After two losses to Trump, what should the Democratic Party strategy be moving forward?

[Costanza]

Democrats have work to do. They need to build a coalition that’s not always 2 points from losing to MAGA. But I don’t see Republicans internalizing that this was a narrow victory in a historically anti-incumbent year. Many presidencies have faltered by misreading an anti-incumbent mood as a sweeping ideological mandate.



“This is the trap that our 21st-century presidents have tended to fall into. They win elections because their opponents were unpopular, and then—imagining the public has endorsed their party activists’ agenda—they use the power of their office to make themselves unpopular. This is why the public moved left on key issues during Trump’s first term and right during Biden’s.”

What Trump’s Win Doesn’t Mean

The public continues to reject what both parties offer.

thedispatch.com

 

[dasmybikepunk]

Stop lying for the black vote! And abandoning black people as soon as they get into office. (Period)

 

[COINTELPRO]

Here's me talking to Larry Merchant but how I deal with lawless, criminal Democrats

"Secondly, the quickness so that the opponent doesn't see the punch and that's what knocks him out, he is not prepared for it."

 

[Heavenlywings77]

I don’t think the hostility towards LGBTQ people has ever been justified.

I think the most hostile people are probably closeted to some extent.

I’m not saying it should be okay to post gay porn here but there is a lot of political and cultural discourse on this board and there’s no reason pro-LGBTQ acceptance should be out of bounds. Awareness is a good thing and promoted on dozens of issues.

I really believe that the only people who have a problem with it are afraid of their own unresolved issues. I’m totally straight and LGBTQ acceptance or a bi/gay person posting here doesn’t hurt me one bit.

I'm only asking if BGOL is the place where LGBQT politics and awareness should be tolerated

 

[xfactor]

reading through the replies, the D1s have learned NOTHING lol

they think they ran a flawless campaign and people are too dumb to see it's brilliance



oh well, try again in 4 more years

Another sign of how delusional they’ve gotten. There are several posts of the shills claiming that Harris “ran an excellent campaign”.

Now, it shows that it ran a losing campaign that is millions in debt and blew money paying for celebrity endorsements.

You can’t make this shit up

 

[COINTELPRO]

It is a way to reject them, without telling them Hell No. Too many lawless criminal Democrats to tank your brand image.

Another Democrat mayor taking kickbacks was just indicted

Mississippi District Attorney, Mayor of Jackson, and Jackson City Council Member Charged with Bribery and Other Offenses

An indictment was unsealed today in the Southern District of Mississippi charging Hinds County District Attorney, Jody E. Owens II, 43; Mayor of Jackson, Mississippi, Chokwe Antar Lumumba, 41; and former President and current member of the Jackson City Council, Aaron Banks, 47, all of Jackson...

www.justice.gov

I can't setup a business with lawless nonsense all the time. If there is kickbacks, murder isn't far behind.

 

[geechiedan]

Drop having Black folks twerk on stage. Dems need to also get tough on immigration. Need to be business friendly. They need conservative values its a new day.

conservatives values include no reparations for slavery and no policy exclusively for blacks only. Do you agree with those as well???

 

[julian]

The strategy should be do absolutely nothing the next 2 years. Let this shit explode,let them self destruct. Then in 2026 make it plane what will happen in order to fix this shit storm. 1. Expand the Supreme Ct 2. Eliminate the electoral college 3. Elimitate the filibuster 4.Create,fund and set up reparations panels. Put it too the voters in 2026 so if they want it fixed this will be the path nothing less and when the house and Senate flip then begin the process to 2028 to get Newsome or Moore elected President to enact those previous items. other than those MAJOR changes fuck this entire thing let Trump burn it all down.

 

[Duece]

Drop having Black folks twerk on stage. Dems need to also get tough on immigration. Need to be business friendly. They need conservative values its a new day.

No BGOL with conservative values, Spencer.

 

[Soul On Ice]

well as long as republicans stay in power whats the chances of reparations advancing in any real way??

the same as odds as when the Dems were in power I suppose?

 

[geechiedan]

the same as odds as when the Dems were in power I suppose?

if you really believed that then you wouldn't be happy that the republicans are back in power. If one is no better than the other then your response and opinion would be this not

 

[Soul On Ice]

I'd also like to add, maybe stop with the fake ass outrage?
"Whats a Black job?!"
"What do you mean a roast comedian told a mean joke, I'm so outraged!"

You look stupid and obviously are just grasping for straws. Sensible people are put off by it.

 

[lazarus]

well as long as republicans stay in power whats the chances of reparations advancing in any real way??

doesn't matter who's in charge until we have power. you still think it's two sides to be on and the side you're on don't give a shit about you. it's a fight between two white brothers, your black ass is just his pet when he needs a vote.

you need to capitalize off this fight instead of pretending you're included in it cause you're not. they will never accept you, they don't respect you, and never will.

 

[lazarus]

Stop lying for the black vote! And abandoning black people as soon as they get into office. (Period)

nice words.

they're not going to listen.

you still voting for them in 2028?

this is what happens when you have no leverage.

 

[lazarus]

The strategy should be do absolutely nothing the next 2 years. Let this shit explode,let them self destruct. Then in 2026 make it plane what will happen in order to fix this shit storm. 1. Expand the Supreme Ct 2. Eliminate the electoral college 3. Elimitate the filibuster 4.Create,fund and set up reparations panels. Put it too the voters in 2026 so if they want it fixed this will be the path nothing less and when the house and Senate flip then begin the process to 2028 to get Newsome or Moore elected President to enact those previous items. other than those MAJOR changes fuck this entire thing let Trump burn it all down.

you know damn well they ain't doing none of that shit.

you'll vote for them in 2028 , they'll take your vote again, and you're ain't getting shit again

 

[Costanza]

I'd also like to add, maybe stop with the fake ass outrage?
"Whats a Black job?!"
"What do you mean a roast comedian told a mean joke, I'm so outraged!"

You look stupid and obviously are just grasping for straws. Sensible people are put off by it.

The "black job" shit was the dumbest political rhetoric since "binders full of women" was universally decried as outrageous.

I thought calling Puerto Rico trash at a political event was legitimately offensive. The fact that a comedian said it doesn't matter.

 

[Costanza]

“If you've got nothing good to say, don't say anything at all”

We might have found the dumbest post election take.



Then she tops it off with “Pardon Hunter”!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Democratic party should be moving towards

Kamalas house to get some

Of those nasty tub greens

She was tawkin bout

They deserve that they should be forced to eat it

Like many were forced to be labratS

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

Country won’t elect a woman

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

which is why we'll either sit out and vote republican/independent again in 2028

Hopefully you’ll still have your voting rights by then

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Stop lying for the black vote! And abandoning black people as soon as they get into office. (Period)

Black people don’t have money. They are voters (for now) but they don’t control industries. We aren’t even on boardrooms of industries. Shit, we don’t even cater the events and I’m not certain if we even clean the rooms.

Moving forward, if the Democratic Party wants to pretend they care about Black voters in the party, there needs to be an agenda about getting Black apathetic absentee voters to engage. One obvious way to do it is to cut the check. Give these people their money. If Elon can pretend to give voters money, surely a rich non elected person should engage in the same behavior.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

The strategy should be do absolutely nothing the next 2 years. Let this shit explode,let them self destruct. Then in 2026 make it plane what will happen in order to fix this shit storm. 1. Expand the Supreme Ct 2. Eliminate the electoral college 3. Elimitate the filibuster 4.Create,fund and set up reparations panels. Put it too the voters in 2026 so if they want it fixed this will be the path nothing less and when the house and Senate flip then begin the process to 2028 to get Newsome or Moore elected President to enact those previous items. other than those MAJOR changes fuck this entire thing let Trump burn it all down.

Voters don’t give a shit about the Supreme Court. Why hasn’t Thurgood Marshall retire? Is it because he’s black? I would run a commercial highlighting the 1,000 rich people that own 99% of the economy. Highlight there are 10000 people in a zip code with Ante Up playing in the background.

 

[AllUniverse17]

Black people don’t have money. They are voters (for now) but they don’t control industries. We aren’t even on boardrooms of industries. Shit, we don’t even cater the events and I’m not certain if we even clean the rooms.

Moving forward, if the Democratic Party wants to pretend they care about Black voters in the party, there needs to be an agenda about getting Black apathetic absentee voters to engage. One obvious way to do it is to cut the check. Give these people their money. If Elon can pretend to give voters money, surely a rich non elected person should engage in the same behavior.

What does cutting the check mean concretely?

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

“If you've got nothing good to say, don't say anything at all”

We might have found the dumbest post election take.



Then she tops it off with “Pardon Hunter”!!!!!!!!!

Some black women need to read the room.

What does cutting the check mean concretely?

Americans don’t care about policy. Cut the check!

 

[geechiedan]

“If you've got nothing good to say, don't say anything at all”

We might have found the dumbest post election take.



Then she tops it off with “Pardon Hunter”!!!!!!!!!

may as well since we're giving passes to felons and all.

 

[moblack]

What does cutting the check mean concretely?

If they can give money to illegal immigrants in New York you can give money to Black American citizens. Everybody can get money etc but when it comes to our demographic folks start stuttering.

 

[AllUniverse17]

If they can give money to illegal immigrants in New York you can give money to Black American citizens. Everybody can get money etc but when it comes to our demographic folks start stuttering.

So talk to me. Because of course saying "cut the check" is big picture. How you would like to see it happen more specifically?

 

[gtg305h]

Elie Mystal has the right approach.

If everyone can say "The NEW thing I'm learning is: ..." we can have a much more productive conversation.






^^^ This is some really smart shit, worth thinking about.

This Eli guy is an idiot that looks like somebody's lesbian aunt, he said nothing of real substance, just blaming Trump voters for voting for Trump instead of reflecting on the debauchery of the Democratic party's approach...and you have dumb niggas that agree with this logic, Dems will never win again with that pussified thinking

 

[julian]

you know damn well they ain't doing none of that shit.

you'll vote for them in 2028 , they'll take your vote again, and you're ain't getting shit again

personally im done,I have fought argued explained and even begged people to vote for there interests. Im tired and done. I actually am voting against my own personal interests when I vote Dem beacuse of my income brackett.the tax cuts benefit me and Im not in a reality where the other issues actually affect me. So fuck it im not fighting harder for you than you r willing to fight. If people dont care why should those who arent really harmed by Trump or GOP policies.I have benefited from 1 Dem President and that was Obama with his small minority business grant that my company qualified for which was almost $2m that expanded my contracts and allowed us to stay in business until 2014 and then sell it other than him and that policy none of them helped me personally but my taxes were lower under Bush and Trump. Three r a lot of Dem voters who are done until the politicians actually do what we need them to do otherwise fuck them let Trump burn this bitch down.

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

What they need to do is stop letting Republicans control the narrative.

For instance, Trump convinced the nation one of their biggest threats was guys who think they're girls going into a woman's restroom. Democrats responded by talking about tolerance, rights and unity.

Instead, what if Harris had asked "how many of you even know a trans person? How many of your child's friends are on puberty blockers? I've made my stance on these issues very clear, but for now let me ask, what has Trump done about the rising tide of white supremacy?"

Trump hammered illegal immigration. Democrats responded by talking about the cruelty of kids engages and how his wall wouldn't work.

Instead, what if Harris had asked "how many of you have illegal immigrants living on your street? If you do, have they made your life any worse? If you passed one on the sidewalk would you even know? My stance is clear and you can disagree all you want, but for now let's talk about how Republicans have enabled pharmaceutical companies to sell opiates to our children."

Messaging

 

[moblack]

So talk to me. Because of course saying "cut the check" is big picture. How you would like to see it happen more specifically?

The same amount they writing checks to the illegals give the same checks to the citizens of the community. Odd how easy it is to write a check to illegals but we need a plan for citizens to get the same amount.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

Democrats lost the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. They had over a Billion dollars in their campaign which was way more than Trump, but lost. Harris lost both the Electoral and the popular vote.


Instead of really looking at themselves (Biden's low approval ratings as President, switching out candidates months before the election, and their unpopular stances) they lash out with shame and fear.


The bottom line is that they need to reevaluate their positions. The majority of America does not agree with their stances. They need to take a more moderate position. They need to engage black, white and latino voters. The shame and fear game will work with some voters, but not the majority of voters. They also need to prepare new candidates. Some of these old guard candidates seem entitled for playing the game rather than actually being good candidates. trump was a bad candidate, but better than Hillary(very disliked), Biden(mental acuity is diminished), Harris(last minute, black woman who was inexperienced and attached to Biden), or Gavin Newsom(horrible reputation, untrustworthy energy, and Governor of a very unpopular state.


Mark my words, Newsom will lose to the Republican candidate if he is the Democratic candidate.

 

[geechiedan]

Democrats lost the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. They had over a Billion dollars in their campaign which was way more than Trump, but lost. Harris lost both the Electoral and the popular vote.


Instead of really looking at themselves (Biden's low approval ratings as President, switching out candidates months before the election, and their unpopular stances) they lash out with shame and fear.


The bottom line is that they need to reevaluate their positions. The majority of America does not agree with their stances. They need to take a more moderate position. They need to engage black, white and latino voters. The shame and fear game will work with some voters, but not the majority of voters. They also need to prepare new candidates. Some of these old guard candidates seem entitled for playing the game rather than actually being good candidates. trump was a bad candidate, but better than Hillary(very disliked), Biden(mental acuity is diminished), Harris(last minute, black woman who was inexperienced and attached to Biden), or Gavin Newsom(horrible reputation, untrustworthy energy, and Governor of a very unpopular state.


Mark my words, Newsom will lose to the Republican candidate if he is the Democratic candidate.

theire not going to turn their backs on LGBT and immigrants.

 

[moblack]

theire not going to turn their backs on LGBT and immigrants.

I'm surprised they haven't created their own party. That would shake up things.

 

[geechiedan]

I'm surprised they haven't created their own party. That would shake up things.

they have one..the GREEN PARTY..

https://www.gp.org/platform