** The HBO Series "The Wire" Question & Answer Thread **

[largebillsonlyplease]

wow...

I'm studying the second season everyone is so divided on again just to see how it holds up.

its that type of layered intricate storytelling that makes me get into damn near fist fights when people try to say it isn't one of the BEST series ever created top to bottom hands down.

Each season added a layer. People kept looking at the surface but the wire attacked the WHOLE problem.

1st season introduced to the drug war. Police and the gangs.

2nd season you still have the police you still have the gangs now you see how the gangs get their dope and how so much illegal shit gets into Baltimore..who's really doing it.. how they're connected to the FBI and how they get away free.

3rd season you still touch on the greek connect some and you have the gangs you see how the system works though you see how cutty is trying to be rehabilitated after being in jail for so long and how easy it is to get back into the shit. you also see how the drug war is bullshit on the inside.. getting hamsterdam and we start to touch on politics.


4th season still got the gangs still got the drug war now we got the politics and we see how it fucks with the kids in the school system...

5th season it's everything before it plus the media and how they all see it.

street. police. suits. politics. schools. newspaper. ports.

all of it matters. it's the only show that attacked the entire system. not just saying hey look at the bad black people. it was hey look at how these black people have to live because of all these different levels of people who don't care about them.

Shit i was thinking the white dude with the buzz cut that rolled with Carver was Darren Wilson before we knew who Darren Wilson was..

 

[Djmarkxr7]

things to peep.

season 4 in the alternative class they asked one of the 8th graders what they wanted to be. One said pediatric neurosurgeon.
Later bunk and Mcnulty were out and one of bunk's kids said he wanted to be police. The other who was about 7 years old was still in that "pediatric neurosurgeon phase"

Season 4.

When Michael didn't take Marlo's money and they were talking about it. Naymond says "Shit I'll take anybody's money if they offering it" or something like that. Him and Randy Agree


Same episode Clay gets those subpoena's and is in the mayor's office raising hell talking about it's all up in his shit and then he says "You think I got time to ask a man where his money come from and why he giving it? Shit, I'll take any motherfucker's money if he offering it"

LOL, largebillsonly, you're gonna live a long time bruh, I made a response in this thread about d/ling the HD version that just dropped, after I also wrote out a response to both you and cranrab (where is he?) on the two main points we were going back & forth over in this thread, but as I hit " Reply" I got bumped off the free WiFi I was on (the damn "Connect" page came up) and LOST the entire post, I didn't feel like typing it out again till I got home & then I see that YOU replied in the thread!

Gonna watch over again myself, though I still stand where I was, GOING BY WHAT THEY SHOWED US Avon could NOT secure a new connect because his old connect felt it was Avon's crew that dropped dime on them because of the timing of them getting busted, and we were shown/told that Avon & String came up together, NOT Avon coming up & String joining later, we were also shown that apart EACH made their own mistakes, they worked well TOGETHER, NOT APART!!!

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

LOL, largebillsonly, you're gonna live a long time bruh, I made a response in this thread about d/ling the HD version that just dropped, after I also wrote out a response to both you and cranrab (where is he?) on the two main points we were going back & forth over in this thread, but as I hit " Reply" I got bumped off the free WiFi I was on (the damn "Connect" page came up) and LOST the entire post, I didn't feel like typing it out again till I got home & then I see that YOU replied in the thread!

Gonna watch over again myself, though I still stand where I was, GOING BY WHAT THEY SHOWED US Avon could NOT secure a new connect because his old connect felt it was Avon's crew that dropped dime on them because of the timing of them getting busted, and we were shown/told that Avon & String came up together, NOT Avon coming up & String joining later, we were also shown that apart EACH made their own mistakes, they worked well TOGETHER, NOT APART!!!

Avon could secure a connect, he was working on it. Prop came in at the right time with the proposition and that was all she wrote. He still had enough juice to be paying Wee bay people a year after he was locked up right? He could've kept it lit especially if his #2 was alive but he wasn't so that was that.

They did both make mistakes. Avon wanted the war because its how he was raised and Stringer thought he was smarter than he was.
He was so ready to try and do some other shit he got taken to the cleaners.

Avon had to tell brother where he was on code

Stringer snitched as a "business decision"

Remember Avon asked how could he make it right..how much money to make the problem go away...

Stringer just decided he needed Avon to go to jail

 

[playahaitian]

damn great thoughts and responses...

gonna have to watch and check back here after every episode.

someone need to post the complete list of episodes so they can be referenced...

#bgol_thewire

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Avon could secure a connect, he was working on it. Prop came in at the right time with the proposition and that was all she wrote. He still had enough juice to be paying Wee bay people a year after he was locked up right? He could've kept it lit especially if his #2 was alive but he wasn't so that was that.

They did both make mistakes. Avon wanted the war because its how he was raised and Stringer thought he was smarter than he was.
He was so ready to try and do some other shit he got taken to the cleaners.

Avon had to tell brother where he was on code

Stringer snitched as a "business decision"

Remember Avon asked how could he make it right..how much money to make the problem go away...

Stringer just decided he needed Avon to go to jail

Whoa bruh, we can only go by what we were shown

Did Avon EVER secure a new connection?

No.

Was he even close to securing a new one?

No.

If he was, why did he eventually agree with Stringer?!?

As I pointed out, his original connect going down tied with him going to jail made Avon toxic to other connects, that's why he had problems, Brother was purely about protecting what he already had, "property" he was losing because he couldn't secure another connection!

Why would the writers go thru the foolishness of showing us crack heads catching a beat down for walking past Avon's people, something that was diametrically opposed to what Stringer said in the very first ep ("if the stuff is bad, we just sell twice as much!") they weren't selling ANYTHING, peeps knew Avon brought Brother in, that STILL didn't help with getting a new connect!

That's what the writers showed us man, no speculation.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Well when Stringer said "if the stuff is bad, we'll just sell twice as much" that was before the Greek came thru with the A-1 product and everybody had it except Barksdale's crew.

Them showing the crack head getting beat up for shitting on Avon's package was to show that "renaming the crappy product and selling more of it" wasn't going to fly anymore.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Whoa bruh, we can only go by what we were shown

Did Avon EVER secure a new connection?

No.

Was he even close to securing a new one?

No.

If he was, why did he eventually agree with Stringer?!?

As I pointed out, his original connect going down tied with him going to jail made Avon toxic to other connects, that's why he had problems, Brother was purely about protecting what he already had, "property" he was losing because he couldn't secure another connection!

Why would the writers go thru the foolishness of showing us crack heads catching a beat down for walking past Avon's people, something that was diametrically opposed to what Stringer said in the very first ep ("if the stuff is bad, we just sell twice as much!") they weren't selling ANYTHING, peeps knew Avon brought Brother in, that STILL didn't help with getting a new connect!

That's what the writers showed us man, no speculation.

Did he ever secure a new connection no. Why? Because he didn't have time to do it. You say did he ever secure a new one like they were trying to secure a new one after the coop shit got started. That's being dishonest to the discussion. The better question would be did the writers show him continuing to try and find his own connection after the coop was started and he had no luck, the answer to that is no.

Just like you say the writers didn't show him finding a new connect they also didn't show him TRYING to find a new connect after the coop was done. right?

Eventually agree? Again, you're acting like it was a few months time between Stringer setting the shit up behind his back and Avon agreeing with everything. It was not a lot of time it probably wasn't even a week covering the entire process of joining in on prop Joe.
Remember Stringer struck the deal with Prop Joe and he went to see Avon who had already sent the brother out there to hold the fort while he tried to figure things out with the connect.. remember?

Why would he send the brother to hold onto property if he knew he was dead as far as connects go...does that make sense? Nope.

Stringer brought it to him within a week and Avon said OK. Let's not act like it couldn't be done just because he didn't find one within a span of a week or maybe 2 weeks tops.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Well when Stringer said "if the stuff is bad, we'll just sell twice as much" that was before the Greek came thru with the A-1 product and everybody had it except Barksdale's crew.

Them showing the crack head getting beat up for shitting on Avon's package was to show that "renaming the crappy product and selling more of it" wasn't going to fly anymore.

Exactly.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Did he ever secure a new connection no. Why? Because he didn't have time to do it. You say did he ever secure a new one like they were trying to secure a new one after the coop shit got started. That's being dishonest to the discussion. The better question would be did the writers show him continuing to try and find his own connection after the coop was started and he had no luck, the answer to that is no.

Just like you say the writers didn't show him finding a new connect they also didn't show him TRYING to find a new connect after the coop was done. right?

Eventually agree? Again, you're acting like it was a few months time between Stringer setting the shit up behind his back and Avon agreeing with everything. It was not a lot of time it probably wasn't even a week covering the entire process of joining in on prop Joe.
Remember Stringer struck the deal with Prop Joe and he went to see Avon who had already sent the brother out there to hold the fort while he tried to figure things out with the connect.. remember?

Why would he send the brother to hold onto property if he knew he was dead as far as connects go...does that make sense? Nope.

Stringer brought it to him within a week and Avon said OK. Let's not act like it couldn't be done just because he didn't find one within a span of a week or maybe 2 weeks tops.

Lol, for now, I'll just agree to disagree, but I believe that your timeline is off, it wasn't months but it was DEFINITELY several weeks, remember Prop Joe's stuff was already better than their old connect, then when their connect got busted they had to look elsewhere, which I believe was the connect from Atlanta (the stuff that Stringer's guy told him was "garbage" but String told him to step on it anyway, you don't get shipments of new cocaine each week bruh, WAAYYY too risky, each shipment takes time to cut, package, distribute & sell, each shipment saw Avon losing soldiers because they had no viable product to sell, no soldiers = lost territory, and if I remember correctly, Avon brought in Brother more because of territory he THOUGHT he lost, not knowing that Stringer had actually given it away!

Avon also sent Brother because, being inside prison he neither saw nor understood his true position, Stringer tried to relate it to him but Avon wasn't having it, it's understandable, what was happening in the streets @ the time was unprecedented, that's the point I keep trying to make, Avon didn't use so he couldn't understand how different the high was but, more importantly, he couldn't see how crackheads were literally RUNNING AWAY from his product!

And I believe that you're also moving the Co-op's timeline as well (but I'm not sure so I'll reserve judgment on that), & you're still dismissing how another connect is gonna deal with you after hearing that you put the last one in jail & might be trying to work out a deal, WE knew that wasn't the case but the people there didn't!!!

I'll be back, I guess we BOTH have long off-seasons since neither of us made the playoffs, good luck on your search for a new HC!

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Lol, for now, I'll just agree to disagree, but I believe that your timeline is off, it wasn't months but it was DEFINITELY several weeks, remember Prop Joe's stuff was already better than their old connect, then when their connect got busted they had to look elsewhere, which I believe was the connect from Atlanta (the stuff that Stringer's guy told him was "garbage" but String told him to step on it anyway, you don't get shipments of new cocaine each week bruh, WAAYYY too risky, each shipment takes time to cut, package, distribute & sell, each shipment saw Avon losing soldiers because they had no viable product to sell, no soldiers = lost territory, and if I remember correctly, Avon brought in Brother more because of territory he THOUGHT he lost, not knowing that Stringer had actually given it away!

Avon also sent Brother because, being inside prison he neither saw nor understood his true position, Stringer tried to relate it to him but Avon wasn't having it, it's understandable, what was happening in the streets @ the time was unprecedented, that's the point I keep trying to make, Avon didn't use so he couldn't understand how different the high was but, more importantly, he couldn't see how crackheads were literally RUNNING AWAY from his product!

And I believe that you're also moving the Co-op's timeline as well (but I'm not sure so I'll reserve judgment on that), & you're still dismissing how another connect is gonna deal with you after hearing that you put the last one in jail & might be trying to work out a deal, WE knew that wasn't the case but the people there didn't!!!

I'll be back, I guess we BOTH have long off-seasons since neither of us made the playoffs, good luck on your search for a new HC!

It wasn't that much time between Avon sending the brother and Stringer making the deal.. that's the point. If there was a time gap he would have known the brother was coming before he agreed to the deal with Joe and wouldn't have tried to set the brother up which ended up getting him killed.

I just watched it again is why Im commenting like it's fresh. The timeline is solid. They went from going in to meeting up and discussing almost immediately. The only person that it took some time to bring along was Marlo, he didn't fuck with the coop until he got robbed in the card game.

And thanks, we don't need anything but health and an offensive mind.

 

[playahaitian]

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[bgque12]

Well when Stringer said "if the stuff is bad, we'll just sell twice as much" that was before the Greek came thru with the A-1 product and everybody had it except Barksdale's crew.

Them showing the crack head getting beat up for shitting on Avon's package was to show that "renaming the crappy product and selling more of it" wasn't going to fly anymore.

Dude forgot the other part of that quote: "shit is bad but shit is bad all over." Once prop Joe got with the Greeks it was over for that week shit.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

When Omar took the shipment, Marlo wanted to kill cheese and Prop Joe said he couldn't give him up like that

Cheese ain't feel the same way about Joe did he?

 

[SIDESHOW]

When Omar took the shipment, Marlo wanted to kill cheese and Prop Joe said he couldn't give him up like that

Cheese ain't feel the same way about Joe did he?

so glad Cheese got his in the end. still can believe the way he sold out Joe like that

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Season 5 1st episode. Marlo= definition of chess not checkers. Didn't see it at the time but at the co-op he raised a stink about joe not promoting his people and used slim charles as an example.
he wasn't pandering to slim charles he was planting a seed in cheese's ear. cheese is mugging like shit right after they finish that exchange.

 

[LSN]

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[largebillsonlyplease]

season 5 2- Mcnulty is going off about how there are no rules and the game is rigged.. just like he heard boadie say when they got lunch the last time he saw boadie alive.

 

[jasonblacc]

so glad Cheese got his in the end. still can believe the way he sold out Joe like that

Naw, man joe earned that death.....him and his back handed deals. He gave up the card game, and the blinded dude. Joe, is just as grimy as stringer.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

YALL remember when Quaid stuck up the card game?

I need that gif ASAP

 

[grownazzblakman]

Naw, man joe earned that death.....him and his back handed deals. He gave up the card game, and the blinded dude. Joe, is just as grimy as stringer.

Sidenote....
Prop Joe never told Marlo about Blind Butchie. Cheese gave him up.

He told Chris that Butchie is someone who knows where Omar is hiding... in exchange for a $50k reward.

Check out the first few seconds of this clip....



Then later on in season 5... After Butchie died, Omar came back for revenge.... and Slim Charles confirmed to him that Prop Joe was NEVER involved in Butchie's death.

 

[Bumpee]

Season 5 1st episode. Marlo= definition of chess not checkers. Didn't see it at the time but at the co-op he raised a stink about joe not promoting his people and used slim charles as an example.
he wasn't pandering to slim charles he was planting a seed in cheese's ear. cheese is mugging like shit right after they finish that exchange.

I remember when i first watched that scene, thinking that he was gonna try and get at Marlo for how he was coming as his uncle.

Naw, man joe earned that death.....him and his back handed deals. He gave up the card game, and the blinded dude. Joe, is just as grimy as stringer.

Prop Joe earned it by not paying attention when Slim warned him about Marlo. He tried to take him under his wing on some protege shit. As devious as Prop Joe was, he had blinders on when it came to Marlo.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Slim lowkey was the realest nigga in the wire

"If it's a lie then we fight on that lie"

He should Micheal K williams status in movies

Maybe it's the braids, u see Omar cut his

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Slim lowkey was the realest nigga in the wire

"If it's a lie then we fight on that lie"

He should Micheal K williams status in movies

Maybe it's the braids, u see Omar cut his

Slim was the only one that everybody respected.
Avon loved him
He found a home with Prop Joe
Omar believed him when he had the drop on him
And he's the only "outsider" that Marlo took a real liking/respect to.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

the main cop on gang related, the one connected to the crime family was omar's boyfriend on the wire.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Tony Colicio is Darren Wilson type

 

[SIDESHOW]

Slim was the only one that everybody respected.
Avon loved him
He found a home with Prop Joe
Omar believed him when he had the drop on him
And he's the only "outsider" that Marlo took a real liking/respect to.

Slim was a new school kat, with that old school "code"... everyone had to respect that. His word was his bond.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Slim was a new school kat, with that old school "code"... everyone had to respect that. His word was his bond.

He warned prop joe it was cheese who put marlo people onto butchie but joe still ain't wanna do his kin like that

 

[godofwine]

He warned prop joe it was cheese who put marlo people onto butchie but joe still ain't wanna do his kin like that

And his affinity to his kin came to be his undoing. This is a lesson for all of us: if you got people who you are related to who are dirty - cut they asses loose. It's hard, but often times necessary, because if you don't they may tie an anchor to your leg when doubted yourself whether you should tie one to theirs because they are family.

 

[Bumpee]

He warned prop joe it was cheese who put marlo people onto butchie but joe still ain't wanna do his kin like that

Lol i remember back in Season 2 where he was talkin about dealing with "burdensome niggas." If only he really knew.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Cheese was probably the bitchiest character on the show

 

[LSN]

Cheese was probably the bitchiest character on the show

Mr. Cheese

 

[jasonblacc]

Slim was the only one that everybody respected.
Avon loved him
He found a home with Prop Joe
Omar believed him when he had the drop on him
And he's the only "outsider" that Marlo took a real liking/respect to.

Idk if Avon loved him....he was only there because webay bird and stinkum got locked n killed.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Idk if Avon loved him....he was only there because webay bird and stinkum got locked n killed.

Don't matter how he came to be there. He trusted him as much as he trusted anybody

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Mr. Cheese

Just saw him get checked by Joe in the co-op meeting then get up like a little kid and kick his chair back walk away in a hissy fit and move another chair to the side

 

[TimRock]

I wasn't too thrilled with Omar's death.