** The HBO Series "The Wire" Question & Answer Thread **

[alexw]

So exactly why did he demote his own nephew to the low-rises after his f'up but kept another f'up as you say as the #2 in his organization?

String didnt start fucking up until Avon got locked up (and he was left to make the major decisions... )

most were bad decisions, man

plus Dangelo was never a major player to Avon

Avon knew his head wasnt truly into the game

but he loved him

You seem to dismiss A LOT of what we saw from Season 1, the fact that no one spoke directly to Avon, EVERYTHING went thru Stringer, and this was BEFORE the attempt on Avon by Omar.

And what show were you watching to equate Cheese being to Prop Joe what Stringer was to Avon, Cheese neither advised Prop Joe nor made any decisions, Chris didn.t either with Marlo

great points here, tho

ill sit back and see how Cran counters

btw, Chris gave marlo plenty of advice

cheese was just a leech

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

No bro, NOTHING happened in Season 1 w/o Avon's approval, when he and Stringer met @ the bar he already knew about the set-up, he DIDN'T know about the money, which is why Stringer took the blame, ALL of the moves the police made from that shooting was with info THEY ALREADY HAD, to show "dope on the table".

stringer knew about the money
and if he had told avon about the shit avon wouldve told them to not do the shit at all
stringer knew all the facts witheld some and it cost them

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

while Stringer didn't completly understand what he was learning in business school... he wasn't incompetitent - Avon was fighting to maintain a brand and presence in a market Stringer wanted to leave behind... Alot of corporates make the same mistake Stringer did, unfortunatly it is very hard to rebrand yourself in a new sector.
Most companies create spinoffs or subsidiaries now. But they usually do this only when the market is stable. Stringer couldn't "read" the market conditions accurately

Stringer wanted to become the street banker, and real estate developer, like many hustlers have done in the past.

right which goes to my point. you said he wasnt incompetent then the rest of the post went into how much he didnt do correctly cause he didnt understand

i know what he wanted to be but his ego dug holes he couldnt climb out of...

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

See I dont think Marlo was a genius

Marlo was extremely lucky and his ruthlessness brought fear

but he lost his battles to Omar

and he was extremely lucky when slim charles didnt get that call

but luck runs out

if the show wouldve continued, Marlo dies quickly

hell he couldnt adjust to life without the streets

he was lucky but the omar thing wasn't on him... he got some bad advice from his stringer (chris) and his stringer (chris) witheld information.

remember omar called marlo...everyone knew but marlo... and mike questioned why they let omar be when he calling marlo out?

monk came to chris and chris made the decision and presented it half-truthfully to marlo...

remember monk spilled the beans about omar calling him out and marlo...understanding the importance of his name (brand) got upset?

and chris tried to make the excuse of saying he didn't need to deal with that stuff

and it was the only time marlo raised his voice and got mad at chris....saying "motherfucker how you know what i need to deal with?"

and said the famous quote "my name is my name"

the prop joe cheese wedge is my nomination into the how marlo was smarter than people give him credit for

 

[keone]

Troll much?

:d:d

 

[Count23]

I'm watching the part where the levy puts stringer up on clay's game...no wonder levy laughs at him, the con was so simple when you look at it. the irony was he was berating avon for being short sighted, when he was being shot sighted his own damn self

 

[bgque12]

no need to address people as dickhead. especially when your own post makes it clear that YOU are the dickhead.



this video is a testament to how monumentally stupid stringer bell is. begin with the rules of conduct he has imposed on the meeting. oh, but i forgot. you're very impressed by the fancy protocol. carry on with that admiration.

for actual business heads, we know that a superior product without plentiful distribution channels to meet demand is worthless. real world example: apple doesn't limit sales to apple store retail locations. you can also purchase at retail from target or best buy. sadly, a young BGOL member listening to an inexperienced buffoon such as yourself (or stringer bell) might mistakenly believe that product trumps distribution.

second, you claimed i never responded to the video. i did several times. it was you who never responded to my question of GROSS v. NET. because you don't know what those terms reference?

and since you're going to have to google anyway, respond to: how was stringer bell's ROI on the specific arrangement referenced in your video. additionally, what were the long term dividends?

edit: had to add, thanks for posting the video. it clearly points to the vast paradigm shift string bell underwent. just like other sheep.

I see you didn't speak to the fact that they made more money under Stringer than they were making when Avon was on the street.

 

[hussla's paradice]

bump

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Did they ever say what happened with Daniels and his wife?

 

[Cock Head Jones]

dont let cranrab see this thread is back...

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I'm watching the part where the levy puts stringer up on clay's game...no wonder levy laughs at him, the con was so simple when you look at it. the irony was he was berating avon for being short sighted, when he was being shot sighted his own damn self

when avon wasn't being short sided at all
it took him 1 walk through to see it was bleeding money and not worth it. 1 meeting

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I see you didn't speak to the fact that they made more money under Stringer than they were making when Avon was on the street.

made more money on what?

the properties never panned out he got bled dry

how much money was the copy place really making?

and i guess the only real moneymaker was the funeral home, but wasn't that a result of avon wanting his corners?


the problem wasn't stringer trying to go legit

it was how he tried to go legit.

 

[bgque12]

made more money on what?

the properties never panned out he got bled dry

how much money was the copy place really making?

and i guess the only real moneymaker was the funeral home, but wasn't that a result of avon wanting his corners?


the problem wasn't stringer trying to go legit

it was how he tried to go legit.

Drugs, nigga! In the beginning of season 3 when they have the meeting at the funeral home he tells them that they are making more with less territory because they have the best product. When Avon gets out and he shows him the condo Avon tells him he did a good job with the money. You cats want Stringer to be this big failure but the fact is they made more money because of the deal he made with prop Joe & he washing more. That's why he and Avon had condos in their names and Avon had a Escalade in the garage in his name.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Drugs, nigga! In the beginning of season 3 when they have the meeting at the funeral home he tells them that they are making more with less territory because they have the best product. When Avon gets out and he shows him the condo Avon tells him he did a good job with the money. You cats want Stringer to be this big failure but the fact is they made more money because of the deal he made with prop Joe & he washing more. That's why he and Avon had condos in their names and Avon had a Escalade in the garage in his name.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

String didnt start fucking up until Avon got locked up (and he was left to make the major decisions... )

most were bad decisions, man

plus Dangelo was never a major player to Avon

Avon knew his head wasnt truly into the game

but he loved him

We agree here, although running a Tower was a postion of power for D, my point was that while the drug game was the only thing they had going, they flourished, we are shown this from the outset of the show, when Stringer got involved with B+B, that's when his focus started leaving the drug game, when he started making more loot with less territory, and the condos were nearing completion his "away games" and thoughts of becoming "the bank" took up most of his time and focus, the drug game was secondary, leading to all of the mistakes he made, even when he got the call about murking Omar, the primary focus of the drug side, he was busy dealing with "away game" ish!

great points here, tho

ill sit back and see how Cran counters

btw, Chris gave marlo plenty of advice

cheese was just a leech

I was just referring to making decisions as far as Chris, he was Marlo's only sounding board/advisor, most definitely!

Stringer was a fool, no doubt, all I was saying is that we actually watched his character become a fool, cran's assertion that he was a fool from day one to me doesn't hold water, he had respect in the streets and throughout Avon's organization, fool's don't get that, I referred to Fredo from "The Godfather", dude never got any respect from anyone, and he was a family member, and he most definitely was NEVER put in charge, they gave him side projects to keep him busy and even in those he still garnered no respect!

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Hate to bump this old thread again and maybe the answer is an easy one.

If String never cut the deal with Prop Joe, what would have happened to the Barksdale drug trade?

They had all the prime real estate but had the weakest product. They were starting to lose a significant amount of biz to the east side.

Looking back, was it a good deal?

 

[cranrab]

Looking back, was it a good deal?

at the time? no.

in the future? no. towers came down anyway.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

at the time? no.

in the future? no. towers came down anyway.

so then how do u stop the bleeding?

they were starting to lose alot of biz to the eastside and that would only continue to get worse unless something was done about it.

 

[cranrab]

so then how do u stop the bleeding?

you hold your water and wait for avon barksdale to acquire a new connect, like he said he would.

you don't get your panties in a bunch and panic, pulling an end around like the bitch stringer bell did. stringer bell's ineptitude and desire to play "boss for a day" was a HUGE failure.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Drugs, nigga! In the beginning of season 3 when they have the meeting at the funeral home he tells them that they are making more with less territory because they have the best product. When Avon gets out and he shows him the condo Avon tells him he did a good job with the money. You cats want Stringer to be this big failure but the fact is they made more money because of the deal he made with prop Joe & he washing more. That's why he and Avon had condos in their names and Avon had a Escalade in the garage in his name.

Drugs wasn't an away game so bringing that up makes no sense, drugs wasn't their downfall drugs is the only sure thing that both of them did well.
All of the connects and good dope was gone so the prop joe thing was the only option. they had no other options all of the connects distanced themselves as well as stringer setup the muscle avon had setup for him.

the drugs was never the problem the drugs is how they came into all of their money.

i'm not trying to make stringer anything he wasn't.

he was a great drug dealer as was avon that's fact.

stringer FUCKED UP trying to do all of the extra shit that didn't pan out.

don't act like they didn't have DOUGH before avon went in, because they did... a lot of it. a whole lot of it.

money was never the issue, it was trying to do the other shit that fucked them all up in the game

all of them.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Hate to bump this old thread again and maybe the answer is an easy one.

If String never cut the deal with Prop Joe, what would have happened to the Barksdale drug trade?

They had all the prime real estate but had the weakest product. They were starting to lose a significant amount of biz to the east side.

Looking back, was it a good deal?

Who knows what would have happened with it. There were no other options though. He had to do it. All the good connects distanced themselves so it would have been a done deal.

At the time it was what they had to do. I don't fault him for it at the time. Towers still came down but they had the connect. those type of moves stringer made i don't have any issue with. That's what he was good at, selling drugs.

 

[cranrab]

Who knows what would have happened with it. There were no other options though. He had to do it. All the good connects distanced themselves so it would have been a done deal.

At the time it was what they had to do. I don't fault him for it at the time. Towers still came down but they had the connect. those type of moves stringer made i don't have any issue with. That's what he was good at, selling drugs.

except for one glaring fact.

even if you assume a (larger) net profit, stringer bell sold out avon barksdale's organization for a short term gain.

what he got in return was long term instability that proved to be a poison pill (individually and collectively).

 

[bgque12]

except for one glaring fact.

even if you assume a (larger) net profit, stringer bell sold out avon barksdale's organization for a short term gain.

what he got in return was long term instability that proved to be a poison pill (individually and collectively).

Dude you still on this bullshyt Avon would not have had any problems at all if he had not run his mouth to that chick about all the property he owned. If he hadn't done that Bunk and McNulty would have never know and would not have know a damn thing about Orlando's or anything else he own.

 

[cranrab]

Dude you still on this bullshyt Avon would not have had any problems at all if he had not run his mouth to that chick about all the property he owned.

still making shit up after all this time, just to protect a TV character you developed feelings for.

 

[bgque12]

still making shit up after all this time, just to protect a TV character you developed feelings for.

You're the only one making shit up. How did Bumk and McNulty find out about Orlando's and the other stuff that Avon owned? Go watch the ep where they interview her friend and she tells them what Avon told her girl.

 

[cranrab]

You're the only one making shit up. How did Bumk and McNulty find out about Orlando's and the other stuff that Avon owned? Go watch the ep where they interview her friend and she tells them what Avon told her girl.

and you bring this up in response to TMM's question about the deal with prop joe?

right.



catching feelings for stringer bell. damn.

 

[Nobody]

Stringer had the right ideas his ambition, impatience and greed got the best of him.

He tried to do too much too soon.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Stringer had the right ideas his ambition, impatience and greed got the best of him.

He tried to do too much too soon.

i can go along with this somewhat.

too much too soon for sure.

his arrogance also did him in. he felt he was smarter than everyone else, which is why he did some of the questionable things that he did. (using omar to setup the brother when there was no reason on earth to involve the brother into the omar thing, especially considering who the brother was, and what he meant)


the properties thing, his arrogance got him fucked up in that, he took some classes thought he knew everything and started running. instead of running it by his paid lawyer who's job it is , is to keep him clear of the bullshit and ended up getting got with nothing to be done about it.

being underhanded and arrogant got him killed.

 

[bgque12]

and you bring this up in response to TMM's question about the deal with prop joe?

right.



catching feelings for stringer bell. damn.

I bring it up because you keep hugging Avon's nuts like he did no wrong. Now answer the question... How did Bunk and McNulty find out about all the property that Avon owned?

 

[cranrab]

his arrogance also did him in.

that's not arrogance.

that's ignorance. that's incompetence. that's ineptitude.

that's a gross overestimation of one's abilities.

that's like saying michael brown (director of FEMA during katrina) was arrogant.

 

[cranrab]

Now answer the question.[/COLOR]

still waiting for an answer from you regarding TMM's question.

why the deflection?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

that's not arrogance.

that's ignorance. that's incompetence. that's ineptitude.

that's a gross overestimation of one's abilities.

that's like saying michael brown (director of FEMA during katrina) was arrogant.

I think its both
I don't think he was Michael brown, because stringer was good at selling drugs so he did have some worth.

He just wasn't as smart as he thought he was.

the properties, yes ignorance.

but the setting up between omar and the brother, that was arrogance.

 

[bgque12]

still waiting for an answer from you regarding TMM's question.

why the deflection?

That's what you have been doing this entire thread! As soon as somebody catches you in your BS you change directions and refuse to answer then try to make them look like they have the issue

 

[cranrab]

the setting up between omar and the brother, that was arrogance.

no, that was the easy way out. or so he thought.

dumb ass thought he was being clever on some "2 birds with 1 stone" shit.

again, didn't listen to avon barksdale. tried to play "boss for a day" and proved unequivocally that he was incapable of such a role.

 

[cranrab]

That's what you have been doing this entire thread! As soon as somebody catches you in your BS

changed directions?

everybody in here (especially those that disagree) know my position.

how could i have changed directions?

just alleged "dudes" with hurt feelings over stringer bell complaining.