Shane Mosley: I'm The Best at 147, Not Manny Pacquiao

[Spectrum]

His biggest problem is he has no killer instinct. He stays in this envelope even when he has a dude hurt.

You know what though, it goes into why he is such a great damn boxer. Dude is one of the most disciplined fighters I have ever seen. He never goes off the script. He doesnt take any unnecessary risks. That is why he is so damn difficult to beat..he doesnt make many mistakes so you have very little window of opportunity to get lucky...because you arent going to outbox him so you need to land a big blow to win..and he doesnt give you many opportunities to do so.

I get what you are saying though... but that is never going to change. Dude is too disciplined and could care less about winning on style. Dude just wants to win the fight and it perfectly content with outpointing you.

That is why I would like to see how he would fight if he were really hurt...if he would remain disciplined or would he unravel

 

[TJervey]

yeah i seen that article. he posted it to discredit mayweather, but it only showed that mayweather wasn't a priority to arum. so he made his move, and made himself a ppv fighter without the help of arum.

So I guess this qualifies mayweathers choice in fighters? Dealing with mayweather ands arum was not the purpose of posting the article, I always knew arum and floyd had issues, since floyd was pissed about the 'slave' contract offered back in the day.

 

[shams]

So I guess this qualifies mayweathers choice in fighters? Dealing with mayweather ands arum was not the purpose of posting the article, I always knew arum and floyd had issues, since floyd was pissed about the 'slave' contract offered back in the day.

in a way it does. had he fought those guys, and not wait for the de la hoya fight which arum was against, he probably wouldn't be the ppv fighter he is today.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I definitely don't believe floyd runs. He actually has a style similar to a prime james toney. Dude has exception reflexes. One of the gifs on this site actually shows him dodging a punch from marquez a split second before he threw it. His biggest problem is he has no killer instinct. He stays in this envelope even when he has a dude hurt. That's the difference between him, bhop and definnitely pac...if they get a dude hurt they are knocking him the fuck out! Floyd is a hell of a tactician but if you like excitement...not so much...

I can't disagree with that at all and I like the guy. I think a big part of that is his brittle hands.

 

[Hellfish]

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Give you speed over power? Surely you know that in "professional" boxing the NUMBER of punches landed mean little to nothing

OH REALLY

 

[cincitystudios]

OH REALLY

exactly, these 2 cats just pitty pat your ass all fight... they don't put any muscle into the shit, they just keep the punches coming, an it wears boxers out

 

[TJervey]

exactly, these 2 cats just pitty pat your ass all fight... they don't put any muscle into the shit, they just keep the punches coming, an it wears boxers out

Results of Calzaghe's Pitty Pat non-muscled punches

Results of Paul Williams Pitty Pat non-muscled punches

Slappy bastards need to sit down on their punches more!!!!

 

[Lower9Nupe]

OH REALLY

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Clearly you haven't watched either of those guys fight. They HURT folks. Your BEST example is Winky Wright. (LOL) Speed ain't shit without power. Chris FKN Byrd....Need I say more? Didn't think so........Say whatever you want but the FACT remains Floyd has not fought a single welterweight worth mentioning. Add to that FACT he has retired when the welterweight division had SEVERAL fighters to check his ass. He RAN away and only DEBT brought him back. He needs to SHOW something at welterweight and it tickles me seeing so many folks who DON'T WANT to see him do it. THAT in a nutshell tells me half of these folks don't believe the shit their spreadin'.

 

[PinoleroNicoya85.]

Results of Calzaghe's Pitty Pat non-muscled punches

Results of Paul Williams Pitty Pat non-muscled punches

Slappy bastards need to sit down on their punches more!!!!

That's probably their gloves causing cuts from all those glancing blows...

 

[Lower9Nupe]

That's probably their gloves causing cuts from all those glancing blows...

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You're correct. Leather cuts. Yeah..I thought everyone knew what as well.

 

[TJervey]

That's probably their gloves causing cuts from all those glancing blows...

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You're correct. Leather cuts. Yeah..I thought everyone knew what as well.

Exactly, motherfuckers SLAPPED the shit outta Roy and Winky!!!!

 

[Lower9Nupe]

Exactly, motherfuckers SLAPPED the shit outta Roy and Winky!!!!

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Yep...Cuts ain't shit in boxing. They happen with jabs, punches and headbutts. Old scars reopen. Everyone knows this shit. (LOL)

 

[TJervey]

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Yep...Cuts ain't shit in boxing. They happen with jabs, punches and headbutts. Old scars reopen. Everyone knows this shit. (LOL)

True but Roy wasn't known to get cut a lot or having a lot of scar tissue...he WAS the Floyd Mayweather of the previous generation you know!!!!

Calzaghe fucked that nigga up!!!

 

[cincitystudios]

you didn't disprove my point... neither calzag or P Will have real good punch power if you get hit 300 times your eye will get cut too. Now if trinidad woulda hit you 1 time your going down

Roy could've easily beat calzag, I don't know what the fuck got into him, he was painting that cat in the 1st half of the fight... but maybe he was scared to get ko'ed again an decided to back off, but it didn't work

 

[TJervey]

you didn't disprove my point... neither calzag or P Will have real good punch power if you get hit 300 times your eye will get cut too. Now if trinidad woulda hit you 1 time your going down

Roy could've easily beat calzag, I don't know what the fuck got into him, he was painting that cat in the 1st half of the fight... but maybe he was scared to get ko'ed again an decided to back off, but it didn't work

Calzaghe's fist got into him...motherfucker hits harder than you think Roy said so himself...so did Jeff Lacy, who he REALLY fucked up!!!!

As far as Paul Williams goes, did you NOT see what that lanky Dude did to Quintana in their second fight? Wasn't shit about Pitty Pat there. Or how he fucked up Sharmba Mitchell a few years ago...believe these Dudes pitty pat if you want...They are stinging jokers

 

[cincitystudios]

i guess... Cotto hits hard, pac hits hard, mosley got some pop or he did against margarito

I didn't see calzy or p williams look like they had pop, against ploy jones or winky They prolly got a lil sting to them though, I'm just saying they are not KO punchers

 

[Lower9Nupe]

True but Roy wasn't known to get cut a lot or having a lot of scar tissue...he WAS the Floyd Mayweather of the previous generation you know!!!!

Calzaghe fucked that nigga up!!!

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Too many slappy-flaps punches. Shit happens. (LOL) T

 

[Upgrade Dave]

i guess... Cotto hits hard, pac hits hard, mosley got some pop or he did against margarito

I didn't see calzy or p williams look like they had pop, against ploy jones or winky They prolly got a lil sting to them though, I'm just saying they are not KO punchers

Can't say on Calzaghe but Williams has plenty of power to go with his punches. Ain't nobody Winky, nigga got a head of granite and a beard of stone. But in his previous three fights Williams won by stoppage, including first round stops on Carlos Quintana and middleweight Andy Kolle.
I hate the term "pitty-pat". Those are still grown men punching each other. I know I'm not the only person that remembers Ricky Hatton and his people having a good laugh at Floyd Mayweather's "pitty pat" sessions before their fight.

 

[ICEBURG SLIM]

ole Shane Mosley aka the Michael Jae White of boxing

 

[Zeferino]

True but Roy wasn't known to get cut a lot or having a lot of scar tissue...he WAS the Floyd Mayweather of the previous generation you know!!!!

Calzaghe fucked that nigga up!!!

Mayweather doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Roy Jones. Roy Jones had it all and was as close to the perfect fighter until he sabotaged himself playing weight games. Mayweather's claim to fame is an overrated defense. It's overrated because he's not testing it against offensive specialists like Mosley, Williams or even Cotto. Of course Mayweather's defense looks off the hook against Baldomir and Gatti. His offense didn't look so off the hook against Judah. Anyway, I digress. Jones was even more unhittable than Mayweather and made everyone look like a bum whether they were elite or not. Mayweather was having a very close fight with Hatton and barely escaped with a split decision against De La Hoya. Jones probably would never have lost even one round to those two guys hypothetically if they were in the same weight class,etc.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Mayweather was having a very close fight with Hatton and barely escaped with a split decision against De La Hoya.

Anything this nigga says has to be just for comedy, right?

Marquez was probably cheated too.

 

[AllState17]

Mayweather doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Roy Jones. Roy Jones had it all and was as close to the perfect fighter until he sabotaged himself playing weight games. Mayweather's claim to fame is an overrated defense. It's overrated because he's not testing it against offensive specialists like Mosley, Williams or even Cotto. Of course Mayweather's defense looks off the hook against Baldomir and Gatti. His offense didn't look so off the hook against Judah. Anyway, I digress. Jones was even more unhittable than Mayweather and made everyone look like a bum whether they were elite or not. Mayweather was having a very close fight with Hatton and barely escaped with a split decision against De La Hoya. Jones probably would never have lost even one round to those two guys hypothetically if they were in the same weight class,etc.

What a joke this is...

 

[Spectrum]

Mayweather doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Roy Jones. Roy Jones had it all and was as close to the perfect fighter until he sabotaged himself playing weight games.

Until he lost the speed then his bad habits began to expose him (dropping his hands repeatedly exposing his chin). RJJ was never really a good defensive fighter, he just had superhuman speed....but when he lost the speed, it was a wrap.

 

[Spectrum]

What a joke this is...

He just called arguably the second best defensive boxer of the last 20 years (sweat pea is #1), overrated defensively.... how so... dude rarely gets hit. He has the orthodox defensive style down pat...making cats come up with air all day as he fucking rolls punches..... Shit the last time she caught a flush power shot was from Zab and Zab is fast as hell and a southpaw.

 

[Spectrum]

l:

Anything this nigga has to be just for comedy, right?

Marquez was probably cheated too.

close fight with Hatton

 

[Zeferino]

Anything this nigga says has to be just for comedy, right?

Marquez was probably cheated too.

At the time of Mayweather's stoppage over Hatton, the fight wasn't close? Maybe you should look up the scorecards before going LOL crazy.

 

[Alaskanredman]

He just called arguably the second best defensive boxer of the last 20 years (sweat pea is #1), overrated defensively.... how so... dude rarely gets hit. He has the orthodox defensive style down pat...making cats come up with air all day as he fucking rolls punches..... Shit the last time she caught a flush power shot was from Zab and Zab is fast as hell and a southpaw.

I'll talk to you since you got sense

If Paul Williams moves down again.

1) Do you think Mayweather's defense would be enough? I'm not sure.

2) Do you think Shane will get desperate enough to call out Williams? I think if he beats Berto, and Floyd isn't a option he will probably call for a Cotto rematch.

3) If Berto wins against Shane, do you think he will call out Floyd?

 

[Zeferino]

He just called arguably the second best defensive boxer of the last 20 years (sweat pea is #1), overrated defensively.... how so... dude rarely gets hit. He has the orthodox defensive style down pat...making cats come up with air all day as he fucking rolls punches..... Shit the last time she caught a flush power shot was from Zab and Zab is fast as hell and a southpaw.

Exactly and that was because Zab was the most decent competition Floyd had in years. Factor in that Zab had just lost to a bum and had already been knocked out and you get an idea of the quality of Floyd's opponents. Now regarding Floyd's defense, please be objective and look at who he has been defending against. This guy has been defending against an old De La Hoya (always flurries and misses a lot), Baldomir ( a straight up bum), Gatti (a celebrated borderline bum), Corley (another bum), a bunch of other bums, an undersized Hatton, and a midget Marquez.

You Floyd fans should really expect more from him than this. How can you really rate his defensive skills against opposition like this? I could see if he was able to be untouchable against somebody decent like a Shane Mosley, Paul Williams, or damn, at least a Cory Spinks.

To put Floyd anywhere close to Sweet Pea on any list of all time great defenders is an insult to boxing itself. Sweet Pea proved his defensive skills against real guys like Azumah Nelson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Buddy McGirt, and many others. Floyd does not deserve to be there until he fights a live body his own size.

Oh yeah, Floyd didn't look so untouchable when he fought Jose Luis Castillo in a fight most thought he lost.

Let Floyd prove himself. To declare him all time greatest at anything right now is very premature because of the guys he's been fighting. I could also declare myself the greatest puncher of all time if I went to an elementary school and started knocking out 4 ft twelve year olds.

 

[Alaskanredman]

At the time of Mayweather's stoppage over Hatton, the fight wasn't close? Maybe you should look up the scorecards before going LOL crazy.

Scorecards... nigga do you just agree with judges? Most of the judges don't no how to score rounds.

How many clean shots did you see Hatton land?

All I saw was Hatton wrestling and Hugging.

 

[Spectrum]

I'll talk to you since you got sense

If Paul Williams moves down again.

1) Do you think Mayweather's defense would be enough? I'm not sure.

2) Do you think Shane will get desperate enough to call out Williams? I think if he beats Berto, and Floyd isn't a option he will probably call for a Cotto rematch.

3) If Berto wins against Shane, do you think he will call out Floyd?

1. I dont know. I think Williams would be really the ONLY fighter that would require Floyd to modify his fight strategy tremendously.

The problem is that Williams is so damn long that Floyd wouldnt be able to play the counterpunch, step away game. Floyd is quick enough to get off counterpunches and then create enough distance to escape contact.

However, with someone as long as Williams and as active... I just dont see how he would be able to outpoint Williams unless he becomes a much more active boxer offensively. But Floyd doesnt want to get into a brawl with Williams. He doesnt have the power to KO him either.

Styles make fights and PW provides a serious fucking style problem for Floyd... a fighter over 6 feet that just never stops throwing punches for twelve rounds... to me.. this would be the fight to prove that Floyd is indeed a master of the game...


2. I do think that Shane has the power to hurt Williams but I dont think he calls out Williams....too high risk-low reward.... Shane is looking for a big money fight and he doesnt get that with Williams..

I seriously just dont see Williams fighting at welterweight again. I mean dude already couldnt get a fight at welterweight and then look what he did to Winky ... after that Winky fight..I bet every welterweight was like fight Williams

3. if Shane beats Berto like he should....and if Floyd beats Pac.... Shane is going to be hollaring for a fight with Floyd... and there should be enough money in it for Floyd to make it....floyd is going to take at least 60 percent because Shane doesnt sell so he really has nothing to negotiate with...

If Floyd keeps fighting and doesnt fight Shane, it will be a real bitch move...especially if shane looks anything like the Shane that beat Margarito... but we need to see if Shane still has his speed (if the speed is still there against a faster fighter like Berto)...if he hasnt lost a considerable amount of speed, Shane can give Floyd problems.... because shane is fast, has power and he gets stronger as the fight goes on..he is not going to run out of gas like DLH, Zab, etc..

 

[Zeferino]

Until he lost the speed then his bad habits began to expose him (dropping his hands repeatedly exposing his chin). RJJ was never really a good defensive fighter, he just had superhuman speed....but when he lost the speed, it was a wrap.

Jones losing his speed is a myth. Jones is probably still the fastest guy in boxing right now. Jones lost more than speed, he lost muscle, strength and the ability to take a punch. This was a direct result of coming down in weight the wrong way especially since Jones had very little fat to burn in the first place. There are a lot of fast guys in boxing but simply having superhuman speed will not guarantee you success in boxing. You have to know the game and also have the stuff inside that it takes to be a champion. Andre Dirrell is fast as hell too but I seriously doubt that he will have the success of Roy Jones. Meldrick Taylor and Michael Nunn were speed demons also. So, to just dismiss Jones as some fast guy that was only good because of speed is extremely shallow.

What do you think would happen if Floyd Mayweather Jr decided to go back down to 135 pounds and rematch Juan Manuel Marquez there within the next 6 months?

 

[REDLINE]

I'd love to see them fight, after Floyd of course.

 

[Zeferino]

Scorecards... nigga do you just agree with judges? Most of the judges don't no how to score rounds.

How many clean shots did you see Hatton land?

All I saw was Hatton wrestling and Hugging.

It was a close, ugly, fight until Mayweather got him out of there. It was Mayweather backing up for most of the fight, barely firing combinations, and throwing one shot at a time. It was a close fight because Hatton was the one coming forward while Mayweather was backing up. As talented as Mayweather is supposed to be, I was surprised. Imagine if that was Pacquiao backing him up like that. Pacquiao doesn't attack all uncoordinated like Hatton and is much faster, uses feints, and uses angles like crazy.

Mayweather shouldn't be having close fights with guys like Hatton and De La Hoya if he's so great. Jones would have shut guys like that out no questions asked, round after round after round and he would not have been backing up.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Exactly and that was because Zab was the most decent competition Floyd had in years. Factor in that Zab had just lost to a bum and had already been knocked out and you get an idea of the quality of Floyd's opponents. Now regarding Floyd's defense, please be objective and look at who he has been defending against. This guy has been defending against an old De La Hoya (always flurries and misses a lot), Baldomir ( a straight up bum), Gatti (a celebrated borderline bum), Corley (another bum), a bunch of other bums, an undersized Hatton, and a midget Marquez.

You Floyd fans should really expect more from him than this. How can you really rate his defensive skills against opposition like this? I could see if he was able to be untouchable against somebody decent like a Shane Mosley, Paul Williams, or damn, at least a Cory Spinks.

To put Floyd anywhere close to Sweet Pea on any list of all time great defenders is an insult to boxing itself. Sweet Pea proved his defensive skills against real guys like Azumah Nelson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Buddy McGirt, and many others. Floyd does not deserve to be there until he fights a live body his own size.

Oh yeah, Floyd didn't look so untouchable when he fought Jose Luis Castillo in a fight most thought he lost.

Let Floyd prove himself. To declare him all time greatest at anything right now is very premature because of the guys he's been fighting. I could also declare myself the greatest puncher of all time if I went to an elementary school and started knocking out 4 ft twelve year olds.

I like Spinks, but you got to be kidding right. Floyd can't get credit for Zab, but he should fight Spinks.

Mosley didn't want it with Floyd. A fight between them could of happened years ago if Shane wasn't shook.

Paul Williams is fighting at Middleweight and Mayweather is a midget in comparison so if I use your excuses to discredit the Marquez victory. Why should it be far for Floyd to fight Williams?

Castillo was a great fighter. No one will argue that, but he still lost. I had both fights at draws myself.

 

[Zeferino]

1. I dont know. I think Williams would be really the ONLY fighter that would require Floyd to modify his fight strategy tremendously.

The problem is that Williams is so damn long that Floyd wouldnt be able to play the counterpunch, step away game. Floyd is quick enough to get off counterpunches and then create enough distance to escape contact.

However, with someone as long as Williams and as active... I just dont see how he would be able to outpoint Williams unless he becomes a much more active boxer offensively. But Floyd doesnt want to get into a brawl with Williams. He doesnt have the power to KO him either.

Styles make fights and PW provides a serious fucking style problem for Floyd... a fighter over 6 feet that just never stops throwing punches for twelve rounds... to me.. this would be the fight to prove that Floyd is indeed a master of the game...


2. I do think that Shane has the power to hurt Williams but I dont think he calls out Williams....too high risk-low reward.... Shane is looking for a big money fight and he doesnt get that with Williams..

I seriously just dont see Williams fighting at welterweight again. I mean dude already couldnt get a fight at welterweight and then look what he did to Winky ... after that Winky fight..I bet every welterweight was like fight Williams

3. if Shane beats Berto like he should....and if Floyd beats Pac.... Shane is going to be hollaring for a fight with Floyd... and there should be enough money in it for Floyd to make it....floyd is going to take at least 60 percent because Shane doesnt sell so he really has nothing to negotiate with...

If Floyd keeps fighting and doesnt fight Shane, it will be a real bitch move...especially if shane looks anything like the Shane that beat Margarito... but we need to see if Shane still has his speed (if the speed is still there against a faster fighter like Berto)...if he hasnt lost a considerable amount of speed, Shane can give Floyd problems.... because shane is fast, has power and he gets stronger as the fight goes on..he is not going to run out of gas like DLH, Zab, etc..

I agree with most of what you wrote. If Mayweather is supposed to be the master of defense, then he should be able to prove it against Williams or Mosley. I don't think Mosley is as good right now as Margarito made him look and as I've written on here before I think Berto might pull off the upset. However, I still think Mosley still has the class, style, speed, and quality to upset Mayweather. I can't see Mayweather landing single shots on Mosley or making Mosley miss. I'm not even sure Mayweather could beat Berto.