This Xfactor clown just went too far.

[xfactor]

His top handlers were both intelligence agency assets that were PRO-COMMUNISM = fact

The Kennedys knew this and told him and he refused to stop dealing with them = fact

Two of his top influences were Georg Hegel and Friedrich Engels (a student of Karl Marx that he disavowed) = fact (do you know what they were known for?)

He was under constant and intense (and illegal) surveillance by the FBI and surrounded by CIA and FBI informants that reported his activity on the record = fact

do you even know what the Civil Rights Movement was about? If your answer is “integration” then my response - why did a pro-white, racist colony/corporation/country want to bring so-called black people into the fold of society?

GLOBALISM has not and will never benefit people in captivity which is what so-called black people in America are still in.

I stand by everything I’ve said and have plenty of information to back it up. Why do you think Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. (a lot of name irony in this story huh?) sealed the records for 50 years?

Do you know why Michael King, Sr. changed his name and his son’s name from Michael to Martin Luther? Do you know what Martin Luther is known for? If so, then you really are being obtuse because this stuff is really not complicated to figure out.

Also, why was his mother and brother assassinated? What role did they play in all of this?

you are trying to debate a topic you don’t seem well versed in or you would have come with more information to contradict what I’ve stated. There is a reason that MLK, Jr. is praised vs. his contemporaries that were unequivocally more “pro-black”. Why is that?

nothing to refute....it was the height of the cold war and Russia had their hands deep in the US....and vise versa and its still going on today

Now YOU seem to be not so subtly insinuating that MLK was consciously or purposefully misleading his people and doing things to the detriment of the black community. Then when called on it you wanna act all

 

[Dr. Truth]

Lmbaooooo ^^^ this ho ass honky here . SMFH

 

[xfactor]

you got it. that is where all of the emotion came from but the problem is it isn’t propaganda or narrative or “white hippie talking points” like @geechiedan is pulling up. He is clueless on this topic but trying hard to bring a debate.

good point on Angela Davis who was unapologetically Marxist/pro-communist (just like #BlackLivesMatter) and she said to go out to support Joe Biden which would be like ‘Magic’ Johnson saying he was a Celtics fan his entire career. That would’ve been way over the top for the low level thinkers so I used King. Disrespect can’t be had when this information is archived and confirmed by his crew (Abernathy even wrote about it in his book). The detractors keep posting narrative but don’t use common sense or critical thinking. They are talking about Russia but the Germans have been the masterminds behind the social and psychological facets (and still are) ever since ‘Operation Paperclip’.

So that's what this is about? I forgot about all that "Russia" shit.

You shouldn't have used MLK. Should have used Angela Davis. HEAVY with soviets. HEAVY. This was during the cold war. Even ran in a third party, which in BGOL world is republican shit. It's in the spirit of not voting makes a person a republican I been told. But I guess depending on the era, the person gets a pass and praise. How's that math work?

As soon as she said to vote against Trump, she was posted. That's the grand opening/grand closing to all this shit.

What's confusing is we know Soviets used the racial divide just like Russia is using it. Well, those of us who read history. They didn't care. They just used the racism to try to cause division in the U.S. Why was it cool back then, but not now? Folks don't even know what the goal of russian propaganda was then or now. That's what happens when talking points come from coastal white hippies who don't know black history.

If Angela was on now what she was on in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, she'd have been called a 'bot' or 'agent' by many posters here. She is a great activist.

 

[geechiedan]

you never answered the question...what are your specific issues with MLK?

No issues. nBGOL trolls deployed constant harassment against so-called black posters that want to claim a distinct lineage, claiming we are “Russian bots” so I made a thread about the most famous so-called black man influenced by Russia in the last century. Now you see this thread. Not difficult to see who is most upset. (Emigrants that benefitted from the movement) All I posted was source material that still has not been refuted.

His top handlers were both intelligence agency assets that were PRO-COMMUNISM = fact

The Kennedys knew this and told him and he refused to stop dealing with them = fact

Two of his top influences were Georg Hegel and Friedrich Engels (a student of Karl Marx that he disavowed) = fact (do you know what they were known for?)

He was under constant and intense (and illegal) surveillance by the FBI and surrounded by CIA and FBI informants that reported his activity on the record = fact

do you even know what the Civil Rights Movement was about? If your answer is “integration” then my response - why did a pro-white, racist colony/corporation/country want to bring so-called black people into the fold of society?

GLOBALISM has not and will never benefit people in captivity which is what so-called black people in America are still in.

I stand by everything I’ve said and have plenty of information to back it up. Why do you think Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. (a lot of name irony in this story huh?) sealed the records for 50 years?

Do you know why Michael King, Sr. changed his name and his son’s name from Michael to Martin Luther? Do you know what Martin Luther is known for? If so, then you really are being obtuse because this stuff is really not complicated to figure out.

Also, why was his mother and brother assassinated? What role did they play in all of this?

you are trying to debate a topic you don’t seem well versed in or you would have come with more information to contradict what I’ve stated. There is a reason that MLK, Jr. is praised vs. his contemporaries that were unequivocally more “pro-black”. Why is that?

turns out you have ALOT of issues with the man..
you dug up all of this because most cats here find you an irritant?

This shit comes off like an Oliver Stone wet dream. conflating russian agents with sex orgies and a name change.
you can bring all that shit up from 50 years ago and none of it matters now...you know what you're right I don't know the minute details of the political affiliations of MLK but I do know he caught a bullet in the neck for his efforts. I also know that the American govt was responsible for breaking up The Black Panther Party for Self Defense and pretty much keeping any efforts for blacks to advance ourselves in this country off balance.

So NONE of that really matter a whole heap today and only shows that you and the "critical thinking crew" have absolutely NO ANSWERS or alternatives to the shit going on TODAY...


What's the viable political alternative to red and blue?
thru want political party and process should the black community be using to get our agenda across?
what in your opinion should that agenda be and does it include reparations?
In the political landscape who do you see on the horizon that black people should be throwing our support to and why?

OPEN TO ANYONE...

 

[SVT]

Niggus was getting bodied in this thread.

holy shit

 

[publicenemy]

It's because of shit like this gonna make me leave this board......................................

 

[Tito_Jackson]

• More blacks are dependent on government - welfare was created for poor white women and orphans and blacks were excluded... all that meant was poor blacks were REALLY assed out when it came to making ends meet.
• More black children are born out of wedlock - if you include the totality of black people in america then black children were always born out of wedlock at higher rates considering how black families and couples were broken up during slavery and all the raping happening. The first deadbeat father in any African American family is most likely some white guy.
• More black men are incarcerated - guess we're not counting slavery and after that black codes and vagrancy laws..so when do we start counting the incarceration rates?
• Blacks have less wealth as compared to whites -
• Fewer black men and women are getting married - I don't subscribe to the nuclear family model thats basically a western white centric concept thats not even 100 years old.
• Health outcomes for blacks has worsened - again compared to what living under lynching and chronic terror how did that affect black health?
• Home ownership for black has dramatically decreased - yeah everyone got fucked over when the housing bubble burst and of course we're hit the worst by it...like every other negative stat..that's just life in America period
• The wealth gap between blacks and all other races has widened for the worse. - all other races don't have the same circumstance that black Americans have. But I'm pretty sure native Americans aren't doing that much better...just that no one (and I mean NO ONE) give a shit about them.

This comparing ourselves against ourselves is designed to create a sense of worthlessness and inferiority. The basis of this argument is that the welfare state is the root cause of issues in the black community... that's a typical conservative tactic, isn't it? The issues of the black community have less to do with welfare and more to do with society's treatment and attitudes toward blacks as a group.

In the 1950s homicides were down and legitimacy was much higher but that doesn't mean a heck of a whole lot when daddy is unemployed or under-employed and blacks as a whole are marginalized and treated like 2nd class citizens in any case.

People like to draw a contrast in the behavior of blacks of 1950 with blacks in the 60s and beyond. As if in 1955 the black community was a Norman Rockwell painting with father in the home dressed in a suit, mother wearing a pearl necklace, daughter in a poodle skirt, and son dressed in overalls with a slingshot in the back pocket. And by 1965 just ten years later daddy's gone, mommy's a welfare queen, daughter is a slut in training and son is a violent malcontent.

But here's a question if Blacks behaved so much better in the 1950s and before then why was that generation treated so horribly?? Why would a generation of blacks that was so noble and had such good Christian family values and so earnest in assimilating into society be treated in such a fashion?

10 years is not a long time and well within a generation so that 1950s blacks are the generation that migrated from the racist south to the north and west in search of those good jobs in factories and such by the late 50s early 60s..but couldn't find any...why not? Was that generation too lazy to work? That's the generation that moved into predominately white neighborhoods only to see their white neighbors leave for the suburbs (I think the term is white flight) what reason would they have to do that if that generation was so upright and noble? Why would that generation of hard-working Christian values black people accept welfare if jobs were plentiful in the first place?

So when I see a list like that of negative stats I take that with a grain of salt because it doesn't take into consideration what America IS and what it has historically been to black folks.

Brother, I sincerely believe we are on the same side of the argument. I think it's more so a difference in how to rectify the situation.

Much of what you said is true, but some of what you said is opinionated and dangerous. Remember, my premise was that since the Civil Rights Act, some things have gotten worse. For example, the idea that children have always been born out of wedlock is false. Especially if you look at the data comparing 1964 and 2020. The same is for marriage among black folk. It is your opinion that the "nuclear family" is a white concept. This is false. The family unit is a universal concept that can be traced in all cultures. Why did I bring this up? Because the government conspired to break up the family unit because it is/ was the key to destroying black progression. Both parties were complicit in this. It is an undisputed fact and is supported by tons of data that people generally do better in family structures. Financially, educationally, and socially. Especially children.

Lastly, we have to find a way to understand that two things can be true. It is true that the government, which consists of democrats and republicans have purposely set black Americana on a path towards being a permanent underclass. However, it is also true that black Americans have to remember who we are. We are fighters and survivors. We have to fix the things within our control. We are making poor choices and are not holding each other accountable as we should. And it's getting worse daily.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

The reasons for all this aren't nearly all our fault. They all consolidate against us, regardless of party.

No it's not all our fault. But, much of it is. We can't just whine and point the finger, we need to circle the wagons and get our ish together.

Where would we go?

My brother with all due respect, you may not have thought of it like this, but follow what I am about to share.

When our ancestors were "freed" many did not want to leave the plantations. Why? Where would we go? They had no money, an entire country despised them, they had minimal skill, and had little to no education.

We can not be afraid to walk away, even if there doesn't seem to be a viable option currently available. Do you know in some small to middle sized cities and counties, less than 25% of the population participates in local elections? Did you know that as a whole, blacks vote more than whites? What does this mean? We could literally rally behind our own candidate and take over and create policies. But, we won't because we are being told to wait and be patient. We are afraid because we have never seen it done and we are afraid to do it first. However, we are not exactly the first. Hispanics and Asians are doing it (as democrats) and winning by earning residual white votes. In places like Michigan, middle easterners are doing this as various parties including democrats, republicans, and independents.

We can not be afraid to walk away for fear of the unknown. This is the same reason many women stay in abusive relationships.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Whatever bro. Yo ass never ever say shit about republicans except to cover yo ass at the end of a post.

I say quite a bit about republicans. But, I don't have to say much because so many others already do it. It is an echo chamber. But, what is needed are other voices and reminders that although the republicans are who they are, the democrats are not much better. This part of the conversation is often missing.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

 

[djpolo]

Bra negative energy gets this.....



I walk away from any of it.

 

[Big Tex]

I say quite a bit about republicans. But, I don't have to say much because so many others already do it. It is an echo chamber. But, what is needed are other voices and reminders that although the republicans are who they are, the democrats are not much better. This part of the conversation is often missing.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

What are you talking about? The title these forums could easily be the "Democrats Ain't Shit" forums. There's 100 times more posts against democrats than there are against republicans on this site.

There s 24x7x365 mobilized coon crew dedicated to protecting republicans by attacking dems here. FOH.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

No it's not all our fault. But, much of it is. We can't just whine and point the finger, we need to circle the wagons and get our ish together.


My brother with all due respect, you may not have thought of it like this, but follow what I am about to share.

When our ancestors were "freed" many did not want to leave the plantations. Why? Where would we go? They had no money, an entire country despised them, they had minimal skill, and had little to no education.

We can not be afraid to walk away, even if there doesn't seem to be a viable option currently available. Do you know in some small to middle sized cities and counties, less than 25% of the population participates in local elections? Did you know that as a whole, blacks vote more than whites? What does this mean? We could literally rally behind our own candidate and take over and create policies. But, we won't because we are being told to wait and be patient. We are afraid because we have never seen it done and we are afraid to do it first. However, we are not exactly the first. Hispanics and Asians are doing it (as democrats) and winning by earning residual white votes. In places like Michigan, middle easterners are doing this as various parties including democrats, republicans, and independents.

We can not be afraid to walk away for fear of the unknown. This is the same reason many women stay in abusive relationships.

Can you explain what you mean by Asians and Hispanics did it? Cause they were cool being not political until Trump started attacking those groups.

Don’t recall Dens bending over backwards for the Asian vote.

Meanwhile, Dems have always been receptive to Hispanic groups.

How exactly did either group win by sitting out?

 

[Tito_Jackson]

What are you talking about? The title these forums could easily be the "Democrats Ain't Shit" forums. There's 100 times more posts against democrats than there are against republicans on this site.

There s 24x7x365 mobilized coon crew dedicated to protecting republicans by attacking dems here. FOH.

I disagree, but unless we count, we won't ever definitely know.

What we do know is that Republicans do not care about black people and democrats placate and pander to black people.

We can not afford to wait on either party. We have to take control of our destinies.

Lastly as someone watching both sides, black folk who blindly support the republicans look just like black folk who blindly support Democrats.

 

[conspiracy_brotha]

No it's not all our fault. But, much of it is. We can't just whine and point the finger, we need to circle the wagons and get our ish together.


My brother with all due respect, you may not have thought of it like this, but follow what I am about to share.

When our ancestors were "freed" many did not want to leave the plantations. Why? Where would we go? They had no money, an entire country despised them, they had minimal skill, and had little to no education.

We can not be afraid to walk away, even if there doesn't seem to be a viable option currently available. Do you know in some small to middle sized cities and counties, less than 25% of the population participates in local elections? Did you know that as a whole, blacks vote more than whites? What does this mean? We could literally rally behind our own candidate and take over and create policies. But, we won't because we are being told to wait and be patient. We are afraid because we have never seen it done and we are afraid to do it first. However, we are not exactly the first. Hispanics and Asians are doing it (as democrats) and winning by earning residual white votes. In places like Michigan, middle easterners are doing this as various parties including democrats, republicans, and independents.

We can not be afraid to walk away for fear of the unknown. This is the same reason many women stay in abusive relationships.

All this right here. The key to black prosperity is the strong black family. Democrats and white liberals have brain washed an entire generation of blacks to view the nuclear family with distain. Single parent homes have higher school dropout rates, higher incarceration rates, teenage pregnancy, drug abuse and all kinds of negative shit.

 

[Akata King]

His top handlers were both intelligence agency assets that were PRO-COMMUNISM = fact

The Kennedys knew this and told him and he refused to stop dealing with them = fact

Two of his top influences were Georg Hegel and Friedrich Engels (a student of Karl Marx that he disavowed) = fact (do you know what they were known for?)

He was under constant and intense (and illegal) surveillance by the FBI and surrounded by CIA and FBI informants that reported his activity on the record = fact

do you even know what the Civil Rights Movement was about? If your answer is “integration” then my response - why did a pro-white, racist colony/corporation/country want to bring so-called black people into the fold of society?

GLOBALISM has not and will never benefit people in captivity which is what so-called black people in America are still in.

I stand by everything I’ve said and have plenty of information to back it up. Why do you think Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. (a lot of name irony in this story huh?) sealed the records for 50 years?

Do you know why Michael King, Sr. changed his name and his son’s name from Michael to Martin Luther? Do you know what Martin Luther is known for? If so, then you really are being obtuse because this stuff is really not complicated to figure out.

Also, why was his mother and brother assassinated? What role did they play in all of this?

you are trying to debate a topic you don’t seem well versed in or you would have come with more information to contradict what I’ve stated. There is a reason that MLK, Jr. is praised vs. his contemporaries that were unequivocally more “pro-black”. Why is that?

Records will be opened in 2027.

 

[Akata King]

All this right here. The key to black prosperity is the strong black family. Democrats and white liberals have brain washed an entire generation of blacks to view the nuclear family with distain. Single parent homes have higher school dropout rates, higher incarceration rates, teenage pregnancy, drug abuse and all kinds of negative shit.

Is that because of the family structure or poverty?

 

[conspiracy_brotha]

His top handlers were both intelligence agency assets that were PRO-COMMUNISM = fact

The Kennedys knew this and told him and he refused to stop dealing with them = fact

Two of his top influences were Georg Hegel and Friedrich Engels (a student of Karl Marx that he disavowed) = fact (do you know what they were known for?)

He was under constant and intense (and illegal) surveillance by the FBI and surrounded by CIA and FBI informants that reported his activity on the record = fact

do you even know what the Civil Rights Movement was about? If your answer is “integration” then my response - why did a pro-white, racist colony/corporation/country want to bring so-called black people into the fold of society?

GLOBALISM has not and will never benefit people in captivity which is what so-called black people in America are still in.

I stand by everything I’ve said and have plenty of information to back it up. Why do you think Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. (a lot of name irony in this story huh?) sealed the records for 50 years?

Do you know why Michael King, Sr. changed his name and his son’s name from Michael to Martin Luther? Do you know what Martin Luther is known for? If so, then you really are being obtuse because this stuff is really not complicated to figure out.

Also, why was his mother and brother assassinated? What role did they play in all of this?

you are trying to debate a topic you don’t seem well versed in or you would have come with more information to contradict what I’ve stated. There is a reason that MLK, Jr. is praised vs. his contemporaries that were unequivocally more “pro-black”. Why is that?

Brother it takes balls of steel to say this. Most blacks are not ready for this type of information. It's like a child first learning santa clause isn't real. Or a WWE fan wrestling is fake. Admittedly I never knew these details about MLK. However I always mistrusted the NAACP. Because it was founded by the wall street banker jew Jacob Schiff who was the George Suros of his day funding subversive movements around the globe like communism.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Is that because of the family structure or poverty?

They are directly related. Liberals want black folk to believe that the minimum wage fight will fix things or make things better. But, the reality is, if two people making minimum wage lived together working fulltime, they would not be in poverty and would drastically change their circumstances. Unfortunately, the black family is being devalued and the idea of being a single black mother is being pushed as an accomplishment and something to be proud of.

 

[tajshan]

What are you talking about? The title these forums could easily be the "Democrats Ain't Shit" forums. There's 100 times more posts against democrats than there are against republicans on this site.

There s 24x7x365 mobilized coon crew dedicated to protecting republicans by attacking dems here. FOH.

It's a balance.

I believe a good bit of us here know republicans ain't shit - problem is we believe the Democrats are.

Hell even George Carlin was like their part of the same bird.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

His top handlers were both intelligence agency assets that were PRO-COMMUNISM = fact

The Kennedys knew this and told him and he refused to stop dealing with them = fact

Two of his top influences were Georg Hegel and Friedrich Engels (a student of Karl Marx that he disavowed) = fact (do you know what they were known for?)

He was under constant and intense (and illegal) surveillance by the FBI and surrounded by CIA and FBI informants that reported his activity on the record = fact

do you even know what the Civil Rights Movement was about? If your answer is “integration” then my response - why did a pro-white, racist colony/corporation/country want to bring so-called black people into the fold of society?

GLOBALISM has not and will never benefit people in captivity which is what so-called black people in America are still in.

I stand by everything I’ve said and have plenty of information to back it up. Why do you think Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. (a lot of name irony in this story huh?) sealed the records for 50 years?

Do you know why Michael King, Sr. changed his name and his son’s name from Michael to Martin Luther? Do you know what Martin Luther is known for? If so, then you really are being obtuse because this stuff is really not complicated to figure out.

Also, why was his mother and brother assassinated? What role did they play in all of this?

you are trying to debate a topic you don’t seem well versed in or you would have come with more information to contradict what I’ve stated. There is a reason that MLK, Jr. is praised vs. his contemporaries that were unequivocally more “pro-black”. Why is that?

I know people hate reading this, but all of this is researchable and can be verified. The government has shown us over and over again that everything isn't as it seems.

Many of you still believe MLK died from gun shot wounds. (Uh oh?? Did I just say something crazy?)

 

[Akata King]

They are directly related. Liberals want black folk to believe that the minimum wage fight will fix things or make things better. But, the reality is, if two people making minimum wage lived together working fulltime, they would not be in poverty and would drastically change their circumstances. Unfortunately, the black family is being devalued and the idea of being a single black mother is being pushed as an accomplishment and something to be proud of.

Minimum wage is $7.25/hr. Two people earning that are still earning less than $30,000 per year. Not technically poverty level but definitely “struggle” level.

 

[Akata King]

I know people hate reading this, but all of this is researchable and can be verified. The government has shown us over and over again that everything isn't as it seems.

Many of you still believe MLK died from gun shot wounds. (Uh oh?? Did I just say something crazy?)

Yes. Researchable. Verifiable. Don’t you know this is BGOL? Is this your first time here?!?! Niggas don’t read, research, or verify! Just call the poster a “coon” or “bitch” and call it a day! Look at any Dr Truth response.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Minimum wage is $7.25/hr. Two people earning that are still earning less than $30,000 per year. Not technically poverty level but definitely “struggle” level.

It depends on where you are. The places where $7.25/hr is the minimum wage, $30K/yr is comfortable.

From my knowledge, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia and Wyoming are the only states that pay $7.25. Most other states have legislation that have increased minimum wage within the state.

 

[Akata King]

It depends on where you are. The places where $7.25/hr is the minimum wage, $30K/yr is comfortable.

From my knowledge, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia and Wyoming are the only states that pay $7.25. Most other states have legislation that have increased minimum wage within the state.

It’s still $7.25 in VA, although set to go up to $9.50 in May. With two people, $30K is still far from being a livable wage in NOVA and many other parts.

 

[Big Tex]

It's a balance.

I believe a good bit of us here know republicans ain't shit - problem is we believe the Democrats are.

Hell even George Carlin was like their part of the same bird.

The point is, there is NO lack of people making the point you make. There a several posters that have made it their only reason to post on this board to make this point. Hell, you even saw fit to make it.

So all you cats can assume we have heard this point. There is no one here who has not been beaten in the head with it over the last 5 years.

 

[Big Tex]

I disagree, but unless we count, we won't ever definitely know.

What we do know is that Republicans do not care about black people and democrats placate and pander to black people.

We can not afford to wait on either party. We have to take control of our destinies.

Lastly as someone watching both sides, black folk who blindly support the republicans look just like black folk who blindly support Democrats.

Look up any post by xfactor, queen t, Gene Cisco, and many, many others and you will see this point. And multiple threads on the front page.

You confuse the fact that we don't agree with you with thinking we've never heard your point before. We've heard it, we just think it's full of shit.

 

[SVT]

Y’all wanted Gene and Tito yaw gat Gene and Tito

back yaw stuff up niggas

Cause my niggus coming with that FIRE.

this my fav thread

now lil tex tryna say sum

Foh

sharkbait too @sharkbait28

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Look up any post by xfactor, queen t, Gene Cisco, and many, many others and you will see this point. And multiple threads on the front page.

You confuse the fact that we don't agree with you with thinking we've never heard your point before. We've heard it, we just think it's full of shit.

Ironically, the other side feels the same way about your views.

Both sides think that they are 100% right. But, in reality, both sides are both right and both sides are wrong.

From my perspective, blacks on both sides feel like their way or party is the best way to improve the lives of black folk. Just imagine if y'all could try to find common ground.

 

[CoTtOnMoUf]

Fuck these secret republican agents.

Yall criticize Biden but not republicans.

Yall not converting anyone so keep on

High fiving each other, nobody but the same

dick lickers are agreeing to your bullshit.

Foh.

 

[Big Tex]

Ironically, the other side feels the same way about your views.

Both sides think that they are 100% right. But, in reality, both sides are both right and both sides are wrong.

From my perspective, blacks on both sides feel like their way or party is the best way to improve the lives of black folk. Just imagine if y'all could try to find common ground.

1. I don't care what they think of my views.
2. I don't think I'm right about 100 percent of things.
3. I don't even argue with them much at all anymore because I don't care what they think.

 

[SVT]

Fuck these secret republican agents.

Yall criticize Biden but not republicans.

Yall not converting anyone so keep on

High fiving each other, nobody but the sane

dick lickers are agreeing to your bullshit.

Foh.

Trump is done

the boogieman been gone for almost 6 months now

Let that shit go.

 

[CoTtOnMoUf]

Trump is done

the boogieman been gone for almost 6 months now

Let that shit go.

Tell that to the xfagger and crew agents.

 

[SVT]

Tell that to the xfagger and crew agents.

Hold who is in charge accountable.

change Was in 2008

now it’s Recovery in 2020

 

[geechiedan]

Brother, I sincerely believe we are on the same side of the argument. I think it's more so a difference in how to rectify the situation.

Much of what you said is true, but some of what you said is opinionated and dangerous. Remember, my premise was that since the Civil Rights Act, some things have gotten worse. For example, the idea that children have always been born out of wedlock is false. Especially if you look at the data comparing 1964 and 2020. The same is for marriage among black folk. It is your opinion that the "nuclear family" is a white concept. This is false. The family unit is a universal concept that can be traced in all cultures. Why did I bring this up? Because the government conspired to break up the family unit because it is/ was the key to destroying black progression. Both parties were complicit in this. It is an undisputed fact and is supported by tons of data that people generally do better in family structures. Financially, educationally, and socially. Especially children.

the TYPE of family structure is the issue here. The concept of daddy, momma and 2.5 kids is a white concept. the west african family structure contains a number of combinations and extended family members. The positive influences in a child's life isn't just the role ONLY for the biological father and mother. Barack Obama is a perfect example of this...this is a guy who promotes the white-centric nuclear family model meanwhile his upbringing included his grandparents and stepfather and a number of family friends and elder men in his life having a major influence on him....and he only met his biological father once. Then grew up to be the fucking president under this influence. And guess what... there are MANY men and children who grew up in this kind of household who became productive members of society....theres more than one way to skin a cat.

Eurocentricity and the Traditional African Family
Patrilineality, matrilineality, and the practice of polygyny are three of the major distinguishing variations of the African traditional extended family. The literature on the subject is truly as vast and reflects traditional patterns that are as diverse as the variations of the physical looks of the people found on the continent. What is significant about the various descriptions of the traditional African family is that they are from back in the period before the 1940s and in case of the Baganda from the late 1800s. Social change in Africa as everywhere else is ubiquitous. Such influences as end of intra and inter-tribal warfare with the coming of European colonialism, the Western money economy, industrialization, migration, and urbanization have certainly transformed the traditional African family from what it was 50 to 100 years ago. By 1935, for example, anthropologists like Mair and Richards and no doubt many others were already noticing change in marriage and family patterns.36

The written descriptions and therefore perceptions of the traditional African family were also a victim of the European colonial cultural bias and Christian values. In a more obvious way, this Eurocentrism36 did not treat polygamy, the African marriages and the extended family and any others of its “eccentricities” (regarded as such because they were different from European customs) as social phenomena that was legitimate and workable in its own African social circumstances and environment. But rather as curiosities that were to succumb to the superior European monogamous marriage values legitimated by Christianity.

Some of the issues that were the products of the Eurocentrically biased judgements include the following two. First, the strengths, durability, and resilience of the African traditional family were never dwelt on explicitly and at length. For example, in the polygynous African family, like among the Baganda, and many others, your father’s wives and brothers were not just mothers and fathers just as mere kinship terms. These carried with them all the heavy social obligations demanded of a mother or father, daughter or son. There was never a distinction between the biological and non-biological kin as far as primary parental obligations were concerned. Other significant strengths are that the traditional African family increased group cohesion in an otherwise harsh physical and social environment.

Second, the continued Eurocentric descriptions and characterization of the African traditional family as some what depraved lead to the use of such terms as bride price, avoidance social taboos, segregated relationships, lack of “love” and “tenderness” in African marriages and families.

The continued, persistent and wide use of the term “bride price” to describe the valuables that were often given to the bride’s parents before marriage was legitimated is one excellent example of evaluating and perceiving a custom from a biased Eurocentric perspective. Indeed, such authors as Chondoka have recently found little accuracy or justification in calling this custom “purchasing” or “buying” of a wife. In fact Chondoka finds the use of the terms “dowry”, “bride price” to refer to particularly traditional Zambian marriages to be serious misnomers introduced by European missionaries and colonialists in Africa. “There is no bride price in our society. Traditionally no parent fixes a price for his daughter (a bride). If he did, it would be like selling her. We do not sell brides in our society. However, as a prospective husband, you are told to pay for the marriage and not the bride. Marriage involves much more than just the bride.”37

This author would further argue that among the African people that are conductors, participants, and are actors in these marriages, the concept “buy”, “purchase” a wife or bride does not exist. For example, among the Tumbuka38 of Eastern Zambia the verb kugula (to buy) is used to refer to purchasing of material objects or commodities and domestic animals. The verb kulobola is very specific meaning the valuables that are given partially or in full to the girl’s people to legitimate or seal the marriage. Lobola is widely used among the Bantu peoples of Central and Southern Africa.39

The Traditional African Family – Mwizenge S. Tembo

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This is what I meant by the whitecentric concept of the nuclear family.

Lastly, we have to find a way to understand that two things can be true. It is true that the government, which consists of democrats and republicans have purposely set black Americana on a path towards being a permanent underclass. However, it is also true that black Americans have to remember who we are. We are fighters and survivors. We have to fix the things within our control. We are making poor choices and are not holding each other accountable as we should. And it's getting worse daily.

As far as the time period of 1964-2020 and the progress or lack thereof in black america goes...thats just the ebb and flow of how we've always worked our way in american society. from 1619 to1865 there was slavery and after that during the brief period of reconstruction blacks started to progress then from 1877 to 1965 Jim Crow laws came on and things receded and any progress made during this time was met with resistance (Tulsa OK and Rosewood Fl as examples) And in all of this we are constantly compared to whites and left wanting even when times are good and if times get TOO good then they come over and destroy it in some way. Or co-opt it and control it. As they say in the Mandalorian "This Is The Way." So looking one snapshot in time and saying the lack of progress we're experiencing compared to another time is indicative of our own deficiencies or poor choices somehow... only divides us more.

 

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No it's not all our fault. But, much of it is. We can't just whine and point the finger, we need to circle the wagons and get our ish together.

I would only go so far as to say some of it is our fault, not most. Historically, governmental bodies very consciously undermined us at every opportunity regardless of political party. That's not even to mention private enterprise which is virtually unaccountable for their behind closed doors fuckery. Check the corporate boards of the Dow and other major indexes. I also believe that most of us aren't just hanging on the block, drinking 40's with a gat waiting for the next reason to pop off. I'm not, no one in my extended family is, and you aren't, but we very easily get tagged with that stereotype. Way, way too many of us do fall into that trap, particularly in certain areas, but not most.

... Where would we go? They had no money, an entire country despised them, they had minimal skill, and had little to no education.

Some freed slaves initially opted to stay with the "devil you know" and I understand. That's because they had nothing, literally nothing, not even owning the clothes on their backs. There was an iota of protection in the economic value they represented to their master turned employer. Of course the majority felt it didn't matter because they'd rather have nothing and be on their own. For years they were constantly harassed, spit on, chased, beat, murdered, raped, etc. They often, lived under bridges, in caves, shanties held together with string until the next group of whites came along to disposes them of their dwelling and any possessions they'd accumulated. They didn't always go quietly, but they never won either, especially long term. Many were simply rounded up for trespassing or vagrancy and put on chain gangs, their labor sold to companies for whatever purpose that came along. Skill and education didn't matter to white folks. My people are smart, bright, quick learners, often self taught. They'd still rather hire a German, Irish, pole, Italian, Spaniard, French, Hungarian, Russian, Lithuanian, whatever that hadn't been here a solid 24hrs and didn't speak a lick of english, than a former slave to do anything.

We could literally rally behind our own candidate and take over and create policies.

This does happen occasionally, but with very limited success. In Hamilton County OH, where I live, there is currently a black republican Treasurer. He has run all his campaigns on one theme: jobs, jobs, jobs. Firstly, the majority of better jobs that come to the area still don't go to black people. Secondly, IMO he seems hamstrung from venturing away from jobs to strenuously advocate any other form of social justice. My sense is that if he goes too far from jobs the party will abandon him, and in a major urban county you need major party $upport to be viable. For that reason, I don't see this working on any larger scale, be it state wide or nationally.