After two losses to Trump, what should the Democratic Party strategy be moving forward?
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You can't use polling to pick primary winners and losers. A primary uses actual votes to pick a candidate, Kamala Harris was in a primary and performed dismally. I feel sorry for her that she was misled into believing in that she had a chance to win.
Because Trump pushes the lie that transgenderism and illegal immigration are the two biggest concerns in the country. Democrats take the bait by humoring that lie and debunking the obvious bullshit coming out of Trump's mouth.
Instead change the subject. Take control of the conversation. Talk about things that are important to everyone, or at least most of us. Attacking white supremacist militias is just one subject out of many.
I mean they had the White House and half the legislature and they're playing not to lose against the guy who lost the last election. What sense does that make?
Correct. It is part of a playbook that low IQ voters fall for every election. Whether it’s Reagan and his welfare queens, Bush and Willie Horton, Bush 2 and gay marriage and now Trump and his BS republicons use minor stories and blow them up into national crisis that the media covers as a food fight for ratings. Dems spend too much time addressing the hot issue of the day thus giving the media and republicons exactly what they want. A distraction from the real issues that impact people’s daily lives that if addressed would actually sway voters to the Dem side and fix the problems that most impact daily life like environment, food, housing, education and crime, including being robbed by corporations and employers of pay and benefits. But hey the border! But only the southern one.
The "Democrats need a liberal Joe Rogan" discourse is stupid. Rogan is a famous comedian, reality TV host, and MMA commentator who built a huge audience unique to him. It wasn't a liberal or conservative project. We should go on Rogan not think we need to invent a new one. Democrats have a different media problem, which is that Republicans have invested tons of money and time into building a right-wing media ecosystem. It's not just Fox News, it's The Federalist, Breitbart, the Free Beacon, etc... Democrats need to invest time and money into growing progressive media. Trump is constantly doing interviews with right-wing outlets and hosts that liberals have never heard of, while progressive networks like @CrookedMedia are treated like an afterthought because campaigns think, we have those voters locked down, rather than being creative about how to amplify content from progressive outlets or use those platforms to turn people into volunteers and evangelists. Yes, I am saying this from a selfish perspective as a host of @PodSaveAmerica, but it's frustrating to have built an independent media company and show with a huge audience only to have it ignored.
Racism and sexism. And of course straight up stupidity played a big part.
Illegal immigration is absolutely one of the biggest concerns in the country, are you kidding? And democrats let it happen - I'd argue encouraged it - on their watch.
I've never in my life seen a white supremacist militia with my own eyes. I see migrants every single day when I leave the crib.
Migrant crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report
Federal spending on migrants has increased by 45 percent since 2017, topping $150B according to a watchdog group.
nypost.com
The eye-watering financial cost of the migrant crisis hit $150 billion last year and is causing devastating consequences for residents of hard-hit cities struggling to cope with the influx, The Post has learned.
Of that figure, calculated by Washington DC-based non-profit Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), $67 billion came from the federal government, but the majority of the burden was shouldered by states and local governments.
- Denver City Council has to cut $45 million from its budget, including $8.4m from it Police Department and $2.5m from the Fire Department to pay an estimated $90m bill for migrants.
- New York City is spending $2.3 billion in costs for housing migrants alone in 2023 and 2024, resulting in city agencies having to cut costs by 5%.
- In South Portland, Maine, property taxes have increased to pay for the migrant crisis and the mayor has advised elderly residents to re-mortgage their houses to pay them
- Chicago faces a $1 billion budget gap, partly over migrant services, which it is now scrambling to make up.
Who controls the narratives? The Dutch got the hell out of Brazil because of the narrative. The Press, Radio, and now the Internet are tools used at its inception by the rich to set narrative. You cannot fight indoctrination with facts. That’s not in the DNA of “Narrative”.
Their isms is because they’re stupid.
What is tarnation made you believe white women or anyone not from your community give a fuck about you? Y’all really believe white women really give a shit about the 19th amendment? Y’all really think white women are interested in working? That’s what yall believed?
You might have seen these members of these militias wearing their Camp Auschwitz t-shirts at the January 6th riot. Perhaps you saw footage of the cops arresting people with pipe bombs and maps of the DC electrical subsystems in their trucks. You also might remember Parkland where a militia member shot up a building full of children. This is why the FBI has declared white supremacist militias the biggest domestic terrorist threat in America.
Ever seen a caravan of illegal migrants do something like that?
You might not have seen these thugs in real life, but I have. They threw a Charlottesville style rally in Chrissy field. The city of San Francisco rose up and chased them out of town. The proud boys came out a couple years later to throw a rally in front of Twitter headquarters. They left stage with missing teeth.
The right likes to portray the left as San Franciscan soy boy weirdos who don't know which bathroom to use. This is how you change the subject and counter the narrative. Say "Mr Trump. Your stance on illegal immigrants is well known, now let's talk about the folks you told to stand back and stand by."
Gov. Greg Abbott sends five more buses of migrants to New York, escalating feud with Mayor Eric Adams
The policy is an expansion of the governor’s plan to antagonize President Joe Biden over border security by busing migrants entering Texas to Washington, D.C., but research suggests the policy could allow more migrants to stay in the country even longer.
www.texastribune.org
Gov. Greg Abbott sends five more buses of migrants to New York, escalating feud with Mayor Eric Adams
The policy is an expansion of the governor’s plan to antagonize President Joe Biden over border security by busing migrants entering Texas to Washington, D.C., but research suggests the policy could allow more migrants to stay in the country even longer.
Sanctuary city - Wikipedia
Per your source up 45 percent since 2017. Who was President then? Republicans used the border they broke to drive a narrative. To create a distraction. So you post this as a counter to me not recognizing it supports my point. Good job.
Migrant crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report
Federal spending on migrants has increased by 45 percent since 2017, topping $150B according to a watchdog group.
The eye-watering financial cost of the migrant crisis hit $150 billion last year and is causing devastating consequences for residents of hard-hit cities struggling to cope with the influx, The Post has learned.
Of that figure, calculated by Washington DC-based non-profit Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), $67 billion came from the federal government, but the majority of the burden was shouldered by states and local governments.
- Denver City Council has to cut $45 million from its budget, including $8.4m from it Police Department and $2.5m from the Fire Department to pay an estimated $90m bill for migrants.
- New York City is spending $2.3 billion in costs for housing migrants alone in 2023 and 2024, resulting in city agencies having to cut costs by 5%.
- In South Portland, Maine, property taxes have increased to pay for the migrant crisis and the mayor has advised elderly residents to re-mortgage their houses to pay them
- Chicago faces a $1 billion budget gap, partly over migrant services, which it is now scrambling to make up.
Sanctuary city - Wikipedia
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What does this have to do with anything? If he had thrown them back over the border there wouldn't had been an overwhelming increase of illegals in those states. He basically created the immigration issue and blamed the democrats for it.
He's absolutely correct, the left needs to build an online media machine like the right has, but the only problem is that Progressive media build their fanbase and make their money by criticizing the Dems. That's their signature.
Progressives don't have a party per se. It's part Green party, part Dems, part Independent,
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What does this have to do with anything? If he had thrown them back over the border there wouldn't had been an overwhelming increase of illegals in those states. He basically created the immigration issue and blamed the democrats for it.
Supreme Court allows federal agents to cut razor wire Texas installed on US-Mexico border
A divided Supreme Court on Monday allowed Border Patrol agents to resume cutting for now razor wire that Texas installed along a stretch of the U.S.-Mexico border that is at the center of an escalating standoff between the Biden administration and the state over immigration enforcement."In New York City more than 210,000 migrants have traveled to the city since the spring of 2022.
The overall costs to house asylum seekers per night is $352 and spending for 2023 and 2024 is set to surpass a staggering $2.3 billion.
To pay for it Mayor Eric Adams announced budget cuts at the end of 2023 of 5% across all city agencies."
"a distraction"
Created by Republicans. Now you getting it. Good job."In New York City more than 210,000 migrants have traveled to the city since the spring of 2022.
The overall costs to house asylum seekers per night is $352 and spending for 2023 and 2024 is set to surpass a staggering $2.3 billion.
To pay for it Mayor Eric Adams announced budget cuts at the end of 2023 of 5% across all city agencies."
"a distraction"
Glaude is the epitome of a sellout.
"In New York City more than 210,000 migrants have traveled to the city since the spring of 2022.
The overall costs to house asylum seekers per night is $352 and spending for 2023 and 2024 is set to surpass a staggering $2.3 billion.
To pay for it Mayor Eric Adams announced budget cuts at the end of 2023 of 5% across all city agencies."
"a distraction"
New York City has 8.2 million people. 210,000 would represent a 3% population increase over 2 years.
But it's lower than that, because by now many of those asylum seekers died, got deported, or moved to a different city.
It's a moot point anyway because asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. They're waiting for the day in court to see if they qualify for naturalization.
They don't become illegal immigrants unless they are issued a deportation order and refuse to leave.
So of course Donald Trump is planning to increase funding to immigration courts and hire more judges so these cases don't drag on for months and years.
Just kidding.
Watch this:
“But when you have a Democratic party who won't even just loudly run on a $15 minimum wage...Forget Medicare for all. Forget Gaza. Forget all the things I care deeply about. I want to see the alternate reality where Kamala Harris...said: 'If there's one goddamn thing I do, I'm gonna raise the minimum wage..."
“But when you have a Democratic party who won't even just loudly run on a $15 minimum wage...Forget Medicare for all. Forget Gaza. Forget all the things I care deeply about. I want to see the alternate reality where Kamala Harris...said: 'If there's one goddamn thing I do, I'm gonna raise the minimum wage..."
Also free abortions for Men who can get pregnant
I agree people are overblowing the gay thing. However, immigration was a big issue.
I do know one thing dems need to stop coddling illegals, as in giving them free places to live, stipends, and free Healthcare. It pissed off a lot of folk and rightly so.
Polling in no way shows that it was the perception of the economy and not the actual economy that led people to vote for Trump. That is false.
Yes, a majority of white people voted for him. So did 1 in 3 voters of color. Donald Trump won with the most diverse, working-class coalition of any Republican candidate in our lifetimes.
That should be the Democratic coalition. Our agenda is better for working-class voters of all races. And our focus should be figuring out how to win back a multi-racial, working-class coalition that doesn't exclude anyone - or we will not hold power again, and we will not be able to improve the lives of the people we profess to care about.
You disagree???
This is like when you get lit up for going 40 over the limit. Do you come right out and tell the cop "yeah, I was feeling good. Had my music on 11, was dipping in and out of traffic and didn't even see ya buddy." Or do you make up some paper thin shit that sounds good??? CACs been saying it's everything but what it is for how long??? Remember the fuck shit they used to make up about hating Obama??? A tan suit??? Not having an American flag on a suit lapel??? His connection to to the preacher??? Forgot what his name was. White folks voted for Trump, cause they wasn't gonna vote for a woman first, and a black woman second. Everything else may have been A factor, but they wernt anywhere near as important as people like to present.