how about when one on one Zoom straight molly whopped him for all of the world to see though?
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how about when one on one Zoom straight molly whopped him for all of the world to see though?
It's a comic book show man.... And right now it's the only comicbook show that is actually trying to act like its a comicbook. I love it.
I completely agree with you there.
That was well before he was given full access to the speed force. He only got that access within the last 2 episodes
So as for Flash he gets both his parents back. Does that make things different with Iris feeling for him & Joe as a father figure?
Do they get Earth 1 Wells back since Flash stopped the Reverse Flash years ago?
Barry never wen't to Laurel's funeral so she's still alive?
A lot of things they can do with a rewritten time line. Looks like Oliver exposes his identity in the season finale preview. If so that gets undone and hopefully he gets control of his company once again. Turn Felicity back into a likable character. Is everything from up to the point that Barry got his powers up for grabs as being rewritten. Brushing the last two seasons of Arrow under the rug.
Do they get Earth 1 Wells back since Flash stopped the Reverse Flash years ago?
Barry never wen't to Laurel's funeral so she's still alive?
A lot of things they can do with a rewritten time line. Looks like Oliver exposes his identity in the season finale preview. If so that gets undone and hopefully he gets control of his company once again. Turn Felicity back into a likable character. Is everything from up to the point that Barry got his powers up for grabs as being rewritten. Brushing the last two seasons of Arrow under the rug.
Ok..shit! I thought it was just me! The ratings must have been through the roof and fucked shit up!
You know you can watch it on The CW web site. There's commercials but you get to watch it. My dvr cut off early and missed about the last 40 seconds or so.
Mine didn't either.
You can watch the last 3 episodes on the CW website
Adblock will block all those ads
I actually ripped it from couchtuner to bring to work and watch....slam got it up in movie/tv section now too
I was about to agree with you kinda in the sense that zoom did want to race, not fight! I still expected a more exciting season ending not just what we can anticipate in future shows...so I was let down too.
If you want to support the show its best to watch it from the website though
Ok well they must not be explaining the speed force properly because the whole "full access" to the speed force doesnt add up. Here is what I got:
Zoom was fast like the flash but got as fast as he got "naturally", he then used the Velocity serum to enhance his speed which made him faster and turned his lightening "Blue" which is an indication that you are so fast with the speed force to the point that if you go faster you will disappear into the speed force like Trajectory did when she took the Velocity formula and OD'ed.
Zoom then takes Barrys literally speed force and injects it into himself to both make him faster and counteract the side effects of the Velocity formula.
Barry on the other hand got as fast as he could naturally and then used the tachyon device to further enhance his speed...in which he was seemingly faster than Zoom but his lightening never changed. So then he went into the speed force and was "reborn" but only to the point of being clear of the guilt over his mom, but not that much faster...again lightening still yellow.
So from what Im seeing he never gained "full access" to the speed force just got over a mental block that made him somewhat overconfident but not much faster. In the end he didnt actually get over the mental block and thats why he went back to fix things.
I think the writers were making this shit up as they went as opposed to planning it from the beginning. There are too many holes in the story that even when they try to explain that Zoom can travel to other dimensions and other earths that it still doesnt make sense and that is also an indication that Barry was not faster than Zoom because Barry can only travel through time but not dimensions and earths. Also they never explained this "Darkness" that Zoom can harness and turn his eyes black. They made Zoom super weak when he was supposed to be at his strongest/fastest having Barry's speed plus his own...smh I think this finale was total last minute to try and accommodate Supergirl coming over, I'd love to see the actual finale!
The Flash’s Wonderful Fake Science Was Its Greatest Strength This Season
By Abraham RiesmanFollow @abrahamjosephShare3Tweet0Share0Email
Historically, of all the top-tier superheroes in the DC Comics pantheon, the Flash is the one most closely tied to science. Well, okay, “science” with heavy quotation marks around it: in comic-book lore, ordinary dude Barry Allen got his speed powers after being drenched in electrically charged chemicals — an explanation that’s a long bus-ride away from serious physics. Nevertheless, unlike fellow DC superhumans such as Superman (an alien who looks just like a human and can fly for unspecified reasons) or Wonder Woman (a quasi-god from a hidden island of undying warrior women), his origins at least take a stab at rational explanation.
As such, the Flash archetype represents a kind of universal fantasy about science: that the natural world is far less mundane than it might seem, and the right combination of research and chance can unlock wonders. Throughout the character’s many decades of existence, his stories have drawn upon quasi-scientific notions — time travel, parallel universes, power-unleashing equations — far more often than those of his peers. Thankfully, the CW’s televised interpretation of the Flash mythos, The Flash, has followed suit, especially in its just-concluded second season. Indeed, the show’s slinging of pseudoscience is its finest narrative trait, and one it could stand to exploit more often.
I’m not really talking about the hand-wave-y technobabble dialogue that gets spewed in virtually every episode, usually by the show’s pair of go-tos for such things, Carlos Valdes’s Cisco and Tom Cavanagh’s Harry. The Flash’s more interesting deployments of pseudoscience are the ones with thematic weight and/or high-concept inventiveness. The most notable development in this second season was the introduction of Earth-2, an alternate version of Barry’s Earth located in a parallel universe. The near-apocalyptic climax of season one led to the weakening of the border between these two dimensions, and this season saw the introduction of an array of Earth-2 characters on good ol’ Earth-1. But more importantly, we got occasional narrative expeditions into Earth-2 itself.
Once we got there, inventive sci-fi tidbits greeted us. This was no mere mirror image of the world we’d been watching: It was different in curious, visually rich ways. On Earth-2, Art Deco never went out of style, leading to grand CGI backdrops comprised of bold, rounded, almost Fritz Langian structures. A conflict called the “War of the Americas” was mentioned but, enticingly, never explained. There were doppelgänger versions of every character, all with jobs and looks that differed wildly from the versions we were used to. For some reason, TV and computer screens are cast in portrait (rather than landscape) orientation on Earth-2. It was all just reasonable enough to not feel silly, but just odd enough to evoke an air of calm, dreamlike wonder that one rarely gets in superhero shows.
The Earth-2 story line also tapped into what has long been the core pleasure of the parallel universe as a sci-fi conceit. At their best, journeys to alternate realities are fantasies of a very specific sort: They fulfill our wishes to learn what is essential about ourselves and what is changeable about ourselves. For example, brave Barry learns that his Earth-2 counterpart is a weak-willed poindexter, which demonstrates that he has to stay strong and focused on crime-fighting, lest he melt into a whiny puddle. At the same time, he learns that his counterpart is married to longtime romantic interest Iris (Candice Patton) — evidence that their love would exist even if the rest of the world turned upside-down.
The world didn’t just turn upside-down this season — it also spun backward, in a way. The notion of running so fast you travel back in time was a story element introduced in season one, but season two deployed it in new and compelling ways. Most notably, the show drew heavily upon the concept of “time remnants” — doubles of oneself that you can find while time-traveling (to be honest, I didn’t entirely follow the mechanics of how that worked, but I don’t think there’s going to be a final exam). The sides of good and evil both used time remnants, and, in both cases, these doubles were brought to the present as parts of schemes whereby they would sacrifice themselves for a greater cause. This allowed for unique moments of terror and sadness, wherein characters had to watch identical versions of themselves willingly die right before their eyes.
But the most emotionally gripping use of pseudoscience came near the end of the season, in the Kevin Smith–directed episode “The Runaway Dinosaur.” During a risky experiment, Barry disappears and finds himself in a surreal environment that looks a lot like his childhood home. There, he learns that he’s entered the so-called Speed Force, the energy source from which all speedsters get their speediness. The Force adopts the forms of his loved ones and speaks to him about reality, destiny, and his own neuroses. It was The Flash’s own version of the famed Sopranos two-parter where the dying Tony dreams of being in an otherworldly hotel, orlast year’s Leftovers episode in which Kevin does the same.
Much was made of the heartstring-tugging moment in that episode when the Speed Force takes the form of Barry’s long-dead mother and allows him to have some time with her. But for my money, the more exhilarating moments came when he spoke to the Speed Force about the hidden order of the cosmos. “When the first subatomic particle sprang forth from the Big Bang to form reality as you know it, we were there,” the Force says while in the smiling, soothing form of his adopted dad, Joe (Jesse L. Martin). “When the last proton decays, stops vibrating, and plunges the universe into heat death, we’ll be there, too." A living manifestation of a (fake) natural force was telling our hero that everything is under control, everything can be explained, and everything is going to be okay. Of course,real science is more likely to give you confusing findings about quantum uncertainty or gloomy predictions about climate change — but The Flashtaps into a child’s optimistic fantasy of science.
This kind of stuff just doesn’t show up in other superhero shows. Marvel’s output on ABC and Netflix is filled with fistfights, espionage, and/or ninjas. The CW’s other DC-based shows don’t satisfyingly explore pseudoscience, either: Arrow is all about swashbuckling and terrorism,Supergirl throws aliens at us but lacks any big ideas about them, andLegends of Tomorrow uses time travel basically as a way to change set dressings every few episodes. The Flash stands alone in this regard. Given that fact, it would be wonderful to see the show’s creators double down on pseudoscience next season. Perhaps we can spend less time on monster-of-the-week villains and more time on esoteric concepts and alternate worlds. Hey, maybe we can even spend less time on the show’s dull love-story plots! Just kidding; I’m basically the only person who watches this show and doesn’t enjoy that stuff. They’d be idiots to cater to down-with-love curmudgeons like myself.
I’m cautiously optimistic about next season because it seems the show’s creative team has recognized there’s gold in the Flash’s sci-fi hills. Hopefully, they’ll mine even deeper. After all, that kind of conceptual inventiveness has been Barry Allen’s mythological strong point, going all the way back to his creation at the hands of Robert Kanigher in 1956. No other top-line DC hero can boast that pedigree. As the Speed Force tells Barry in “The Runaway Dinosaur”: “We pretty much invented trippy here.”
By Abraham RiesmanFollow @abrahamjosephShare3Tweet0Share0Email
Historically, of all the top-tier superheroes in the DC Comics pantheon, the Flash is the one most closely tied to science. Well, okay, “science” with heavy quotation marks around it: in comic-book lore, ordinary dude Barry Allen got his speed powers after being drenched in electrically charged chemicals — an explanation that’s a long bus-ride away from serious physics. Nevertheless, unlike fellow DC superhumans such as Superman (an alien who looks just like a human and can fly for unspecified reasons) or Wonder Woman (a quasi-god from a hidden island of undying warrior women), his origins at least take a stab at rational explanation.
As such, the Flash archetype represents a kind of universal fantasy about science: that the natural world is far less mundane than it might seem, and the right combination of research and chance can unlock wonders. Throughout the character’s many decades of existence, his stories have drawn upon quasi-scientific notions — time travel, parallel universes, power-unleashing equations — far more often than those of his peers. Thankfully, the CW’s televised interpretation of the Flash mythos, The Flash, has followed suit, especially in its just-concluded second season. Indeed, the show’s slinging of pseudoscience is its finest narrative trait, and one it could stand to exploit more often.
I’m not really talking about the hand-wave-y technobabble dialogue that gets spewed in virtually every episode, usually by the show’s pair of go-tos for such things, Carlos Valdes’s Cisco and Tom Cavanagh’s Harry. The Flash’s more interesting deployments of pseudoscience are the ones with thematic weight and/or high-concept inventiveness. The most notable development in this second season was the introduction of Earth-2, an alternate version of Barry’s Earth located in a parallel universe. The near-apocalyptic climax of season one led to the weakening of the border between these two dimensions, and this season saw the introduction of an array of Earth-2 characters on good ol’ Earth-1. But more importantly, we got occasional narrative expeditions into Earth-2 itself.
Once we got there, inventive sci-fi tidbits greeted us. This was no mere mirror image of the world we’d been watching: It was different in curious, visually rich ways. On Earth-2, Art Deco never went out of style, leading to grand CGI backdrops comprised of bold, rounded, almost Fritz Langian structures. A conflict called the “War of the Americas” was mentioned but, enticingly, never explained. There were doppelgänger versions of every character, all with jobs and looks that differed wildly from the versions we were used to. For some reason, TV and computer screens are cast in portrait (rather than landscape) orientation on Earth-2. It was all just reasonable enough to not feel silly, but just odd enough to evoke an air of calm, dreamlike wonder that one rarely gets in superhero shows.
The Earth-2 story line also tapped into what has long been the core pleasure of the parallel universe as a sci-fi conceit. At their best, journeys to alternate realities are fantasies of a very specific sort: They fulfill our wishes to learn what is essential about ourselves and what is changeable about ourselves. For example, brave Barry learns that his Earth-2 counterpart is a weak-willed poindexter, which demonstrates that he has to stay strong and focused on crime-fighting, lest he melt into a whiny puddle. At the same time, he learns that his counterpart is married to longtime romantic interest Iris (Candice Patton) — evidence that their love would exist even if the rest of the world turned upside-down.
The world didn’t just turn upside-down this season — it also spun backward, in a way. The notion of running so fast you travel back in time was a story element introduced in season one, but season two deployed it in new and compelling ways. Most notably, the show drew heavily upon the concept of “time remnants” — doubles of oneself that you can find while time-traveling (to be honest, I didn’t entirely follow the mechanics of how that worked, but I don’t think there’s going to be a final exam). The sides of good and evil both used time remnants, and, in both cases, these doubles were brought to the present as parts of schemes whereby they would sacrifice themselves for a greater cause. This allowed for unique moments of terror and sadness, wherein characters had to watch identical versions of themselves willingly die right before their eyes.
But the most emotionally gripping use of pseudoscience came near the end of the season, in the Kevin Smith–directed episode “The Runaway Dinosaur.” During a risky experiment, Barry disappears and finds himself in a surreal environment that looks a lot like his childhood home. There, he learns that he’s entered the so-called Speed Force, the energy source from which all speedsters get their speediness. The Force adopts the forms of his loved ones and speaks to him about reality, destiny, and his own neuroses. It was The Flash’s own version of the famed Sopranos two-parter where the dying Tony dreams of being in an otherworldly hotel, orlast year’s Leftovers episode in which Kevin does the same.
Much was made of the heartstring-tugging moment in that episode when the Speed Force takes the form of Barry’s long-dead mother and allows him to have some time with her. But for my money, the more exhilarating moments came when he spoke to the Speed Force about the hidden order of the cosmos. “When the first subatomic particle sprang forth from the Big Bang to form reality as you know it, we were there,” the Force says while in the smiling, soothing form of his adopted dad, Joe (Jesse L. Martin). “When the last proton decays, stops vibrating, and plunges the universe into heat death, we’ll be there, too." A living manifestation of a (fake) natural force was telling our hero that everything is under control, everything can be explained, and everything is going to be okay. Of course,real science is more likely to give you confusing findings about quantum uncertainty or gloomy predictions about climate change — but The Flashtaps into a child’s optimistic fantasy of science.
This kind of stuff just doesn’t show up in other superhero shows. Marvel’s output on ABC and Netflix is filled with fistfights, espionage, and/or ninjas. The CW’s other DC-based shows don’t satisfyingly explore pseudoscience, either: Arrow is all about swashbuckling and terrorism,Supergirl throws aliens at us but lacks any big ideas about them, andLegends of Tomorrow uses time travel basically as a way to change set dressings every few episodes. The Flash stands alone in this regard. Given that fact, it would be wonderful to see the show’s creators double down on pseudoscience next season. Perhaps we can spend less time on monster-of-the-week villains and more time on esoteric concepts and alternate worlds. Hey, maybe we can even spend less time on the show’s dull love-story plots! Just kidding; I’m basically the only person who watches this show and doesn’t enjoy that stuff. They’d be idiots to cater to down-with-love curmudgeons like myself.
I’m cautiously optimistic about next season because it seems the show’s creative team has recognized there’s gold in the Flash’s sci-fi hills. Hopefully, they’ll mine even deeper. After all, that kind of conceptual inventiveness has been Barry Allen’s mythological strong point, going all the way back to his creation at the hands of Robert Kanigher in 1956. No other top-line DC hero can boast that pedigree. As the Speed Force tells Barry in “The Runaway Dinosaur”: “We pretty much invented trippy here.”
Needed a portable copy for laptop. ..can't stream from work tho...
Don't get it twisted,I seriously doubt the showrunners will reboot the series,but it would be a great idea if they did....All three shows need it,especially Legends of Tomorrow
Actually,the Flash changed the timeline twice already,the first time he went back in time in the Arrow/Flash crossover earlier in the season and changed the events and he changed the timeline again,when he had to go back in time to get Eobard Thawne's help.
DC need to do a Flash/Arrow/Supergirl/ Legends of Tomorrow fight club....the first one was great
So Flashpoint Paradox will be the story line next session?
It looks like it
Dude you know damn well DC ain't doing something that brillant...I'll post the links later
Hope they do it right across All shows. I wanted to get into arrow but I kept hearing how it's fallen off this season.
Actually no on the parents thing... if they go full flashpoint.... One is not going to make it.
At least we know that this isn't the real end of Zoom. He will be back. Black Flash fucking lives... I'm excited.
yeah DC doesn't get it... I'm not even looking forward to the flash movie, because Grant Gustin is pretty much made to be the flash.
DC Movies should have made their flash Wally West and end the comparison. By the time the movie comes out, Grant will have played dude for like 6 seasons. It is going to be tough to not have him on the big screen.
Seriously dude...you could consult a studio.
Of course they going with the whole alt-universe thing..
Zoom attempted to be Emperor Palpatine "embrace the hate Flash"
Am I the only one that thinks of Tron light cycles when they race ?
Wally wants to rip a breach into Jessie
Flash just screwed up everything by saving his mom. Season 3 gonna be fun
Am I the only one that thinks of Tron light cycles when they race ?
Wally wants to rip a breach into Jessie
Flash just screwed up everything by saving his mom. Season 3 gonna be fun
Here is another reason for fun in season 3:
We get to see the REAL Harrison wells!!!
Think about it in season 1 it was reverse flash who killed the real HW trying to get back to his time.
Season 2 it was earth 2's HW.
With reverse flash out the way the real HW should be represented next season.
And what do ya'll think barry did with the body of reverse flash after he killed him?
i was underwhelmed with the iron mask reveal being jay garrick of earth 3
but im looking forward to flashpoint next season
but im looking forward to flashpoint next season
pretty cool season finale... i guess it going to be flashpoint with the next season of the flash!!..looking forward to it..
I really dont think it was supposed to be Barry Allen's "father" in the mask when it first started out - I think the writers changed it mid season but the death of henry Allen just the episode before makes the reveal very underwhelming because it added NOTHING to the story or anything to any of the characters.