you mean the new england patriots superbowls.......tom brady wouldn't be shit on an average football team.
Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?
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you mean the new england patriots superbowls.......tom brady wouldn't be shit on an average football team.
Brady's been great EVERY year. Incredibly consistent (and a WINNER). Never had an off year while Manning has had a few sub-par years (given his standard), including this one.
Manning is also just 7-6 in the playoffs (losing his first 4 games), while Brady is 12-2 (after going 10-0 to start). Call me when Manning starts combining great stats with consistent winning seasons.
The 2001 Super Bowl champs were VERY average. Shit, the mediocre Antoine Smith was the prime RB and they had no receivers.
average teams don't make the playoffs let alone win superbowls.....stop making excuses for the man.....you know he's soft
The Deion Branch that has yet to have a 1000 yard season? Sure he may be the best WR in Seattle, Bobby Wade must be a number 1 WR too since hes the top WR with the Vikings. Tom Brady won a super bowl with David Givens as his leading WR. The same David Givens that since leaving the Pats at age 26, fell off the face of the earth. Tom Brady is on his way to a 4th title with a consistent revolving door of offensive players around him. The only player that remains from his first season as starter is Matt Light. Troy Brown is back now too as the #5 WR. And you reference again to the Colts defense. You must didnt read my previous post but i'll ask you this. Which Colts playoff loss would you chalk up to the Colts defense? Which playoff loss did Peyton play oh so well but yet the sorry defense gave it up for them? It didnt happen. The Colts got knocked out year after year due to Peyton Manning.
"Soft?" How does a "soft" QB win 80% of his starts. That team went on a great, gritty winning streak when Brady replaced Bledsoe. They weren't considered an elite team by any means and were expected to get crushed by the "awesome" powerhouse Rams in the Super Bowl. Instead, they pulled one of the great upsets.
Dumbass.
LOL!
Because hes not as "tough" as the on again/off again starter of the 3-8 Oakland Raiders.
tom brady doesn't even get hit enough to get hurt.....so save your 80% stat.
Cat's just hate the PATS, I'm rolling with Tom any day all day..
Originally Posted by kissmyazz
neither one of those honkies are shit without all the niggas helping them.....i say mcnabb, culpepper or mcnair(in the right system).
Wow did you even compare those bums to Manning or Brady. Moss made culpepper, McNair is a backup to Kyle freakin Boller, and McNabb he does chunky soup commercials.
neither one of those honkies are shit without all the niggas helping them.....i say mcnabb, culpepper or mcnair(in the right system).
Wow did you even compare those bums to Manning or Brady. Moss made culpepper, McNair is a backup to Kyle freakin Boller, and McNabb he does chunky soup commercials.
^Those guys are washed up. Injuries, age, and good WRs leaving really hurt their play. Just cause their white, you think a black Qb is better. LOL. Brady and Manning are the best QBs of this generation by far.
Damn, this feels good.
You know, there was a time when no one ever talked about how good Boston sport teams/players are (the 90's), and now everywhere I turn, Boston sports is the topic of choice when it comes to Dominance and excellence.
WE'RE BALLING!!!!
You know, there was a time when no one ever talked about how good Boston sport teams/players are (the 90's), and now everywhere I turn, Boston sports is the topic of choice when it comes to Dominance and excellence.
WE'RE BALLING!!!!
Which is exactly the idea, dummy.
how can you call culpepper, mcnair and mcnabb bums.....take that cracker shit elsewhere......black niggas are taking over at QB deal with it or die from it.
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Manning gets the nod.
He has never had a defense until last season and once he had one, he closed the deal. He's carried the offense for practically his entire career and made good players great.
I like Brady too, but everyone is calling him the best this season but Randy Moss is really the one inflating his numbers. If Brady is pressured, he becomes human really quickly.
Also I think Vinatieri should be given most of the credit for the Pats championships. Brady never put him in excellent field position for this FG tries, it was moreso Vinatieri making it in the clutch.
He has never had a defense until last season and once he had one, he closed the deal. He's carried the offense for practically his entire career and made good players great.
I like Brady too, but everyone is calling him the best this season but Randy Moss is really the one inflating his numbers. If Brady is pressured, he becomes human really quickly.
Also I think Vinatieri should be given most of the credit for the Pats championships. Brady never put him in excellent field position for this FG tries, it was moreso Vinatieri making it in the clutch.
How do you explain his post-season OFFENSIVE flops?
At what point in this season (or his career) has he been "human?"
WTF??? That makes no sense. (You must just be a Dungy and Colts suck-up, because you obviously know nothing about QBs. How can anyone kick game-winning FGs if they haven't first been put into reasonable position to do so?)
Absolutely. Manning plays a pretty game but substance trumps style, and three rings trump one.
Brady is a better leader and motivator, can do more with less on his team. He NEVER had the offensive talent Manning had on the team, but always knocked his storky ass out the playoffs LOL
Brady is more accurate, better at always taking what the defense gives him and beating them. He's Zen--he always follows the flow of the game and finds the one little weakness you have and then hits you where it hurt.
Brady hardly EVER chokes in the big game. Pressure seems to NEVER fase him.
Brady is a killer, where Manning doesn't always put that last nail in the coffin--he'll let teams hang around and beat him. But Brady reminds me of Jordan, Bird, Montana...they have you on the ropes and you're already beaten because you know the play you're praying they won't make to close the casket...
...they make 90% of the time. It's almost inevitable, like Sun. Nite vs Philly. Somehow someway they make that play and beat you, like clockwork.
Manning is mad nice, but I've seen him wilt under pressure far more often than Brady. I've seen him force plays when things got desperate and lose the game on a turnover or four and out. I've seen him snap and get red and flustered and start blaming teammates and shit.
If the ball were bullets, Brady's mind would freeze like bullet-time while all hell was breaking loose and put one right in between your eyes, with water splashing and fire burning and bombs exploding and hobbling on one leg with a patch on his eye.
That's who I want in clutch-time, not the guy with the gee-whiz skills who comes undone under less than optimal conditions.
Tom Brady! his numbers arent all that different from mannings with lesser offensive talent. u get alot of people talking about this system or that 1 but thats a moot point especially 4 winners. everyone plays in some system its about how they work theres. Brady been working the hell out that system he just doing it now with top flight talent. They D aint that athletic tho. But more than good.
Your catching ability and/or the propensity for the QB to rely on you in the clutch makes you a number one receiver. Not having 1000 yard seasons. Brady has always been proficient at spreading the ball around, though it seems a little lopsided this year with Moss. Brady was willing to cut his salary in order for the Pats to pay Branch number 1 receiver money, but they refused to do so because back then, they weren't paying anyone except Brady. That's why Branch left, and Brady was initially pissed.
As to your other point. In how many of those "horrible" Manning games was the game decided and/or lost by a pick 6? How many times has Manning been pick 6ed at all for that matter. You don't generally see anyone picking Manning or Brady and returning it to the house, which means that they generally don't make horrible and/or costly decisions. If you are scored on in any other ways than pick 6's or special teams scores, it's the defense's fault! They are the one's that are on the field and are supposed to stop the other team from scoring. It's how they earn their paychecks.
This is stupid
Peyton has had two pro bowl receivers and a pro bowl RB for most of his career.
Who has Brady had? Corey Dillion? What have any of his receivers done when they left?
Tony Romo
Before the colts played the pats this season I would have said peyton. Peyton lost that game against the patiots by giving the ball to R. Colvin. he showed me that he is a great player but when the pressure is on he does not rise. Tom brady has "IT" Which is not Quantifiable by stats or rings. I can't explain it but he has that quality that would make me pick him over peyton. Peyton is a QB's QB just like Marino. But Tom brady and Montana have "IT" that cannot be analyzed by stats. It is not Moss or Rice, besides Joe cool won two rings before Rice came to the 49ers. Sometimes players in sports don't have to accumulate a lot of statistics but can inlfuence games their entire career with an overwhleming presence. I'd go with Brady, but slightly.
False.
Reggie Wayne made the pro-bowl ONCE. Edge made it 4 times in his 7 years in Indy. Faulk made it Mannings 1st year.
Pats:
2001: Troy Brown is in the Pro Bowl.
2002: No postseason
2003: Brady, mediocre stats, but they have the #1 defense
2004: Brady and Corey Dillon make pro bowl, Deion Branch Is SB MVP
2005: Brady In probowl
2006: Brady not in pro bowl
Colts:
1998: Mashall Faulk only colt in pro bowl
1999: Peyton, Edge and Harrison in pro-bowl
2000: same
2001: Ken Dilger and Harrison in Pro bowl
2002: Harrison and Manning
2003: same
2004: Peyton, Edge and Harrison
2005: same
2006: Harrison, Manning, and Wayne
Right. So you're equating that monumental playoff flop with Manning's own post-season travails? How does that comparison work in Manning's favor?
While Brady (a 6th round draft pick) was going 10-0, Manning (a #1 overall) went 4-6 to start his playoff career.
Brady has never had "mediocre" stats. He's been remarkably consistent and controlled from Day One (without ever being a flashy gunner). Unlike Manning, he's never thrown more than 14 INTs in a season, nevermind 28, 23 and 19!!
how can you call culpepper, mcnair and mcnabb bums.....take that cracker shit elsewhere......black niggas are taking over at QB deal with it or die from it.
^Really like who???
^Really like who???
Again I ask, when has Manning thrown a pick 6 that costs his team the game, particularly in the playoffs? Take your time with that search.
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What was Brady's highest season TD total and/or QB rating before this season?
Brady's highest TD total before this year is 28. This year he has 39 and counting. Brady's highest Qb rating before this season was 92, this year its 127.9. Major differences? Randy Moss and Wes Welker. Brady is only NOW beginning to compete with Peyton statwise. Manning has a career passer rating of 94 with three seasons of 100+ ratings. Brady has a career passer rating of 92.8 with the current season being his only one over 100. Brady's rating this year is way over 100 so you know that's raising his career stats while Manning currently has the 3rd lowest rating of his career, which is hurting his stats.
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What in the fuck does a pick 6 have to do with Peyton Manning failing time and time again in the playoffs? Do you want me to go by his playoff games slowly one by one with you so you can see? The Colts averaged 27 ppg in those 6 seasons where Peyton failed in the playoffs yet averaged 11 ppg in those playoff defeats.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MannPe00.htm
look for yourself.
Indy has the #2 defense in the NFL and Adam Vinatieri is a Colt, so pencil Indy in the Super Bowl huh?
He also never threw more than 28 tds (before this season), while manning has had seasons of 33, 29, 49, and 31.
Yes, Brady is "consistent", consistently mediocre.