Ukraine needs to give up or fight to the death. Enough is enough. Stop giving them money already!!!

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Why do we trade with China at all? Why does Europe still trade with Russia at all if these countries are so evil? Why do business with them if they're all just a bunch of psychopaths?

Same time: What's good with all this Neo Nazism purportedly in Ukraine?

I get it someone's got to be in charge, obviously better me than my adversary and I'd rather it be us. But seems to me that at the end of the day it's economic rather than good and evil. ESPECIALLY for these cats in charge. They'll negotiate and end this eventually because eventually it'll be in everyone's best economic interest.

Oh and the cost of us doing business using money that could be spent fixing our own issues is the cherry on top of a shit sundae.

"We" don't trade with China at all. Huge, multinational corporations trade with China. Why? because over there, you can pay someone 25 cents/hr to make althetic shoes that sell in the U.S. for 200 bucks.

Capitalism is grounded in sociopathy. It entails the pursuit of profit at all costs, even damage to the environment and death of countless "lesser" (poor) people. That is why the root word of capitalism is capital.

Ukrainians are racist as are most Slavs. However, I would support a racist regime in the overthrow of a MORE IMMINENTLY POWERFUL RACIST GOVERNMENT in order to stop the latters progress toward its ultimate goal. It's a "the enemy of my enemy is my (temporary) friend" thing.

It has ALWAYS been a matter of economics. Even slavery in the U.S. was based in economics.
"Our own issues": the issues of those of us without significant wealth and power, which does not matter one bit to the assholes in charge.
 

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I feel you man, shit is fucked up in other countries for sure.

My main thing is here, at home, we live in a country where there are still parts of this place I don't feel safe visiting because of the color of my skin, same skin will get me shot and killed any given Sunday if I find myself amongst the wrong men in blue that are supposed to protect all of us... and now turns out the same government penny pinching for my fonky student loans is turning round and paying the salaries of public employees in Eastern Europe.

We don't really have room to speak down on other countries when we need to clean our own house. Can we fix our own shit first, or is there always going to be the next proxy forever-war for these folks to draw our attention to?

The problem here is "we" are not in charge. The wealthy are. 5 multinational corporations own ALL the major media in the USA. The idea of "freedom", the "free world" and "democracy" are all slogans meant to keep us enthralled in the service of a country based on the genocide of my father's ancestors and the enslavement of those of my mother.
 

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None.

I read rather well, and watch the news on the TV.

Don't watch Fox, take EVERYTHING you hear on NPR (national petroleum radio) with a grain of salt. Check references and authority of citations in support of propaganda.
You ever been to Russia? Because I know people who have.
 

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:confused:

Besides a Nuke which they won’t use they’ve already been doing that to the point they’re running out of “bombs” and begging North Korea and China for weapons in exchange for oil and technology secrets
Bruh you really don't know what you're talking about. You have no clue on what's at stake. You really don't.
 

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Either we support our allies or we aid our adversaries. China is keeping an eye on us to see if we show signs of weakness because they will launch an assault on Taiwan if we do.
We are the only ones preventing these communist nations from invading other nations. That will activate Article 5 once they assault a NATO country, and then we have to send troops to that region.
:gun03::gun05:
Bruh what are you talking about? The govt has fooled you into believing who our enemies are. The military industrial complex wants to create an alter ego that you root against...even though this enemy hasn't done anything to you, this country, or anybody else. White people are trying to cling to power over the money and resources and use tools like you to push their agenda
 

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Bullshit.

Prove it. Name ONE Ukrainian "strongman".

I have ZERO love for Eastern Europeans, generally speaking, as they are some of the most racist assholes on the planet.

I do, however, try to keep abreast of global politics, and I know that if Ukraine falls to Russia, Putin will become dictator over the largest nation in Europe, and will not only control its main source of oil and gas, but food as well. The consequences for US will be direct, and immediate. You clearly do not understand them.

If you are too uniformed to understand the repercussions of such a calamity, I suggest you educate yourself before making ass backward, visceral statements such as the above.
Bullshit.

Prove it. Name ONE Ukrainian "strongman".

I have ZERO love for Eastern Europeans, generally speaking, as they are some of the most racist assholes on the planet.

I do, however, try to keep abreast of global politics, and I know that if Ukraine falls to Russia, Putin will become dictator over the largest nation in Europe, and will not only control its main source of oil and gas, but food as well. The consequences for US will be direct, and immediate. You clearly do not understand them.

If you are too uniformed to understand the repercussions of such a calamity, I suggest you educate yourself before making ass backward, visceral statements such as the above.
You really do not know what the fuck you're talking about. This shit has no repercussions on anything happening here. The Donbas region is what's in play.
 

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Bruh what are you talking about? The govt has fooled you into believing who our enemies are. The military industrial complex wants to create an alter ego that you root against...even though this enemy hasn't done anything to you, this country, or anybody else. White people are trying to cling to power over the money and resources and use tools like you to push their agenda
@rangerman:

Sometimes...

when you don't know shit...

and several other people on a porn board who DO know shit try to explain why and how you clearly don't know shit...

it might be a good idea to just sit back, have a hot, steaming cup of shut the fuck up, and read, my brutha. READ.

Just a suggestion.
 

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TORONTO -- The speaker of Canada’s House of Commons resigned Tuesday for inviting a man who fought for a Nazi military unit during World War II to Parliament to attend a speech by the Ukrainian president.

Just after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy delivered an address in the House of Commons on Friday, Canadian lawmakers gave 98-year-old Yaroslav Hunka a standing ovation when Speaker Anthony Rota drew attention to him. Rota introduced Hunka as a war hero who fought for the First Ukrainian Division.

Observers over the weekend began to publicize the fact that the First Ukrainian Division also was known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the SS 14th Waffen Division, a voluntary unit that was under the command of the Nazis.

“No one in this House is above any of us. Therefore I must step down as your speaker,” Rota said in Parliament. “I reiterate my profound regret for my error in recognizing an individual in the House during the joint address to Parliament of President Zelenskyy.

"That public recognition has caused pain to individuals and communities, including to the Jewish community in Canada and around the world in addition to Nazi survivors in Poland among other nations. I accept full responsibility for my actions," he added.
 

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TORONTO -- The speaker of Canada’s House of Commons resigned Tuesday for inviting a man who fought for a Nazi military unit during World War II to Parliament to attend a speech by the Ukrainian president.

Just after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy delivered an address in the House of Commons on Friday, Canadian lawmakers gave 98-year-old Yaroslav Hunka a standing ovation when Speaker Anthony Rota drew attention to him. Rota introduced Hunka as a war hero who fought for the First Ukrainian Division.

Observers over the weekend began to publicize the fact that the First Ukrainian Division also was known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the SS 14th Waffen Division, a voluntary unit that was under the command of the Nazis.

“No one in this House is above any of us. Therefore I must step down as your speaker,” Rota said in Parliament. “I reiterate my profound regret for my error in recognizing an individual in the House during the joint address to Parliament of President Zelenskyy.

"That public recognition has caused pain to individuals and communities, including to the Jewish community in Canada and around the world in addition to Nazi survivors in Poland among other nations. I accept full responsibility for my actions," he added.
I had idiots mad at me here saying that I was falling for rUSSIaNz dISiMFOrmaTIoNZ when i pointed this this out last year lol
 

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I had idiots mad at me here saying that I was falling for rUSSIaNz dISiMFOrmaTIoNZ when i pointed this this out last year lol

 

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I had idiots mad at me here saying that I was falling for rUSSIaNz dISiMFOrmaTIoNZ when i pointed this this out last year lol
That's sad, because a little research would have provided them with more information.

Once upon a tIme the Peace Corps had issued a warning to potential racist encounters that Black volunteers might experience in Ukraine on the Peace Corps website.

The Peace Corp "mysteriously" removed that page (I believe I saved it).



Possible Considerations for African American or Black Volunteers
Volunteer Voices: “'People of color' face many challenges living in Ukraine, as a Peace Corps Volunteer. However, African-Americans will confront far more complicated issues. For modern parts of Ukraine, African-Americans are part of the community and day-to-day life. However, there are many Ukrainians who have never seen a Black person before. Their understanding of African-American culture is fueled by the media and African stereotypes. You will generate lots of interest and curious stares.

So, these stares can make you uncomfortable and annoyed. Ukrainians' initial perception of you may be that you are from Africa; it may not. It does help if they understand that you are an American, and the training in PST will help you consider ways that you will engage with these assumptions."

"It is not uncommon for Ukrainians to refer to African-Americans as “[N-Word]”. Volunteers of color may be called 'a monkey' or may see children’s games with Blackface. Being aware of the history of dehumanization for people of African descent may help inform where this comes from; it does not justify it. It will be at your discretion to determine the intent. No matter the intent, staff recognizes the impact that hearing that word may invoke hurt and anger. If you view it as unlearned [something the person has never been exposed to], it may be an opportunity for you to educate that person. We are here to support your successful service, and these comments and images can be a huge distraction and obstacle to you. Know that Peace Corps staff is here to support and encourage you. Do not hesitate to remove yourself from such situations. You are not expected to be subjected to such treatment. You can also find support and understand from other African-American Peace Corps Volunteers serving in Ukraine."


Any volunteer or staff member who has experienced racism can contact any Peace Corps Ukraine staff member. This can include the Program Managers, Safety and Security Manager, Director of Management and Operations, Director of Programs and Training, or Country Director.


 

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That's sad, because a little research would have provided them with more information.

Once upon a tIme the Peace Corps had issued a warning to potential racist encounters that Black volunteers might experience in Ukraine on the Peace Corps website.

The Peace Corp "mysteriously" removed that page (I believe I saved it).
Yep.
I was among the 1st to point this out lol.
Wecan't save everyone bro.
 

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I have discovered (just like Columbus) people who THINK they want things to change REALLY want things to remain the same. So unless you are being compensated, I would advise stop going back and forth with others because it’s like arguing about religion (you’re getting nowhere). Also, if it makes you feel any better just remember they need you more than you need them to retain the status quo.
 

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Man, we gotta stop evil Putin.
HOWEVER much this cost !



Get em

Ukrainian men dragged out of nightclubs by army recruiters​

James Kilner
Sun, October 13, 2024 at 10:00 AM PDT·2 min read
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A mobilisation raid before a rock concert in Kyiv

A mobilisation raid before a rock concert in Kyiv - X

Ukrainian military recruiters launched targeted raids at restaurants, shopping centres and a rock concert over the weekend, detaining men and press-ganging them into the army.
“Get away from me!” one concertgoer shouted at three policemen as they pulled him towards a recruiting desk that had been set up on Friday outside the Palace of Sports in Kyiv, where Okean Elzy, a Ukrainian rock band, had been playing.
The man’s face contorted in fear as he strained against the policemen, video footage showed. Several women filmed the policemen on their smartphones, shouting: “Shame! Shame on you!”
Policemen also waited to intercept men at Goodwine, a nearby shopping centre, and Avalon, a popular restaurant, according to reports.
Eyewitnesses said the police checked all the men’s documents. Those who refused to show documents exempting them from military service, or whose documents were considered faulty, were dragged away.



Police checked the documents of young men en masse after a recent tightening of conscription laws in Ukraine - X
Under Ukraine’s martial laws, all men between the ages of 25 and 60 are eligible for the army. Men between 18 and 60 are also banned from leaving the country.

Facing a severe shortage of soldiers, Ukraine reduced the mobilisation age to 25 from 27 and scrapped an “only partially eligible” loophole in April. Punishment was also stiffened for men who did not arrive at their summons. Ukraine has also followed Russia by mobilising its prison population.

Western intelligence analysts estimate Russian casualties to stand at more than 650,000 soldiers. The data for Ukraine’s war casualties have not been released, but its casualties are estimated to be a third or a quarter of Russia’s.

Fatigue and fear of being killed on frontlines have sapped Ukrainians’ enthusiasm for signing up to fight in a war that has now lasted for more than two and a half years.

Oleksandr Danylyuk, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London, said: “Mobilisation has begun to be perceived as a one-way ticket, where the only way to end service is to die or become disabled.”

Some men are so desperate to escape mobilisation that they are risking their lives to break out of Ukraine.

In April, the country’s Border Guard Service said at least 30 men had died trying to flee the country since the start of the war, often drowning while trying to swim across fast-flowing rivers or freezing to death on mountain passes.

Russian forces have been making slow but steady progress along the frontlines in Ukraine, but on Saturday evening Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, said hisforces had secured the frontline in Russia’s Kursk region, which Ukraine invaded in August.

Prosecutors also said that they were investigating the alleged killing of nine Ukrainian soldiers captured by Russian forces in Kursk. They were allegedly stripped naked before being shot.

 
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