This old school RAW needs Pacific Blue commercials.
or USA Up All Night..wouldve been funny if they aired that intro graphic before
Bad Boys II LOL
better still USA shouldve did like this the whole day leading up to Raw
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or USA Up All Night..wouldve been funny if they aired that intro graphic before
Bad Boys II LOL
better still USA shouldve did like this the whole day leading up to Raw
Too much coulda-shoulda-woulda. Crockett drew and grew in a time when the WWF was monster with Ric Flair on top. WWF drew and grew when they were getting their teeth kicked in by WCW with the nWo with Austin on top. Neither Michaels nor Hart (nor Diesel) were big draws as champs. Not that it was entirely their faults because it wasn't. The company has to share at least half the blame for the way they used them. But in the end, they didn't make money.
The argument about talent doesn't really hold up. Hart had great talent under him, as did Michaels. Hart had Michaels, Taker, the Steiners, Yokozuna, Luger, Hennig, Owen, Razor Ramon, Diesel and Goldust. Michaels had all those guys minus Luger and the Steiners but with Vader, Phil Lafon and Doug Furnas, the Road Warriors, Jeff Jarrett, Sid, and Ahmed Johnson. Throw in Roddy Piper and Jerry Lawler and they had the talent to make people want to see them.
Nah. How do you get fans to cheer for the son of "The Million Dollar Man" during a time of economic uncertainty?
This old school RAW needs Pacific Blue commercials.
Most Importantly.........They should Replay an Episode of Silk Stalkings or Le Femme Nakita after RAW
Jim Ross is back
God i wanted michael cole to shut the hell up when ross was talking, that was not the time to be in character but im sure vince told him to do it. All they showed was that ross is still the best commentator in wrestling history, and that cole is a gimmick joke whos 15 minutes are up
God i wanted michael cole to shut the hell up when ross was talking, that was not the time to be in character but im sure vince told him to do it. All they showed was that ross is still the best commentator in wrestling history, and that cole is a gimmick joke whos 15 minutes are up
Co fuckin sign. that's another reason RAW sucks is Cole's wack ass commentating. And i'mm glad JR smacked Cole upside his head with his Cowboy Hat lol
Matches for "50 Greatest" dvd, sounds good
NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
Lou Thesz vs Argentina Rocca
Buffalo, NY
NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
Jack Briscoe vs Dory Funk Jr.
Championship Wrestling from Florida
Women’s Championship Match
The Fabulous Moolah vs Susan Green
Madison Square Garden – June 16, 1975
Gorilla Monsoon vs Muhammad Ali
Philadelphia, PA – June 2, 1976
NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
Harley Race vs Terry Funk
Championship Wrestling from Florida – February 6, 1977
Boxing Match
Gorilla Monsoon vs Andre The Giant
Puerto Rico – September 23, 1977
WWE Championship Match
“Superstar” Billy Graham vs “The American Dream” Dusty Rhodes
Madison Square Garden – September 26, 1977
WWE Championship Match
The Iron Sheik vs Hulk Hogan
Madison Square Garden – December 28, 1984
Six Man Tag Team Elimination Match
Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat, Rowdy Roddy Piper & Junkyard Dog vs Randy “Macho Man” Savage, “The King” Harley Race & Adrian Adonis
Madison Square Garden – February 23, 1987
“Ravishing” Rick Rude vs Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat
Madison Square Garden – December 26, 1987
AWA Heavyweight Championship
Jerry “The King” Lawler vs “Mr. Perfect” Curt Hennig
AWA – August 13, 1988
No Disqualification Match
Jake “The Snake” Roberts vs “Million Dollar Man” Ted DiBiase
Madison Square Garden – December 28, 1989
WWE Championship Match
Ric Flair vs Bret “Hit Man” Hart
Saskatoon, CN – October 12, 1992
Empty Arena Match for the WWE Championship Match
The Rock vs Mankind
Halftime Heat – January 31, 1999
Fatal 4-Way Match for the WWE Championship
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs The Rock vs Undertaker vs Kurt Angle
Smackdown – December 7, 2000
Eight-Man Tag Team Match
Undertaker, Kane, Matt Hardy & Jeff Hardy vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, Edge & Christian
RAW – April 23, 2001
Edge & Triple H vs Kurt Angle & Chris Jericho
Smackdown – May 16, 2002
Eddie Guerrero vs Big Show
Smackdown – April 15, 2004
Triple Threat Match for the World Heavyweight Championship
Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio vs Randy Orton
WrestleMania 22 – April 2, 2006
John Cena & Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker & Batistia
No Way Out – February 18, 2007
World Heavyweight Championship Match
Edge vs Undertaker
WrestleMania XXIV – March 30, 2008
I wish they had a better Gorilla Monsoon match so I could see him closer to his prime.
NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
Lou Thesz vs Argentina Rocca
Buffalo, NY
NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
Jack Briscoe vs Dory Funk Jr.
Championship Wrestling from Florida
Women’s Championship Match
The Fabulous Moolah vs Susan Green
Madison Square Garden – June 16, 1975
Gorilla Monsoon vs Muhammad Ali
Philadelphia, PA – June 2, 1976
NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
Harley Race vs Terry Funk
Championship Wrestling from Florida – February 6, 1977
Boxing Match
Gorilla Monsoon vs Andre The Giant
Puerto Rico – September 23, 1977
WWE Championship Match
“Superstar” Billy Graham vs “The American Dream” Dusty Rhodes
Madison Square Garden – September 26, 1977
WWE Championship Match
The Iron Sheik vs Hulk Hogan
Madison Square Garden – December 28, 1984
Six Man Tag Team Elimination Match
Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat, Rowdy Roddy Piper & Junkyard Dog vs Randy “Macho Man” Savage, “The King” Harley Race & Adrian Adonis
Madison Square Garden – February 23, 1987
“Ravishing” Rick Rude vs Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat
Madison Square Garden – December 26, 1987
AWA Heavyweight Championship
Jerry “The King” Lawler vs “Mr. Perfect” Curt Hennig
AWA – August 13, 1988
No Disqualification Match
Jake “The Snake” Roberts vs “Million Dollar Man” Ted DiBiase
Madison Square Garden – December 28, 1989
WWE Championship Match
Ric Flair vs Bret “Hit Man” Hart
Saskatoon, CN – October 12, 1992
Empty Arena Match for the WWE Championship Match
The Rock vs Mankind
Halftime Heat – January 31, 1999
Fatal 4-Way Match for the WWE Championship
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs The Rock vs Undertaker vs Kurt Angle
Smackdown – December 7, 2000
Eight-Man Tag Team Match
Undertaker, Kane, Matt Hardy & Jeff Hardy vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, Edge & Christian
RAW – April 23, 2001
Edge & Triple H vs Kurt Angle & Chris Jericho
Smackdown – May 16, 2002
Eddie Guerrero vs Big Show
Smackdown – April 15, 2004
Triple Threat Match for the World Heavyweight Championship
Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio vs Randy Orton
WrestleMania 22 – April 2, 2006
John Cena & Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker & Batistia
No Way Out – February 18, 2007
World Heavyweight Championship Match
Edge vs Undertaker
WrestleMania XXIV – March 30, 2008
I wish they had a better Gorilla Monsoon match so I could see him closer to his prime.
Actually it's not too much coulda shoulda woulda. Vince Mcmahon took a big hit with that steroid and sex scandal in 1992 and 1993 during that trial especially with guys like Burno and Superstar Graham doing media rounds killing the company at the time. Why do you think Hogan went into "semi-retirement" at WM VIII? Why do you tink there was a movement to use fresh faces like HBK and Hart in the championship positions?
Why do you think Vince brought back Ultimate Warrior in 1996 when Hall and Nash were about to leave? The star power was not there. Ultimate Warrior and Vince admitted that the star power had dwindled, while wcw was stacking the star power. Why you think Vince was scared shitless and tried that propaganda "Huckster and Nacho Man" skits with "Billionaire Ted"?
The company wasn't growing and was losing money domestically in 1997 which is why they did a lot of shows outside of America in Canada and across seas. The Bret Hart screwjob has many layers pertaining to this which is why when wcw acquired him it was a huge deal.
WCW wanted to expand to those regions and Bret felt the screwjob was done to damage future business for him(I have my own opinion on that whole thing which is another topic).
Why is it that when Nash and Hall went to wcw they became BIGGER because of the better storyline and the depth of talent they were interacting with?
The same thing when the wwf in 1998-2000 started to pad the talent roster with guys like Jericho, Angle, Big Show, Benoit, etc the business grew.
The guys you named under Bret in 1993 were not going to draw the way they were presented because Vince was still pushing cartoon characters like The Goon and Duke The Dumpster which turned people off imo.
Crockett always had talent, but didn't know how to market like Vince. If they were growing so well why did he end up selling it to Ted Turner to keep it afloat? Now in your argument it means there should be no excuse for Flair as he draw that well as WWF Champion either, but again I think Flair was passed his prime at the time AND the negativity around the business.
Let me put it in another way. Hogan did not draw as much in wcw as he did while he was in the nWo because of the presentation. I truly think the presentation was played out in 1992-1994. Bischoff deserves credit for kicking Vince's ass into high gear to change the product in March 1997(the time-frame RAW changed to a 2 hour format that was live and called RAW IS WAR).
I get all that but at the same time Hulk was taking a break, Vince was pushing Sid and brought back the Warrior and neither Bret nor Shawn were in the main event picture at that time.
True and Bret were the guys on top then. If they lacked "star power" it was their own fault for misusing the people they had.
For once it was Vince taking guys made somewhere else and giving them a real shot and those guys did fill out his roster but, as I pointed out, he has always had a great roster but didn't always know how to use it.
Neither of those guys were anything more than lower mid card guys. Vince's presentation and booking style was the same in 93 as it was in 85 and that was hindering him greatly. Still, the talent he had in 93 had all been successful draws either with him or with someone else. Bret was no Hogan and WWF had educated their fans to expect a certain presentation. Bret couldn't do it.
He sold it because he spent more than he brought in. Crockett went from running in three states to running nationally all the while making a profit until the end. Crockett was so strong in the South, Vince rarely ran NC, SC, Georgia, or Virginia during the 80s. He also expanded and became competitive in WWF strongholds like Baltimore, Philly, and DC, even outdrawing WWF in Cincinnati with Hogan in the main event.
As we've discussed, Flair was in his later years by the time he got to the WWF and was never allowed to be the complete "Nature Boy" Ric Flair he was in the NWA or WCW.
Hogan drew well but he was never going to be the real top face because a large percentage of WCW fans hated him and had for 10 years. The nWo definitely gave him a new lease on life and kept him relevent and interesting a lot longer and made his return to the WWF huge.
Did TNA Fire Lacey Von Erich?
As a wrestling fan i'm glad to see Lacey leave, but as a man.
Same here. They didn't fire her though. She asked for her release.
Raw star Alex Riley (real name Kevin Robert Kiley Jr., 29 years old) was arrested this morning at 1:14 AM and charged with DUI in Tampa, Florida. Riley was arrested after he was pulled over at the intersection of Kennedy Boulevard and MacDill Avenue North and taken into custody. Riley refused to have his blood alcohol level tested, which is usually grounds for an immediate driver's license suspension.
Riley posted $500 bond and was released at 9:33 AM. He listed WWE as his employer as a professional wrestler.
Riley was signed to a developmental deal in 2007 and was brought to the Raw roster after debuting on the second season of WWE NXT. He's been working as the Miz' protégé since debuting on Raw.
The arrest was picked up this morning by TMZ.
WWE is in cost cutting mode and this dude gets arrested? This is NOT good. You see Tiffany's ass hasn't come back yet after her arrest SummerSlam weekend and Drew's push has been killed. Alex better get to kissing ass.
Riley posted $500 bond and was released at 9:33 AM. He listed WWE as his employer as a professional wrestler.
Riley was signed to a developmental deal in 2007 and was brought to the Raw roster after debuting on the second season of WWE NXT. He's been working as the Miz' protégé since debuting on Raw.
The arrest was picked up this morning by TMZ.
WWE is in cost cutting mode and this dude gets arrested? This is NOT good. You see Tiffany's ass hasn't come back yet after her arrest SummerSlam weekend and Drew's push has been killed. Alex better get to kissing ass.
From prowrestling.net
WWE has announced that Vance Archer and Caylen Croft have also been released. They also confirmed the releases of Shad Gaspard, Luke Gallows, Tiffany, and Jillian Hall.
Zero heat wrestlers better beware
On another note i just picked up that smackdown 2011, and i won't front that wwe universe mode gets kind of addictive. I wrestled one match and batista showed up in the front row with a ticket
The weapons matches are more fun now that you can interact with them more, basically this blows 2010 out of the water.From prowrestling.net
WWE has announced that Vance Archer and Caylen Croft have also been released. They also confirmed the releases of Shad Gaspard, Luke Gallows, Tiffany, and Jillian Hall.
Zero heat wrestlers better beware
On another note i just picked up that smackdown 2011, and i won't front that wwe universe mode gets kind of addictive. I wrestled one match and batista showed up in the front row with a ticket
Riley must be sweating bullets. He's the first person to get arrested since Tiffany.
From prowrestling.net
WWE has announced that Vance Archer and Caylen Croft have also been released. They also confirmed the releases of Shad Gaspard, Luke Gallows, Tiffany, and Jillian Hall.
Zero heat wrestlers better beware
On another note i just picked up that smackdown 2011, and i won't front that wwe universe mode gets kind of addictive. I wrestled one match and batista showed up in the front row with a ticket
They get rid of Shad but they kept JTG ???? I guess they needed a jobber on the roster besides Mark Henry and Yoshi Tatsu.
I always thought JTG was the better one but damn he botches every other move, it's funny that the jobbers can actually whoop the stars asses in a real fight. Yoshi beat the hell out of sheamus when they were roommates in FCW, and henry could crush everybody why do you think cena is his best friend
.I always thought JTG was the better one but damn he botches every other move, it's funny that the jobbers can actually whoop the stars asses in a real fight. Yoshi beat the hell out of sheamus when they were roommates in FCW, and henry could crush everybody why do you think cena is his best friend
And it's funny to see him and R-Truth supposedly best buds considering they got into some shit in an airport some years back when Killings was with TNA and Cena was still doing the rap gimmick.
And it's funny to see him and R-Truth supposedly best buds considering they got into some shit in an airport some years back when Killings was with TNA and Cena was still doing the rap gimmick.
You know cena went up to him and squashed it quick by apologizing over and over
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I agree with most of this but Flair could and did work successfully as a face many times. He prefers being a heel but he can do both.
They need to take the belt off Kane. His feud with Taker doesn't need it and he can't hang with guys like Rey and Edge.
There isn't too many wrestlers on Smackdown who are main eventers
besides Kane,Edge,Big Show and Rey. Mabye Jack Swagger but that's about it so mabye they're just keeping the belt on Kane till Royal Rumble time,hell the Miz might cash in his MITB and get the belt.
That's true and it's their own fault. They haven't pushed anybody to the top spot all year. Del Rios had momentum but then he lost to Rey in Rey's first match back. Miz cashing in and taking the Smackdown championship would be an interesting twist.
Numbers will be down for this ppv, but vince will blame the name being old instead of the sorry product
yeah it would. Smackdown has too many heels right now though and adding the Miz to that mix just seems insane but hell that's the way creative does things. Hell they need to give Kofi Kingston a major push,mabye give him the I-C Title back, Dolph Ziggler and Vicki is starting to get on my nerves.
They should have been serious about Jack Swagger when they put the title on him. But he lost more matches as champ than he has since he lost the belt. Now he has a "mascot"? I know Punk had a couple injuries but they had a chance when he wrestled Big Show to really put him over as a real main guy and they didn't do it.
I like Dolph but I do think the Vicki stuff has played out. They have to find a way to break them up without turning either one face.
They blew Kofi's push when he never beat Randy Orton clean, the last good feud Randy had. They don't even let Kofi talk.
Actually Dibiase Sr was a good Face in Mid South, IRS- in the WWF and Florida, and Even Rude in ECW. I think if Rude Wrestled inthe attitude era he would've been a face but more of a tweener
Both Flair and Dibiase worked as faces at some point.Besides he almost went face once before and it appeared as if it was going to work. Guys like MVP and Jericho are much better heels than Dibiase has been and yet they successfully able to be faces.Its all about the writers giving the guy something useful to do.
That's the problem with Big Show as a face. They seem unwilling to let a heel beat him in a feud in a way that will propel them if they let them win the feud at all. There was no reason to have Punk lose that feud as he was the best heel in the company at the time and yet he not only lost the feud but saw his group breakup as well.
they blew what could have been an awesome heel turn!!!!!!!!! can u imagine Orton goes for the RKO, Cena steps in hits the FU counts Orton out, Barrett gets the belt, he and Cena have this standoff, then start smiling and laughing, Cena raises his hand and pulls off the referee shirt and reveals a Nexus shirt, and then delivers a huge heel promo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guess not huh!!!
yeah that would of being epic but WWE knows that Cena has a following of lil kids who worship him thus they nag their parents to buy Cena merchandise thus putting money in the WWE's pocket. They weren't about to fuck with that by doing a heel turn especially with Wrestlemania on the horizon.
MVP and Jericho are much better on the mic than Dibiase Jr. If they had turned Ted Jr. against Randy during the Legacy angle (it never got out of angle and became a real group) but they decided not to and that moment has passed. In this promo/skit heavy era, a face has to be as able on the mic as a heel. But you're definitely correct, it's all about what the writers give them. It also takes someone believing and pushing for them backstage.
Him and his crew got squashed over and over again. That shit was horrible and a waste of two good talents. It's not like Show is one of those guys that politics for position. He's laid down for everybody but NOW they want to book him like Andre. I guess it's payback for getting "knocked out" by 147 lbs Floyd Mayweather.
Or he could have "missed" some Barrett shadiness and counted Orton out. Then turned on Orton after the match when it looks like him and Barrett are about to come to blows.
I've never bought the idea that Cena was going to turn heel.
But if Orton or someone else had really taken off as a merch seller, they would have done it.
That's the one thing I have to give TNA credit. They put a lot on the line turning their number one merch seller (Hardy) heel. And they've gone so far to stop having him come out for the pictures they take after events (it's 20 bucks a pop and it's always popular, so that's a real risk). I can't say they've done a great job since but they had the right idea at the start.
Ain't that the TNA norm: great start, shitty follow up?