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Of course, most of us didn’t buy the car because of one person; Musk has behaved erratically for years, sometimes amusingly, other times terribly. But those moments passed quickly, and the Tesla value structure remained intact. Many of us were proud to be part of a progressive group pioneering an entirely new auto industry, moving beyond a century-plus framework to one that put consumers in control.

The article speaks about buyer regret that some Tesla owners may have because of Elon Musk showing his true self with his
new supporters that would never buy a Tesla. You know those rednecks who park Diesel Trucks at Superchargers spots?

But even beyond that, the framework does not, from what I understand, put the consumer in real control. If you have issues
with your Tesla, you have to have Tesla itself do repair work or some things may break. For instance, if you have a salvage
Tesla or replace you battery pack at an independent shop, supercharging (not regular charging) may not be available.

I ask because as of a year ago, I was looking at purchasing a Model Y. Now, I'm more leaning toward the competition and frankly,
part of that is to not make Elon more rich. Also, I don't know how much I would like having to go to the dealer for maintenance. I rather be able to go where I want or do some work by myself.
 

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Not a Tesla owner so I have no dog in this fight but anything I buy I buy because it benefits me.If the person who created it turns out to be a piece of shit, I’ll be upset I put money in his pocket but the product still is the product

Quiet is kept, I actually liked Papa Johns pizza, and I know a lot of people who are now saying it tastes
bad, but go back to 2010, and what people were saying then. Not a peep of that.

When the news came out that dude was raising prices and reducing workers benefits because of ACA but really Obama,
I ended that real quick. And that's just a $10 pizza, not a $60k car.
 

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What does that even mean? You thought they were cool and you the only one that was gonna have one?

Grow up dude. You sound like a kid.

Get what you really like. You never really liked them.

Yeah I did like them....Use to walk pass one of the only Tesla stores on the East Coast in DC back in 2008....

Just outgrew them when I saw everyone in DC driving them joints....

Plus there are more EVs coming out that I prefer...I think I liked them back in the mid 2000's because they were like the only EVs on the market...

Now there are tons...Your taste in cars can change from when you are like 27 and now in my early 40s...plus a nigga need a SUV. My car now sits low to the ground and I hate getting in and out of that joint.

Fam - I always buy what I want. No second guessing. If I want it I buy it. End of discussion
 
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Them joints are the new honda accords in DC...I wanted one way back in 2008 when they were not that big, but naw...I am good

Why do you want an EV?
Get a hybrid.

I rather have ICE or EV to keep the complexity of repair down.

There are benefits of a full EV that hybrids don't have like reverse power to the home

With ICE AWD, the split is a simple torque conversion and you know if you have 45/55 with a %
that can go to the front if the rear slips. With some EV AWD, there are two motors and a %
calculation.

With hybrid AWD, there might be a small motor in the rear with a weird switchover.
 

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GM is unionized but possibly building their EV in Mexico. Tesla is non-union but does not have any factories in Mexico.

In today's environment acting civilized will attract crazies that will harm you. Politicians married to an astronaut are getting shot in the head or bludgeon to death with hammers. Once people see I am not playing with a full deck they back off.
 

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The article speaks about buyer regret that some Tesla owners may have because of Elon Musk showing his true self with his
new supporters that would never buy a Tesla. You know those rednecks who park Diesel Trucks at Superchargers spots?

But even beyond that, the framework does not, from what I understand, put the consumer in real control. If you have issues
with your Tesla, you have to have Tesla itself do repair work or some things may break. For instance, if you have a salvage
Tesla or replace you battery pack at an independent shop, supercharging (not regular charging) may not be available.

I ask because as of a year ago, I was looking at purchasing a Model Y. Now, I'm more leaning toward the competition and frankly,
part of that is to not make Elon more rich. Also, I don't know how much I would like having to go to the dealer for maintenance. I rather be able to go where I want or do some work by myself.

I don't have any experience with other EVs but I'd have to imagine the same or similar would be true as far as some of your concerns. Things could have changed but how many independent shops are familiar with services EVs. At one point, some shops didn't even want to do something as simple as a tire change.

I may be mistaken but it sounds like you may be referring to Rich Rebuild as far as salvage Teslas. My question would be why would you want any car that has been submerged in water? Rich enjoys restoring cars but the average person isn't doing that. I have no experience in that area but I can't imagine not being able to get a used Tesla compared to attempting to restore a water damaged car. The other issue was the right to repair with impacts a lot products. Generally, speaking it seems like more and more cars are getting to the point where they make it harder for you to self repair or they'll void the warranty.

Before someone crashed into me, I've never had to do any real maintenance since owning the model S. I know they have certified Tesla body shops for 3rd parties but im not sure about general maintenance. On two occasions, a Tesla tech was sent to my home for some minor issue.

Overall I don't have any regrets about the car itself. At the price point, I'm not likely to buy another. If you are going to pay luxury prices, you should get a more luxurious car . Let's not even talk about the overall build issues of the car. The main selling point that is still in place for now is the super charger network and if i were to buy another one that would br tge reason. I'm not likely to trade it in because I have free unlimited supercharging.

I didn't buy a Tesla because of Elon so his behavior has no impact on keeping my current vehicle or purchasing a new one. Nor do i care about how others may view me for driving a Tesla. In truth, people already made assumptions about you well before Elon went full troll. Some of these people feel the same way about anyone who drives a luxury vehicle and then you factor in people who livelihood is dependent on fossil fuels and you'll get better understanding of some of the real issues people have with EVs in general.

Another common complaint I hear is about changing times and distance. Before I moved into my house, I depended on a supercharging station that I would use 1 to 2 times a week. Normally, I would go grocery shopping, go for a run or watch something in the car worse case. Even then, it's not as if you really need to charge up fully. On average, i believe I'd charge for as low as 15 minutes to 30 minutes. If i really let the battery go down, it may take an hour at a supercharger. Its not the 5 to 10 mintues for gas, but its not as bad as it seems. Now that I own a home, I have a charger in the garage and I charge up at night as needed which is usually once a week. On average I charge up to 290 miles and the max is around 330. When I go into the office, it's about 40 miles round trip. Assuming the app is correct I've spent $22 for the last 31 days to charge at home. Keep in mind that I've had my Tesla since 2018 and there have been battery and charging improvements since then. Clearly there is room for improvement with the EVs and the infrastructure.
 

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Why do you want an EV?
Get a hybrid.

Thr Hybrids I've randomly seen the electric run time for was around 30 miles. Electric seems to be more of a backup and you are really still dependent on gas. I know a few people who own them but I've never asked about their real experience.
 

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I have an S and an X. I drove the Lucid yesterday. I’m not ever getting rid of my S as I have free supercharging forever! The Lucid is a better car and gets 500 miles when full.

My wife will look at a Lucid SUV when they come out. Like me, she loves her Tesla, but hates Elon.
 

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I don't have any experience with other EVs but I'd have to imagine the same or similar would be true as far as some of your concerns. Things could have changed but how many independent shops are familiar with services EVs. At one point, some shops didn't even want to do something as simple as a tire change.

I may be mistaken but it sounds like you may be referring to Rich Rebuild as far as salvage Teslas. My question would be why would you want any car that has been submerged in water? Rich enjoys restoring cars but the average person isn't doing that. I have no experience in that area but I can't imagine not being able to get a used Tesla compared to attempting to restore a water damaged car. The other issue was the right to repair with impacts a lot products. Generally, speaking it seems like more and more cars are getting to the point where they make it harder for you to self repair or they'll void the warranty.

Before someone crashed into me, I've never had to do any real maintenance since owning the model S. I know they have certified Tesla body shops for 3rd parties but im not sure about general maintenance. On two occasions, a Tesla tech was sent to my home for some minor issue.

Overall I don't have any regrets about the car itself. At the price point, I'm not likely to buy another. If you are going to pay luxury prices, you should get a more luxurious car . Let's not even talk about the overall build issues of the car. The main selling point that is still in place for now is the super charger network and if i were to buy another one that would br tge reason. I'm not likely to trade it in because I have free unlimited supercharging.

I didn't buy a Tesla because of Elon so his behavior has no impact on keeping my current vehicle or purchasing a new one. Nor do i care about how others may view me for driving a Tesla. In truth, people already made assumptions about you well before Elon went full troll. Some of these people feel the same way about anyone who drives a luxury vehicle and then you factor in people who livelihood is dependent on fossil fuels and you'll get better understanding of some of the real issues people have with EVs in general.

Another common complaint I hear is about changing times and distance. Before I moved into my house, I depended on a supercharging station that I would use 1 to 2 times a week. Normally, I would go grocery shopping, go for a run or watch something in the car worse case. Even then, it's not as if you really need to charge up fully. On average, i believe I'd charge for as low as 15 minutes to 30 minutes. If i really let the battery go down, it may take an hour at a supercharger. Its not the 5 to 10 mintues for gas, but its not as bad as it seems. Now that I own a home, I have a charger in the garage and I charge up at night as needed which is usually once a week. On average I charge up to 290 miles and the max is around 330. When I go into the office, it's about 40 miles round trip. Assuming the app is correct I've spent $22 for the last 31 days to charge at home. Keep in mind that I've had my Tesla since 2018 and there have been battery and charging improvements since then. Clearly there is room for improvement with the EVs and the infrastructure.

On your first point, when I hear folks say things like this brand or that is a nightmare to maintain, I don't have that experience. I always take my car in for yearly service, but have levels of maintenance. Some I do, (air filter, plugs), for what I can't do I go to an
indie, for what they can't do or what I would not trust them to do I go back to the dealer. Personally, have not had any large costs
doing this, in fact very minimal

Bingo, you caught me. Yeah, I've probably seen all of Rich Rebuilds videos especially on Right to repair. Since rebuilding the
salvaged Tesla and working on battery replacement, there have been tons of new options on the market. But Tesla still has
the big joker in the Supercharger network.

So since 2018, no yearly maintenance, even just inspection to speak of?

I just feel like with other tech that gave free for life services like grandfathered in Sirius XM devices, where the rug was pulled,
with Elon at the helm, free might not be the future that you can count on. The network, right now, is still superior and might be
worth paying for given choices between brands. And if I know it, he knows it, and Tesla is bound to act on it once their stock
settles due to competition and less demand when they could just increase revenue by lessening the amount of free charging
overnight.
 

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Why do you want an electric car?

Thr Hybrids I've randomly seen the electric run time for was around 30 miles. Electric seems to be more of a backup and you are really still dependent on gas. I know a few people who own them but I've never asked about their real experience.
 

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Quiet is kept, I actually liked Papa Johns pizza, and I know a lot of people who are now saying it tastes
bad, but go back to 2010, and what people were saying then. Not a peep of that.

When the news came out that dude was raising prices and reducing workers benefits because of ACA but really Obama,
I ended that real quick. And that's just a $10 pizza, not a $60k car.

I stopped fuckin with Papa John's before the politicization of Obamacare aka ACA. They switched to a cheaper sauce option years before that. I was pissed when I noticed the difference in taste. Said to myself, NEVER AGAIN. So, it was nasty before 2010/2011. Once their CEO made headlines, the Papa John's subpar ingredient choices became more at the forefront. Papa John's lost site of what once made it great, sauce and quality ingredients. The sauce it the heart of a pizza.

Just like with Tesla. Elon is making headlines fucking up twitter, so more vids and investigations are surfacing with Tesla's numerous quality control and build issues. But Tesla had these malfunctions and build quality problems before Elon purchased twitter then subsequently made headlines for the wrong reasons.
 
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I recently drove the Y on a 2 week road trip and that made me want that truck. Don’t know if I’ll trade my current car in to get it cause one but Teslas are ubiquitous in the DMV so if the right one comes along, I might have to pull the trigger.
 

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Why do you want an electric car?

The question is why did you recommend a hybrid over a full EV?

Most want to save on gas by going to an EV or the convenience of home charging. If on average you only get 30 miles using electric in a hybrid, you are still mostly dependent on gas. You don't even remove minor maintenance like oil changes like with an EV which is another reason EVs are bought. If you are overly concerned about range or charge time, then just stay with a gas car.
 

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My Y is almost a year old. I love this car. I did have an issue with a window but the service process was smooth. I got a loaner with free Supercharging and got updated in the app. I drove a Bolt, Volt, and ID4 and none of them compared to Tesla Model 3 or Y. Huge difference in handling and acceleration. If you get an EV, you gotta get a Tesla. Especially at these prices. I’m convinced that almost if not all of these CAC CEOs are racist. Unless it is a small business, the CEO point of view doesn’t effect my decision.
 

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On your first point, when I hear folks say things like this brand or that is a nightmare to maintain, I don't have that experience. I always take my car in for yearly service, but have levels of maintenance. Some I do, (air filter, plugs), for what I can't do I go to an
indie, for what they can't do or what I would not trust them to do I go back to the dealer. Personally, have not had any large costs
doing this, in fact very minimal

Bingo, you caught me. Yeah, I've probably seen all of Rich Rebuilds videos especially on Right to repair. Since rebuilding the
salvaged Tesla and working on battery replacement, there have been tons of new options on the market. But Tesla still has
the big joker in the Supercharger network.

So since 2018, no yearly maintenance, even just inspection to speak of?

I just feel like with other tech that gave free for life services like grandfathered in Sirius XM devices, where the rug was pulled,
with Elon at the helm, free might not be the future that you can count on. The network, right now, is still superior and might be
worth paying for given choices between brands. And if I know it, he knows it, and Tesla is bound to act on it once their stock
settles due to competition and less demand when they could just increase revenue by lessening the amount of free charging
overnight.

I believe they stopped unlimited supercharging around the time the model 3 came out. Not saying they wont stop it for those of us who are grandfathered in, but honestly if you have an at home charger and you rarely travel far driving you aren't going to miss free supercharging anyway. I also suspect part of the reason they are opening up the network to other cars is to bring in more income from the network. Also, I don't think free supercharging transfer to owners who buy a used Tesla, so as time goes on. There will be less and less people with unlimited supercharging.

There is maintenance, but not to the point of a traditional car and no where near the frequency. The impression I got was it was more of a just in case situation and not really a big need. I only recall taking it in maybe twice for maintenance, but I've taken it in for tire changes and an upgrade for the self driving CPU so I'm sure they did other checks during those occasions. Most of the recommended maintenance is 2 to 3 years. It's usually around the filters and brake fluid.

I've considered a Lucid or Rivian, but im concerned about if they will be around. I've also been looking at BMW EVs, but I recall people complaining about issues with their hybrid. Not to mention I've always heard about issues with BMWs in general even though I assumed most of it may have been people not taking care of them.
 

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This is major move by Tesla & competitors should be shook with these price decreases. So now the model 3 & long range model y are eligible for the $7500 tax credits.


Still waiting on that Cybertruck to debut :fuckyousay:
 

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If you have access to home charging, driving an EV is a no brainer. I would never drive a gas car with its exhaust and noise ever again.

Plus the value of used gas cars are going to plummet as EV flood into the market.

1. Fuel savings ($20,000)



2. Low value of trade in
3. Crash Safety is higher in an EV
 

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That second tweet is wild. I knew model Y's were selling but I didn't realize they're selling like hot cakes. Elon slashing the prices & making them eligible for the tax credits is going to make the Y jump to #1 easily.
 
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This video covers ALL electric vehicles.

If you plan to buy one, watch this video.




I'm not going to refute data and science. What I will do is speak to my personal experience.

Like I stated earlier, there was a time when I didn't have home charging and my car was outside in the winter. I've never had an issue with driving in the winter. Even in the video, he is speaking about 20 to 14 degrees. I live in the DMV so you are talking about 3 to maybe 4 months of cold and over the years the winters aren't as cold as in the past. 14 to 20 is below freezing and is not the norm here especially during the day. someone else can correct me, but this is likely true for most of the US. Ironically, my girl still has a gas powered car and her car would not start due to the temperature outside in the last two or three weeks in the early morning. I didn't have the same issue. While it maybe true that you'll lose range due to extreme cold, gas powered cars aren't exempt from cold weather issues.

As far as cabin temperature, I normally don't use the heat or I cut it off after a few minutes. The temperature in the cabinet is typically warm/conformable on average without using the heat.

Next he talked about fully charging and using a supercharging. I lived in my house for around a year and half, so before moving here I used supercharging and I would fully charge up inorder to not return as often. On a hand full of occasions I let the battery get as low as 20 miles or less. It's been a while since I attempted to reach the max of 330, but the last time I accidentally adjusted the charge range I was still able to charge to 316. Mind you the charging range was not set to full. As I said earlier, I normally don't charge it above 290 but that is because on average a full charge is not needed and I charge at home now. I can't speak to the battery being accurate. What I do know is that Tesla may not give you full usage of the battery based on what I've read, but the claim is on a range that 330 the battery actually has more. To be fair, I could be recalling this incorrectly. It goes without saying that other conditions may reduce your actual mileage just like a gas car.

He mentioned your battery draining at higher speeds. This is true, but on average I'm going 60 to 80 on the highway. Again, even in the cold I've never had to charge up more due to my driving habits. I charge up once maybe twice a week.if you are concerned about the regen braking, you can turn it off. I've never felt the need to.

Even if battery degradation was a long-term concern, alot of people trade their cars before they are paid for or shortly after. I don't know to many people who keep cars for ten plus years or at the very least not as their main vehicle.

My recommendation for those who can afford it is to rent an EV for a few weeks instead of depending research alone. Clearly doing this will not give you a long-term idea of how EV will perform overtime however it will give you an idea of if EVs are a overall good fit for you. I'm not going to fully discredit the person in the video however based on other videos on his page he isn't a fan of EVs/Tesla and my be bias. The same can be true for content creators who favor EV especially Tesla fan boys. Normally, when I hear someone talking about why you shouldn't buy an EV they have no personal experience with them. They have not even rented one over the weekend. Some people just prefer gas cars just like people who don't respect automatic cars and only drive manual. Others are incentivized to discredit EVs. Normally the people who own EVs claim they'll never go back to gas and at best say they may not buy a Tesla again.
 

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I've always thought the lines of Teslas were nice. They're beautiful looking cars. But two things always jumped out at me....

First was how bad their construction was. One of the things that is really being discussed now is how GM, Ford etc EV are built better. The thing with Tesla is that so many people WILLINGLY overlooked things like bad door seals, leaky sunroof etc. That's a regular thing with Teslas. I've owned about 7 cars in my lifetime, Japanese and American made and I've never had to deal with leaky sunroof or doors that don't sit flush. That shit might be OK to some people but not to me.

Second, I live in nyc and very noticeable how few places there are to charge your car compared to getting gas. It's even worse if you don't have a Tesla.
 
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