UPDATE: Donald Trump Takes Office as the 47th US President

Piff Henderson

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Everybody gonna look like tweakers if this happens.
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sammyjax

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I appreciate the response...

Eewwll was insisting to me in 2020 that Kamala was more progressive than Bernie. I don't think she ever was but it will be interesting to see how aligned she is with progressives when/if she gets in. I never would have thought Biden would work with them as much as he did and she seems more progressive as a person than he did. I think it's good for us to be able to have a healthy conversation about all of these issues.

"People's belief that Joe was the only one that could beat Trump was not unfounded, and given what's at stake and the facts that we not only 1-absolutely needed the candidate most likely to win and 2-needed to rally hard as fuck behind said candidate, was not the result of some mass psychosis. The man not only did a great job but beat Trump before, and people are less likely to gamble when so much is on the line. Even describing this as cult worship is more an indicator of your disposition than an accurate description of that support. In the common parlance, ain't nobody ever worshipped no gotdamn joe biden, but we had his back. Question, who was a better bet than joe or kamala?"

That's not a good question when you refer back to my previous post in which I said Kamala was the only person who could beat Trump. So I'm not arguing anyone would be better than her, not without having a real primary which would have had to have started over a year back at least. Who was a better bet than Joe? Almost anyone! The only real fuck up associated with Harris over the last month of the campaign has been due to her forced association with Biden and his inability to express thoughts clearly. I used to say he couldn't campaign but he could be president but, goddamn it, being able to speak is an important part of being president. He's just not up to the task anymore. There are dozens of elected officials that Democrats would be better off running than him. The election would not be close if he stayed in.

Also, he barely beat Trump last time-- about 43,000 votes go the other way in Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin and Trump would have been legitimately elected. For context, the NFL stadium with the smallest capacity is Soldier Field in Chicago, which has a seating capacity of 61,500. This is more a reflection on this country being bad than his campaign but if covid didn't happen, Trump pretty clearly would have been re-elected. I don't like that, to be clear, but that's the country we live in.

Yes minority and dissident opinions should be welcome, the reason being that when the dissident shares a common goal, it yields a refined strategy in pursuit of said goal/s. To carry on this exchange as if a number of your posts in this thread presented no value in that vein is, I believe, farcical. In the common parlance, you gon really sit up here and act like a lot of that wasn't just on some old hating ass shit? or at BEST, act like your mind is blown that they'd be perceived as such? If anything it's confounding that you could go from backing her then to ripping her now.

In response to that final sentence, you're off in describing me as "backing her then." I back her now. I'm going to turn in a ballot voting for her tomorrow. This is what my support looks like when I am backing a flawed candidate.

Building off of that to address the rest of what is quoted here... I'll simply say that my avatar has not been Draymond Green choking Rudy Gobert for the past year simply because Green and Steph Curry are my favorite players. I do have some self-awareness. :cool:
good shit man, i can dig it.

I should have said had a better chance of winning than who was better, but I feel you. i have the luxury of his successful presidency now, but tbh I can't even remember how I felt before he won the primary. i don't think I was ever a reluctant joe voter though, I thought he had the best chance to beat trump back then. i just don't remember giving two fucks about his policies after 4 years of executive jackassery. no argument from me about this round though. while I think he's great, when i'd see him over the last year i'd be like fuck man, my boy elevens is damn near up.

for what it's worth, I didn't think you were a trump voter at any point lol.
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor
I appreciate the response...

Eewwll was insisting to me in 2020 that Kamala was more progressive than Bernie. I don't think she ever was but it will be interesting to see how aligned she is with progressives when/if she gets in. I never would have thought Biden would work with them as much as he did and she seems more progressive as a person than he did. I think it's good for us to be able to have a healthy conversation about all of these issues.

"People's belief that Joe was the only one that could beat Trump was not unfounded, and given what's at stake and the facts that we not only 1-absolutely needed the candidate most likely to win and 2-needed to rally hard as fuck behind said candidate, was not the result of some mass psychosis. The man not only did a great job but beat Trump before, and people are less likely to gamble when so much is on the line. Even describing this as cult worship is more an indicator of your disposition than an accurate description of that support. In the common parlance, ain't nobody ever worshipped no gotdamn joe biden, but we had his back. Question, who was a better bet than joe or kamala?"

That's not a good question when you refer back to my previous post in which I said Kamala was the only person who could beat Trump. So I'm not arguing anyone would be better than her, not without having a real primary which would have had to have started over a year back at least. Who was a better bet than Joe? Almost anyone! The only real fuck up associated with Harris over the last month of the campaign has been due to her forced association with Biden and his inability to express thoughts clearly. I used to say he couldn't campaign but he could be president but, goddamn it, being able to speak is an important part of being president. He's just not up to the task anymore. There are dozens of elected officials that Democrats would be better off running than him. The election would not be close if he stayed in.

Also, he barely beat Trump last time-- about 43,000 votes go the other way in Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin and Trump would have been legitimately elected. For context, the NFL stadium with the smallest capacity is Soldier Field in Chicago, which has a seating capacity of 61,500. This is more a reflection on this country being bad than his campaign but if covid didn't happen, Trump pretty clearly would have been re-elected. I don't like that, to be clear, but that's the country we live in.

Yes minority and dissident opinions should be welcome, the reason being that when the dissident shares a common goal, it yields a refined strategy in pursuit of said goal/s. To carry on this exchange as if a number of your posts in this thread presented no value in that vein is, I believe, farcical. In the common parlance, you gon really sit up here and act like a lot of that wasn't just on some old hating ass shit? or at BEST, act like your mind is blown that they'd be perceived as such? If anything it's confounding that you could go from backing her then to ripping her now.

In response to that final sentence, you're off in describing me as "backing her then." I back her now. I'm going to turn in a ballot voting for her tomorrow. This is what my support looks like when I am backing a flawed candidate.

Building off of that to address the rest of what is quoted here... I'll simply say that my avatar has not been Draymond Green choking Rudy Gobert for the past year simply because Green and Steph Curry are my favorite players. I do have some self-awareness. :cool:
Honestly, you seem to be overestimating Trump's popularity. He barely beat Clinton and he has never won the popular vote. After four years of his chaos, people were ready for a change. Yes, COVID helped but it was more like the dingleberry on top of a shit cake.

Furthermore, polls have been showing for years now that even a generic Democrat polled better Trump. If Biden didn't look embalmed during the debate, he would've easily been leading Trump in the polls.
 

Costanza

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Honestly, you seem to be overestimating Trump's popularity. He barely beat Clinton and he has never won the popular vote. After four years of his chaos, people were ready for a change. Yes, COVID helped but it was more like the dingleberry on top of a shit cake.

Furthermore, polls have been showing for years now that even a generic Democrat polled better Trump. If Biden didn't look embalmed during the debate, he would've easily been leading Trump in the polls.

I'm not overestimating his popularity. We have the numbers, we can quantify it. I'm not arguing he was hugely popular but in 2020, even after Covid and the absolute shitshow his leadership was during it, if you flip just 43,000 votes, which is only 2/3rds or the smallest NFL stadium, Mr. Drink Bleach would have been re-elected.

That's not an estimate, that's not my judgement. It's an objective fact.
 

Costanza

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I'm posting my prediction tonight or some time tomorrow... I'm actually going to look at numbers and information so I'm not sure where I'll land but I don't think it will be this positive...
 

Piff Henderson

Stage Manager of Stage Managers
BGOL Investor
I'm not overestimating his popularity. We have the numbers, we can quantify it. I'm not arguing he was hugely popular but in 2020, even after Covid and the absolute shitshow his leadership was during it, if you flip just 43,000 votes, which is only 2/3rds or the smallest NFL stadium, Mr. Drink Bleach would have been re-elected.

That's not an estimate, that's not my judgement. It's an objective fact.
Saying Trump would've won if not for COVID is not an objective fact though. That is your opinion and I'm free to disagree with it. I never disputed the margin of victory Biden had in PA, WI, and MI.

Furthermore, Trump won by a razor thin margin in 2016. If Clinton had won the aforementioned 3 states, she would've won the election. She only lost them by a combined 80,000 votes. To put that in perspective, Kamala had 75,000 people attend her speech on the Ellipse.
 

easy_b

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Saying Trump would've won if not for COVID is not an objective fact though. That is your opinion and I'm free to disagree with it. I never disputed the margin of victory Biden had in PA, WI, and MI.

Furthermore, Trump won by a razor thin margin in 2016. If Clinton had won the aforementioned 3 states, she would've won the election. She only lost them by a combined 80,000 votes. To put that in perspective, Kamala had 75,000 people attend her speech on the Ellipse.
There is definitely more pull for Kamala than it was for Hillary You could easily see that with the early votes. White women seeing what happened when they sit home or voted for Trump in 2016 and they don’t want to go through that again hopefully
 

Piff Henderson

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BGOL Investor
There is definitely more pull for Kamala than it was for Hillary You could easily see that with the early votes. White women seeing what happened when they sit home or voted for Trump in 2016 and they don’t want to go through that again hopefully
I agree but Clinton was a terrible campaigner. She didn't even go to Wisconsin once and she barely campaigned in Michigan. She also did nothing to motivate Black voters and young voters. Trump didn't win in 2016, Clinton lost.
 

easy_b

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BGOL Investor
I agree but Clinton was a terrible campaigner. She didn't even go to Wisconsin once and she barely campaigned in Michigan. She also did nothing to motivate Black voters and young voters. Trump didn't win in 2016, Clinton lost.
She still got a decent amount of black folks because we knew her husband. But I agree she was not a good campaigner Kamala. Reminds me of a female version of Obama around the edges. Also, she used a lot of Obama tools for this run for the White House. Hillary, for some dumb reason didn’t want Obama that much into her campaign, which also hurt her a little bit.
 

Piff Henderson

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BGOL Investor
She still got a decent amount of black folks because we knew her husband. But I agree she was not a good campaigner Kamala. Reminds me of a female version of Obama around the edges. Also, she used a lot of Obama tools for this run for the White House. Hillary, for some dumb reason didn’t want Obama that much into her campaign, which also hurt her a little bit.
She was still hurt over losing the primary to Obama. That's why she didn't want him to be a prominent figure in her campaign.
 

Costanza

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I'm not overestimating his popularity. We have the numbers, we can quantify it. I'm not arguing he was hugely popular but in 2020, even after Covid and the absolute shitshow his leadership was during it, if you flip just 43,000 votes, which is only 2/3rds or the smallest NFL stadium, Mr. Drink Bleach would have been re-elected.

That's not an estimate, that's not my judgement. It's an objective fact.
Saying Trump would've won if not for COVID is not an objective fact though. That is your opinion and I'm free to disagree with it. I never disputed the margin of victory Biden had in PA, WI, and MI.

Furthermore, Trump won by a razor thin margin in 2016. If Clinton had won the aforementioned 3 states, she would've won the election. She only lost them by a combined 80,000 votes. To put that in perspective, Kamala had 75,000 people attend her speech on the Ellipse.

You gotta re-read my post. I did say that Trump won because of covid in my initial exchange but that opinion was not included in the statement which I called objective fact.

Trump won and lost by razor thin margins in 2016 & 2020. Both are true statements.

I think from that fact it is pretty obvious that he would have won without covid, which you're of course free to disagree with. But, yes, that's subjective and I never said otherwise. The subjective assertion was a cherry on top of the main objectively true point that Biden barely beat Trump last time.
 
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