Broke out the owl puppet.I know hoe ass ms met is crying.
Had that mutha fucka doing the bird
TARIQ NASHEED vs ROLAND MARTIN
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Had that mutha fucka doing the bird
i understand Tariq's angle but he shouldnt drag this out too far, he's said his piece , it should be done!
this petty shit isnt a good look in the long run, roland martin has his uses and purposes, lets not act like he's sotomoisture or something, not like hes a david clarke type dude,
this petty shit isnt a good look in the long run, roland martin has his uses and purposes, lets not act like he's sotomoisture or something, not like hes a david clarke type dude,
The bird puppet was hella funny. But real spit as a real Habesha being both Eritrean and Ethiopian; Yodit has brung shame. The shit she was saying had a nigga angry and disappointed. Fuck all coons and she made the coon list. But, Tariq was a solid dude and didn't insult her in front of whites which is a major violation.
It doesn't matter if yaw dudes don't fuck with Tariq, but we as Africans new or old gotta slowly rise outta this shit. Don't give a fuck what's your affiliation, we gotta rise outta this oppressed state.
It doesn't matter if yaw dudes don't fuck with Tariq, but we as Africans new or old gotta slowly rise outta this shit. Don't give a fuck what's your affiliation, we gotta rise outta this oppressed state.
That's nothing to be proud of. It's childish and counterproductive to attempt to expose and publically destroy a brotha who is not a coon - just because he disagreed with Tariq's calling his friend a Negro Bed Wench.Like bruh said he Sooo petty
That's that crabs in a barrel shit.
Tariq is trying to portray this man as a coon and a sellout? At least Roland has his OWN show on a Black owned cable network - where he invites his own guests and has the power to modify and structure his show's format.
Tariq is on this white man's show on CNN participating in the racist narrative of arguing with white folks about the value of Black lives. What does it matter if he gets the better of racists in a debate? He still is allowing himself to be a performer in their circus...That circus whose main event is not to accept as FACT that there is an epidemic of police murders of unarmed Black and Brown people. But instead to frame it as little more than a theory that is at best debatable - like the existence of UFOs .
Good entertainment, but what solutions can come out of discussions where by the very framing of the narrative, the whites in charge are using you as a pawn to devalue us on the sneak tip?
Pot, meet Kettle.
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once again! words right outta my mouth, much better with words than i 1 yes I-moses Nuff respect! thats all we are saying tariq ,need to drop that bs, malcolm didnt go back n forth with leaders he disagreed with , he just let it be known that they stand on different sides of our liberation struggle..but there wasnt petty shit, its rather unbecoming and makes me lose a little respect for him. i fuxx with tariq still but this isnt a good look at all, atleast with sotomoisture we understood, but martin isnt that, and besides ,yes i can understand why roland would come to Yodit's defense in that manner being he feels he needs to protect the black women he interacts with in a manly fashion(and every blackman should do the same, and props to tariq for being on code to not dis Yodit in front of the OTHERS and i also respect Tariq for calling her a NBW ! and besides no true to the dust & liberation BLACKMAN should ever have to say "I CAN GET PETTY!"
@mangobob79 You're right. Malcolm graduated from that kind of foolishness. Someone on here actually had the nerve to compare Tariq favorably to Malcolm. Crazy. To try to publically destroy another positive brotha is some divisive negative shit. Now, Tariq claimed on his podcast "Soft Shoe Coonin'" that he would never tear down another Black person in front of white folks. OK...
...However, isn't it worse to try to turn your own people against another Black man who in his own way is working towards our enlightenment and liberation? That's exactly what Tariq's been doing. That "petty" argument is bullshit. How about just expressing your disagreement and letting it go - being the bigger man? Squashing a small thing in the interest of Black unity instead of letting it get out of hand because of pride and ego?
I don't support his calling Yodit a Negro Bed Wench though for two reasons.
#1 Roland recognized that Tariq called Yodit a Negro Bed Wench and stood up against Tariq having insulted her. However Tariq couldn't even be honest and own up to it that he called her that. He claimed that he was calling her a "Non-American Black Woman" asserting that "NBW" had two meanings - that and "Negro Bed Wench". He did that at 11:45 of this podcast - basically making up this "Non-American Black Woman/NBW" definition on the spot! He went on to say that "Non-American Black Women" tend to take the white supremacists' viewpoint. He stated this as if THAT unsupported opinion was an accepted fact.
At 19:30 to 22:00 Tariq expanded on this assertion, again stating that he was saying "Non-American Black Woman" (as if ANYONE listening had the slightest idea that's what he allegedly meant) and proceeded to call Roland a cape-wearing simp for speaking against him calling Yodit a Negro Bed Wench.
#2 Tariq has described the original "Negro Bed Wench" as having been an enslaved woman who slept with the master in exchange for favors and a higher position on the plantation than the other slaves. He then equated that with modern day Black women who sleep with powerful white men for favor and then conspire with the same to tear down their own people. The first problem with this idea is that there is no historical evidence of what he describes a Negro Bed Wench as having been during slavery. It makes no sense at all. White slavemasters had complete control over the bodies of Black slaves. A woman's vagina was never a bargaining chip. She would either give it over to the master or face whipping or worse.
Tariq basically developed a special term for coon for Sistas that is not only insulting but negatively sexualizes them as well. He created no male equivalent term for coon that negatively sexualizes Black men - accusing them of letting white men fuck them. In that, is hinted an inherent dislike and disregard for Black womanhood that perhaps he is not even conscious of. It is internalized racism.
Its equivalent is using the term "Black on Black" crime to racially pathologize crime by Black folks against Black folks, when in fact we know that all races commit crime against their own at roughly the same rate (yet they never carry a special name for others races' criminal activity. IE: "white on white crime").
Now it has become popular to call women Negro Bed Wenches (literally a white man's whore) when a Black woman simply disagrees with something a Black man says - or speaks something questionable. Never mind the prerequisite of her sleeping with a white man for favor and conspiring with that white man to tear down Black folks. No. Just say something controversial or disagreeable and she is branded a NBW.
I'm losing respect for him too, bro.
...However, isn't it worse to try to turn your own people against another Black man who in his own way is working towards our enlightenment and liberation? That's exactly what Tariq's been doing. That "petty" argument is bullshit. How about just expressing your disagreement and letting it go - being the bigger man? Squashing a small thing in the interest of Black unity instead of letting it get out of hand because of pride and ego?
I don't support his calling Yodit a Negro Bed Wench though for two reasons.
#1 Roland recognized that Tariq called Yodit a Negro Bed Wench and stood up against Tariq having insulted her. However Tariq couldn't even be honest and own up to it that he called her that. He claimed that he was calling her a "Non-American Black Woman" asserting that "NBW" had two meanings - that and "Negro Bed Wench". He did that at 11:45 of this podcast - basically making up this "Non-American Black Woman/NBW" definition on the spot! He went on to say that "Non-American Black Women" tend to take the white supremacists' viewpoint. He stated this as if THAT unsupported opinion was an accepted fact.
At 19:30 to 22:00 Tariq expanded on this assertion, again stating that he was saying "Non-American Black Woman" (as if ANYONE listening had the slightest idea that's what he allegedly meant) and proceeded to call Roland a cape-wearing simp for speaking against him calling Yodit a Negro Bed Wench.
#2 Tariq has described the original "Negro Bed Wench" as having been an enslaved woman who slept with the master in exchange for favors and a higher position on the plantation than the other slaves. He then equated that with modern day Black women who sleep with powerful white men for favor and then conspire with the same to tear down their own people. The first problem with this idea is that there is no historical evidence of what he describes a Negro Bed Wench as having been during slavery. It makes no sense at all. White slavemasters had complete control over the bodies of Black slaves. A woman's vagina was never a bargaining chip. She would either give it over to the master or face whipping or worse.
Tariq basically developed a special term for coon for Sistas that is not only insulting but negatively sexualizes them as well. He created no male equivalent term for coon that negatively sexualizes Black men - accusing them of letting white men fuck them. In that, is hinted an inherent dislike and disregard for Black womanhood that perhaps he is not even conscious of. It is internalized racism.
Its equivalent is using the term "Black on Black" crime to racially pathologize crime by Black folks against Black folks, when in fact we know that all races commit crime against their own at roughly the same rate (yet they never carry a special name for others races' criminal activity. IE: "white on white crime").
Now it has become popular to call women Negro Bed Wenches (literally a white man's whore) when a Black woman simply disagrees with something a Black man says - or speaks something questionable. Never mind the prerequisite of her sleeping with a white man for favor and conspiring with that white man to tear down Black folks. No. Just say something controversial or disagreeable and she is branded a NBW.
I'm losing respect for him too, bro.
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Yeah but Tariq is doing this to try and raise his fame....
So what part of the "keeping it player" part of the game is this?Like bruh said he Sooo petty
How many times tariq gotta tell yall he's nobody's leader?
Yet you'll be tuned in every time.....
and ill also tuned in to roland as well..
everyone has food u can eat, he definitely has some good stuff in his pot! just cant serve all of it !, n thats mostly due to his own childish selfish doing, and it wasnt necessarily something he couldnt avoid but yes i still fuxx with him
No Miss Clio. I don't tune in every time.
Even if I did, so what?
I never said I wrote him off.
They dont want to hear that!
For some reason, some want to build up a black leader to a certain standard (malcom and martin) and than tear said person down.
Like I said, you'll still be tuned in. See you in the next tariq thread guy.
None of this has anything to do with what I said to you but ok.
what are u saying to me?
The leader part was directed at you, that's why I put it under your quote.
You just cosigned that Tariq is not a leader.
So then if he's not a leader, what does he have to do with Malcolm and Martin who were leaders?
Also, WHO are you saying built Tariq up just to tear him down?
If you're losing respect then tune out, that's my point.
You have reading comprehension issues.
I said:
1. Contrary to your fake ass ESP, I don't tune in to his EVERY podcast -as you accused.
2. I have lost some respect I have for Tariq but not ALL respect, therefore have not yet written him off. Everything he says is not bullshit. Some but not all.
Tariq is smart. He picks and chooses his battles carefully. I remember when Umar Johnson threw shots his way and Tariq spoke on it but he didn't go in and Umar shot was way worse than Roland's. He knows when to tread light.
I believe that.
I didn't say you listened to all his podcasts, dumb ass. I said you'll be tuned in every time, meaning on this site. Which is why I later said I'll see you in the next tariq thread.
What shot did umar throw and what was tariqs response. Link me to both.
granted i over called him , hes not a LEADER to me but i used the word in the context of when we have arguments or run into situations, we often look to the brightest amongst us to determine how to deal with said issues , hence i referenced Malcolm in the context of "how would malcolm have dealt with this"? not saying he is in same caliber but its pretty explanatory i hope.. get my drift?
when i have issues , i look to my elders and the brightest examples of light i know to help me guage how i might deal with the issues ,so i dont think its a stretch to reference malcolm , as i believe both brothers(roland & tariq) are in their own way striving for our liberation, though with different insights and radical fire level
Your post could have ended here.
He didn't say his name but he was talking about Boyce Watkins and Tariq. Tariq responded but it was really light hearted.
Foh with that vague shit. lol I find it hard to believe tariq would respond to something vague like this. So if he did please provide me with that link.
And the guy who owns that channel has clear disdain for tariq, umar and others. Of course he'd try to spin a clip a certain way.
I just now remember him as the guy talking tough about tariq while hiding his face. lol
I fucks with Umar but he sounds stupid as hell for trying to clown somebody for making documentaries; when he has been in several of them and for doing lectures, when he does the exact same thing.
Well I wouldn't lie about it, I have know affiliation with either but respect both the brothers equally. Tariq responded by mentioning it and pretty much brushing it off. When I have time I will try to find it but its in 1 of those long ass podcast and I can't remember which 1. Maybe someone else may know.
The only thing that comes close to my mind, relating to what you're talking about, is during one of his old ustreams, somebody in the chat asked him about something someone had said. I don't know it it was umar or somebody else, but whoever it was had apparently said something indirect, and since whatever was said was indirect, tariq kind of dismissed it since it was direct, and didn't make any assumptions. Again, I don't even know if that was about umar. And I believe it might have been related to something someone at a lecture.
Learn how to talk, idiot. No one but you says "tuned in" referring to a thread. You're the dumb ass for acting like people should "just tune out" from discussing actions they don't respect. I will be in whatever thread topic commenting on whatever I want. What I eat doesn't make you shit. If you don't like what I have to say in these topics, that's allowed. If it profoundly disturbs your spirit, feel free to either skip my comments or log off altogether for your peace of mind.
That's fair. He still has something to offer. I don't like the way he addresses certain things either, but I do think he is on the money with other things.
Well said. I agree.
Tariq, Boyce and Umar might all say that they don't want to be seen as leaders, but by virtue of their visibility, their going around giving educational lectures and their impacting masses of people with their knowledge and ideas - each one is effectively a leader.
no! its shouldnt have becos u thought it was one way but then i let u know its another but if u want to believe otherwise then its on you,!
I know you will stupid. Like I said, I'll see you in the next tariq thread. Crying.
I thought it was one way based off your own words genius. It was you who mentioned him within the context of leadership.
and i explained to u how that works in that context but u chose to stay on the "word" instead of how i explained how the word works in the context of the idea i put forth,..but carry on..make every effort to act ignorant of my explanation to u .. ur call