The Cleveland police officer who killed Tamir Rice will not face criminal charges

[RoadRage]

Nothing to think about for me Im already aware.

The problem is we are reactive instead of proactive so when these situations occur we're never prepared to do anything.

Thats why people always talk that rioting shit since most aren't engaged or involved prioe to this so the only solution for them is some type of immediate satisfaction anf gratification.

Correct, and what makes it worse is that the reactive not doing shit squeaky wheel attracts more attention and are perceived as being real, while the ones who offer real solutions are looked at as being less black...
I really think if Malcolm X was alive today, he would be frowned upon by most blacks...

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Black folks could be in their driveway on their own property doing nothing and get executed

Black folks could call for emergency services in a jurisdiction that they pay taxes in and get murdered

Black folks could get done dirty by corrupt cops and evidence tampering

It has nothing to do with putting yourself in bad positions......or minimizing damage.....

Cops are a state sponsored racist militia.

Yeah but as a community our lack of action and being engaged prior to these events is why it can continually occur to us.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Correct, and what makes it worse is that the reactive not doing shit squeaky wheel attracts more attention and are perceived as being real, while the ones who offer real solutions are looked at as being less black...
I really think if Malcolm X was alive today, he would be frowned upon by most blacks...

Malcolm would absolutely be shit on by most in thus time because he would never just say what was popular or got applause he would also call us on our shit and most wouldn't want to hear it.

 

[nibbs]

Is Cleveland gonna turn up or what?

Too cold.
You know "Niggas don't give a shit about a 40-degree day."
Stringer Bell, "The Wire"

 

[RoadRage]

I dont find that analogy a compelling one....

Black people get murdered simply for existing.....even while being no threat and minding their own business....

The notion that many of these killings wouldnt have happened if black people had done x or y is tenuous

Becasue your brain fails to see the analogy... I never once said that the killings would have happened, that came from your over active imagination and emotions...
I said they would have been reduced, just like wearing seatbelts don't prevent every death nor are they designed to, instead they are there to reduce... Now how much they will reduce is arbitrary and up to debate..

 

[curryshotta]

Becasue your brain fails to see the analogy... I never once said that the killings would have happened, that came from your over active imagination and emotions...
I said they would have been reduced, just like wearing seatbelts don't prevent every death nor are they designed to, instead they are there to reduce... Now how much they will reduce is arbitrary and up to debate..

my over active imagination and emotions....

okay bruh you win...I am done

 

[RoadRage]

Malcolm would absolutely be shit on by most in thus time because he would never just say what was popular or got applause he would also call us on our shit and most wouldn't want to hear it.

Malcolm had a ode of conduct when engaging with cops, today that would be looked upon as tap dancing and boot licking... But Malcolm understood that there was great power in humility and back then it used to piss of the pigs. due to the fact that most of their bullshit was predicated on us acting a certain way after they pushed out buttons...

 

[nibbs]

I dont find that analogy a compelling one....

Black people get murdered simply for existing.....even while being no threat and minding their own business....

The notion that many of these killings wouldnt have happened if black people had done x or y is tenuous

The notion that they would be murdered by police simply for existing is also tenuous at best.

In almost, not all, but many of the recent cases of police homicide involving African American, there were exigent circumstances or a victim who committed a criminal act.

 

[SIDESHOW]

 

[RoadRage]

my over active imagination and emotions....

okay bruh you win...I am done

Bruh don't take it personally, you know how I get down, I sometimes get hard on what folks say, but never mean it as a personal diss.... As long as your a real brother my words are only here to bridge gaps, and to teach/learn...

 

[nibbs]

Malcolm had a ode of conduct when engaging with cops, today that would be looked upon as tap dancing and boot licking... But Malcolm understood that there was great power in humility and back then it used to piss of the pigs. due to the fact that most of their bullshit was predicated on us acting a certain way after they pushed out buttons...

This.
Malcolm was wise enough to know that you do not beat cops on the street. They have far too great an advantage for one. Their leeway and discretion to impinge and stifle rights through their actions and their right to do such has been upheld by the Supreme Court as part of police duties.

To try to fight an opponent on a playing field where they have the operational and strategic advantage is a perilous endeavor.

Brother Malcolm was smart enough to know the way you beat cops is with a sharpened knowledge of the law and in the court room.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

The notion that they would be murdered by police simply for existing is also tenuous at best.

In almost, not all, but many of the recent cases of police homicide involving African American, there were exigent circumstances or a victim who committed a criminal act.

This is bullshit.

In this case we're talking a 12 year old, the brother murdered in SC who ran and was shot in the back, Eric Garner, etc. none of these or the many others would be what I'd classify as exigent circumstances.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Bruh don't take it personally, you know how I get down, I sometimes get hard on what folks say, but never mean it as a personal diss.... As long as your a real brother my words are only here to bridge gaps, and to teach/learn...

Hes right though brother those ad hominem retorts only serve to distract from the intelligent discourse.

 

[RoadRage]

Hes right though brother those ad hominem retorts only serve to distract from the intelligent discourse.

Yeah, I get it and I apologize sometimes the street in me comes out, but I am working on it, lol..

 

[comment101]

Hmmm...I'm sad that the kid got killed, but at the same time, im not comfortable about the circumstances surrounding the whole thing..... My opinions are fragmented. Im sorted of 50/50 about this particular issue.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Hmmm...I'm sad that the kid got killed, but at the same time, im not comfortable about the circumstances surrounding the whole thing..... My opinions are fragmented. Im sorted of 50/50 about this particular issue.

Circumstances?

A 12 year old with a toy gun outside a recreation center was shot and killed. I don't see how there can be any confusion about whether it was justified or not, he killed that boy plain and simple.

 

[nibbs]

This is bullshit.

In this case we're talking a 12 year old, the brother murdered in SC who ran and was shot in the back, Eric Garner, etc. none of these or the many others would be what I'd classify as exigent circumstances.

Outlaw, I feel your passion and anger but allow me to clarify a few things.
However, you have to know the meaning of of exigent circumstances before lashing out.
I said 'some' not all. The case in S.C. is 100% inexcusable. There is simply no rational or legal defense for the officer's actions. There were no circumstances that justified the shooting.

Garner, for whatever his own reasons, decided it was his prerogative to resist detainment and then arrest.

Tamir, regrettably had been brandishing and drawing down on people with a replica firearm that could actually shoot projectiles. I remember seeing a picture of the gun he had in an evidence photo and it was so realistic a looking .45, I would say that it would take an experienced eye to tell at a distance that it wasn't a pellet gun. Weapon recognition at that level of detail is something no police force trains their field officers to identify. For added effect, the chance that this mis-ident can happen is also why in many states pellet gun and airsoft replicas are semi-regulated and age restricted.

To expect an officer to make a split second to determination whether the gun is real or fake, after being called in on a firearm's call, when the person is raising one side their jacket in way that resembles someone preparing to draw a firearm INSTEAD of putting their hands in the air or laying on the ground is beyond unrealistic. Would you wait? Should you wait for someone to get a bead on you?

A child being shot is one of the most tragic things I can think of. This is not an endorsement of the officer or his actions either but rather a statement that as a rational human, I can see why the officer thought this "suspect" was preparing to draw their weapon

 

[nibbs]

Circumstances?

A 12 year old with a toy gun outside a recreation center was shot and killed. I don't see how there can be any confusion about whether it was justified or not, he killed that boy plain and simple.

Good brother. A pellet gun IS NOT a toy.
This is Tamir's gun:

This is what a 1911 looks like.

Outside of some minor details, can you tell the difference?

 

[mozartte]

If cops knew they would be killed for everytime they kill a brother this would stop overnight. Since, we wont do anything, expect more of this. Its just a lottery to see who the next brother/sister is now.

 

[playahaitian]

Nothing to think about for me Im already aware.

The problem is we are reactive instead of proactive so when these situations occur we're never prepared to do anything.

Thats why people always talk that rioting shit since most aren't engaged or involved prioe to this so the only solution for them is some type of immediate satisfaction anf gratification.

* BOOM

 

[Rip2dbone]

Is anyone really surprised??

Nope!!!!

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Good brother. A pellet gun IS NOT a toy.
This is Tamir's gun:

This is what a 1911 looks like.

Outside of some minor details, can you tell the difference?

Doesn't matter.

They still shouldn't have drove up shooting.

How many times have you seen these perpetrators of mass shootings with higher caliber real weaponry be taken alive?

Just recently a man shot up an abortion clinic and made it out without a scratch.

The mentality is different for these cops when going into poor minority neighborhoods. They have a low opinion of the people they police and therefore assume the worse of anyone and feel justified in doing so which leads to tragedies like this.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

If cops knew they would be killed for everytime they kill a brother this would stop overnight. Since, we wont do anything, expect more of this. Its just a lottery to see who the next brother/sister is now.

Killed by whom?

If you mean death row then what we're talkkng is them being prosecuted which we can all agree on.

But if you're talking street justice, us taking them out I guarantee you're wrong. In fact it would only escalate things and give them more justification to kill us.

Think about it like this: if that logic held true then after a certain amount of killing gangs would cease to kill one another after seeing the results of them murdering a rival. But that never happens and in fact the exact opposite happens.

 

[King Natty]

In case you needed a reminder on who we're dealing with

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Outlaw, I feel your passion and anger but allow me to clarify a few things.
However, you have to know the meaning of of exigent circumstances before lashing out.
I said 'some' not all. The case in S.C. is 100% inexcusable. There is simply no rational or legal defense for the officer's actions. There were no circumstances that justified the shooting.

Garner, for whatever his own reasons, decided it was his prerogative to resist detainment and then arrest.

Tamir, regrettably had been brandishing and drawing down on people with a replica firearm that could actually shoot projectiles. I remember seeing a picture of the gun he had in an evidence photo and it was so realistic a looking .45, I would say that it would take an experienced eye to tell at a distance that it wasn't a pellet gun. Weapon recognition at that level of detail is something no police force trains their field officers to identify. For added effect, the chance that this mis-ident can happen is also why in many states pellet gun and airsoft replicas are semi-regulated and age restricted.

To expect an officer to make a split second to determination whether the gun is real or fake, after being called in on a firearm's call, when the person is raising one side their jacket in way that resembles someone preparing to draw a firearm INSTEAD of putting their hands in the air or laying on the ground is beyond unrealistic. Would you wait? Should you wait for someone to get a bead on you?

A child being shot is one of the most tragic things I can think of. This is not an endorsement of the officer or his actions either but rather a statement that as a rational human, I can see why the officer thought this "suspect" was preparing to draw their weapon

Not lashing out at all brother.

With Garner's situation resisting arrest didnt lead to his death. What led to his death was the use of a choke hold that even the NYPD and city barred the use of. In addition you have to ask why was he being arrested in the first place?

As far as Tamir if the gun was thought to be real why would they drive directly up to him? Surely it would have been wiser to engage from a distance and de-escalate the situation. He was by himself so its not like there was the perception that he was seconds away from killing someone.

 

[HarleyMar]

I'm sure the cop yell put the gun down, as Tamir was doing so the racist ass cop opens fire.

 

[theteacher]

Oh REALLY!!!!

 

[RoadRage]

In case you needed a reminder on who we're dealing with

I used to tell my residents on how they are percived by whites in public, and how somethimes how sometimes their horsing around and playing may look like something else in their eyes... Basically I encoraged them to take all of this seriously and not to act like little kids, especially in public, instead I taught them how to act like me... Funny those who got it, never got into any problems, all the ones who didn't wound up getting into more trouble than its worth..
This is the message I got as a youth, however it seems to be lacking today..

 

[Word]

When are some of these thugs going to find one of these cops and execute of of them. Throw they life away from the movement.

 

[II Dxnum]

why haven't nibbs and retardedrage made their way onto my ignore list yet?

 

[keone]

too bad Tamr rice wasnt a dog. maybe we would have had justice then

 

[keone]

Nope,because most folks here in Cleveland don't give two shits about white supremacy......

even if they do. people will say they are stupid they are destroying their own community

 

[D-TOWN REP]

In case you needed a reminder on who we're dealing with

Pitiful

 

[nibbs]

why haven't nibbs and retardedrage made their way onto my ignore list yet?

Ironic from someone who calls themselves Sankofa? Are you perhaps aware what the word "Sankofa" means?
Nonetheless, you're more than welcomed to use the feature.

 

[keone]