Trevor Noah was asked about Reparations on his show. This was his response.

[playahaitian]

@largebillsonlyplease

and I would like to add, what ya'll gonna do about these white folks who gonna try and claim these checks? And then like I mentioned the Louisiana Purchase?

 

[4 Dimensional]

It's really not a problem or hard thing to track at all lol

Cause we can track when an influx of black ppl not from America got here

I just dont get how it's an attack it doesn't say anyone is less than.....

It says the ppl who went thru the trauma here are owed

And if ppl cared about the ppl who were here and are together with the ppl who are here like we claim to be.... Then it won't be an attack it'll be a celebration.


It's not reparations from the world....

If it was reparations from Canada for the Canadian black people descendants of slaves
I would have no claim to it nor would I be upset
I'd say America gotta be next

You don’t think that’s a hard thing to track?

Just thinking about the lengths I went to track my history and I was lucky enough to have documented family history. There are many black folk that are ADOS that have very little paper trail, so it would be complicated to distinguish if they are descendants of other nations during that influx.

I’m merely suggesting that this whole movement is going to come with a gang of problems thats going to cause a divide simply because of misunderstandings and semantics.

If America was more homogenous nation, then the ADOS movement would be easier to deal with when it comes to determining who is or who isn’t ADOS.

Where are the lines going to be drawn at? What years is the cut off of when you are and aren’t ADOS? Someone that deserve reparations will be left out and someone that may not deserve will get it. If the ADOS movement is cool with that, then I’m cool with it.

But will everybody in the movement be cool with it? As of now, that’s an emphatic NO on both sides. Maybe not YOU personally, but other people will take issue.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

OK... but that isn't what these dudes were saying in these threads cuz.

What you saying is common sense.

But I would like to just reiterate ONCE again...

WE (I hope that is OK @Drayonis etc) and I am speaking as a non ADOS apparently by whatever definition

and for the few people who actually UNDERSTAND what this movement is about?

We do NOT want or are ASKING for ya'll money.

I think that is what is being PRESENTED and how honestly I was even told about all this in the FIRST place.

So yeah I was like - what the f*ck is THAT about?

and THAT is where the DIVISION is...

No one... from what I gather?

is saying ya'll do not DESERVE reparations, that your NOT enslaved people...

I hate to say this...and I CANNOT believe I am saying this but

its almost on some Black Lives Matter sh*t

and now TYPING it out?

I'm a little embarrassed to admit this.

but I think the NAME...American Descendants of Slaves

is where this MAYBE all this started (also having the WRONG people speak and define your message)

Cause If I am born HERE and I am from Africa or Haiti whatever...

by DEFINITION?

I am a American Descendant of Slaves

And honestly to answer another question?

I don't think I would feel comfortable ACCEPTING personal reparations from France. I was not BORN there.

To my COUNTRY to Haiti? Yes... and the funding closely monitored, transparent and subject to votes on its usage?

Yes.

But this is just ME on that PARTICULAR topic.

It is NOT my place to talk on ADOS... apparently.

But Bills I will say this DIVISION within US? Aint NEVER been good no matter what.

ESPECIALLY when the division is being created unnecessarily and nonsensically

They created and starting a fight with people who have no idea WHY they being pushed.

I don't want want be part of the club, but don't much me in the face when I'm just walking by.

You aren't by definition and american descendant of slavery though. You're a Haitian descendant of slavery which is continually fucked over by the world and France owes you TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS
for the pain they caused your ancestors
that's the crux of the issue. I don't think it has anything to do with anybody "wanting" our money or some shit like that
it's about hey everyone should pay for slavery so whoever colonized you is who you should from collect from and are owed.
It's not my message or movement it's just a simple thing that i've been on board for before it had a catch phrase that could get capitalized on.
I've made several post here talking about reparations we're owed

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

@largebillsonlyplease

and I would like to add, what ya'll gonna do about these white folks who gonna try and claim these checks? And then like I mentioned the Louisiana Purchase?

The same things the Native Americans did when white people tried to claim those checks?
I don't want money from the shit
you can't pay the money owed to each person its impossible there isn't enough money
you'd have to pay all of us 1m each at least to come close to hundreds of years of damage.
I do think things should be FREE FOR US

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You don’t think that’s a hard thing to track?

Just thinking about the lengths I went to track my history and I was lucky enough to have documented family history. There are many black folk that are ADOS that have very little paper trail, so it would be complicated to distinguish if they are descendants of other nations during that influx.

I’m merely suggesting that this whole movement is going to come with a gang of problems thats going to cause a divide simply because of misunderstandings and semantics.

If America was more homogenous nation, then the ADOS movement would be easier to deal with when it comes to determining who is or who isn’t ADOS.

Where are the lines going to be drawn at? What years is the cut off of when you are and aren’t ADOS? Someone that deserve reparations will be left out and someone that may not deserve will get it. If the ADOS movement is cool with that, then I’m cool with it.

But will everybody in the movement be cool with it? As of now, that’s an emphatic NO on both sides. Maybe not YOU personally, but other people will take issue.

I don't think ADOS should decide anything.
I don know who should decide
but also I don't think it should be a monetary payment. Those checks won't come close to what's owed.
We need advantages.

 

[playahaitian]

You aren't by definition and american descendant of slavery though. You're a Haitian descendant of slavery which is continually fucked over by the world and France owes you TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS
for the pain they caused your ancestors
that's the crux of the issue. I don't think it has anything to do with anybody "wanting" our money or some shit like that
it's about hey everyone should pay for slavery so whoever colonized you is who you should from collect from and are owed.
It's not my message or movement it's just a simple thing that i've been on board for before it had a catch phrase that could get capitalized on.
I've made several post here talking about reparations we're owed

I understand cuz

I'm just telling you how I was introduced to the movement and for ME?

I think THAT is were the tension rises. Cause I think their are hundreds of thousands of kids born here whose great grandparents are Caribbean or African descent who gonna fell hurt

I could be completely wrong.

And I got feeling it aint gonna be good. Just be mindful how ya'll proceed.

And I also pray for ya'll to speak your message well to all sides.

but like I keep saying

we ALL support and will continue too.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

We don't need cash directly.

We just need access.

Don't give me 20k which is what the maximum would probably be per person.

Education on all levels should be FREE - then watch how many people that don't identify as black will suddenly become african american

Health care should be FREE- then watch how many people identify and african american

Business Loans should no longer be loans but GRANTS- same theme as above.

Insurance for life and house and car should be FREE, full coverage.

We should be exempt from paying state and government taxes- not 1 cent period.

that's just a start.

....................

 

[playahaitian]

The same things the Native Americans did when white people tried to claim those checks?
I don't want money from the shit
you can't pay the money owed to each person its impossible there isn't enough money
you'd have to pay all of us 1m each at least to come close to hundreds of years of damage.
I do think things should be FREE FOR US

I don't think ADOS should decide anything.
I don know who should decide
but also I don't think it should be a monetary payment. Those checks won't come close to what's owed.
We need advantages.

NONE of the rational, reasonable and sensible items you are presenting today were EVER said in that other thread.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I understand cuz

I'm just telling you how I was introduced to the movement and for ME?

I think THAT is were the tension rises. Cause I think their are hundreds of thousands of kids born here whose great grandparents are Caribbean or African descent who gonna fell hurt

I could be completely wrong.

And I got feeling it aint gonna be good. Just be mindful how ya'll proceed.

And I also pray for ya'll to speak your message well to all sides.

but like I keep saying

we ALL support and will continue too.

Right...and my point from the start has been the great grandparents are Caribbean/African descent are owed money from the people who brought you there the colonizers.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

NONE of the rational, reasonable and sensible items you are presenting today were EVER said in that other thread.

I stayed away from that thread. It devolved into a cat fight and I ain't fighting with cats, I'm a dog.

 

[4 Dimensional]

I don't think ADOS should decide anything.
I don know who should decide
but also I don't think it should be a monetary payment. Those checks won't come close to what's owed.
We need advantages.

Yeah, that makes the most sense to me.

Advantages can be given in a multitude of forms too.

When I was on Title III scholarship, that was specifically for African-Americans. However, that award was also granted for Black kids that was born in America, but their parents was born in another country.

And I remember, that was met with heavy criticism because African Americans felt that scholarship was being taken away from potential scholars of ADOS. Which I understood at the time. Still do.

 

[playahaitian]

I stayed away from that thread. It devolved into a cat fight and I ain't fighting with cats, I'm a dog.

But that was people REPPING YOUR CAUSE though.

I was completely ignorant coming in and I left with a very f*ck 'em attitude.

An attitude I NEVER in my life had.

And mind you?

I actually AGREED with the movement and STILL left feeling like that.

How am I Black pissed off? IMAGINE how these white folks gonna feel?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Yeah, that makes the most sense to me.

Advantages can be given in a multitude of forms too.

When I was on Title III scholarship, that was specially for African-Americans. However, that award was also granted for Black kids that was born in American, but their parents was born in another country.

And I remember, that was met with heavy criticism because African Americans felt that scholarship was being taken away from potential scholar of ADOS. Which I understood at the time. Still do.

It won't be 100%
The system itself is built with loopholes so I'm ok with a few cracks getting in if it means that I get mine.
Advantages.
They have preyed on us monetarily with interest rates denying jobs denying loans higher tax rates no access to things no funding
so we need those advantages the ones that we would have had if the things weren't forcibly taken from us

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

But that was people REPPING YOUR CAUSE though.

I was completely ignorant coming in and I left with a very f*ck 'em attitude.

An attitude I NEVER in my life had.

And mind you?

I actually AGREED with the movement and STILL left feeling like that.

How am I Black pissed off? IMAGINE how these white folks gonna feel?

My case?
ADOS is a catch phrase. Like I said I've been saying we've needed reparations for YEARS on this board. and years before that. They aren't the authority on black american descendants of slaves getting money
and making them the authority is a mistake. They are a group that has good concepts there should be other groups with the same concepts we pick the best concepts we all benefit.

 

[playahaitian]

Yeah, that makes the most sense to me.

Advantages can be given in a multitude of forms too.

When I was on Title III scholarship, that was specially for African-Americans. However, that award was also granted for Black kids that was born in American, but their parents was born in another country.

And I remember, that was met with heavy criticism because African Americans felt that scholarship was being taken away from potential scholar of ADOS. Which I understood at the time. Still do.

the jewels @largebillsonlyplease dropping now?

were SORELY MISSING from previous discussions.

But he gotta acknowledge, WE ain't start all that division stuff.

And I felt it didn't even NEED to be addressed in that matter if at all.

Like you said now you CREATING a complication.

Cause notice?

after listening to Trevor and Bills?

I feel like calling some damn congress people!

 

[Famous1]

^^^^ I'll take "Things a bonafide coon will say for $500 Alex"

And I'll take " Things bitches on my ignore list say" for the daily double Alex....

 

[playahaitian]

My case?
ADOS is a catch phrase. Like I said I've been saying we've needed reparations for YEARS on this board. and years before that. They aren't the authority on black american descendants of slaves getting money
and making them the authority is a mistake. They are a group that has good concepts there should be other groups with the same concepts we pick the best concepts we all benefit.

I was KIDDING cuz. you KNOW that.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

the jewels @largebillsonlyplease dropping now?

were SORELY MISSING from previous discussions.

But he gotta acknowledge, WE ain't start all that division stuff.

And I felt it didn't even NEED to be addressed in that matter if at all.

Like you said now you CREATING a complication.

Cause notice?

after listening to Trevor and Bills?

I feel like calling some damn congress people!

I mean we dont even need to get our hopes up
Some church niggas will say we forgive america
some advocates will get their projects funded and say just write you did it and we the representatives of black americans speak for all of them and forgive you.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I was KIDDING cuz. you KNOW that.

Oh I know.
I should drop some shit in here but I don't want us to face what's been happening to us.

 

[dolemite73]

@largebillsonlyplease

and I would like to add, what ya'll gonna do about these white folks who gonna try and claim these checks? And then like I mentioned the Louisiana Purchase?

Sandy Darity, professor at Duke University and the go to expert on reparations for decades, has this simple criteria; you must be able to trace your lineage back to slavery via census data or other means and you must have identified as black via census data for 20+ years prior to any reparations resources being authorized.

That shuts down the $5 negroes, white people and others, we would inevitably see once resources are allocated.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Sandy Darity, professor at Duke University and the go to expert on reparations for decades, has this Simeon criteria; you most be able to trace your lineage back to slavery via census data or other means and you must have identified as black via census data for 20+ years prior to any reparations resources being authorized.

That shuts down the $5 negroes, white people and others, we would inevitably see one resources are allocated.

I can agree with identify I don't agree with tracing back to slavery.
It's way easier to trace the people who were NOT here past before a certain point because we can easily trace immigrants from the Carribean and african countries when they influxed here.
So if you were here BEFORE that then you were descendant of a slave

 

[dolemite73]

You don’t think that’s a hard thing to track?

Just thinking about the lengths I went to track my history and I was lucky enough to have documented family history. There are many black folk that are ADOS that have very little paper trail, so it would be complicated to distinguish if they are descendants of other nations during that influx.

I’m merely suggesting that this whole movement is going to come with a gang of problems thats going to cause a divide simply because of misunderstandings and semantics.

If America was more homogenous nation, then the ADOS movement would be easier to deal with when it comes to determining who is or who isn’t ADOS.

Where are the lines going to be drawn at? What years is the cut off of when you are and aren’t ADOS? Someone that deserve reparations will be left out and someone that may not deserve will get it. If the ADOS movement is cool with that, then I’m cool with it.

But will everybody in the movement be cool with it? As of now, that’s an emphatic NO on both sides. Maybe not YOU personally, but other people will take issue.

The 1870 census is all one truly needs to document your lineage into slavery, fam. If you know your family tree, you can find it. The 1950 census will be available in 2022. The 1940 census is available now. Start there and trace your way back.

 

[dolemite73]

I can agree with identify I don't agree with tracing back to slavery.
It's way easier to trace the people who were NOT here past before a certain point because we can easily trace immigrants from the Carribean and african countries when they influxed here.
So if you were here BEFORE that then you were descendant of a slave

That's a reasonable way to identify folks as well. I see reparations as a 3 tier system. Tier 1 are the ADOS. Tier 2 are the Victims of Jim Crow (1877-1968). Tier 3 are the victims of redlining, mass incarceration and the drug wars. Some of our immigrant brothers and sisters are victims of systemic white supremacy, just not in all 3 tiers.

 

[4 Dimensional]

It won't be 100%
The system itself is built with loopholes so I'm ok with a few cracks getting in if it means that I get mine.
Advantages.
They have preyed on us monetarily with interest rates denying jobs denying loans higher tax rates no access to things no funding
so we need those advantages the ones that we would have had if the things weren't forcibly taken from us

I agree with you here.

the jewels @largebillsonlyplease dropping now?

were SORELY MISSING from previous discussions.

But he gotta acknowledge, WE ain't start all that division stuff.

And I felt it didn't even NEED to be addressed in that matter if at all.

Like you said now you CREATING a complication.

Cause notice?

after listening to Trevor and Bills?

I feel like calling some damn congress people!

Bills got the most sense.

I mean we dont even need to get our hopes up
Some church niggas will say we forgive america
some advocates will get their projects funded and say just write you did it and we the representatives of black americans speak for all of them and forgive you.

You already know

The 1870 census is all one truly needs to document your lineage into slavery, fam. If you know your family tree, you can find it. The 1950 census will be available in 2022. The 1940 census is available now. Start there and trace your way back.

1870 census is so poorly documented that it’s going to fail off gate for many black folk.

I spent several months researching my family lineage on ancestry.com and I was met with so many obstacles along the way.

Misspelled names, conflicting birth dates, conflicting races, misspelled last names that ended up creating new names and lineage, some family not taking part of any census until the 20th century, and much more.

1870 census is very incomplete and at times very unreliable. I have a common name for the area I am from, I can’t even begin to tell you how many times I thought a name was part of my family, but turned out to be otherwise.

I also got family that was likely adopted, but can’t trace the original family. The 1870 census will work for some people, but for a lot of people, they’ll be unable to trace back that far.

I’m not even going to get into the feeling/emotion that some black people have when they can’t trace back much of anything because of little to no documentation of their family history.

 

[Drayonis]

What I'm saying is nobody black should oppose descendants of slaves in this country getting reparations

Who has done this? I've yet to hear anybody black do that. Casting doubt on racist America's willingness to"actually" pay? Yes.

Saying they don't want Black Americans to get it? No

 

[Drayonis]

crux of the issue. I don't think it has anything to do with anybody "wanting" our money or some shit like that

In the original threads "Kingwhateverthefuckhisnameis" was asserting just that. That we "wanted" the money for ourselves.

Along with the other assertion that we want to derail their movement for whatever x,y and z reason.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

That's a reasonable way to identify folks as well. I see reparations as a 3 tier system. Tier 1 are the ADOS. Tier 2 are the Victims of Jim Crow (1877-1968). Tier 3 are the victims of redlining, mass incarceration and the drug wars. Some of our immigrant brothers and sisters are victims of systemic white supremacy, just not in all 3 tiers.

No, they were victims of all 3 tiers too. Just not all 3 tiers here.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Who has done this? I've yet to hear anybody black do that. Casting doubt on racist America's willingness to"actually" pay? Yes.

Saying they don't want Black Americans to get it? No

I've seen it done but also I'm not here to divide or call out names. I was just making a statement and not accusing anyone just a sentiment.
It's not a divisive issue imo.
I want SOMEONE TO GET SOMETHING to get the ball rolling
If I ran the shit or whatever this thing is and successfully lobbied to get reparations
I'd then work my way to Carribean countries and all the countries where we were brought and subjected to this horrible crime of slavery and get their duckets TOO
there's no way I'd stop
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO PAY

 

[Famous1]

In the original threads "Kingwhateverthefuckhisnameis" was asserting just that. That we "wanted" the money for ourselves.

Along with the other assertion that we want to derail their movement for whatever x,y and z reason.

Perception is reality. You really "percieve"to be against the ADOS movement.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

In the original threads "Kingwhateverthefuckhisnameis" was asserting just that. That we "wanted" the money for ourselves.

Along with the other assertion that we want to derail their movement for whatever x,y and z reason.

And, I def did not join in that sentiment.
But also you gotta understand that to be black HERE means that everyone takes from you. It's hard as shit to not confuse it as such with any slight of hand or hint of apprehension
We've seen the movie so many times... its literally engraved in our DNA to expect things to be taken from us that were supposed to be "for us"
it's not a defense of the statements just a perspective that many African Americans here.

And then when other black people who we deem to be black come here from abroad and are not really all that cool with us it makes us feel like damn?


Remember in Sugar Hill when the African brothers in harlem called them "coffers" and he asked what it meant and he said "cotton pickers"
that shit is a REAL sentiment
and also we hear it from people about "well we came here and how come you didn't do this"
and that just sounds like "we pulled ourselves up from our bootstraps "

or "American black people are lazy"
all those things very real hurtful things that WHITE PEOPLE HAVE SAID
coming from our own?
To talk about black Americans is to talk about the whipping post of all society.
Don't be like them
Look at them
study them
test them
subject them
prey on them
banks literally saying we'll give hispanic people 100b for small businesses and we're like yay yall go on ahead and get it
then a year later same bank is in trouble cause they were opening accounts for black people and charging them and double dipping...to pay for the hispanic business small business funding lol
like whenever someone has to get the margins correct they write us out of the plans
that's why we are the marginalized.

It's a heavy topic heavy loaded discussion
The PTSD
just everything..


They government of this country LITERALLY FUCKING POISONED OUR CHILDREN
by flooding crack cocaine into our communities specifically, targeted, for an entire generation (80s baby early 90s baby)
and the psychological results of living in a war zone that was designed to be a war zone
the effects of seeing things people shouldn't see or being born with poison in your system that shouldn't be there
the fucking brain damage
health damage
mental damage
DONE TO US

and when we see someone acting up or acting out or trying to cope best way they know how
we call them crack babies shake our heads and say shame on them

do we ever process that or think about that?

like for real
some people can cope some people can't some people give up
NOBODY who had crack in their system family fell victim to crack saw horrible things like rape murder destitution incarceration unjustly harassment from predators sanctioned by law and otherwise got ANY KIND OF COUNSELING lol

but
no excuses for niggas

jus blah

 

[SamSneed]

Nice

 

[playahaitian]

Oh I know.
I should drop some shit in here but I don't want us to face what's been happening to us.

Talk

Your

Sh*t

Bills

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Talk

Your

Sh*t

Bills

At 15 my friend wasn't at school for a month. I called no answer. He came back to school i thought he was sick actually he had gotten his ass beat by the police so bad he was in the hospital for a couple weeks and then had to stay home so the swelling from the black eye could heal enough to go to school with his broken arm. AND NOTHING HAPPENED TO THE POLICE WHO DID IT they were still ON CAMPUS like it was all good.
I saw my friend get murdered in front of me at 16 mistaken identity
at 17 my friends popped got locked up after getting beat up by the police for some shit he didn't do spent a year in jail their senior year and missed their high school graduation
my girlfriend got killed by a stray at a house party at 18
same summer my friend drowned in the school pool
same summer my friend was pressured BY HIS MOTHER to hit a lick got caught and sentenced to 15 years in prison
and a good friend who had no family guidance got shot and killed on the very street we hang out on for NO REASON...over a girl.

It's not a positive I know what a dopefiend lean looks like
or that my dad had to take me around the city to identify the places i should and shouldn't go
point out where the track where the hoes are
where the crack houses are
the different turfs
the fucking LANDMINES in my own supposed "backyard" that i needed to avoid in order to have a chance at a life

and receiving ZERO COUNSELING for any of the shit that I mentioned because.....that's just the SHIT THAT HAPPENS when you come from where we come from like its OK

And then ask me how come I haven't done this or that or how come I get uneasy around certain things? lol

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Nice

My nigga sneed been through so much its a miracle he be here at all functioning
and NOBDOY HELPING HIM
and that's just NOT OK

 

[Drayonis]

Perception is reality. You really "percieve"to be against the ADOS movement.

I noticed you dodged the brother who called you a coon.