Wild video shows NYC bodega worker allegedly stabbing man to death. Update 7/11 New footage. Girlfriend going to jail

Mixd

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Why are folks quick to bring up a person who didn't have weapons as if this makes them less of a threat, in the real world there is no way for a person who is under attack to properly conclude the attacker's intentions or whether or not he was armed or not.
When it comes to self-defense the biggest factor is whether or not the guy under attack felt like his life was in danger, and according to that video I, and most people, can see why he felt endangered by that idiot.
Freddy is right.

You cannot assume "force" may be used.
You can only meet force with equal force.

The only other factor was that that dude came around the counter. If he broke into that area then that's probably a crime committed as trespassing.

This is a business. If that dude presented a weapon and you defended your life then OK. But pushing him and fighting him with no weapon, he gonna have an uphill battle.
 

34real

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That's not self defense,that's murder plain and simple.

Self Defense is when you match someone's threat against you with the same threat and one of you is injured or killed because of it.

Old man should of called the police and the Boyfriend should of stayed his dumb dead ass home and he would of still been alive.
 

Deezz

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Shouldn't have stuck his neck out for her.
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doe moe

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Let’s see how nyc will rule this.. they are very tricky when it comes to self defense.. maybe he gets a reduce charge, maybe they talk about his knife being larger than the approved size , maybe they claim excessive force due to arm vs unarmed, maybe they let him walk..nyc rules make it a toss up.. this is not a stand your grand state, always remember that
The aggressor is black, you already know were NYC stands on black men.

Store clerk walks free with huge community support.
 

diamond4981

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fussing in a bodega for snacks when your wearing a designer shirt. If it was real at least. But dude was behind the counter after that its curtains for the customer.
 

RUDY RAYYY MO

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That's not self defense,that's murder plain and simple.

Self Defense is when you match someone's threat against you with the same threat and one of you is injured or killed because of it.

Old man should of called the police and the Boyfriend should of stayed his dumb dead ass home and he would of still been alive.
I don't like you
 

Fright Night

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I don’t know if it was self defense

other than pushing him he didn’t do anything else physical…. his life wasn’t in danger

So if I come to your job, cross the customer boundaries, and attack u it's all good right. U really can't do shit is what you saying.
 

SIDESHOW

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Dude has a designer shirt on but his triflin ass hoe doesn’t have have money for some snacks? There very well is probably more to the story than we know right now, but the bottom line is that he had no business going behind the counter. Fuck him and chic
 
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TheAlias

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Weak niggas allowing women to put a battery in thier backs with their imagination.

No different from grade school. Immature girl didn't like what you said? "Imma get my brother and cousins and em to beat you up"

Wonder if rethought his actions as his breath escaped through the wound in his neck.

We call this getting elected in a landslide.
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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Why are folks quick to bring up a person who didn't have weapons as if this makes them less of a threat, in the real world there is no way for a person who is under attack to properly conclude the attacker's intentions or whether or not he was armed or not.
When it comes to self-defense the biggest factor is whether or not the guy under attack felt like his life was in danger, and according to that video I, and most people, can see why he felt endangered by that idiot.

Hey Im just saying how the DA gonna try and flip it... that bruh been around too many chicks,

you can do all that gettin in somebodys face just yappin,,

dont work like that in the streets.. you jump in a dudes face,

you better be READY... dude obviously was never in a street altercation

before, he left himself open for so many one hitter quitters when he was pullin up

his pants... like he was 16 years old..I dont like talkin about the deceased but,

there is a lot that can be learned from this..
 

ghoststrike

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That's not self defense,that's murder plain and simple.

Self Defense is when you match someone's threat against you with the same threat and one of you is injured or killed because of it.

Old man should of called the police and the Boyfriend should of stayed his dumb dead ass home and he would of still been alive.

That's an unrealistic real word definition of self-defense when a total stranger lays hands on a person, especially in a restricted area. Dummy had it coming.

So the old man was supposed to chill and see how much further this goes after being shoved hard into a shelf then snatched up for more pummeling? The real world doesn't work like that.
 

RoadRage

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New York State Law: Self-Defense

Self-defense is described in Article 35 of New York’s Penal Law Code. It is also known as “justification,” and describes when defendants are reasonably “justified” in using physical or deadly force to defend themselves.


NY Penal Law 35.15 states:


…a person may use physical force upon another individual when, and to the extent that, he/she reasonably believes it to be necessary to defend himself/herself [or someone else] from what he/she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of [unlawful] physical force by such individual.


Justification defines non-lethal “physical force” and “deadly force.” It also describes where it can be reasonably asserted to protect:



  • themselves or others,
  • homes or premises,
  • and to prevent criminal mischief.

Justification is proportional, however, and so much depends on reasonable belief. If an unarmed aggressor punched or kicked you, a jury might sympathize if you punched or kicked back; but if you retaliated with a gun, the jury may believe you reacted disproportionately and unreasonably.


The same can generally be said for retaliating against a verbal threat with physical force. Someone saying they will burn your house down does not constitute an imminent threat and will not make you justified (nor reasonable) in using physical force to harm them.


Assessing imminent danger and retaliation is challenging (and that’s why we have criminal trials) because there are so many factors to consider. Article 35 has been amended and updated several times over the years to address all the variables and will likely continue.
The thing about this particular case is the history of bodega workers being attacked not to mention the high rate of robberies and the assumption that people who are brasin enough to jump the counter past the particion can be percived as an immediate threat as opposed to a person popping shit from the other side.
Basically jumping over the counter to attack someone is tantumount to jumping into someones home to attack.
 

RoadRage

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Hey Im just saying how the DA gonna try and flip it... that bruh been around too many chicks,

you can do all that gettin in somebodys face just yappin,,

dont work like that in the streets.. you jump in a dudes face,

you better be READY... dude obviously was never in a street altercation

before, he left himself open for so many one hitter quitters when he was pullin up

his pants... like he was 16 years old..I dont like talkin about the deceased but,

there is a lot that can be learned from this..
Hey, that's the D.A. job, but I'd be shocked (especially in this era of high crime) that the judge or anyone else would buy that bullshit.
 

34real

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That's an unrealistic real word definition of self-defense when a total stranger lays hands on a person, especially in a restricted area. Dummy had it coming.

So the old man was supposed to chill and see how much further this goes after being shoved hard into a shelf then snatched up for more pummeling? The real world doesn't work like that.
This is NewYork state and it doesn't go like it does in other states...it's not about the real world but the law.

The old man should of dialed 9-1-1

Kid Creole a famous rapper was found guilty and he said he was defending himself by stabbing a man,he's going to prison cause that self defense justification didn't work.
 

phanatic

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The police hasn't said what, but exactly about but it's over more than chips. That's probably is why.
I've been going to papi stores since I was a child. At no point did I ever have a reason to have an altercation with papi.
 

November 17

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The thing about this particular case is the history of bodega workers being attacked not to mention the high rate of robberies and the assumption that people who are brasin enough to jump the counter past the particion can be percived as an immediate threat as opposed to a person popping shit from the other side.
Basically jumping over the counter to attack someone is tantumount to jumping into someones home to attack.

This case will be for the jury to determine however, the prosecution may ask:

Mr. Alba, at any time did the perpetrator branish a weapon when he confronted you?
The defense would have to convince the jury that there was an imminent threat to his life.

§ 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.

2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person
under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:

(a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is using or
about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the
actor may not use deadly physical force if he or she knows that with
complete personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the
necessity of so doing by retreating; except that the actor is under no
duty to retreat if he or she is:
 

ghoststrike

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This is NewYork state and it doesn't go like it does in other states...it's not about the real world but the law.

The old man should of dialed 9-1-1

Kid Creole a famous rapper was found guilty and he said he was defending himself by stabbing a man,he's going to prison cause that self defense justification didn't work.

It's not clear if he had time to dial 9-1-1 vid. It's possible he might get manslaughter or not depending on the rest of the footage. I doubt the murder charge sticks. But we'll see.
 

cnc

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This is NewYork state and it doesn't go like it does in other states...it's not about the real world but the law.

The old man should of dialed 9-1-1

Kid Creole a famous rapper was found guilty and he said he was defending himself by stabbing a man,he's going to prison cause that self defense justification didn't work.
He should have called 911 while he was in a confined space being attacked after the assailant charged into his work area with no warning? The fuck was he supposed to do, yell “Hey Siri, call 911”?
 

RoadRage

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This case will be for the jury to determine however, the prosecution may ask:

Mr. Alba, at any time did the perpetrator branish a weapon when he confronted you?
The defense would have to convince the jury that there was an imminent threat to his life.

§ 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.

2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person
under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:

(a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is using or
about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the
actor may not use deadly physical force if he or she knows that with
complete personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the
necessity of so doing by retreating; except that the actor is under no
duty to retreat if he or she is:
If he were on the street you could make this argument, but him jumping over the divider like that in an area that is known for bodega workers getting robbed and killed, nullifies most of that shit you typed.
 

eagle force

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So this dusty ass negro went into the store to defend his woman honor and lost his life over a bag of chips?
Nothing to see here
 

34real

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It's not clear if he had time to dial 9-1-1 vid. It's possible he might get manslaughter or not depending on the rest of the footage. I doubt the murder charge sticks. But we'll see.
He should have called 911 while he was in a confined space being attacked after the assailant charged into his work area with no warning? The fuck was he supposed to do, yell “Hey Siri, call 911”?
This one example of how that self defense probably will turn out....this is recent.16years Kid Creole will have to do and it happened in 2017 and Kid is 62yrs old.
 

Studio718

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the NY Post is a Piece of shit...
The Bodega worker snatched the bag of chips from the little girl and her mom got upset about it.
went to get her boyfriend who asked the bodega worker to apologize.

funny how they conveniently leave all that out
 

OutlawR.O.C.

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I'm not going to celebrate that brothers demise or make light of it but to be honest after watching that video he earned that murder :smh:
 

Studio718

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The prosecutor might argue that the bodega owner had time to think about going for the knife.
look at the video. after he got pushed down, dude turns away from him and talks to someone at the counter.
this is when he went for the knife, that's not self defense.
if he had the knife and stated dude while being beaten...thats self defense.
his actions were excessive and NYC is going to throw the books at him.
 
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