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ansatsusha_gouki

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Doesn't really matter if Forsett is starting or Booker we can't run the football period! This is one of the worst offensive lines at run blocking I've ever seen.



While,I agree the offensive line is shitty ass fuck...Devontae Booker isn't running in the correct hole.

I think that's why the signed Forsett,because Booker isn't seeing the hole correctly.


Either way,it's going to be a looooooooooong day tomorrow....

http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/12/17/13980562/offensive-lines-woes

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/12/1...o-breakdown-fantasy-highlights-denver-broncos
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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I told you that last week.


I don't understand,why this team comes out playing aggressive in the first quarter and then go back to the same bullshit offense for rest of the game..


Makes me sick that the defense got carry this team despite having flaws on their side...Can you imagine,if the offense was average this team would have a better record now...
 

Mastermind2002

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I saw all I needed to see last week.
I don't understand,why this team comes out playing aggressive in the first quarter and then go back to the same bullshit offense for rest of the game

Because Kubiak scripts the first 15 plays then when he has to actually call the plays himself the offense becomes stale and dated. He needs more variety in his offensive system. It's too predictable.
 

Mastermind2002

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The bright spot however is Siemian is going to be a good player for us. We just need to put an offensive line and running game behind him.
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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hate to be that guy but..


This is exactly,why I didn't want Kubiak as the coach....



I saw all I needed to see last week.


Because Kubiak scripts the first 15 plays then when he has to actually call the plays himself the offense becomes stale and dated. He needs more variety in his offensive system. It's too predictable.



The bright spot however is Siemian is going to be a good player for us. We just need to put an offensive line and running game behind him.

I've been screaming about someone to fix the offensive line,for 15 years and it's still hasn't been addressed....

This is what kills me,they've said multiple times in multiple games that Kubiak does all the playcalling and yet fans keep putting the blame on the offensive coordinator...makes no sense at all.

Can't forget receivers dropping passes,but that's the least of the problem....
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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You gotta love Kubiak in the press conference acting like everything is all good,especially when someone brought up Norwood.


Jordan Taylor have been outplaying Norwood and yet he still on this roster.....lol

You have an elite defense despite them not being able to stop the run and yet he acting like things is all good.....

:lol2::lol2::lol2:


You know you're in trouble when a second year quarterback is more upset than the head coach...
 

Mastermind2002

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You gotta love Kubiak in the press conference acting like everything is all good,especially when someone brought up Norwood.


Jordan Taylor have been outplaying Norwood and yet he still on this roster.....lol

You have an elite defense despite them not being able to stop the run and yet he acting like things is all good.....

:lol2::lol2::lol2:


You know you're in trouble when a second year quarterback is more upset than the head coach...

The nonchalant "we're ok" attitude when reality says that couldn't be further from the truth is what got John Fox fired. Kubiak better be very careful because Elway doesn't like that kind of attitude.
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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The nonchalant "we're ok" attitude when reality says that couldn't be further from the truth is what got John Fox fired. Kubiak better be very careful because Elway doesn't like that kind of attitude.



I shit you not,he said we need to play better in the redzone,I'm like wtf....

He's the main playcaller on this staff and yet he have the audacity to say they need to play better...How about being imaginative on offense,I mean this team always get stuff,because he has no imagination at all.

I understand players need to execute,but he's not helping this team either...


And,when someone brought up Norwood for the second time,he said all players makes some mistakes....I had to shake my head on that one,because he's been making alot of of them..
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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Denver Broncos' frustrations boil over after loss to Patriots


DENVER -- Their bid for another epic victory over Tom Brady and the New England Patriots, and possibly their chance to defend a Super Bowl championship, ended with a whimper Sunday afternoon in front of 76,893 chilled and dejected fans at Sports Authority Field. Then, immediately following a 16-3 feat to their formidable AFC rivals, the Broncos' frustrations boiled over, as a seemingly ho-hum attempt at postgame unity began and ended with a bang.

When the beaten Broncos spilled into the locker room, before the door was opened to reporters and other outsiders, coach Gary Kubiak gathered his players and asked if anyone wanted to address the team. Veteran left tackle Russell Okung, who signed with the Broncos last March, stepped forward to speak, and strong safety T.J. Ward strongly objected. According to several witnesses, that set off a spirited shouting match between the team's defensive backs and offensive linemen -- one which Kubiak had to diffuse before it turned ugly.


"Pretty much your classic offense vs. defense divide," as one Denver player described it.

It wasn't the Broncos' finest hour, but the timing of the outburst was certainly understandable. The defeat left Denver (8-6), which has remaining games against AFC West rivals Kansas City (10-4) and Oakland (11-3), needing a pair of victories and some help to have a chance of sneaking into the playoffs as a wild-card team. And it underscored a chasm between the two units that dates back to last season, when the Broncos highlighted the adage Defense Wins Championships in one of its most extreme manifestations in recent memory.

The disparity was especially evident against the Patriots (12-2) on Sunday, which is why Okung -- despite essentially being shouted down by Ward, cornerback Chris Harris and some of the team's other defensive backs, who weren't interested in hearing the words of someone representing the underperforming offense -- expressed sympathy with their perspective as he left the locker room.

"I definitely understand their frustration," Okung told NFL.com. "They played well enough to win, and they held that team to 16 points, which a lot of teams don't do. We're an emotional team; that's what makes us so good. To me, that's part of who we are.

"When our defense is out there, they're an emotional group, and they hold themselves to a high standard. As an offense, we need to do the same. So, I think (their frustration) is warranted. We've got to be better."

The Broncos are running out of chances, at least for 2016. It is now glaringly apparent that the model which worked for them a year ago -- keep games close with a low-risk offense, rely on an aggressive defense to dominate and make game-turning plays -- isn't necessarily sustainable over the long haul.

To put it another way: When you hold one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time, who at 39 seems to be closing in on a third MVP award, to zero completions in the first quarter, you might want to see your offense put up more than a field goal in response.

"We are an emotional group," Ward told me after I shared the details of my conversation with Okung. 'That's why we play as well as we do. What happened wasn't even anything major -- just a little frustration. We're all trying to win."

Last year, the Broncos twice defeated the Patriots in Denver, pulling out a 30-24 victory in late November with Brock Osweiler at quarterback, and holding on for a 20-18 triumph in the AFC championship game following the unlikely return of fading legend Peyton Manning.

After Manning retired and Osweiler bolted in March, signing a four-year, $72-million free-agent deal with the Houston Texans (who, incidentally, benched him in the first half of Sunday's victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars), Denver general manager John Elway contemplated trading for disgruntled 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick before charting a more conservative course. Trevor Siemian, a seventh-round draft pick in 2015, ended up beating out veteran Mark Sanchez in a training-camp competition, with first-round rookie Paxton Lynch as the heir apparent.

During training camp, Elway told me he felt that despite the "emphasis that people put on quarterbacking, sometimes (it) is not the key thing. Obviously, if you look at the way we won the championship that year ... you don't necessarily need a Tom Brady to win a championship. It makes it a little easier for you cause you've got that guy you can build around, but by no means is it any guarantee."






Four months later, however, it sure seems like the 2015 Broncos were an anomaly, rather than the start of a new trend. As receiver Demaryius Thomas told me as he prepared to leave the locker room, "That's a one-year thing."

Though Siemian has shown flashes of promise, especially in the latter part of the season, Denver's lack of offensive punch was glaring on Sunday.

Siemian (25 of 40, 282 yards) made a massive mistake on the first play of the second quarter, with the score tied at 3, throwing a third-and-4 pass toward Emmanuel Sanders that Pats cornerback Logan Ryan jumped at his own 8-yard-line and returned 46 yards. That set up the afternoon's lone touchdown drive, on which the Denver defense forced a pair of fumbles --both recovered by the Patriots -- and still succumbed on LeGarrette Blount's one-yard blast up the middle.

The rest of the half unfolded with some disturbingly conservative decision-making by Kubiak, who passed up a 55-yard field goal attempt in high altitude to punt the ball back to New England with 5:15 remaining -- this from the same coach who had Brandon McManus attempt a 62-yarder late in an overtime defeat to the Chiefs three weeks ago. Then, after the Broncos forced a fourth down near midfield with 1:15 remaining and the clock running, Kubiak declined to use any of his three timeouts and killed the rest of the half on a handoff to halfback Justin Forsett.

"It's about being aggressive," Thomas said. "Especially in the situation we're in as a team -- we're on our last legs, so why not go after it?"

Thomas, to be fair, was merely answering a question, and he had plenty of criticism to go around, including a scathing critique of his own effort. "I could have made a big play on that one ball down the sideline," he said, referring to a long pass that seemed to be within his grasp with 4:44 left in the third quarter -- part of a frustrating streak of five consecutive three-and-outs to start the second half. "And that fourth-down pass (with 6:04 left in the game) that got knocked out of my hands? That's on me, too.

"I'm beating myself up, still. I could've made a play. I'm the captain of the offense. I put it on myself."

Like Okung, Thomas said he understood the postgame frustration of the Broncos' defensive backs, though he wasn't necessarily thrilled with the delivery.

"It's tough to see your blood brothers, guys you go to work with every day, get frustrated and air it out like that. You wish it wasn't that way. But being as great a defense as they are, I can see why they're frustrated. As an offensive player, you've gotta be frustrated, too -- but then, at a certain point, it's hard to be frustrated. ... You see the same thing for 14 weeks -- we move the ball, move the ball, then get in the red area and we just fold. At some point, you just throw up your hands."

Or, in the case of Ward and other Broncos defenders, you throw a mini-fit. Suffice it to say that Sunday's performance didn't fly with the No Fly Zone.

"We did dominate them," Ward said of the Patriots, "but when they don't have to pass, No Fly kinda gets eradicated, so we've got to try to make plays in other areas ... strip the ball, whatever. But it's tough when they don't have to pass the ball.

"You've got to be in a position to make plays, but teams don't even have to throw the ball on us. If they're not in a position to throw, it's hard to get an interception. And even when they run, their running backs have two hands on the ball, so it's hard to make plays (against) the run."

Harris echoed Ward's sentiments, saying, "Any time we hold Brady to 16 points, we expect to win. Even last year, we never held him to 16. And he didn't complete any passes in the first quarter. We have to do better."

Added cornerback Kayvon Webster: "I can't believe that s---. We held Brady to 16 and still lose? Has that ever happened?

"We've got a big-time defense. We always make plays. But if we can't get in position to make 'em, how are we gonna win? I mean, our options were limited today. It was crazy. We can't get five three-and-outs in a row (on offense). We just can't do that."

So yes, Okung's desire to speak served as a convenient catalyst for Ward and others Broncos defenders to voice their frustration. At least one Broncos offensive player bristled at the incident, telling me, "If those guys are so upset, they should be looking at themselves ... do more. Work harder. Do extra. Find a way to make those plays. 'Cause trust me, nobody on offense is happy about all this."

Thomas, for one, isn't inclined to conceal his unhappiness. He voiced his frustrations with the team's offensive approach when I spoke to him three months ago, and he picked up right where he left off after Sunday's game.

"Early in the season, my frustrations were with my offensive guys, because we weren't putting up points," Thomas said. "And every time someone mentioned the Broncos, it was, 'They've got a great defense, but the offense isn't pulling its weight.' That gets old. I'm sick of hearing that. I'm still hearing that. We need to find a way to do better."

The Broncos, who were mathematically eliminated from division-title contention, are obviously running out of chances. They currently trail Kansas City and Miami (9-5) in the wild-card race and are tied with Baltimore (8-6) and Tennessee (8-6), the team that defeated them last Sunday. Obviously, they need to win a pair of games (against opponents to whom they've previously lost this season), and they'll also need some help.

"We need a crazy scenario to go on," cornerback Aqib Talib said. "But we did (crazy things) last year. We'll see what the football gods give us."

Said Ward: "You can say we need help. We need to help ourselves, by winning. Cause all the help in the world ain't gonna matter if we don’t help ourselves."

On Sunday, the Broncos couldn't help airing out their frustrations. Whether it bonds them closer together or tears them further apart remains to be seen.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...frustrations-boil-over-after-loss-to-patriots
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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The loyalty to Norwood makes me fucking sick.

Why did this team stop using the no-huddle?

Why did this team stop running the ball with Forsett?

Why can't our receivers catch the ball?

I heard the Patriots went to a three man rush for most of the game and the offensive line still couldn't block them
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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Even,though the defense couldn't stop the run to save their lives this season and had to deal with Kubiak's stupidity I give them major props for keep us close in most of our games...
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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http://www.denverbroncos.com/multim...all-team/335a7609-04e7-455d-afdc-bf714a6f6b8c



Look at this fucking coach,he just lost by 23 points and think everything is all good.....And,then he says the team hasn't play good for 4 or 5 weeks

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woodchuck

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To put it another way: When you hold one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time, who at 39 seems to be closing in on a third MVP award, to zero completions in the first quarter, you might want to see your offense put up more than a field goal in response.
With what? What did they have that was going to do that?! That O-line should be called the Matadors! Shit, that Denver game got Vic Beasley to the Pro Bowl! Quit telling your fans that you need to do better, when you don't have the tools to do so!
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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With what? What did they have that was going to do that?! That O-line should be called the Matadors! Shit, that Denver game got Vic Beasley to the Pro Bowl! Quit telling your fans that you need to do better, when you don't have the tools to do so!


When we played the Patriots last week,they went with the no-huddle for in the first quarter and when the second quarter hit,they stop doing the no-huddle and abandoned the run.

Mind you,the game was 3-3 at the end of the first quarter and somehow Kubiak stopped doing the no-huddle that was working and went with a more controlled offense,for the rest of the game...

Every time,the Broncos played a team that couldn't stop the run or pass,Kubiak did the total opposite on offense.Kubiak made the Falcons defense look like they're the 85 Bears in that game earlier in the year.
 

woodchuck

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When we played the Patriots last week,they went with the no-huddle for in the first quarter and when the second quarter hit,they stop doing the no-huddle and abandoned the run.

Mind you,the game was 3-3 at the end of the first quarter and somehow Kubiak stopped doing the no-huddle that was working and went with a more controlled offense,for the rest of the game...

Every time,the Broncos played a team that couldn't stop the run or pass,Kubiak did the total opposite on offense.Kubiak made the Falcons defense look like they're the 85 Bears in that game earlier in the year.

Shit, it sounds like Kubiak was y'all's Mike Smith! That's the shit he did.
 

M.H.C.

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With what? What did they have that was going to do that?! That O-line should be called the Matadors! Shit, that Denver game got Vic Beasley to the Pro Bowl! Quit telling your fans that you need to do better, when you don't have the tools to do so!

Offense could have done better. There is no doubting that. More screens, passes to the flats and outside runs. Run more plays out of the shotgun for one. Kubiak doesn't care what you're actually good at. Kubiak wants his QB under center and running bootlegs. He wants it done his way. He damn near handicapped Manning last year with that shit. Manning wasn't happy with Kubiak's offense. The offense could've done better...........with a different coach.
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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Shit, it sounds like Kubiak was y'all's Mike Smith! That's the shit he did.

This is why I didn't want Kubiak as the coach,because I've seen a few Texans games and I saw how shitty his coaching was.....
Offense could have done better. There is no doubting that. More screens, passes to the flats and outside runs. Run more plays out of the shotgun for one. Kubiak doesn't care what you're actually good at. Kubiak wants his QB under center and running bootlegs. He wants it done his way. He damn near handicapped Manning last year with that shit. Manning wasn't happy with Kubiak's offense. The offense could've done better...........with a different coach.


The best way to stop any pass rush is to do screens and etc,but somehow Kubiak doesn't believe in it

It makes you wonder,how bad it was between Kubiak and Manning last season.
 

Mastermind2002

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Hopefully Wade doesn't retire and stays on as Defensive coordinator. I would like for Elway to bring in Kyle Shanahan as coach. A young mind with creative ideas.
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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Hopefully Wade doesn't retire and stays on as Defensive coordinator. I would like for Elway to bring in Kyle Shanahan as coach. A young mind with creative ideas.
I've been reading that Wade is thinking about retiring,hell he's not even under contract no more..

I hope,Elway resigns Wade.

But,yeah Kyle Shanahan is an obvious choice,unless he rather stay in Atlanta something I would never understand...
 

M.H.C.

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I just want a coach who coaches to their personnel. I mean isn't that the point of coaching? Get the best out of who you have? Game plan around your teams strengths and weaknesses? Get your health Kub and thanks for the Super Bowl but I hope the next guy can do better.
 

ansatsusha_gouki

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I just want a coach who coaches to their personnel. I mean isn't that the point of coaching? Get the best out of who you have? Game plan around your teams strengths and weaknesses? Get your health Kub and thanks for the Super Bowl but I hope the next guy can do better.


I hope the new coach keeps Wade as the defensive coordinator,but you're right I hope the new coach can gameplan well,especially against top tier AFC teams...
 
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