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The Cleveland police officer who killed Tamir Rice will not face criminal charges
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So Retlaw is back and name is Nibbs.
That shit be having me confused at first. Like who the hell are they talking to? Lol
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This is not as cut and dry as folks would like it to be. Yes, he's a kid in the park with a fake gun. But watching the video, you can't tell it's fake and you can't tell he's a kid. Plus he's pointing the shit at random people. That's gonna attract the wrong type of attention, whether it's police or just the average person on the street. If one of those passersby had been holding the kid woulda got capped.
Of course, the cop is an idiot. That's been well documented. This is just a perfect storm of a meeting between two less than intelligent individuals that ended badly.
Of course, the cop is an idiot. That's been well documented. This is just a perfect storm of a meeting between two less than intelligent individuals that ended badly.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/30/opinion/clevelands-terrible-stain.html?_r=0
Tamir Rice of Cleveland would be alive today had he been a white 12-year-old playing with a toy gun in just about any middle-class neighborhood in the country on the afternoon of Nov. 22, 2014.
But Tamir, who was shot to death by a white police officer that day, had the misfortune of being black in a poor area of Cleveland, where the police have historically behaved as an occupying force that shoots first and asks questions later. To grow up black and male in such a place is to live a highly circumscribed life, hemmed in by forces that deny your humanity and conspire to kill you.
Those forces hovered over the proceedings on Monday when a grand jury declined to indict Officer Timothy Loehmann in the killing and Timothy McGinty, the Cuyahoga County prosecutor, explained why he had asked the grand jurors to not bring charges. Mr. McGinty described the events leading up to Tamir’s death as tragic series of errors and “miscommunications” that began when a 911 caller said a male who was “probably a juvenile” was waving a “probably fake” gun at people in a park.
The fact that those caveats never reached Officer Loehmann — who shot the child within seconds of arriving on the scene — was more than just an administrative misstep. It reflects an utter disregard for the lives of the city’s black residents. That disregard pervades every aspect of this case and begins with the fact that the department failed to even review Officer Loehmann’s work history before giving him the power of life and death over the citizens of Cleveland. Had the department done so, it would have found that Officer Loehmann had quit a suburban police department where he had showed a “dangerous loss of composure” during firearms training and was found to be emotionally unfit for the stress of the job.
Officer Loehmann joined a police department that itself had acquired a well-documented reputation for wanton violence and for shooting at people who posed no threat to the police or others. In a particularly striking event, documented by the Justice Department last year, officers mistook the sound of a car backfiring for a gunshot. They chased down and fired at the vehicle 137 times, killing two occupants who turned out to be unarmed.
The lengthy Justice Department report shows clearly why the black community viewed the Cleveland police as dangerous and profoundly out of control. In May, the Police Department entered an agreement with the Justice Department, enforceable by the courts, under which it is to adopt sweeping reforms.
The Police Department’s disregard for life was fully evident in the way the officers behaved after shooting Tamir. A surveillance video shows them standing by the child for four minutes without giving medical assistance, which was finally provided by an F.B.I. agent who happened to be in the neighborhood. Officer Frank Garmback, Officer Loehmann’s partner, nonetheless tackled the wounded boy’s 14-year-old sister as she tried to rush to his side. One can only imagine her suffering as she watched in handcuffs from the back seat of the squad car while her brother lay bleeding on the ground.
In addition to portraying the killing as a result of a tragic misunderstanding, prosecutors have also suggested the officer’s decision to kill Tamir was shaped by the fact that the surrounding neighborhood had a history of violence and that the boy appeared to be older than 12 because he was big for his age.
These arguments sidestep the history of violent, discriminatory police actions that led up to this boy’s death. They also have the reprehensible effect of shifting the responsibility for this death onto the shoulders of this very young victim.
Tamir Rice of Cleveland would be alive today had he been a white 12-year-old playing with a toy gun in just about any middle-class neighborhood in the country on the afternoon of Nov. 22, 2014.
But Tamir, who was shot to death by a white police officer that day, had the misfortune of being black in a poor area of Cleveland, where the police have historically behaved as an occupying force that shoots first and asks questions later. To grow up black and male in such a place is to live a highly circumscribed life, hemmed in by forces that deny your humanity and conspire to kill you.
Those forces hovered over the proceedings on Monday when a grand jury declined to indict Officer Timothy Loehmann in the killing and Timothy McGinty, the Cuyahoga County prosecutor, explained why he had asked the grand jurors to not bring charges. Mr. McGinty described the events leading up to Tamir’s death as tragic series of errors and “miscommunications” that began when a 911 caller said a male who was “probably a juvenile” was waving a “probably fake” gun at people in a park.
The fact that those caveats never reached Officer Loehmann — who shot the child within seconds of arriving on the scene — was more than just an administrative misstep. It reflects an utter disregard for the lives of the city’s black residents. That disregard pervades every aspect of this case and begins with the fact that the department failed to even review Officer Loehmann’s work history before giving him the power of life and death over the citizens of Cleveland. Had the department done so, it would have found that Officer Loehmann had quit a suburban police department where he had showed a “dangerous loss of composure” during firearms training and was found to be emotionally unfit for the stress of the job.
Officer Loehmann joined a police department that itself had acquired a well-documented reputation for wanton violence and for shooting at people who posed no threat to the police or others. In a particularly striking event, documented by the Justice Department last year, officers mistook the sound of a car backfiring for a gunshot. They chased down and fired at the vehicle 137 times, killing two occupants who turned out to be unarmed.
The lengthy Justice Department report shows clearly why the black community viewed the Cleveland police as dangerous and profoundly out of control. In May, the Police Department entered an agreement with the Justice Department, enforceable by the courts, under which it is to adopt sweeping reforms.
The Police Department’s disregard for life was fully evident in the way the officers behaved after shooting Tamir. A surveillance video shows them standing by the child for four minutes without giving medical assistance, which was finally provided by an F.B.I. agent who happened to be in the neighborhood. Officer Frank Garmback, Officer Loehmann’s partner, nonetheless tackled the wounded boy’s 14-year-old sister as she tried to rush to his side. One can only imagine her suffering as she watched in handcuffs from the back seat of the squad car while her brother lay bleeding on the ground.
In addition to portraying the killing as a result of a tragic misunderstanding, prosecutors have also suggested the officer’s decision to kill Tamir was shaped by the fact that the surrounding neighborhood had a history of violence and that the boy appeared to be older than 12 because he was big for his age.
These arguments sidestep the history of violent, discriminatory police actions that led up to this boy’s death. They also have the reprehensible effect of shifting the responsibility for this death onto the shoulders of this very young victim.
This is the best summary statement.
Just a tragic confluence of bad decision making by all parties.
After seeing no indictment in the Mike Brown case. I started thinking back at the Trayvon Martin case, who remembers watching CNN after the verdict and Sunny Hoston said, "the prosecutors presented a weak case"? They never brought up race, they didn't bring up G. Zimmerman calling Trayvon a "coon". That's the other side of the KKK at work. They are bringing them to trial but purposely not prosecuting them to the fullest extent.
Mark Garagos, ripping the whole prosecution team.
It's not about knowing if the gun is fake or not. It's the case of, "they wouldn't do that to a white kid." As with MOST of these black shootings.
Mr. Hayes knows nothing of gun laws.
Open carry means holstered or slung, and often unloaded in certain jurisdictions.
It does not provide allowance for brandishing your weapon and absolutely not drawing and pointing your weapon at random passers by.
I was watching that Black Panthers documentary last night. The part that resonated the most even now, was when Bobby Seale was going through the 10 points of the Panthers. Demanding what the black community needed from this country, as a race, we are so far behind. It's mind boggling because, there are so many WEALTHY blacks who look down upon the poor blacks, as if they were never in that situation 
Being responsible parents is now being white? With the world full of negative stereotypes and racism, why would you knowingly place your child in danger? That would be like dropping a child off in the hood with jewelry and money then wonder why he got robbed.
It is always more than one side to a fight and different people have different roles similar to individual players on a football or basketball team. The problem is that we get so emotional that we draw a line in the sand and lash out against anyone who has an alternative method of fixing the issue that differs from theirs. Better parenting plays a huge role in the young man being killed. That is something that we should not ignore. There are two problems and both need to be addressed
Every act of violence is not racially motivated.
Your basically saying that the facts don't matter, only the conclusion matters. I think everyone would be better served if we reverse engineered our current mode of analysis and look at the facts first, as ugly as they may be, and begin to draw conclusions based on those facts.
The internet seems to work in the opposite direction.
Because that would make them a serial killer. Most criminals are not some emotionless person and only commit crimes for survival
Yeah... Race shouldn't have been an issue. The Law should have just played itself out. You think Rice was an adult in an OPEN CARRY state? then why rush to judgement and shoot? I got you!
I'm surprised this discussion is 4 pages deep and no one has posted the full video...but then again, I'm not surprised.
Trayvon wore a hoodie and people made this same excuse. Being born black puts you in danger.
Did you watch the video?
I have seen that entire video enough to see someone in a police car drive into the grass and shoot within 2 seconds before knowing anything.
Ok, so around the 1:10 mark the kid is seen walking up to someone and showing them the weapon, later he points the toy gun in that direction.
Now some folk are characterizing Tamir's behavior before police engagement as just a kid in the park playing with a toy gun. After seeing the video I'm not convinced this characterization is accurate.
But most people have no need for this particular set of facts, so they ignore it and move on to better facts which supports their conclusion.
Ignore utilized
It's apparent that there are many cacs in this thread. Attempting to rationalize the actions of Tamir Rice being murdered is a manifestation of their innate iniquity.
Often, I say something to the effect of the iniquity of the cac.
They are evil; no further dialogue needs to be made.
Often, I say something to the effect of the iniquity of the cac.
They are evil; no further dialogue needs to be made.
especially when there is documented video proof of white folks actually shooting officers and being taken in without being killed or shot.
WHITES WILL ALWAYS PROTECT WHITES!!!!...but this isnt about just cops; they are the symptoms not the problems; The problem is the entire justice system; The mayors, governors, attorney generals, DAs, Police Chiefs, unions, and corporations that support this ridiculous behavior; The head needs to be cut off; GO AFTER AND FIX THE PROBLEM, THE SYMPTOMS WILL CHANGE
Are all these idiots the same guy? We honestly can't have THIS many scumbags on here can we?
What makes me a scumbag?
It still puzzles me why he drove right up to the boy. By doing that it only left one outcome
Except that the officer didn't drive up and shoot him.
He shot him because Tamir raised his jacket and reached in his waist band as the officer exited the cruiser, which to any rational person looks like a weapon drawing motion since most weapons, especially firearms, are kept at the waistband level.
How many times have people been told, when approached by police make no sudden movements and reach for nothing until commanded!
I know if I'm exiting my vehicle and I see someone make a motion like this as I am exiting, and after being given a description of this person holding a weapon and pointing it at people, I'm thinking they're going to draw down on me and possibly try to shoot me.
Peterlong short is a cac
He drove up on the boy because he is a certified well-documented jackass. Had it been any other cop on the force that day the kid would probably be alive.
Thats what most of your posts look like. You lack the ability to articulate a position or analyze a concept but you want to participate, so you just make noise. Like a dog in a barbershop.
You should stick to booty threads and stuff about sports and GED programs.
You gonna be one of the firsts to go.