Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

[fonzerrillii]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a violation of campaign finance law to use campaign funds to pay for things unrelated to the candidate's election?

Sadly.... I think Trumps theory is that this lawyer is related to an act that occurred during the Campaign when Donald Trump Jr was an "employee" of the campaign.

But let's pause for a minute on something that I just thought about..

Remember a couple months ago when we posted the thread about Trump having a Fundraiser for his 2020 campaign a month after he was inaugurated and we were trying to figure out... Why in the fuck is he doing this so soon?...

Now we have our answer...

He anticipated the rising costs of his legal defense.. Knew about this loophole in the Campaign Finance Act and Knew that he was basically funding the campaign himself.

Dude has already spent over 4.3 million in legal fees and I bet that he didn't have to pay a cent out of his own pocket.

He has these Repub idiots giving him fundraising money for his fucking Legal defense fund...... Dude is basically running a fucking GoFundMe Legal defense account.


You can't make this shit up...

And none of this is illegal.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Man. It's just incredible. They're using the 2020 campaign as the family's slush fund. Yes, this is illegal. You can't use campaigns funds for anything other than that campaign. He's violating FEC’s personal use rules.

Remember, John Edwards went down for this shit.

Sadly it isn't..... in this case...

“When it comes to legal expenses, the test is whether the expenses would have been incurred irrespective of the campaign,” said Daniel Petalas, a Washington campaign-finance lawyer who served as the Federal Election Commission’s acting general counsel and head of enforcement. “So if the allegation is Trump — either as candidate or officeholder — is facing legal costs as a result of those statuses, then he is entitled to use his campaign funds to defray the legal expenses.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...09f62e-3f22-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html




But it could possibly become illegal.... If there is a separate action related to their attempted cover up of Donald Trump Jr's meeting with that Statement that the president signed off on last weekend.

 

[easy_b]

 

[Spectrum]

Man these fucking "Repubs" be killing me...... with their nonsense defense of this horsehit.

Nance son'd that guy...damn

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Sadly it isn't..... in this case...

“When it comes to legal expenses, the test is whether the expenses would have been incurred irrespective of the campaign,” said Daniel Petalas, a Washington campaign-finance lawyer who served as the Federal Election Commission’s acting general counsel and head of enforcement. “So if the allegation is Trump — either as candidate or officeholder — is facing legal costs as a result of those statuses, then he is entitled to use his campaign funds to defray the legal expenses.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...09f62e-3f22-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html




But it could possibly become illegal.... If there is a separate action related to their attempted cover up of Donald Trump Jr's meeting with that Statement that the president signed off on last weekend.

If the president keeps saying he didn't condone this action then it isn't campaign related.

If he says he condones it then any crime committed is tied to him.

They playing the most dangerous game of chicken in the history of mankind.

 

[fonzerrillii]

If the president keeps saying he didn't condone this action then it isn't campaign related.

If he says he condones it then any crime committed is tied to him.

They playing the most dangerous game of chicken in the history of mankind.

It depends upon the time frame in which the intial action occurred. I'm only talking about the use of funds to cover Donald Trump Jr. Legal expenses.

Donald trump Sr couldn't use campaign funds to cover expenses related to the mueller case but he could use funds related to any Russia shit based upon acts occurring when he was a candidate even if they are just discovered or he denies it.

It's extremely complicated but it's going to come down to his attorneys billing accurately.

Shits going to be very very interesting when this shit is completed and they start looking at Trumps campaign fund spending. None of those funds should go toward time spent on the Comey case...

 

[Spectrum]

Sadly it isn't..... in this case...

“When it comes to legal expenses, the test is whether the expenses would have been incurred irrespective of the campaign,” said Daniel Petalas, a Washington campaign-finance lawyer who served as the Federal Election Commission’s acting general counsel and head of enforcement. “So if the allegation is Trump — either as candidate or officeholder — is facing legal costs as a result of those statuses, then he is entitled to use his campaign funds to defray the legal expenses.”

But how does this go against what I said? He's not paying his own legal costs. he's paying his son's legal expenses who is neither in his administration nor apart of his re-election apparatus.

 

[easy_b]

 

[fonzerrillii]

I'm just going to place this here and use it later for the impeachment thread....

 

[fonzerrillii]

But how does this go against what I said? He's not paying his own legal costs. he's paying his son's legal expenses who is neither in his administration nor apart of his re-election apparatus.

based on what I know so far.... Trump Jr was considered part of the campaign Staff when this meeting took place.. Which is why they can use Campaign funds to cover the attorney fees because the ACT itself occurred during the campaign. Doesn't matter if it is just being revealed to us now.

Alot of Trump Sr... prior legal expenses were related to lawsuits and investigations that occurred when he was a candidate.... Mainly involving his Ties to Russia and the Grab him by the Pussy fiasco. Also.... He is racking up major fees because Gloria Alred is trying to get those apprentice tapes. These actions are matters that relate to his candidacy.

But the fees related to actions when he was no longer a candidate or not associated with his candidacy can not be paid through campaign funds.

Trump's problem is that there will be definite overlap here and it's going to be tough to keep track of spending on this. This is obviously a slippery slope that the Trump campaign is doing on this one. Personally I wouldn't touch this money.. You can afford it.

But the one thing that we can say about Trump (and it will likely be his downfall) is that he likes to save where he can. That's the only reason why he would do this.

 

[Spectrum]

based on what I know so far.... Trump Jr was considered part of the campaign Staff when this meeting took place.. Which is why they can use Campaign funds to cover the attorney fees because the ACT itself occurred during the campaign. Doesn't matter if it is just being revealed to us now.

He had no official position on the campaign staff though.

 

[Camille]

 

[ViCiouS]

He had no official position on the campaign staff though.

I bet you he does...

Trump missed no tricks in making sure that they all got paid from contributions and fed money through the campaign

 

[Mt Airy Groove]

He had no official position on the campaign staff though.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/12/15952934/donald-trump-jr-russia-father-president
Trump Jr. was known to be a close adviser to his father during the campaign, even giving a high-profile speech at the Republican National Convention. After his father’s victory, Trump Jr. was appointed to the presidential transition team despite not having any demonstrable knowledge of how the executive branch works.

 

[grownazzblakman]

He had no official position on the campaign staff though.

I bet you he does...

Trump missed no tricks in making sure that they all got paid from contributions and fed money through the campaign

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/12/15952934/donald-trump-jr-russia-father-president
Trump Jr. was known to be a close adviser to his father during the campaign, even giving a high-profile speech at the Republican National Convention. After his father’s victory, Trump Jr. was appointed to the presidential transition team despite not having any demonstrable knowledge of how the executive branch works.

^^^ This.

Plus in addition, Donald Trump Jr. would be considered an “agent” of the campaign committee under federal campaign finance law... because he played a “leadership role” in his father’s presidential campaign AND he was authorized to solicit contributions for the campaign itself. This could be proven because he has 'headlined' many fundraising events (i.e. golf events ) on his father’s behalf, during the course of the campaign. And those events are a matter of 'public record'.

 

[Quek9]

Joy has low tolerance for BS. She doesn't let them spew talking points, especially when they are lies, with no push back. It's rare that she let's BS slide.

That's why those of us with that same low tolerance love her.

 

[Quek9]

debating facts or pov - ok
debating with proven lies - needs to be shut down
thats the biggest mistake with trying to be balanced - it creates false equivalencies and many times the host allows lies to presented unchallenged
so far Tapper and Stephanopoulos are the best I've seen with real time fact checks but everyone needs to stop booking surrogates that are telling blatant lies -Conway Miller Pierson etc...
Jeff Lord looks ridiculous pushes false arguments but he avoids pushing blatant lies

This. False equivalence gave white supremacy the justification it needed to elect the orange nigga in charge.

 

[raze]

 

[Quek9]

Mayne this nigga is insane.

 

[tical]

He absolutely can't help it. Mental illness is real if anyone else needed more proof. This ladies and gents is the President of the United States.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Mayne this nigga is insane.

He truly cannot help himself. Dude is so far off the reservation he's endangering everyone.

 

[Quek9]

He truly cannot help himself. Dude is so far off the reservation he's endangering everyone.

It is like this is not real life. We are starring in a episode of the Americans 2017 remake.

 

[Sango]

Keep sending tweets. Hubris on a million.

 

[fonzerrillii]

He had no official position on the campaign staff though.

The law is extremely wack on this... my guess is that if he was campaign for Donald Trump then he could still fall under this exception. I've been look at this statute all morning.... the shit is a grey area. But it is a legitimate question...

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/making-disbursements/personal-use/


My bigger issue though is the timing of this... payment.

 

[fonzerrillii]

^^^ This.

Plus in addition, Donald Trump Jr. would be considered an “agent” of the campaign committee under federal campaign finance law... because he played a “leadership role” in his father’s presidential campaign AND he was authorized to solicit contributions for the campaign itself. This could be proven because he has 'headlined' many fundraising events (i.e. golf events ) on his father’s behalf, during the course of the campaign. And those events are a matter of 'public record'.

Great point...

 

[fonzerrillii]

Man what in all of the fucks....

1. I thought Trump said he doesn't watch Tv.

2. Fucking Michael Caputo was part of your fucking team... did anyone honestly think dude's going say.... "Gawd damn I guess we did Collude."

3. Isn't FOX NEWS starting to come at the Trump Organization for lying. So is also including Fox in this list of Fake News Media.

 

[GAMETHEORY]

based on what I know so far.... Trump Jr was considered part of the campaign Staff when this meeting took place.. Which is why they can use Campaign funds to cover the attorney fees because the ACT itself occurred during the campaign. Doesn't matter if it is just being revealed to us now.

Alot of Trump Sr... prior legal expenses were related to lawsuits and investigations that occurred when he was a candidate.... Mainly involving his Ties to Russia and the Grab him by the Pussy fiasco. Also.... He is racking up major fees because Gloria Alred is trying to get those apprentice tapes. These actions are matters that relate to his candidacy.

But the fees related to actions when he was no longer a candidate or not associated with his candidacy can not be paid through campaign funds.

Trump's problem is that there will be definite overlap here and it's going to be tough to keep track of spending on this. This is obviously a slippery slope that the Trump campaign is doing on this one. Personally I wouldn't touch this money.. You can afford it.

But the one thing that we can say about Trump (and it will likely be his downfall) is that he likes to save where he can. That's the only reason why he would do this.

Trump Jr. is not guilty of doing this. Instead, it is Senator John McCain. He is the one who was fooling around with a foreign intelligence organization.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Side note.... I completely forgot that Michael Caputo also has massive ties to Russia.

I mean every single major player in the Trump campaign has russian ties.

 

[sammyjax]

Trump Jr. is not guilty of doing this. Instead, it is Senator John McCain. He is the one who was fooling around with a foreign intelligence organization.

Lol

This fuckhead right here

 

[easy_b]

Side note.... I completely forgot that Michael Caputo also has massive ties to Russia.

I mean every single major player in the Trump campaign has russian ties.

Including Amoroso

Man what in all of the fucks....

1. I thought Trump said he doesn't watch Tv.

2. Fucking Michael Caputo was part of your fucking team... did anyone honestly think dude's going say.... "Gawd damn I guess we did Collude."

3. Isn't FOX NEWS starting to come at the Trump Organization for lying. So is also including Fox in this list of Fake News Media.

 

[tical]

Trump Jr. is not guilty of doing this. Instead, it is Senator John McCain. He is the one who was fooling around with a foreign intelligence organization.

Lol

This fuckhead right here

I'm really starting to wonder about GameTheory! You okay boss?

 

[Spectrum]

I bet you he does...

Trump missed no tricks in making sure that they all got paid from contributions and fed money through the campaign

I didn't say they didn't get paid. He was just an informal advisor. He wasn't officially listed on the campaign. It's just another dirty grifter trick.

 

[Spectrum]

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/12/15952934/donald-trump-jr-russia-father-president
Trump Jr. was known to be a close adviser to his father during the campaign, even giving a high-profile speech at the Republican National Convention. After his father’s victory, Trump Jr. was appointed to the presidential transition team despite not having any demonstrable knowledge of how the executive branch works.

Transition team is not campaign team. And an advisor isn't on the campaign staff. These words have meaning. He was just campaigning. Lots of people campaign. They did that on purpose. It's not going to save them though.

 

[Spectrum]

^^^ This.

Plus in addition, Donald Trump Jr. would be considered an “agent” of the campaign committee under federal campaign finance law... because he played a “leadership role” in his father’s presidential campaign AND he was authorized to solicit contributions for the campaign itself. This could be proven because he has 'headlined' many fundraising events (i.e. golf events ) on his father’s behalf, during the course of the campaign. And those events are a matter of 'public record'.

None of that is important. He's likely breaking FEC protocol by paying his son's legal bills from 2020 campaign funds because he wasn't an official member of the campaign. He wasn't a leader... he just campaigned like 100s of others did. That doesn't make you a part of the campaign staff. It's true grifter shit. It's the same reason he was trying to have his daughter/wife work in the west wing without a fucking title. Yall still don't get it!

 

[Spectrum]

The law is extremely wack on this... my guess is that if he was campaign for Donald Trump then he could still fall under this exception. I've been look at this statute all morning.... the shit is a grey area. But it is a legitimate question...

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/making-disbursements/personal-use/


My bigger issue though is the timing of this... payment.

That's why Trump always tries to have his kids involved without official capacities or official salaries..it's true grifter shit.. the guy is a PROFESSIONAL conman... maybe the greatest of all-time..he conned his way to the fucking Presidency!