Shane Mosley: I'm The Best at 147, Not Manny Pacquiao

[Lower9Nupe]

poor Shane. He is a fighting good right now, so I guess ya can't TOTALLY discount him. He aint gettin that big money though, til this other fight hopefully happens. He blew it when he had it.

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He NEVER had a shot. (LOL) They didn't want no parts of Mosely. They can sugar coat that shit any which way they want. They're scared of his ass. Just like Paul Williams ain't being mentioned by ANYBODY. It's a fkn LOSS and possibly an ass whippin. (CTFU)

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Didn't say 3 smaller, said 3 which weren't not the most competitive fights available...again Dude, and we can go back and forth all day, in the here and now (I would say 2006 to present as an estimate), Floyd has ducked MOST of the real challenges in the weight classes he was a part of. He would use the politics of the sport to his advantage, i.e. who had belts at the time, etc. to qualify his penchant for doing so. Honestly, I have no respect for this multiple weight class title bullshit as a definition of ones true accomplishments, thats why if you notice, I never mentions the contention that Pac has won in 7 classes. Too many belts, to saturated. Every fighter has some touches and
some hard fights, my point is, lately, Floyd has done his best to tap dance around the best challenges out there, using contradictory logic to qualify his reasoning why, and I as a true boxing fan, need to speak to that shit.

This may really be the only point where we disagree because I would like to see the best fight the best as well. Hell, I'm very much like you when it comes to the "X guy won so many titles in so many divisions" hype. It's major when Henry Armstrong wins 3 and there are only 7 divisions. It's much less when each division has three "subdivions" (light/jr, main, super) and 4-5 different alphabet titles. But I don't think Mayweather has avoided most of the top contenders in his weight classes. It may just be a matter of perspective. I think he fought all the best guys to earn the p4p title and to be respected and then he's now cashing in. You might not care about the business but smart boxers do. It's called "prizefighting". Mayweather could either stay the course and end up begging like Shane Mosley or do it the way he did it.
Leonard, Hagler, Hearns are popular names we like to throw around but they fought in a different era, when the top guy and top draw were usually the same guy. Now it's not like that. Tyson was the top draw long after his run was over. Same with DLH.
When it comes to Mayweather, he could have fought Margarito (not really Cotto, that fight was never there to make)but then the same people that downplay his wins over everybody else would downplay that one because simply, what has Margarito ever done?

In addition, I don't feel, Oscar, Pac, Mosley, etc. should be mentioned in the same breath as those guys either. I just want best fighters to fight the best fighters...

See that's why I can respect our differences of opinion without thinking you're just another Mayweather-hater. Oscar and Pac have conducted their business the exact same way as Mayweather, yet he's the one that's a "coward". That kind of hypocrisy is what irks me.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

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Give you speed over power? Surely you know that in "professional" boxing the NUMBER of punches landed mean little to nothing. They only COUNT punches in amateur boxing. In other words, the quality of punch, ring generalship, etc. are part of PROFESSIONAL boxing. Floyd is SELLING tickets under the sign "Fools Only". Winky Wright is quick. Sweet Pea was quick. Michael Nunn was quick. If Floyd were simply "quick" no one would be paying attention to him. His KILLER instinct an TRUE abilities are at lightweight and not middleweight. He damn near lost to Oscar. (HE should have loss)

No he shouldn't have. He clearly controlled that fight from around the 3-4th round forward, all on the criteria you used: ring generalship, punches landed and quality of punches. The right guy won that fight. Even Oscar doesn't put up more than a weak defense for losing that fight and he's the whiniest, excuse-makingest bitch in boxing.

 

[Zeferino]

Shit I had him up 7-0 going into the 8th so shit I dont agree with his strategy but I could see how he thought he could run and win considering he won 7 rounds out of a possible 12. But yeah you right 9-12 dude straight. away.

I don't see how you could have it 7-0. The first four rounds were toss up rounds where neither guy dominated. Oscar did not clearly start winning rounds until the 5th and he did take rounds 5 through 8 straight.

 

[Zeferino]

No he shouldn't have. He clearly controlled that fight from around the 3-4th round forward, all on the criteria you used: ring generalship, punches landed and quality of punches. The right guy won that fight. Even Oscar doesn't put up more than a weak defense for losing that fight and he's the whiniest, excuse-makingest bitch in boxing.

Oscar deserved to lose but Mayweather put on a pitiful performance.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Cause he won the first 7 rounds he figured that was enough, plus Trinidads power was dangerous he didnt wanna end up like Meldrick Taylor.

I don't see how you could have it 7-0. The first four rounds were toss up rounds where neither guy dominated. Oscar did not clearly start winning rounds until the 5th and he did take rounds 5 through 8 straight.

And that's why he lost. He thought he had won at least 7 straight rds, not thinking that the judges would have scored the first 4 rds. closer than that.
An exact opposite of his friend Bernard Hopkins sleeping through the first 8 rds of his first fight with Jermain Taylor then coming on strong in the last 4.

 

[ebonymanej]

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What I'm sayin is Oscar's resume is padded like hell. Forget the wins and losses, he fought a lot of old ass dudes. That's the only reason he wanted to fight Bernard. He thought the nigga was old and spent and he could razzle-dazzle the judges, knowing B-Hop don't politic for anybody.
He robbed himself against Trinidad. He took off on his bike halfway through the fight. When people say Floyd runs, I need them to remember Oscar in the Trinidad fight, that was running. He was dominated and looking great but took for granted that he was leading and by how much.
He ducked Winky Wright like Wright was shooting at him. Both were middleweights and Winky, having just obliterated Trinidad, was one of the top attractions and names in boxing. Nothing.

The fact that his list of opponents is so gaudy should attract more critical analysis of it. There are only so many great fighters at any one time. Oscar was a guaranteed big payday and a lot of old heads, with their legacies intact, wanted that last big check. When he fought a guy from his era (Ike)he made damn sure not to fight them twice. The only reason Shane got two fights is he won the first.

I usually don't get into to these debates but some of you DLH critics might not remember that even when Oscar was fighting early in his career he fought a lot of good fighter that had good records they were supposed to be tough tests for him but after he beat most of them soundly they were all of a sudden bums. my point is he tried to fight all the fighters that were supposed to be the best fighters at those times in his career all fighters take easy fights in their careers or "tune up fights" but Oscar didn't duck to many fighters.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Oscar deserved to lose but Mayweather put on a pitiful performance.

Pitiful? I thought it was a sound performance against a bigger opponent that he had very little chance of knocking out. Even in his worse loss (against Pac at 147) DLH quit, he didn't get knocked out. I just don't think Mayweather has the punching power at welter (or jr. middle when he fought DLH)to stop too many people.

 

[jms]

Didn't he lose to Cotto?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I usually don't get into to these debates but some of you DLH critics might not remember that even when Oscar was fighting early in his career he fought a lot of good fighter that had good records they were supposed to be tough tests for him but after he beat most of them soundly they were all of a sudden bums. my point is he tried to fight all the fighters that were supposed to be the best fighters at those times in his career all fighters take easy fights in their careers or "tune up fights" but Oscar didn't duck to many fighters.

That may be true to an extent but Camacho, Whitaker, and Chavez do not fit that description. I'm hating on his beating Hernandez, Leija, Ruelas, or any other good guys in his generation. I'm specifically talking about the high profile-low risk fights that he gets raves for winning (or being awared in the case of Whitaker).

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Didn't he lose to Cotto?

He lost a close fight to Cotto but Cotto has gone on to lose 2 out 3 big fights, both by ko. Shane beat Margarito, who first beat Cotto, so he has a legit claim as top guy. It can't be Pacquiao or Mayweather.

 

[Spectrum]

Oscar deserved to lose but Mayweather put on a pitiful performance.

After DLH stop throwing the jab in the 6th the fight was over... he was popping Mayweather with the jab consistently.... however, Mayweather clearly controlled the fight after round 6... it would have been stupid for mayweather to go in their and bang with the larger fighter who still had a good left hook at that point...and regardless of what people say... DLH was clearly shot by the time he fought pacman..going down in weight clearly took everything out of DLH because he was on the tail end during the fight with Mayweather but at least he looked fresh starting the foot.. he didnt have anything left in the tank for the pacman fight clearly..

 

[Lower9Nupe]

No he shouldn't have. He clearly controlled that fight from around the 3-4th round forward, all on the criteria you used: ring generalship, punches landed and quality of punches. The right guy won that fight. Even Oscar doesn't put up more than a weak defense for losing that fight and he's the whiniest, excuse-makingest bitch in boxing.

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If control means he landed a few more punches (nothing on them) and retreated (as a form of defense)then you're right. The fact that he received a SPLIT decision clearly shows his WIN is subjective. As far as Oscar is concerned...who cares (LOL)...the FACT remains that ANYONE willing to watch Floyd run for 12 rounds is out of their fuckin' mind. He AIN'T going to fight. I know it and technically damn near EVERY Floyd fan on this website knows it as well. What they're HOPING is that he will fight because THAT is what they'd really like to see versus trying to find colorful ways to make his "defensive" performance equate to dominance. It's the equivalent of calling a fat chick thick..Doesn't matter what word you use the bitch is fat.

 

[Spectrum]

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He AIN'T going to fight.

We can appreciate BOXING and dont need to see a brawl or fight. Same reason why I can watch B-hop and not cry about the fight being boring. My favorite fighter was Sweat Pea and he was probably less active than Floyd at times and certainly had much less power than Floyd. However, he was the greatest defensive boxer of his generation and his bouts entertained me...because what they do is highly skillful and rare... boxers who can win being defensive boxers..

 

[Upgrade Dave]

After DLH stop throwing the jab in the 6th the fight was over... he was popping Mayweather with the jab consistently.... however, Mayweather clearly controlled the fight after round 6... it would have been stupid for mayweather to go in their and bang with the larger fighter who still had a good left hook at that point...and regardless of what people say... DLH was clearly shot by the time he fought pacman..going down in weight clearly took everything out of DLH because he was on the tail end during the fight with Mayweather but at least he looked fresh starting the foot.. he didnt have anything left in the tank for the pacman fight clearly..

That was due to May's taking it away. It looked like it was working but to DLH it didn't. If it was really working, he would have kept throwing it. Floyd figured it and DLH lost one of is best weapons.

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If control means he landed a few more punches (nothing on them) and retreated (as a form of defense)then you're right. The fact that he received a SPLIT decision clearly shows his WIN is subjective. As far as Oscar is concerned...who cares (LOL)...the FACT remains that ANYONE willing to watch Floyd run for 12 rounds is out of their fuckin' mind. He AIN'T going to fight. I know it and technically damn near EVERY Floyd fan on this website knows it as well. What they're HOPING is that he will fight because THAT is what they'd really like to see versus trying to find colorful ways to make his "defensive" performance equate to dominance. It's the equivalent of calling a fat chick thick..Doesn't matter what word you use the bitch is fat.

Come on,man. Everybody knows if you get a split decision win over Oscar De La Hoya in Las Vegas, you would have gotten a UD anywhere else.
As I said before, if you want to see "running" see Oscar against Trinidad. That is not what Floyd Mayweather does.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

We can appreciate BOXING and dont need to see a brawl or fight. Same reason why I can watch B-hop and not cry about the fight being boring. My favorite fighter was Sweat Pea and he was probably less active than Floyd at times and certainly had much less power than Floyd. However, he was the greatest defensive boxer of his generation and his bouts entertained me...because what they do is highly skillful and rare... boxers who can win being defensive boxers..

Nice to see another fan of boxing, the sport.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

We can appreciate BOXING and dont need to see a brawl or fight. Same reason why I can watch B-hop and not cry about the fight being boring. My favorite fighter was Sweat Pea and he was probably less active than Floyd at times and certainly had much less power than Floyd. However, he was the greatest defensive boxer of his generation and his bouts entertained me...because what they do is highly skillful and rare... boxers who can win being defensive boxers..

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Bernard Hopkins is called the EXECUTIONER, not the running man. He damn near KILLEd Kelly Pavlik. He knocked Oscar out with a BODY shot. He beat Tito's ass like he stole something. While Ali floated like a butterfly even his ass STUNG like a bee. You're finding CREATIVE ways to describe Floyd's style while CONVENIENTLY forgetting about the fact that he USE to whip people's ass at lightweight. Floyd is a pansy at welterweight. (No offense of course)

 

[shams]

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If control means he landed a few more punches (nothing on them) and retreated (as a form of defense)then you're right. The fact that he received a SPLIT decision clearly shows his WIN is subjective. As far as Oscar is concerned...who cares (LOL)...the FACT remains that ANYONE willing to watch Floyd run for 12 rounds is out of their fuckin' mind. He AIN'T going to fight. I know it and technically damn near EVERY Floyd fan on this website knows it as well. What they're HOPING is that he will fight because THAT is what they'd really like to see versus trying to find colorful ways to make his "defensive" performance equate to dominance. It's the equivalent of calling a fat chick thick..Doesn't matter what word you use the bitch is fat.

the fact that you think floyd is running during his fights shows what style of boxing you like to watch. it also shows that you dislike floyd as a BOXER. the sport is called boxing not brawling. action packed fights are great, but seeing one fighter school another fighter while not getting hit cleanly is even more exciting than watching 2 people slug it out in my opinion. approaching boxing like chess and not checkers is more entertaining to me. that's probably why ali's fight against foreman is often his most talked about victory.

 

[Spectrum]

That was due to May's taking it away. It looked like it was working but to DLH it didn't. If it was really working, he would have kept throwing it. Floyd figured it and DLH lost one of is best weapons.

It was definitely hitting because Floyd was uncharacteristically lumped up after that cat... what I couldnt see was...if there was something that floyd did to take the jab away or did DLH just get gassed and stopped throwing it..because after the 6th round, he just completely stopped throwing it.. but it wouldnt be the first time someone was successful early against floyd and then completely fell about (zab judah)... but even in that fight..i didnt catch the tactical change by floyd.. I do know that zab was gassed out after the 5th round... and then Floyd put on a clinic.... maybe just a combination of a subtle tactical change AND being just way more conditioned that most fighters...because those are two fights that were close early and then Floyd jsut completely dominated late..

 

[Upgrade Dave]

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Bernard Hopkins is called the FUCKIN EXECUTIONER, not the running man. He damn near KILLEd Kelly Pavlik. He knocked Oscar out with a BODY shot. He beat Tito's ass like he stole something. While Ali floated like a butterfly even his ass STUNG like a bee. You're finding CREATIVE ways to describe Floyd's style while CONVENIENTLY forgetting about the fact that he USE to whip people's ass at lightweight. Floyd is a pansy at welterweight.

Hopkins called himself "The Executioner". He grabs, holds, butts, elbows, and steps on toes better than anybody in boxing. He uses his natural gifts to his advantage and that's superior conditioning and an ability to cheat without being penalized. The two knockouts you mentioned were against guys coming up to middleweight and Pavlik was coming up to 170 at a catchweight.

Mayweather ko'd Mitchell and Gatti (at jr.), was on the way to stopping Judah before it turned into a neighborhood cookout, and knocked out Hatton. He didn't stand a chance of ko'ing Baldomir and De La Hoya, too big. He didn't knock out Marquez (did get a knockdown).

 

[Spectrum]

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Bernard Hopkins is called the EXECUTIONER, not the running man. He damn near KILLEd Kelly Pavlik. He knocked Oscar out with a BODY shot. He beat Tito's ass like he stole something. While Ali floated like a butterfly even his ass STUNG like a bee. You're finding CREATIVE ways to describe Floyd's style while CONVENIENTLY forgetting about the fact that he USE to whip people's ass at lightweight. Floyd is a pansy at welterweight. (No offense of course)

But B-hop is also accused of the same shit you accuse Floyd of... a boring defensive style that puts viewers to sleep...that shit he did to Tito was wrong but Tito was too got-damn small to be fighting B-hop and it showed...


Im not conveniently leaving anything out. Floyd has never been an offensive fighter or a power puncher...at any weight. Obviously he had more power at the lower weight classes HOWEVER he was never a power puncher and dude has brittle-ass hands that often break during fights. How many times he has broken a hand landing a power shot. It just isnt his game. He beats the shit out of people at welterweight.. he just doesnt have a high KO rate as he is not a KO fighter.... but neither was Sweat Pea.. was sweat pea a pansy because he had less power than Floyd and was less active on the offensive end

 

[Upgrade Dave]

It was definitely hitting because Floyd was uncharacteristically lumped up after that cat... what I couldnt see was...if there was something that floyd did to take the jab away or did DLH just get gassed and stopped throwing it..because after the 6th round, he just completely stopped throwing it.. but it wouldnt be the first time someone was successful early against floyd and then completely fell about (zab judah)... but even in that fight..i didnt catch the tactical change by floyd.. I do know that zab was gassed out after the 5th round... and then Floyd put on a clinic.... maybe just a combination of a subtle tactical change AND being just way more conditioned that most fighters...because those are two fights that were close early and then Floyd jsut completely dominated late..

I could see that. One thing Floyd does that's similar to Hopkins is he stays in shape between fights. Whenever I hear about a fighter who lets his weight balloon between fights, I know he's not going to be a true elite fighter (Hatton, J. Taylor come to mind immediately). They may have some success but it won't last.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

the fact that you think floyd is running during his fights shows what style of boxing you like to watch. it also shows that you dislike floyd as a BOXER. the sport is called boxing not brawling. action packed fights are great, but seeing one fighter school another fighter while not getting hit cleanly is even more exciting than watching 2 people slug it out in my opinion. approaching boxing like chess and not checkers is more entertaining to me. that's probably why ali's fight against foreman is often his most talked about victory.

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On the contrary..I have CLEARLY stated on many occasions that Floyd is without a doubt one of the best lightweights EVER as well as boxers. However, it's time to call a spade a spade. The money is in the welterweight division these days (no more Corrales, etc.) so he had only two choices. He could "sell" the idea that he's a welterweight while NEVER truly facing any real competition (Margarito, Clottey, Mosely, Cotto, Williams) and fight smaller, well known and respected fighters or try to do what he did in the past and go after championships and unify belts.....Which did he choose? Was it because the money wasn't right? It wasn't right despite being in debt to the IRS? It wasn't right because he'd only earn what...$10MM-$15MM per fight? People would have paid GOOD money to see him try to beat (Margarito, Clottey, Mosely, etc.)..Let's not PRETEND they wouldn't because we know better. My argument is a simple one. One that many can't seem to wrap themselves around. He hasn't SHOWN a true ability to fight at welterweight and has dodged EVERYONE in the division while claiming to be the best. Does he deserve a shot at Manny? Where is he ranked as a welterweight? I don't know. On that note, don't confuse a nigga simply recognizing someone trying to pass off a Honda as a Bentley. That's all I'm saying...Peace

 

[Spectrum]

I could see that. One thing Floyd does that's similar to Hopkins is he stays in shape between fights. Whenever I hear about a fighter who lets his weight balloon between fights, I know he's not going to be a true elite fighter (Hatton, J. Taylor come to mind immediately). They may have some success but it won't last.

Those cats stay ready to fight.

Did you see fucking Hatton laterly.. man I saw that cat do some interview a couple of months ago and it looked like he put on a good 50 pounds..no shit..he was huge

 

[Lower9Nupe]

But B-hop is also accused of the same shit you accuse Floyd of... a boring defensive style that puts viewers to sleep...that shit he did to Tito was wrong but Tito was too got-damn small to be fighting B-hop and it showed...


Im not conveniently leaving anything out. Floyd has never been an offensive fighter or a power puncher...at any weight. Obviously he had more power at the lower weight classes HOWEVER he was never a power puncher and dude has brittle-ass hands that often break during fights. How many times he has broken a hand landing a power shot. It just isnt his game. He beats the shit out of people at welterweight.. he just doesnt have a high KO rate as he is not a KO fighter.... but neither was Sweat Pea.. was sweat pea a pansy because he had less power than Floyd and was less active on the offensive end

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No matter how you slice it Bernard is a horrible example. He knocks folks out and hurts them. You can't ask for more than that. Floyd was a killer at lightweight. Let's not forget that. Let's not paint him as the second coming of Whitaker because he is far greater than that. He's a pansy at welterweight until he SHOWS he can hurt one. Later

 

[D-TOWN REP]

 

[Spectrum]

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No matter how you slice it Bernard is a horrible example. He knocks folks out and hurts them. You can't ask for more than that.

You arent being honest here man.

Place the date of the last time Hopkins won by KO

B-hop aint had a KO since DLH and about 2 total in the last 8 years...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

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On the contrary..I have CLEARLY stated on many occasions that Floyd is without a doubt one of the best lightweights EVER as well as boxers. However, it's time to call a spade a spade. The money is in the welterweight division these days (no more Corrales, etc.) so he had only two choices. He could "sell" the idea that he's a welterweight while NEVER truly facing any real competition (Margarito, Clottey, Mosely, Cotto, Williams) and fight smaller, well known and respected fighters or try to do what he did in the past and go after championships and unify belts.....Which did he choose? Was it because the money wasn't right? It wasn't right despite being in debt to the IRS? It wasn't right because he'd only earn what...$10MM-$15MM per fight? People would have paid GOOD money to see him try to beat (Margarito, Clottey, Mosely, etc.)..Let's not PRETEND they wouldn't because we know better. My argument is a simple one. One that many can't seem to wrap themselves around. He hasn't SHOWN a true ability to fight at welterweight and has dodged EVERYONE in the division while claiming to be the best. Does he deserve a shot at Manny? Where is he ranked as a welterweight? I don't know. On that note, don't confuse a nigga simply recognizing someone trying to pass off a Honda as a Bentley. That's all I'm saying...Peace

He already had several welterweight titles. Unifying belts used to mean something when there were only 2 or 3. Now there are at least 4.
Clottey lost a tight one to Margarito so he wasn't a contender. Margarito was a contender but he was a nobody at a time when May was trying to get on ppv. Plus he had no high profile win while Baldomir had three belts and two high profile wins over Judah and Gatti. Williams was and is ducked by everyone. Cotto didn't become a top guy until he beat Judah and Mosley and by then Mayweather was in only in the ppv business or taking a sabbatical. Mosley hardly counts as being ducked since he spent so much time at jr. middle and wanted no parts of fighting Mayweather at welter, which is ironic because now he's so hungry for a fight, he was willing to fight Pacquiao at 140.
While some people may not like it, the top guys only fight twice a year at the most, especially as they get older. It's the second tier guys who have to earn the chance to fight them, not the other way around.

 

[shams]

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On the contrary..I have CLEARLY stated on many occasions that Floyd is without a doubt one of the best lightweights EVER as well as boxers. However, it's time to call a spade a spade. The money is in the welterweight division these days (no more Corrales, etc.) so he had only two choices. He could "sell" the idea that he's a welterweight while NEVER truly facing any real competition (Margarito, Clottey, Mosely, Cotto, Williams) and fight smaller, well known and respected fighters or try to do what he did in the past and go after championships and unify belts.....Which did he choose? Was it because the money wasn't right? It wasn't right despite being in debt to the IRS? It wasn't right because he'd only earn what...$10MM-$15MM per fight? People would have paid GOOD money to see him try to beat (Margarito, Clottey, Mosely, etc.)..Let's not PRETEND they wouldn't because we know better. My argument is a simple one. One that many can't seem to wrap themselves around. He hasn't SHOWN a true ability to fight at welterweight and has dodged EVERYONE in the division while claiming to be the best. Does he deserve a shot at Manny? Where is he ranked as a welterweight? I don't know. On that note, don't confuse a nigga simply recognizing someone trying to pass off a Honda as a Bentley. That's all I'm saying...Peace

you tell me how he would of earned 10-15 mil fighting those guys at that time and i'll agree with you. arum said 8 mil for margarito at the time, and i still don't believe floyd would of made that much fighting him. arum was bluffing. how can he make that much money fighting those guys who the casual fan doesn't know, when he only made a purse of 10 mil fighting oscar on ppv? those are all lies man. floyd would barely make half that money fighting those guys.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Those cats stay ready to fight.

Did you see fucking Hatton laterly.. man I saw that cat do some interview a couple of months ago and it looked like he put on a good 50 pounds..no shit..he was huge

I saw Hatton on WWE Monday Night Raw and he looked pregnant. When/if he fight Juan Manual Marquez, I'm going with Marquez, easy. Lack of discipline is the difference between good athletes who win and winners. That applies to everything really but it certainly applies to individual sports.

You arent being honest here man.

Place the date of the last time Hopkins won by KO

A true middleweight. Not blown up welters and jr. middles like De La Hoya and Trinidad.

 

[Spectrum]

A true middleweight. Not blown up welters and jr. middles like De La Hoya and Trinidad.

Exactly... you have to go back into the 90s.

 

[shams]

You arent being honest here man.

Place the date of the last time Hopkins won by KO

B-hop aint had a KO since DLH and about 2 total in the last 8 years...

word.

in hopkins last 10 fights, he only has one KO, against an underweight de la hoya. which looked like a suspect KO in the first place.

i swear, some people just like to hear themselves talk.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

you tell me how he would of earned 10-15 mil fighting those guys at that time and i'll agree with you. arum said 8 mil for margarito at the time, and i still don't believe floyd would of made that much fighting him. arum was bluffing. how can he make that much money fighting those guys who the casual fan doesn't know, when he only made a purse of 10 mil fighting oscar on ppv? those are all lies man. floyd would barely make half that money fighting those guys.

He wouldn't have. Arum has even said that Floyd wanted guaranteess of 10mil to fight Hatton and Cotto and he wouldn't do it. That's one of the reasons they split. TJ posted the article in another thread earlier today.

 

[TJervey]

I definitely don't believe floyd runs. He actually has a style similar to a prime james toney. Dude has exception reflexes. One of the gifs on this site actually shows him dodging a punch from marquez a split second before he threw it. His biggest problem is he has no killer instinct. He stays in this envelope even when he has a dude hurt. That's the difference between him, bhop and definnitely pac...if they get a dude hurt they are knocking him the fuck out! Floyd is a hell of a tactician but if you like excitement...not so much...

 

[shams]

He wouldn't have. Arum has even said that Floyd wanted guaranteess of 10mil to fight Hatton and Cotto and he wouldn't do it. That's one of the reasons they split. TJ posted the article in another thread earlier today.

yeah i seen that article. he posted it to discredit mayweather, but it only showed that mayweather wasn't a priority to arum. so he made his move, and made himself a ppv fighter without the help of arum.