The official ** KEVIN SAMUELS ** discussion thread

[TheFuser]

Truth be told all these dudes eat off incel dudes though, even in politics the dudes who make money have a larger crowd of incel dudes who got nothing but time and follow these dudes like crazy. I seriously get the point he's trying to do and I understand the coded "high value" man is just a way to attract attention but he don't have to disrespect people like that.

He be telling women they fat and all that or they too old, nigga... let people live they peace... I know dudes who married and love bigger women or older women, not every man is the same and desires the same thing. He's really on some clown shit but the message is marriage for blacks is better and I agree but let people live their life.

Women gonna check out eventually, he better save that bread and move onto his next hustle, he's gonna end up like Tom Leykis... just a memory for incels who invisible in the human eye.

Im definitely with you when it comes to letting people be. The sad part is, they're calling his ass up. He had a playbook, so if these calls aren't staged, they gotta be brand new listeners. He legit tells all women the same thing over and over. There's no need for advice from him. Just listen to the other 500 videos.

 

[respiration]

Kevin has found his niche and it has taken off like gangbusters. "High-Value Men," and now, "Modern Women."

I have my issues with his approach that I see as flaws, but that ain't keeping him from cashing in...just my own observations.

He has a high affinity for Asians. That's his default for beauty and femininity.

He rattles off the group list of women to hold black women up against in terms of respecting their men:
Asian women, who marry out the most while China has a huge shortage of females, Japanese men are herbivores, and Indians follow the caste system.
Arabic women largely aren't given a choice of stepping out due to cultural constraints.
Hispanic women, as though the "Spicy Latina" trope isn't a thing...Maria will cut a muhfucka up and Consuela will blow up like a food truck after she pops out a child or two.

But a Sista is supposed to look today like women of the 50s and 60s, not accounting for today's standard diet of overly processed bullshit. Can they counter that? Absolutely, but none of this happened in a vacuum but he treats it like it happened overnight.
His intended focus is on Black women, but he drags them as though other groups of women don't have their own flaws.

I don't like his use of the BMI to make his case. We're not built like Swedes and he wouldn't hold a Samoan to that standard, would he?

He is a part of the MRA/MGTOW/SYSBM sector which had their share of Right/Alt-Right CACs at the helm and his format still follows the same formula that they use.
Throw around some stats, outcomes, facts don't care about your feelings, and Black culture is problematic shit.

His tactic of "don't overtalk me," while never letting them fully finish a point only serves to keep them off-kilter and when one does slip a good point in, he moves the goal post repeatedly and overtalks them. Don't cut them off, even if they're only gonna hang themselves...I wanna hear what they're saying and what it is they're thinking.

I didn't think the Gender Wars would still be going on, but he's breathed new life into it. I got tired of listening to that shit a minute ago.
Minister Jap, Oshay, Cynthia G., Crystalin Carazin, Tommy, David Carroll, and all of that shit got old af.

As was noted above, it's entertaining...or at least it has been. I've just about had my fill of his 5 standard questions. It's just more of the same each show and it's only interesting to see females continue in their glutton for punishment or to be smacked in the face with a reality check.

Agreed.

 

[Shaka54]

Agreed.

Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about with him. He had an opportunity to teach or train this young lady but he failed to recognize it because his method is to keep the drama going. I don't know if he even continues to consider himself a consultant of any sort with what he's making off of YT these days. He didn't pitch his services to her as though he was still in the business like he has in the past.

So, her call was to talk about why Black women aren't smiling. She's not abrasive or combative in any way. She mentions problems, mental health issues and trauma.
You can already read his body language before he interrupts her point and asks her age and tells her to seek help because the world doesn't owe her understanding and we don't have to suffer her.

He then becomes combative himself on the subject of seeking mental health treatment and brings up the church. Instead of listening to her response, he shut it down and threw around rates of obesity among Black women and victim status.

When she retorts with the body type that Black men are attracted to, he shifts to personal accountability without listening fully to anything she has to say.

Our grandparents and parents lived in different times with different challenges that they have today...why make that comparison if not to keep moving the goal post.

He steered the one-sided conversation until he found a soundbite (independent women)[edit: she said now that WE are free and independent] that he liked and proceeded to terminate the call and make a dramatic video title.

This chick was not some hoodrat, weave-headed thot, but he treated her no different than one, essentially. I've seen him give pretty faces more leeway in the past.

This interaction was a failure on his part to IMPART some knowledge to her. All he sought to do was to cut her down at the knees for clicks, likes, views and donations.

He's not discerning between an enemy combatant and a civilian and SHE was a civilian.



Go watch Affion or anyone else who's doing parodies and satire and tell me this isn't what they are focused on as well.

 

[respiration]

Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about with him. He had an opportunity to teach or train this young lady but he failed to recognize it because his method is to keep the drama going. I don't know if he even continues to consider himself a consultant of any sort with what he's making off of YT these days. He didn't pitch his services to her as though he was still in the business like he has in the past.

So, her call was to talk about why Black women aren't smiling. She's not abrasive or combative in any way. She mentions problems, mental health issues and trauma.
You can already read his body language before he interrupts her point and asks her age and tells her to seek help because the world doesn't owe her understanding and we don't have to suffer her.

He then becomes combative himself on the subject of seeking mental health treatment and brings up the church. Instead of listening to her response, he shut it down and threw around retes of obesity among Black women and victim status.

When she retorts with the body type that Black men are attracted to, he shifts to personal accountability without listening fully to anything she has to say.

Our grandparents and parents lived in different times with different challenges that they have today...why make that comparison if not to keep moving the goal post.

He steered the one-sided conversation until he found a soundbite (independent women) that he liked and proceeded to terminate the call and make a dramatic video title.

This chick was not some hoodrat, weave-headed thot, but he treated her no different than one, essentially. I've seen him give pretty faces more leeway in the past.

This interaction was a failure on his part to IMPART some knowledge to her. All he sought to do was to cut her down at the knees for clicks, likes, views and donations.

He's not discerning between an enemy combatant and a civilian and SHE was a civilian.



Go watch Affion or anyone else who's doing parodies and satire and tell me this isn't what they are focused on as well.

Yeah. I want to start by saying that I've defended KS in the past by acknowledging the fact that the women who call his podcasts know how he has treated other women, therefore they are calling at their own risk. Some others might interpret that as them "getting what they ask for". In any case, their almost inevitable evisceration is voluntary. That's an undeniable truth.

That said, the more I see of Kevin Samuels, the more I view him as potentially having a deleterious effect upon the culture- particularly a segment of Black males and not caring about that because the way he does what he does is lucrative for him.

The space I don't want to find myself in is one that sees Black women as my enemies or as my intellectual subordinates. I don't want to view women as if their feelings don't really matter but mine absolutely do. I don't want to be one who refuses to ever see things through their eyes, but who fully expects them to always see things through mine. I don't want to feel like as a man I'm always right, because I'm not always right. Based upon the comments from his fans, I feel like he's encouraging that kind of mentality. He knows some things, but his truth is not absolute. It's his truth, the way he sees it. Nothing more.

I agree with you and the other brother who commented on his adhering to more European standards of beauty for women. Sure some of us do want women to be slim and fit. But BGOL? In spite of a few loud voices condemning big girls and any approaching bigness, the plus sized woman thread is one of the longest running and most commented on threads in this place. So clearly, on the whole, we like more meat on a woman's bones than white men like. Nature supports it. Our women are more curvy with larger rounder hips and behinds. White and Asian women on the whole don't carry weight well.

I tend to think in terms of archetypes- what does KS represent in the bigger picture? He's an intelligent brother. He's more intelligent than Tariq. But like Tariq, from time to time, he fudges and manufactures truth and rewrites history. In Kevin's case, he does so to support a notion of male superiority. Also, like Tariq, he appears to intentionally not debate women who are on his own intellectual level and who are skilled debaters. He's really not one. Talking loud, leveling personal insults, cutting people off, constantly interrupting and overtalking people does not = a good debater.

Yes, we do have it hard in this society and this world as Black men. Unquestionably. Our Black women also have it hard in this world. Some of our challenges are shared, some are unique to our genders. Black women's struggles deserve as much respect and consideration as ours. How can Black men and women learn and grow together if we're not willing to listen to, respect, empathize with and consider each other? At this stage of my life I find myself less interested at this point in being entertained by putdowns and "getting someone straight" than I am interested in dialogue that fosters mutual healing, growth and unity between Black men and women. I think that's the difference between being grown children and being grown adults.

 

[respiration]

Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about with him. He had an opportunity to teach or train this young lady but he failed to recognize it because his method is to keep the drama going. I don't know if he even continues to consider himself a consultant of any sort with what he's making off of YT these days. He didn't pitch his services to her as though he was still in the business like he has in the past.

So, her call was to talk about why Black women aren't smiling. She's not abrasive or combative in any way. She mentions problems, mental health issues and trauma.
You can already read his body language before he interrupts her point and asks her age and tells her to seek help because the world doesn't owe her understanding and we don't have to suffer her.

He then becomes combative himself on the subject of seeking mental health treatment and brings up the church. Instead of listening to her response, he shut it down and threw around retes of obesity among Black women and victim status.

When she retorts with the body type that Black men are attracted to, he shifts to personal accountability without listening fully to anything she has to say.

Our grandparents and parents lived in different times with different challenges that they have today...why make that comparison if not to keep moving the goal post.

He steered the one-sided conversation until he found a soundbite (independent women) that he liked and proceeded to terminate the call and make a dramatic video title.

This chick was not some hoodrat, weave-headed thot, but he treated her no different than one, essentially. I've seen him give pretty faces more leeway in the past.

This interaction was a failure on his part to IMPART some knowledge to her. All he sought to do was to cut her down at the knees for clicks, likes, views and donations.

He's not discerning between an enemy combatant and a civilian and SHE was a civilian.



Go watch Affion or anyone else who's doing parodies and satire and tell me this isn't what they are focused on as well.

That video was fucked up. She was an intelligent young sister who was making some valid points, but all he did was overtalk her and interrupt and insult her.

I've linked many people up with mental health therapy. More often than not the people I assisted had thought about getting help, but they thought it was something they couldn't afford. When I was younger, I thought like that myself. So again, Kevin draws a false narrative that assumes people automatically know that you can find help affordably and that many mental health professionals operate on a sliding scale. They don't. He was an asshole in that clip.

 

[Shaka54]

Yeah. I want to start by saying that I've defended KS in the past by acknowledging the fact that the women who call his podcasts know how he has treated other women, therefore they are calling at their own risk. Some others might interpret that as them "getting what they ask for". In any case, their almost inevitable evisceration is voluntary. That's an undeniable truth.

That said, the more I see of Kevin Samuels, the more I view him as potentially having a deleterious effect upon the culture- particularly a segment of Black males and not caring about that because the way he does what he does is lucrative for him.

The space I don't want to find myself in is one that sees Black women as my enemies or as my intellectual subordinates. I don't want to view women as if their feelings don't really matter but mine absolutely do. I don't want to be one who refuses to ever see things through their eyes, but who fully expects them to always see things through mine. I don't want to feel like as a man I'm always right, because I'm not always right. Based upon the comments from his fans, I feel like he's encouraging that kind of mentality. He knows some things, but his truth is not absolute. It's his truth, the way he sees it. Nothing more.

I agree with you and the other brother who commented on his adhering to more European standards of beauty for women. Sure some of us do want women to be slim and fit. But BGOL? In spite of a few loud voices condemning big girls and any approaching bigness, the plus sized woman thread is one of the longest running and most commented on threads in this place. So clearly, on the whole, we like more meat on a woman's bones than white men like. Nature supports it. Our women are more curvy with larger rounder hips and behinds. White and Asian women on the whole don't carry weight well.

I tend to think in terms of archetypes- what does KS represent in the bigger picture? He's an intelligent brother. He's more intelligent than Tariq. But like Tariq, from time to time, he fudges and manufactures truth and rewrites history. In Kevin's case, he does so to support a notion of male superiority. Also, like Tariq, he appears to intentionally not debate women who are on his own intellectual level and who are skilled debaters. He's really not one. Talking loud, leveling personal insults, cutting people off, constantly interrupting and overtalking people does not = a good debater.

Yes, we do have it hard in this society and this world as Black men. Unquestionably. Our Black women also have it hard in this world. Some of our challenges are shared, some are unique to our genders. Black women's struggles deserve as much respect and consideration as ours. How can Black men and women learn and grow together if we're not willing to listen to, respect, empathize with and consider each other? At this stage of my life I find myself less interested at this point in being entertained by putdowns and "getting someone straight" than I am interested in dialogue that fosters mutual healing, growth and unity between Black men and women. I think that's the difference between being grown children and being grown adults.

^^^^This

 

[Shaka54]

Damn, here's another fail on his part. My brother just came and asked me if I saw this one.

This chick has points that he can't contend with. She wasn't the run-of-the-mill chick that he's accustomed to taking a call from...out of the norm, and he ends the call.

She repeatedly asks for answers that he couldn't provide because he's not interested in trying to school her.

As I stated earlier, he's missing out on opportunities to make an impact and instead, seeks to further his own popularity and cash app agenda.

 

[Heavenlywings77]

Them hoes ain't going to ever get it especially when you got dudes still validating them and speaking on KS tone and delivery.

Family, it's always been 2 types of men. Us, and them. We know what a quality woman is vs a skank hoe.
They are under the false belief that 100% of women are infallible.
They enable them. We check that shit at the door.

 

[Tiger_Hood]

 

[4 Dimensional]

Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about with him. He had an opportunity to teach or train this young lady but he failed to recognize it because his method is to keep the drama going. I don't know if he even continues to consider himself a consultant of any sort with what he's making off of YT these days. He didn't pitch his services to her as though he was still in the business like he has in the past.

So, her call was to talk about why Black women aren't smiling. She's not abrasive or combative in any way. She mentions problems, mental health issues and trauma.
You can already read his body language before he interrupts her point and asks her age and tells her to seek help because the world doesn't owe her understanding and we don't have to suffer her.

He then becomes combative himself on the subject of seeking mental health treatment and brings up the church. Instead of listening to her response, he shut it down and threw around retes of obesity among Black women and victim status.

When she retorts with the body type that Black men are attracted to, he shifts to personal accountability without listening fully to anything she has to say.

Our grandparents and parents lived in different times with different challenges that they have today...why make that comparison if not to keep moving the goal post.

He steered the one-sided conversation until he found a soundbite (independent women) that he liked and proceeded to terminate the call and make a dramatic video title.

This chick was not some hoodrat, weave-headed thot, but he treated her no different than one, essentially. I've seen him give pretty faces more leeway in the past.

This interaction was a failure on his part to IMPART some knowledge to her. All he sought to do was to cut her down at the knees for clicks, likes, views and donations.

He's not discerning between an enemy combatant and a civilian and SHE was a civilian.



Go watch Affion or anyone else who's doing parodies and satire and tell me this isn't what they are focused on as well.

Yeah. I want to start by saying that I've defended KS in the past by acknowledging the fact that the women who call his podcasts know how he has treated other women, therefore they are calling at their own risk. Some others might interpret that as them "getting what they ask for". In any case, their almost inevitable evisceration is voluntary. That's an undeniable truth.

That said, the more I see of Kevin Samuels, the more I view him as potentially having a deleterious effect upon the culture- particularly a segment of Black males and not caring about that because the way he does what he does is lucrative for him.

The space I don't want to find myself in is one that sees Black women as my enemies or as my intellectual subordinates. I don't want to view women as if their feelings don't really matter but mine absolutely do. I don't want to be one who refuses to ever see things through their eyes, but who fully expects them to always see things through mine. I don't want to feel like as a man I'm always right, because I'm not always right. Based upon the comments from his fans, I feel like he's encouraging that kind of mentality. He knows some things, but his truth is not absolute. It's his truth, the way he sees it. Nothing more.

I agree with you and the other brother who commented on his adhering to more European standards of beauty for women. Sure some of us do want women to be slim and fit. But BGOL? In spite of a few loud voices condemning big girls and any approaching bigness, the plus sized woman thread is one of the longest running and most commented on threads in this place. So clearly, on the whole, we like more meat on a woman's bones than white men like. Nature supports it. Our women are more curvy with larger rounder hips and behinds. White and Asian women on the whole don't carry weight well.

I tend to think in terms of archetypes- what does KS represent in the bigger picture? He's an intelligent brother. He's more intelligent than Tariq. But like Tariq, from time to time, he fudges and manufactures truth and rewrites history. In Kevin's case, he does so to support a notion of male superiority. Also, like Tariq, he appears to intentionally not debate women who are on his own intellectual level and who are skilled debaters. He's really not one. Talking loud, leveling personal insults, cutting people off, constantly interrupting and overtalking people does not = a good debater.

Yes, we do have it hard in this society and this world as Black men. Unquestionably. Our Black women also have it hard in this world. Some of our challenges are shared, some are unique to our genders. Black women's struggles deserve as much respect and consideration as ours. How can Black men and women learn and grow together if we're not willing to listen to, respect, empathize with and consider each other? At this stage of my life I find myself less interested at this point in being entertained by putdowns and "getting someone straight" than I am interested in dialogue that fosters mutual healing, growth and unity between Black men and women. I think that's the difference between being grown children and being grown adults.

That video was fucked up. She was an intelligent young sister who was making some valid points, but all he did was overtalk her and interrupt and insult her.

I've linked many people up with mental health therapy. More often than not the people I assisted had thought about getting help, but they thought it was something they couldn't afford. When I was younger, I thought like that myself. So again, Kevin draws a false narrative that assumes people automatically know that you can find help affordably and that many mental health professionals operate on a sliding scale. They don't. He was an asshole in that clip.

Damn, I want to add my two cents because you kats made some great observations.

Mental health is not his wheel house whatsoever. He only has the ability to destroy, he doesn’t know how to rebuild. I have zero issue is making people be honest with themselves and to see reality. What I do have issue with is once you break that from someone, you then have to rebuild.

I have done some social test with my students where I broke them down on how they saw their life and reality. I wasn’t vicious or anything, it’s just the truth is scary for some women. I have made a few cry, but I had to rebuild because I took on that responsibility when I destroyed. I soon realized that rebuilding humans isn’t something I could do long term. It’s becomes therapy and I have a low tolerance after a while.

KS has developed an ego because he will rarely allow anyone that is equally or greater intellectually debate him. His ego will not allow him to be checked.

What’s even worse are the idiots that try and do what he does. It’s disgusting.

 

[Mad Genius]

Damn, here's another fail on his part. My brother just came and asked me if I saw this one.

This chick has points that he can't contend with. She wasn't the run-of-the-mill chick that he's accustomed to taking a call from...out of the norm, and he ends the call.

She repeatedly asks for answers that he couldn't provide because he's not interested in trying to school her.

As I stated earlier, he's missing out on opportunities to make an impact and instead, seeks to further his own popularity and cash app agenda.

What points did she make exactly? Because it seems KS had her figured out within the first 2 minutes. And she is literally the "run of the mill" east coast aggressive/masculine energy chick. And she wasn't anywhere near as smart as she thought she was. This chick took a dude's ring and accepted a marriage proposal from someone she admitted she had no intentions of marrying. None. She said she wasn't ready for marriage. Kevin didn't dog this girl out. He asked her a ton of effective, probing questions and got to the heart of the issue...her. She was backtracking on shit she said the more he probed. First she said her father gave dude her hand in marriage, then when the seat got hot she said her dad didn't like the guy. Kevin wasn't giving her an inch to maneuver. She is delusional like most of these women and on top of that, she was real cool on taking a ring and using a dude she had no intention to marry. That doesn't speak well of her character. And he was right about her masculine energy. And yes, he could have explained to her what the masculine energy was, but this is something he's talked about and called out in women in numerous videos. That's why he doesn't even bother to explain sometimes, especially to a girl who thinks she knows everything anyway. You can tell he was exasperated and just ended the call. Because even if he tried to explain, she would've disagreed and denied it, so what's the point? The audience already knows what he meant. It ain't his job to save know-it-alls. If she can't be pleasant and honest in her answers then she becomes content fodder.

 

[respiration]

Damn, I want to add my two cents because you kats made some great observations.

Mental health is not his wheel house whatsoever. He only has the ability to destroy, he doesn’t know how to rebuild. I have zero issue is making people be honest with themselves and to see reality. What I do have issue with is once you break that from someone, you then have to rebuild.

I have done some social test with my students where I broke them down on how they saw their life and reality. I wasn’t vicious or anything, it’s just the truth is scary for some women. I have made a few cry, but I had to rebuild because I took on that responsibility when I destroyed. I soon realized that rebuilding humans isn’t something I could do long term. It’s becomes therapy and I have a low tolerance after a while.

KS has developed an ego because he will rarely allow anyone that is equally or greater intellectually debate him. His ego will not allow him to be checked.

What’s even worse are the idiots that try and do what he does. It’s disgusting.

 

[BrownTurd]

Damn, here's another fail on his part. My brother just came and asked me if I saw this one.

This chick has points that he can't contend with. She wasn't the run-of-the-mill chick that he's accustomed to taking a call from...out of the norm, and he ends the call.

She repeatedly asks for answers that he couldn't provide because he's not interested in trying to school her.

As I stated earlier, he's missing out on opportunities to make an impact and instead, seeks to further his own popularity and cash app agenda.

To me he easily won this argument

 

[Shaka54]

Damn, I want to add my two cents because you kats made some great observations.

Mental health is not his wheel house whatsoever. He only has the ability to destroy, he doesn’t know how to rebuild. I have zero issue is making people be honest with themselves and to see reality. What I do have issue with is once you break that from someone, you then have to rebuild.

I have done some social test with my students where I broke them down on how they saw their life and reality. I wasn’t vicious or anything, it’s just the truth is scary for some women. I have made a few cry, but I had to rebuild because I took on that responsibility when I destroyed. I soon realized that rebuilding humans isn’t something I could do long term. It’s becomes therapy and I have a low tolerance after a while.

KS has developed an ego because he will rarely allow anyone that is equally or greater intellectually debate him. His ego will not allow him to be checked.

What’s even worse are the idiots that try and do what he does. It’s disgusting.

I reflect back on being an Instructor and Trainer in the Army. You get ALL types, from HS dropouts with GEDs to sharp as a tack College graduates all in one Platoon. I had to learn to recognize who was who and reach them on their particular levels.

You can see in their facial expressions when they start to check out because you aren't reaching them. In other words, Harlequin would be more easily entertained than the Joker would. You gotta be able to recognize that and be able to connect with both of them.

Kev is dealing with all of the Harlequins, but he won't even fuck with the Wild Cards at all.

Dealing with females was a whole different animal due to the power dynamic, no matter the rank either. To break that person down in order to build them back up is something else. Damn if that ain't a whole nother thread. I have a limited tolerance for it as well Bruh because of the commitment one feels.

I could go on but I'd stray far off topic.

 

[Shaka54]

What points did she make exactly? Because it seems KS had her figured out within the first 2 minutes. And she is literally the "run of the mill" east coast aggressive/masculine energy chick. And she wasn't anywhere near as smart as she thought she was. This chick took a dude's ring and accepted a marriage proposal from someone she admitted she had no intentions of marrying. None. She said she wasn't ready for marriage. Kevin didn't dog this girl out. He asked her a ton of effective, probing questions and got to the heart of the issue...her. She was backtracking on shit she said the more he probed. First she said her father gave dude her hand in marriage, then when the seat got hot she said her dad didn't like the guy. Kevin wasn't giving her an inch to maneuver. She is delusional like most of these women and on top of that, she was real cool on taking a ring and using a dude she had no intention to marry. That doesn't speak well of her character. And he was right about her masculine energy. And yes, he could have explained to her what the masculine energy was, but this is something he's talked about and called out in women in numerous videos. That's why he doesn't even bother to explain sometimes, especially to a girl who thinks she knows everything anyway. You can tell he was exasperated and just ended the call. Because even if he tried to explain, she would've disagreed and denied it, so what's the point? The audience already knows what he meant. It ain't his job to save know-it-alls. If she can't be pleasant and honest in her answers then she becomes content fodder.

So what was the takeaway lesson for her to go back and ponder from him? He's not imparting much of anything to change her ways. At 8:40 she asks specifically "what do you get from that?" as the conversation goes but he has nothing to offer her.

I must admit though, I was focused far more on him offering a solution than I was her particular attitude on this segment. Thank you for correcting the perspective about her approach as she was more aggressive than I was paying attention to.

I still think that he treated the other chick the same as her when it was completely unwarranted.

I selected a bad example of what I wanted to get across with this segment.

 

[ViCiouS]

Damn, here's another fail on his part. My brother just came and asked me if I saw this one.

This chick has points that he can't contend with. She wasn't the run-of-the-mill chick that he's accustomed to taking a call from...out of the norm, and he ends the call.

She repeatedly asks for answers that he couldn't provide because he's not interested in trying to school her.

As I stated earlier, he's missing out on opportunities to make an impact and instead, seeks to further his own popularity and cash app agenda.

she was not in a receptive frame... irl you end conversations with women like this quickly

also ks told her specifically why she was not
being receptive

 

[ViCiouS]

So what was the takeaway lesson for her to go back and ponder from him? He's not imparting much of anything to change her ways. At 8:40 she asks specifically "what do you get from that?" as the conversation goes but he has nothing to offer her.

 

[respiration]

What points did she make exactly? Because it seems KS had her figured out within the first 2 minutes. And she is literally the "run of the mill" east coast aggressive/masculine energy chick. And she wasn't anywhere near as smart as she thought she was. This chick took a dude's ring and accepted a marriage proposal from someone she admitted she had no intentions of marrying. None. She said she wasn't ready for marriage. Kevin didn't dog this girl out. He asked her a ton of effective, probing questions and got to the heart of the issue...her. She was backtracking on shit she said the more he probed. First she said her father gave dude her hand in marriage, then when the seat got hot she said her dad didn't like the guy. Kevin wasn't giving her an inch to maneuver. She is delusional like most of these women and on top of that, she was real cool on taking a ring and using a dude she had no intention to marry. That doesn't speak well of her character. And he was right about her masculine energy. And yes, he could have explained to her what the masculine energy was, but this is something he's talked about and called out in women in numerous videos. That's why he doesn't even bother to explain sometimes, especially to a girl who thinks she knows everything anyway. You can tell he was exasperated and just ended the call. Because even if he tried to explain, she would've disagreed and denied it, so what's the point? The audience already knows what he meant. It ain't his job to save know-it-alls. If she can't be pleasant and honest in her answers then she becomes content fodder.

So what was the takeaway lesson for her to go back and ponder from him? He's not imparting much of anything to change her ways. At 8:40 she asks specifically "what do you get from that?" as the conversation goes but he has nothing to offer her.

I must admit though, I was focused far more on him offering a solution than I was her particular attitude on this segment. Thank you for correcting the perspective about her approach as she was more aggressive than I was paying attention to.

I still think that he treated the other chick the same as her when it was completely unwarranted.

I selected a bad example of what I wanted to get across with this segment.

That girl was not at all aggressive, unless one accepts his extremely loose definition of aggressive. He asks questions. Then when the women try to answer him, he interrupts them, insults them or cuts them off. Any attempts to finish their point or address his insults are deemed "aggression" or "masculine". Ironic, as effeminate as he comes across. This shit is straight WWE. It's a performance he puts on to keep himself controversial enough to continue to profit financially.

Take it as that. To take it as anything deeper and look at him as some purveyor of sage wisdom isn't wise.

There's too many holes in his uniform. And as you said, @Shaka54 and you @4 Dimensional , he tears down but doesn't do so to build back up. A vague reference to "get counseling" is not building back up. It's leaving them to their own devices. How could it have been done better? Simply letting them know where to look for counseling and that they can get it affordably and what website(s) to visit. He could have sounded like he actually gave a fuck instead of just throwing it out there to dismiss and insult them. That can be done in a paragraph.

He spoke to this 21 year old woman and the young woman after her like they have years of experience and are supposed to know everything. That girl told him she accepted a proposal from her boyfriend when she was 18. She said wasn't ready but wanted to keep things going until she was. That's not a stupid thing for someone her age to do.

18 years old.

Are teenagers seasoned pros at life to know exactly the right moves to make? He acts like he thinks they are. Furthermore, he jumped on her for getting with a 21 year old manager at an Adidas store. The brotha was gainfully employed. Might he also have been taking classes? At 21, a young person's life is just beginning. Isn't Kevin the same dude who numerous times uplifted women who stayed with dudes who had potential before the guy actually had anything? He contradicted himself in that video.

 

[Pworld297]

@ his theme music... FUCKING HILARIOUS!

 

[Mad Genius]

So what was the takeaway lesson for her to go back and ponder from him? He's not imparting much of anything to change her ways. At 8:40 she asks specifically "what do you get from that?" as the conversation goes but he has nothing to offer her.

I must admit though, I was focused far more on him offering a solution than I was her particular attitude on this segment. Thank you for correcting the perspective about her approach as she was more aggressive than I was paying attention to.

I still think that he treated the other chick the same as her when it was completely unwarranted.

I selected a bad example of what I wanted to get across with this segment.

I get where you're coming from. But I don't think his point is to "fix" her so to speak. I think he is making a larger point about how girls are raised into these "modern" women that don't know what men what, how to satisfy us, or why their relationships continually fail while they blame Black men for why they do. With many of these women he's seeking to make a point about the overall state of Black women in the country. Sometimes he will give advice on how women can change their situations but often times he is using these calls to make a point. He's been pretty effective at doing that.

 

[Mad Genius]

That girl was not at all aggressive, unless one accepts his extremely loose definition of aggressive. He asks questions. Then when the women try to answer him, he interrupts them, insults them or cuts them off. Any attempts to finish their point or address his insults are deemed "aggression" or "masculine". Ironic, as effeminate as he comes across. This shit is straight WWE. It's a performance he puts on to keep himself controversial enough to continue to profit financially.

Take it as that. To take it as anything deeper and look at him as some purveyor of sage wisdom isn't wise.

There's too many holes in his uniform. And as you said, @Shaka54 and you @4 Dimensional , he tears down but doesn't do so to build back up. A vague reference to "get counseling" is not building back up. It's leaving them to their own devices. How could it have been done better? Simply letting them know where to look for counseling and that they can get it affordably and what website(s) to visit. He could have sounded like he actually gave a fuck instead of just throwing it out there to dismiss and insult them. That can be done in a paragraph.

He spoke to this 21 year old woman and the young woman after her like they have years of experience and are supposed to know everything. That girl told him she accepted a proposal from her boyfriend when she was 18. She said wasn't ready but wanted to keep things going until she was. That's not a stupid thing for someone her age to do.

18 years old.

Are teenagers seasoned pros at life to know exactly the right moves to make? He acts like he thinks they are. Furthermore, he jumped on her for getting with a 21 year old manager at an Adidas store. The brotha was gainfully employed. Might he also have been taking classes? At 21, a young person's life is just beginning. Isn't Kevin the same dude who numerous times uplifted women who stayed with dudes who had potential before the guy actually had anything? He contradicted himself in that video.

I think what some of you are missing is that Kevin is not trying to be Iyanla. He's not trying to "tear 'em down to fix 'em up". He's a highly paid image consultant who consults people on 1)getting ahead in corporate environments and 2) marriage with the goal of marrying a high value man. His goal is to make an overall point about how girls are raised into these "modern women" who are utterly clueless about what men want and what their value is to a man. He's been extremely effective and showing how delusional women are about their marriage prospects and why they will ultimately live their lives unmarried and alone. And he uses data and statistics to back up his points.

Admittedly, he doesn't show a lot of patience often times but again...he's not a therapist. So you can't expect him to act as such. So when the young lady was questioning what he was telling her and disagreeing (even though she was speaking calmly) he doesn't appreciate a woman so young and clearly immature having the audacity to question him as a professional. In terms of her choosing to get with an Adidas store manager, if I were her father I probably wouldn't be happy about that either (because she admitted her father wasn't). She was too young and clearly not ready for marriage and didn't have any plans to marry the guy anyway so it was inconsiderate and stupid to accept his proposal from the jump. If she is not ready for marriage, DON'T ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL. It's really that simple.

I'm not saying Kevin doesn't make mistakes with how he handles these calls. I've seen him misjudge and jump down their throat before realizing he was wrong and changing up his vibe mid call. But more often than not, he's gets it right IMO. He's proves daily that most of these women are delusional about dealing with men and about how they think about marriage and kids.

 

[Rudey]

Damn, here's another fail on his part. My brother just came and asked me if I saw this one.

This chick has points that he can't contend with. She wasn't the run-of-the-mill chick that he's accustomed to taking a call from...out of the norm, and he ends the call.

She repeatedly asks for answers that he couldn't provide because he's not interested in trying to school her.

As I stated earlier, he's missing out on opportunities to make an impact and instead, seeks to further his own popularity and cash app agenda.

KS to the last caller: "guess these nuts"

 

[Drayonis]

This nigga made me cut this shit off...







Oh shit go to the 1:56:40 mark

That Mexican broad is delusional

 

[Rudey]

I think what some of you are missing is that Kevin is not trying to be Iyanla. He's not trying to "tear 'em down to fix 'em up". He's a highly paid image consultant who consults people on 1)getting ahead in corporate environments and 2) marriage with the goal of marrying a high value man. His goal is to make an overall point about how girls are raised into these "modern women" who are utterly clueless about what men want and what their value is to a man. He's been extremely effective and showing how delusional women are about their marriage prospects and why they will ultimately live their lives unmarried and alone. And he uses data and statistics to back up his points.

Admittedly, he doesn't show a lot of patience often times but again...he's not a therapist. So you can't expect him to act as such. So when the young lady was questioning what he was telling her and disagreeing (even though she was speaking calmly) he doesn't appreciate a woman so young and clearly immature having the audacity to question him as a professional. In terms of her choosing to get with an Adidas store manager, if I were her father I probably wouldn't be happy about that either (because she admitted her father wasn't). She was too young and clearly not ready for marriage and didn't have any plans to marry the guy anyway so it was inconsiderate and stupid to accept his proposal from the jump. If she is not ready for marriage, DON'T ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL. It's really that simple.

I'm not saying Kevin doesn't make mistakes with how he handles these calls. I've seen him misjudge and jump down their throat before realizing he was wrong and changing up his vibe mid call. But more often than not, he's gets it right IMO. He's proves daily that most of these women are delusional about dealing with men and about how they think about marriage and kids.

Highly paid by who?

 

[Drayonis]

​

Wwoooooowwwwwwww

 

[jack walsh13]

This nigga made me cut this shit off...







Oh shit go to the 1:56:40 mark

I don't know why all these fat broads even bother coming on.

 

[respiration]

I think what some of you are missing is that Kevin is not trying to be Iyanla. He's not trying to "tear 'em down to fix 'em up". He's a highly paid image consultant who consults people on 1)getting ahead in corporate environments and 2) marriage with the goal of marrying a high value man. His goal is to make an overall point about how girls are raised into these "modern women" who are utterly clueless about what men want and what their value is to a man. He's been extremely effective and showing how delusional women are about their marriage prospects and why they will ultimately live their lives unmarried and alone. And he uses data and statistics to back up his points.

The part in bold is problematic because his base audience, brothas, are believing that. He "claims" data and statistics. Have you put them into a search engine or are you just taking his word for it? Kevin Samuels doesn't show anything about women as a whole. He has shown how women who call in his show respond to his questions and how he defines them based on the responses they give. His is not the only perspective and is not necessarily the best. There's parts that make sense and there's other parts that are bullshit, contradictory and hypocritical. Like you said, he's not Iyanla. He's no more a relationship expert than Steve Harvey. There lies the problem, that he has convinced you and other Black men that Black women are delusional. Feels like if you thought otherwise, you would have qualified your statement with "some Black women" or "a number of Black women". Every woman isn't looking for the exact same things out of men just as every man is not looking for the exact same things out of women.

Admittedly, he doesn't show a lot of patience often times but again...he's not a therapist. So you can't expect him to act as such. So when the young lady was questioning what he was telling her and disagreeing (even though she was speaking calmly) he doesn't appreciate a woman so young and clearly immature having the audacity to question him as a professional. In terms of her choosing to get with an Adidas store manager, if I were her father I probably wouldn't be happy about that either (because she admitted her father wasn't). She was too young and clearly not ready for marriage and didn't have any plans to marry the guy anyway so it was inconsiderate and stupid to accept his proposal from the jump. If she is not ready for marriage, DON'T ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL. It's really that simple.

Clearly he's not trying to "tear em down to fix 'em up". If that's the case, then all that leaves is that he's there to tear them down. This is because this dude really doesn't give a shit. He was mainly doing fragrance, eyeglasses and shoe reviews, dating advice etc. The only reason 90% of his videos are now about destroying what he perceives as delusion in women is because that one video of his went viral. Ever since then, this has been his schtick. Problem is it's one sided. It creates a narrative of Black women being delusional and dizzy, while not shining light on our dysfunction. Dudes claim that he gets at dudes too, but finding those videos focusing on brothas is like finding a needle in a haystack. As a result, many of the brothas who follow him are just getting off on seeing him get women told off. Makes them feel powerful. Like they're living there anger and hurt at women vicariously through him. He provides catharsis for weak, hurt dudes.

I'm not saying Kevin doesn't make mistakes with how he handles these calls. I've seen him misjudge and jump down their throat before realizing he was wrong and changing up his vibe mid call. But more often than not, he's gets it right IMO. He's proves daily that most of these women are delusional about dealing with men and about how they think about marriage and kids.

Yes, he misjudges because he uses the same cookie cutter on all women (except attractive celebrity ones whom he goes super-easy on). He looks for the opportunity to jump on them. Because... he really doesn't give much of a shit about them. His controversial style is his hustle. This shit is no more real than WWE is sports. Kevin does sports entertainment. It's all about him being outrageous to keep the buzz going about himself so he can collect that money. He just puts on a costume of being there to help. And again you said, "most of these women". He got you too.

 

[respiration]

Damn, I want to add my two cents because you kats made some great observations.

Mental health is not his wheel house whatsoever. He only has the ability to destroy, he doesn’t know how to rebuild. I have zero issue is making people be honest with themselves and to see reality. What I do have issue with is once you break that from someone, you then have to rebuild.

I have done some social test with my students where I broke them down on how they saw their life and reality. I wasn’t vicious or anything, it’s just the truth is scary for some women. I have made a few cry, but I had to rebuild because I took on that responsibility when I destroyed. I soon realized that rebuilding humans isn’t something I could do long term. It’s becomes therapy and I have a low tolerance after a while.

KS has developed an ego because he will rarely allow anyone that is equally or greater intellectually debate him. His ego will not allow him to be checked.

What’s even worse are the idiots that try and do what he does. It’s disgusting.

Every word in this post is gold. You excellently pointed out the difference between criticism and constructive critique.

 

[BrownTurd]

So what was the takeaway lesson for her to go back and ponder from him? He's not imparting much of anything to change her ways. At 8:40 she asks specifically "what do you get from that?" as the conversation goes but he has nothing to offer her.

I must admit though, I was focused far more on him offering a solution than I was her particular attitude on this segment. Thank you for correcting the perspective about her approach as she was more aggressive than I was paying attention to.

I still think that he treated the other chick the same as her when it was completely unwarranted.

I selected a bad example of what I wanted to get across with this segment.

That is not his lane. He has said many times that they seek professional counseling and he is not qualified to provide that

 

[Quek9]

Family, it's always been 2 types of men. Us, and them. We know what a quality woman is vs a skank hoe.
They are under the false belief that 100% of women are infallible.
They enable them. We check that shit at the door.

This. Even though it doesn't seem like it. Women are adults too, capable of making decisions and living with the consequences. I will say it again. We have an over saturation of skripper culture. As a man I love it but as a father and uncle not so much. The end results won't be good.

 

[Quek9]

If you see past our natural instinct to protect and look at these chicks as capable adults you will see KS is right 99% of the time. It is funny to me that these damsels in distress can smile be social and friendly at work but become horrible women when they cross the work threshold. I save my energy for those black women that deserve it. Fuck the rest.

 

[jack walsh13]

It's like the bitches keep getting bigger and bigger coming on playin' themselves.

 

[Quek9]

It's like the bitches keep getting bigger and bigger coming on playin' themselves.

Now this chick is sexy af

 

[Shaka54]

That is not his lane. He has said many times that they seek professional counseling and he is not qualified to provide that

But it's fast becoming merely a catchphrase, coming from him. He tosses it around before anyone can finish what they're saying. He uses it as a doorstop.

 

[Chiyo]

Some of his numbers are absurd.He told a young girl this week calling from LA that a man needs to be making 6-700k to take care of a family there and that is simply not true. He seems to greatly inflate the numbers to create a sense of urgency in women.

I understand trying to scare some women straight, but doing so with such inflated numbers is just enough to make someone roll their eyes.