing fighting in the 12th:confused:



u son of a bitch!!!!


that shit still pisses me off:angry::angry::angry::angry:

Meldrick's corner fucked him on that one. He should have taken off the same way Oscar would later do with Trinidad. Fuck fans booing or any of that shit, you've done your job for 11 rds, you've earned a break in the 12th.

But you think those old head beat downs were early in his career. Also at middleweight Oscar was there for the moment. He only fought Sturm to "test" the weight (Lost in my opinion) for Hopkins, fought Hop for the money. Wasnt like he was gonna stay there....(Puts on Grandad face) Boy you know damn well Winky Wright aint never been a big attraction!!
OK, "big attraction" may be a stretch but he was at the peak of his notoriety and was bigger than Vargas or Mayorga, who DLH did fight.
With B-Hop, it was the same thing as the fight with Pacquiao. He thought he have an advantage (with Pac it was supposed to be size and strength, with B, it was speed and skill) and was painfully wrong.
You are right there are only so many great fighters at one time and Oscar fought damn near all of them for his time.
That's true, I'm just saying he fought a lot of top guys from before his time too.
 

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Bullshit. Floyd, like Whitaker before him, stands right in front of guys and makes them miss. What Oscar did was almost literally run for the last three rds.
He doesn't really move until he's thrown his combination or he feels like his opponents trying to corner him and even then he sometimes uses the opportunity to counterpunch.



Meldrick's corner fucked him on that one. He should have taken off the same way Oscar would later do with Trinidad. Fuck fans booing or any of that shit, you've done your job for 11 rds, you've earned a break in the 12th.


OK, "big attraction" may be a stretch but he was at the peak of his notoriety and was bigger than Vargas or Mayorga, who DLH did fight.
With B-Hop, it was the same thing as the fight with Pacquiao. He thought he have an advantage (with Pac it was supposed to be size and strength, with B, it was speed and skill) and was painfully wrong.

That's true, I'm just saying he fought a lot of top guys from before his time too.

He fought old fighters I will admit that. Only thing I disagree with is Vargas was bigger than Winky. He brought more fans. Thats the reason Winky couldnt get any fights he wanted, no attraction value.


Far as Meldrick, yeah your corner is telling you that because they didnt want the judges to rob him but as the man thats in the damn ring you KNOW when you done whooped somebody all night, he didnt need them to tell him that.
 

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poor Shane. He is a fighting good right now, so I guess ya can't TOTALLY discount him. He aint gettin that big money though, til this other fight hopefully happens. He blew it when he had it.
 

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He fought old fighters I will admit that. Only thing I disagree with is Vargas was bigger than Winky. He brought more fans. Thats the reason Winky couldnt get any fights he wanted, no attraction value.

Far as Meldrick, yeah your corner is telling you that because they didnt want the judges to rob him but as the man thats in the damn ring you KNOW when you done whooped somebody all night, he didnt need them to tell him that.

How about this: Wright was a more credible opponent. Vargas was good and even had a highly disputed win over Wright but he wasn't close to being a legit top guy. Wright had beaten Mosley and Trinidad, both of whom had beaten DLH and Trinidad had, at that point, beaten Vargas.
He thought Winky was enough of an attraction to partner up with him on the promotional side but he was too dangerous to fight. Winky called him out, saying, in front of him, "I want to fight my partner here". Oscar just smiled stupidly and kept it the fuck moving.
 

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How about this: Wright was a more credible opponent. Vargas was good and even had a highly disputed win over Wright but he wasn't close to being a legit top guy. Wright had beaten Mosley and Trinidad, both of whom had beaten DLH and Trinidad had, at that point, beaten Vargas.
He thought Winky was enough of an attraction to partner up with him on the promotional side but he was too dangerous to fight. Winky called him out, saying, in front of him, "I want to fight my partner here". Oscar just smiled stupidly and kept it the fuck moving.

I'll agree with that...
 

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Dave come on man..... didnt say he won but you saying Oscar didnt fight damn near everybody who was anybody? You cant be serious. He didnt win the fights as I said but you cant say the man aint fight. He didnt duck Winky, he had no reason to fight him, the biggest draw in the sport had nothing to gain from any standpoint by fighting Winky. Of course they robbed strum I bring that up alot. But dont act like they didnt rob him with Trinidad. Oscars record reads like a who's who of the past 10 years..man fuck Chavez look at everybody he fought man. Seriously he didnt win most of them but Oscars resume cant be disparaged at all.

Werd!!! Even though Oscar had some soft touches in his career, he DID fight a Prime Shane(multiple times), a Prime Trinidad, went after a BIGGER challenge in Hopkins, fought, Quartey...man the list does go on and on. That's why Oscar is going to be more respected than most people, including everyone's current GOD Chicken Mayweather, because even though he lost, he DID FIGHT challenges, and not all of them were smaller than him or at the end of their rope...:smh:
 

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Mosley pulled that Clubber Lang shit after Mayweather beat Marquez, but when the roles were reversed...


And this is exactly why PBF shouldn't give this nigga a shot. I bet TJarvey meat huggin ass ain't saying shit about this.
 

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Mosley pulled that Clubber Lang shit after Mayweather beat Marquez, but when the roles were reversed...



:lol::lol:
When he moves his tooth with his tongue, I'm :roflmao:.

So when Floyd needed/wanted the payday, it was okay to play games. Now that Madame Butterfly done got that nigga for HALF and he needs the payday, Floyd needs to jump to. Life's a bitch.
 

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He ran in that fight. No way to get around it. What Oscar did and what Floyd does...does not even equate. Floyd is not a power puncher....is a defensive specialist and counter-punches with precision. He doesnt look to engage with larger boxers...he outboxes them..doesnt brawl.

DLH completely stopped BOXING.. notice I didnt say FIGHTING.. he completely stopped boxing period those last few rounds and completely ran thinking that he was up enough in points to squeeze it out..

He wasnt exchanging, counter punching, and then retreating. He literally ran around the ring for 3 minutes for the final rounds... that is why the fight was taken from him.

Floyd, like Willie Pep, can look good being completely defensive as at least he is making the opponent look foolish by coming up with only air after throwing a combo... DLH fucking ran those last few rounds. I still think he got robbed... but he brought that on himself by running


Truthfully, Oscar was giving Trinidad a boxing lesson for 2/3 of the fight, but he saw Tito was getting closer to him, and his notoriously stamina challenged ass was getting tired so he was like 'Fuck this, I'm Out!!!'.... Ass out thought himself!:lol:
 

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Werd!!! Even though Oscar had some soft touches in his career, he DID fight a Prime Shane(multiple times), a Prime Trinidad, went after a BIGGER challenge in Hopkins, fought, Quartey...man the list does go on and on. That's why Oscar is going to be more respected than most people, including everyone's current GOD Chicken Mayweather, because even though he lost, he DID FIGHT challenges, and not all of them were smaller than him or at the end of their rope...:smh:

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You do know that Mayweather has fought more bigger opponents than smaller one, right? Castillo had him by nine pounds in their second fight and he was still in his prime.
 

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You do know that Mayweather has fought more bigger opponents than smaller one, right? Castillo had him by nine pounds in their second fight and he was still in his prime.

Its clear that nigga don't know shit about boxing but quick to keep PBF in his gums talkin some dumb shit.
 

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Its clear that nigga don't know shit about boxing but quick to keep PBF in his gums talkin some dumb shit.

If you read ANY of my post you would understand that I have spoken of my primary beef being with FLOYD has been the disparity of his fights. For every Castillo there has been 3 misfits or mismatches.. Also, this isn't a blog to detail every opponent but we have been discussing specific fighters and fights.

Therefore you can lay my dick on your gums and think before you open your fucking mouth!!!! I know more about the history of Boxing then you know about life motherfucker!!!! So take your Johnny Come lately ass back to the porn threads and commence to jacking Off!!!

Read the who thread nigga!!!!
 

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You do know that Mayweather has fought more bigger opponents than smaller one, right? Castillo had him by nine pounds in their second fight and he was still in his prime.

Again Dave, you are naming one Dude!!! For every one you name, there are 3 opposite type fights on Floyds ledger.....:smh:
 

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Again Dave, you are naming one Dude!!! For every one you name, there are 3 opposite type fights on Floyds ledger.....:smh:

No it's not. He was the smaller man or came up in weight to fight: Castillo (twice), Corley (an exhibition really,a good fighter but a journeyman), Baldomir, and De La Hoya.
By your math, you now have to find 12 smaller fighters. I'll spot you two: Hatton and Marquez.
 

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No it's not. He was the smaller man or came up in weight to fight: Castillo (twice), Corley (an exhibition really,a good fighter but a journeyman), Baldomir, and De La Hoya.
By your math, you now have to find 12 smaller fighters. I'll spot you two: Hatton and Marquez.

Didn't say 3 smaller, said 3 which weren't not the most competitive fights available...again Dude, and we can go back and forth all day, in the here and now (I would say 2006 to present as an estimate), Floyd has ducked MOST of the real challenges in the weight classes he was a part of. He would use the politics of the sport to his advantage, i.e. who had belts at the time, etc. to qualify his penchant for doing so. Honestly, I have no respect for this multiple weight class title bullshit as a definition of ones true accomplishments, thats why if you notice, I never mentions the contention that Pac has won in 7 classes. Too many belts, to saturated. Every fighter has some touches and
some hard fights, my point is, lately, Floyd has done his best to tap dance around the best challenges out there, using contradictory logic to qualify his reasoning why, and I as a true boxing fan, need to speak to that shit.

Ultimately, as a fan spending their money, I don't give a fuck about the business of boxing, who is the bigger draw, etc. and due to the fact that we are talking about Floyd, he is the focus of this discussion, but honestly, that is a global problem in the sport in general. No body is fighting the best competition out there, everyone has a reason, and I aint about to knock their hustle. Anybody has the right to make as much money with as little resistance as possible. But unlike most of you, I am not going to sit here and glorify Floyd as an all time great and shit, when when you cut to the chase he has not fought the level of competition throughout his career to warrant being mentioned in the same breath as the Robinsons, Leonards, Haglers, etc. The fact that he sincerely believes he should be bothers me.

In addition, I don't feel, Oscar, Pac, Mosley, etc. should be mentioned in the same breath as those guys either. I just want best fighters to fight the best fighters...:smh:
 

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Give you speed over power? Surely you know that in "professional" boxing the NUMBER of punches landed mean little to nothing. They only COUNT punches in amateur boxing. In other words, the quality of punch, ring generalship, etc. are part of PROFESSIONAL boxing. Floyd is SELLING tickets under the sign "Fools Only". Winky Wright is quick. Sweet Pea was quick. Michael Nunn was quick. If Floyd were simply "quick" no one would be paying attention to him. His KILLER instinct an TRUE abilities are at lightweight and not middleweight. He damn near lost to Oscar. (HE should have loss)
 

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He damn near lost to Oscar. (HE should have loss)
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