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blackpepper

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Way easier to defend than to attack. The historic ratio is 3 to 1 numerical advantage needed to actually mount a successful attack. That is the main reason you saw everyone from the FSB to Igor Girkin leaking things predicting defeat. The same reason you see the hardliners in Russia calling for more troops. The Russians got their asses beat with Soviet era weapons. It will be interesting to see what happens are more and more NATO gear works it way over there. The new gear and the acts of domestic sabotage in Russia will make the next few weeks very interesting especially given the logistical incompetence we have seen for the first 60+ days.
I know offense is way harder especially for a country with considerably less resources, but it seems like it would be worth a few efforts to let them know they can be touched. If it does nothing more than inform the average RU citizen that there's a real war going on and perhaps prove that their government isn't being truthful about the situation. :dunno:
 

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I know offense is way harder especially for a country with considerably less resources, but it seems like it would be worth a few efforts to let them know they can be touched. If it does nothing more than inform the average RU citizen that there's a real war going on and perhaps prove that their government isn't being truthful about the situation. :dunno:

100%. Notice the number of "random" fires that have been taking place over the last few weeks and increasing in frequency and intensity:







As for the Russian people, the real problem is the same one we have here unfortunately:


 

blackpepper

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100%. Notice the number of "random" fires that have been taking place over the last few weeks and increasing in frequency and intensity:

As for the Russian people, the real problem is the same one we have here unfortunately:

Yeah, I've heard about the fires and saboteurs running rampant in RU. But, that won't have the same impact in persuading people their country is at war, as incoming missiles will.
 

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Yeah, I've heard about the fires and saboteurs running rampant in RU. But, that won't have the same impact in persuading people their country is at war, as incoming missiles will.


yeah if i was ukraine
i would load up a few kamikaze volunteers
tell them their families would be well compensated
and have them fly a few bombing raids over russian territory

after the failure of this campaign
lets test their air defense
 

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Yeah, I've heard about the fires and saboteurs running rampant in RU. But, that won't have the same impact in persuading people their country is at war, as incoming missiles will.

man as crazy as this may sound, there’s a decent amount of support for this situation good and bad throughout Russia.

those that are against it feels like a Ukrainians are their family…… which in many cases is true

those that support it feels like they been pussyfooting with Ukraine…
They feel like, Kyiv should’ve been leveled
 

blackpepper

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yeah if i was ukraine
i would load up a few kamikaze volunteers
tell them their families would be well compensated
and have them fly a few bombing raids over russian territory

after the failure of this campaign
lets test their air defense
I think ukraine should do some night time Reaper drone attacks into RU. They are quiet, operate at high or low altitudes, and can be heavily armed with munitions.
 

blackpepper

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man as crazy as this may sound, there’s a decent amount of support for this situation good and bad throughout Russia.

those that are against it feels like a Ukrainians are their family…… which in many cases is true

those that support it feels like they been pussyfooting with Ukraine…
They feel like, Kyiv should’ve been leveled
We can't be really sure of what the typical russian thinks of this. There is no independent media there, and we know there is obvious coercion and duress being deployed to influence peoples' statements on this "Special Military Operation."
 

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Yeah, I've heard about the fires and saboteurs running rampant in RU. But, that won't have the same impact in persuading people their country is at war, as incoming missiles will.

Lots of the fires etc. are the work of Ukrainian saboteurs so they are following your advice just very discreetly.





Listen to some of the intercepted audio between the russian soldiers and their families. Imagine your typical fox news cac here but with less education and a government that is actually filtering the media/internet etc. :smh: :lol: Any direct attack on Russia will be blamed on NATO just like they are rationalizing the current deaths/equipment losses etc. as the product of a shadow army of elite NATO troops. :smh:
 

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They have all transitioned on to other more important things like trying to convince people not to vote. :smh: :lol:
Something happens to turn? You really are a fool. Russia conquered all land bordering the Black Sea, and they are on the verge of capturing the Donesk, which would lead to the capture of about 100,000 Ukrainian military. The war has turned, and it looks like it will be over soon

.But if you get your news from Twitter, where people are taking selfies in front of tanks, you think Ukraine is winning.

Carry on.
 

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Something happens to turn? You really are a fool. Russia conquered all land bordering the Black Sea, and they are on the verge of capturing the Donesk, which would lead to the capture of about 100,000 Ukrainian military. The war has turned, and it looks like it will be over soon

.But if you get your news from Twitter, where people are taking selfies in front of tanks, you think Ukraine is winning.

Carry on.

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Actually your suspicions are completely backwards.

The reason why you’re not hearing about the war in Ukraine like you used to is that the fact that should have been obvious to everyone from the start is happening now. Russia is winning, and the victory is inevitable. Expect the media to move on and pretend that there’s nothing to see there.

Sort of like what happened with Covid. Remember when they told us that everyone had to get vaccinated and boosted or the whole world would die. Well the government has moved on, and quietly ended all vaccine bans and is now allowing people to fly massless. What happened to all the science?

It’s sad how people are no longer able to see through government propaganda, unless it’s from the OTHER party.Democrats could see it as bright as day when Trump was in office. But now that Joe is in office, we call anyone who says anything against the government misinformation as “Pro-Russian.”

Notice how the only people criticizing the government now are right-wingers. They’re not able to see through the bullshit any clearer than the dems, they just don’t trust Joe Biden. If Trump was in office, he’d likely be doing the same thing, and every Democrat would be shouting from the hills how both the Covid vaccine be, and this Ukraine nonsense is garbage.

Joe Biden just put some woman in charge of rooting out “misinformation” from the media. Democrats are cheering. You do know that when a Republican becomes President one day HE will have control of that person. You never thought about that, did you?

This isn’t about voting, or politics. Our democracy is failing
 

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I bet y’all do need help
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Fierce fighting under way in Mariupol’s Azovstal plant, says Azov commander

Leader of Ukrainian forces says they are engaged in ‘difficult bloody battles’ against Russian troops, as another 344 civilians are evacuated
Jon Henley

Fierce fighting has continued inside Mariupol’s Azovstal steelworks, the commander of Ukrainian forces in the plant said, as more civilians fled the city on evacuation buses following weeks of brutal bombardment that have reduced much of it to rubble.

Ukrainian forces were fighting “difficult bloody battles” against Russian troops for a second day, Denys Prokopenko, commander of the Azov regiment, said in a brief video released on Telegram late on Wednesday.



“I am proud of my soldiers who are making superhuman efforts to contain the pressure of the enemy … the situation is extremely difficult,” commander Denis Prokopenko said.

Earlier on Wednesday, David Arakhamia, the head of Ukraine’s ruling party in parliament, told RFE/RL that Russian forces had entered the plant, but he said that the country’s government remained in contact with the Ukrainian troops staging a last stand.

The Kremlin’s official spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, denied reports that Moscow’s forces were trying to storm the plant. “The order was publicly given by [Vladimir Putin] to cancel the storming,” Peskov said. “There is no storming.”

Russia said its forces would cease firing at the factory on Thursday morning, and open a three-day humanitarian corridor for any civilians.

“The Russian armed forces will from 8am to 6pm (Moscow time, 0500 GMT to 1500 GMT) on May 5, 6 and 7 open a humanitarian corridor from the territory of the Azovstal metallurgical plant to evacuate civilians,” the defence ministry said.

“During this period, the Russian armed forces and formations of the Donetsk People’s Republic will unilaterally cease any hostilities.”

The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said in a national address on Wednesday night that another 344 people had been rescued from the centre of Mariupol and its suburbs on Wednesday.

Zelenskiy said negotiations continued to rescue people trapped in the Azovstal steel works. “There are still civilians. Women, children,” he added.

It is not known whether any of the civilians trapped in the works, where about 200 people – including 30 -children – remain, were among those who got out on Wednesday..

On Tuesday, the Ukrainian MP Kira Rudik said 156 people had managed to leave Mariupol and reach the relative safety of Zaporizhzhia, 140 miles (230km) away, after at least 20 failed attempts to evacuate civilians from the Azovstal site.

She told Sky News the main goal of aid workers “is to make sure we get out all the children”, adding: “It’s about 30 children who are still there. The most complicated step would be with the wounded soldiers, because Russia is not allowing them to get out.”

Russia’s defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, said the remaining Ukrainian forces in the plant were “securely blocked along the entire perimeter”. He claimed repeated proposals to “release civilians and lay down their arms” had been ignored.

Ukraine on Wednesday accused Moscow of planning to stage a military parade in Mariupol on 9 May, when Russia traditionally celebrates its victory over the Nazis in the second world war with processions in dozens of cities.

“Mariupol will become a centre of ‘celebration’,” Ukraine’s military intelligence said in a statement on social media. “The central streets of the city are urgently being cleaned of debris, bodies and unexploded ordnance.”

It said an official from Russia’s presidential administration had already arrived in the city, now almost entirely under Russian control, for a “large-scale propaganda campaign. Russians will be shown stories of locals’ ‘joy’ at meeting the occupiers.”

Azovstal evacuees who arrived in Zaporizhzhia were emotional. “We are so thankful for everyone who helped. There was a moment we lost hope, we thought everyone forgot about us,” said Anna Zaitseva, holding her six-month-old baby.

Elyna Tsybulchenko, 54, said Russian forces “bombed like every second”. “Everything shook. Dogs barked and children screamed,” she told Agence France-Presse. “The hardest moment was when we were told our bunker would not survive a direct hit.”

Ukrainian evacuee describes months of horror inside Azovstal bunker – video
After failing to capture Kyiv, Moscow has refocused its efforts on gaining full control of Luhansk and Donetsk, which make up the eastern Donbas region, and securing a southern land corridor via Mariupol to occupied Crimea.

Ukraine’s defence ministry said Russia was raising the tempo of its offensive and that it had conducted nearly 50 airstrikes on Tuesday. A ministry spokesperson, Oleksandr Motuzyanyk, said artillery bombardments and airstrikes were also continuing on the Azovstal plant.

On Wednesday both sides reported Russian strikes on key transport infrastructure around the western city of Lviv, near Poland, and in Transcarpathia, bordering Hungary.

There were also fears the conflict could spill over into neighbouring Moldova. The European Council president, Charles Michel, offered the republic the EU’s “full solidarity” and support. “We plan to significantly increase our support to Moldova by providing its armed forces with additional military equipment,” he said during a visit.


Russia’s defence ministry said it had disabled six railway stations in eastern Ukraine used to supply Ukrainian forces with western-made weapons; hit 40 Ukrainian military targets including four ammunition and arms depots; and fired two cruise missiles at military targets from a submarine in the Black Sea.

Moscow had deployed 22 battalion tactical groups near the eastern Ukrainian town of Izium, apparently in a drive to capture the nearby cities of Kramatorsk and Severodonetsk in Donbas, British military intelligence said.

Shoigu said his forces would consider Nato transport units carrying weapons in Ukraine as targets to be destroyed. The alliance has said individual member states are sending military supplies, but not troops.

The defence ministry of neighbouring, pro-Russia Belarus has announced military drills, saying they posed no threat, but Ukraine’s border service said it could not exclude the possibility Belarusian forces might join Russia’s assault. “We are ready,” a spokesperson said.

Ukraine remains defiant. “Russia struggles to advance and suffers terrible losses,” the foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, tweeted. “Thus the desperate missile terror across Ukraine. But we are not afraid and the world should not be afraid either.”


Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has abruptly transformed the world. Millions of people have already fled. A new Iron Curtain is grinding into place. An economic war deepens, as the military conflict escalates, civilian casualties rise and evidence of horrific war crimes mounts.

It’s our job at the Guardian to decipher a rapidly changing landscape, particularly when it involves a mounting refugee crisis and the risk of unthinkable escalation. Our correspondents are on the ground in Ukraine and throughout the globe delivering round-the-clock reporting and analysis during this perilous situation.

We know there is no substitute for being there – and we’ll stay on the ground, as we did during the 1917 Russian Revolution, the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the first Russo-Ukrainian conflict in 2014. We have an illustrious, 200-year history of reporting throughout Europe in times of upheaval, peace and everything in between. We won’t let up now.

Tens of millions have placed their trust in the Guardian’s fearless journalism since we started publishing 200 years ago, turning to us in moments of crisis, uncertainty, solidarity and hope. We’d like to invite you to join more than 1.5 million supporters from 180 countries who now power us financially – keeping us open to all, and fiercely independent.
 

blackpepper

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Actually your suspicions are completely backwards.

The reason why you’re not hearing about the war in Ukraine like you used to is that the fact that should have been obvious to everyone from the start is happening now. Russia is winning, and the victory is inevitable. Expect the media to move on and pretend that there’s nothing to see there.

Sort of like what happened with Covid. Remember when they told us that everyone had to get vaccinated and boosted or the whole world would die. Well the government has moved on, and quietly ended all vaccine bans and is now allowing people to fly massless. What happened to all the science?

It’s sad how people are no longer able to see through government propaganda, unless it’s from the OTHER party.Democrats could see it as bright as day when Trump was in office. But now that Joe is in office, we call anyone who says anything against the government misinformation as “Pro-Russian.”

Notice how the only people criticizing the government now are right-wingers. They’re not able to see through the bullshit any clearer than the dems, they just don’t trust Joe Biden. If Trump was in office, he’d likely be doing the same thing, and every Democrat would be shouting from the hills how both the Covid vaccine be, and this Ukraine nonsense is garbage.

Joe Biden just put some woman in charge of rooting out “misinformation” from the media. Democrats are cheering. You do know that when a Republican becomes President one day HE will have control of that person. You never thought about that, did you?

This isn’t about voting, or politics. Our democracy is failing
So, are you now saying both sides are the same, and or equally bad?
 

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So, are you now saying both sides are the same, and or equally bad?
I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying that both sides are so busy trying to fight each other that BOTH are allowing the government to distort facts. When it’s your side distorting the facts you cheer them on, and troll the other side.

All the while the jokes one everyone who plays into the game.

During Covid, we cheered on a policy that involved injecting a completely new substance into 200 million Americans. There was no debate, and there were plenty of questions about both it’s efficacy and safety, which were never answered. Any doctor that said anything different from the official government policy was cancelled and banned from speaking. And every Democrat marched in lock step behind their President, because they didn’t want to let the other side win. They trolled the Republicans who were skeptical as “anti-science”, even though there was plenty ofscientific evidence in their favor.

But it was a dem in office, so they were winning.

Now the US is launching a strategy towards Russia that is bringing us closer to nuclear annihilation than we’ve been since the fall of the Berlin Wall, and everyone is cheering it on social media. When someone says, whoa hold on what are we doing here - they’re called pro-Russian. Again, no debate here.

And we now have a government official in charge of stopping all debate in the media, because to challenge what the government is doing is “misinformation.”

This is not about the Democrats or Republicans, or which party policy’s you like better. The fact is that both parties want to remove debate, and have a President of their party dictate these important decisions.

This is the exact opposite of democracy. People should be skeptical of government, and challenge everything it does. Make the government take th time to debate and prove that their actions are in the peoples best interest.

That’s not what we have now, with either party.

I know you asked the question because you want to say “see you are a Trumper.” The fact is I am not. Have never voted Republican in my life, nor do I ever expect to.

If I would have told you all the above 5 years ago, you would have told me that was impossible in the US. Yet here we are.
 

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I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying that both sides are so busy trying to fight each other that BOTH are allowing the government to distort facts. When it’s your side distorting the facts you cheer them on, and troll the other side.

All the while the jokes one everyone who plays into the game.

During Covid, we cheered on a policy that involved injecting a completely new substance into 200 million Americans. There was no debate, and there were plenty of questions about both it’s efficacy and safety, which were never answered. Any doctor that said anything different from the official government policy was cancelled and banned from speaking. And every Democrat marched in lock step behind their President, because they didn’t want to let the other side win. They trolled the Republicans who were skeptical as “anti-science”, even though there was plenty ofscientific evidence in their favor.

But it was a dem in office, so they were winning.

Now the US is launching a strategy towards Russia that is bringing us closer to nuclear annihilation than we’ve been since the fall of the Berlin Wall, and everyone is cheering it on social media. When someone says, whoa hold on what are we doing here - they’re called pro-Russian. Again, no debate here.

And we now have a government official in charge of stopping all debate in the media, because to challenge what the government is doing is “misinformation.”

This is not about the Democrats or Republicans, or which party policy’s you like better. The fact is that both parties want to remove debate, and have a President of their party dictate these important decisions.

This is the exact opposite of democracy. People should be skeptical of government, and challenge everything it does. Make the government take th time to debate and prove that their actions are in the peoples best interest.

That’s not what we have now, with either party.

I know you asked the question because you want to say “see you are a Trumper.” The fact is I am not. Have never voted Republican in my life, nor do I ever expect to.

If I would have told you all the above 5 years ago, you would have told me that was impossible in the US. Yet here we are.
I still kind of feel you saying the equivalent of "both sides". Unfortunately, it is about Ds or Rs because, there are no other viable third parties on the national level so it is either one or the other. The only other option is neither, which as a black man benefits the party that is most likely to disenfranchise me the worst. So yes, we have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

On covid, there was debate on the vaccines and therapies, but they were obscured by efforts of the party in power at the onset to politicize the pandemic ("china virus" and "play it down") and the failure of their leadership to clearly articulate a reasonable response. You heard trump talking during those news conferences and updates. He made no sense whatsoever, and then we learned that his party leaders were trading on their inside knowledge of the likely economic fallout.

On the current eastern european war, perhaps we are closer to a nuclear conflict than in many decades, but is the US threatening to launch first? Is our country supposed to just walk away every time RU mentions their nuclear arsenal? Do you not believe they attempted to hack the us elections, and had some success influencing its outcome in behalf of one side vs the other? That's OK though? If they're allowed to take ukraine with ease do you think they'll stop there, or would they be emboldened and enriched to do more damage to the US's interest in the near future?

Although it was a long time ago, I actually have voted for a Republican.





 

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I still kind of feel you saying the equivalent of "both sides". Unfortunately, it is about Ds or Rs because, there are no other viable third parties on the national level so it is either one or the other. The only other option is neither, which as a black man benefits the party that is most likely to disenfranchise me the worst. So yes, we have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

On covid, there was debate on the vaccines and therapies, but they were obscured by efforts of the party in power at the onset to politicize the pandemic ("china virus" and "play it down") and the failure of their leadership to clearly articulate a reasonable response. You heard trump talking during those news conferences and updates. He made no sense whatsoever, and then we learned that his party leaders were trading on their inside knowledge of the likely economic fallout.

On the current eastern european war, perhaps we are closer to a nuclear conflict than in many decades, but is the US threatening to launch first? Is our country supposed to just walk away every time RU mentions their nuclear arsenal? Do you not believe they attempted to hack the us elections, and had some success influencing its outcome in behalf of one side vs the other? That's OK though? If they're allowed to take ukraine with ease do you think they'll stop there, or would they be emboldened and enriched to do more damage to the US's interest in the near future?

Although it was a long time ago, I actually have voted for a Republican.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I don’t disagree with much of what you say above. My point is do you see how easy it is for you to see how Trump’s misinformation on Covid hurt the public? Republicans don’t see it at all. They think that Trump did the right thing and what you said above about Trump and Covid is misinformation.

Similarly, Democrats are completely unable to see the horrible job Biden/Fauci did of blinding people to the limitations and dangers of the vaccines. Republicans like Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan can see this as bright as day.

We’ve been told, choose a side Joe Biden or Trump, and ride with them all the way. We should all reject this premise.

Why can’t we pressure Joe Biden to make sure he tells the public the truth? That’s not being pro Trump.

As far as your questions of what should we do with Ukraine, I think the answer is clear - do everything we can to ratchet down the rhetoric and get things back to where they used to be. End this game of chicken that we’re playing.

Given all the mistakes made up until this point, there is no outcome that will be seen as a “win” for the US. Negotiate a treaty with Russia that splits up Ukraine, and promise to never allow it into NATO.

Then immediately open up diplomatic channels to improve relations with Russia as we lift sanctions, and work over the next decade to normalize relations with Russia. Put an end to the Cold War for good.

Short term, the Twitter trolls will be mad. And the pro-Putin folks will be gleeful. Who gives a fuck. The long term security of the world would be restored.
 

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... Democrats are completely unable to see the horrible job Biden/Fauci did of blinding people to the limitations and dangers of the vaccines. Republicans like Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan can see this as bright as day. We’ve been told, choose a side Joe Biden or Trump, and ride with them all the way. We should all reject this premise. Why can’t we pressure Joe Biden to make sure he tells the public the truth?
This statement seems a little disjointed, but do you honestly think biden is doing a worse job than trump at messaging about covid? Who doesn't understand that the vaccines aren't perfect, and that even with them people can still get sick or worse? Its clear that the vaccines help people have milder cases, and they are thus less likely to be hospitalized or die from the virus. Compare that message to trump's endorsement of hydroxychloroquine. Its not even close. trump is on the record saying he intentionally down played it. So, specifically, what truth is biden withholding?
... As far as your questions of what should we do with Ukraine, I think the answer is clear - do everything we can to ratchet down the rhetoric and get things back to where they used to be. End this game of chicken that we’re playing.
Not sure there's any way to "get things back to where they used to be". Lives have been lost and others ruined. Many billions of dollars and rubles worth of assets have been completely destroyed. I get that its not exactly our fight, and there are nazis over there, but RU has been a sworn enemy of the US for my entire life, and under the leadership of its current head of state is as much a threat as ever. They started the game of chicken by flooring their accelerator at ukraine, but we know they won't stop even if ukraine swerves. They'll simply use ukraine's resources to further turbocharge their war machine for a run at the next target. Do you honestly think appeasement will work with that regime?
Given all the mistakes made up until this point, there is no outcome that will be seen as a “win” for the US.
You are correct, the US wont win, and they don't need to because they aren't even at war. Let RU tell it they aren't at war either. Do you really believe the US would be in a better national security and diplomatic position if they step back an allow RU to swallow ukraine?
 

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So, specifically, what truth is biden withholding?
Most people believe that the pushing the Covid vaccine as a mandate was overall a good idea. But pushing the Covid vaccine was done when there was substantial evidence that the harms outweighed the gains for millions of people. Now new studies are confirming that. A new Danish study, which looked at millions of people have determined that you were more likely to die if you took the Phizer vaccine than if you didn’t.

I’m sure news of the above study is shocking to you, and you probably suspect that it’s fake news. It’s not, and it’s been covered all over the globe. Why hasn’t Biden talked about this? Why is he still pushing kids to get vaccinated.

There are many other examples.

Do you honestly think appeasement will work with that regime?

I think it’s our best option.

I disagree with your contention that Russia has plans to continue to invade and take over the world.

It’s what we said about Saddam Hussein, Vietnam, and others. It’s the de facto argument for war.

I, and many others, believe that Russia was scared of having a NATO power at its border, and they put a stop to it.

I think diplomacy is the better way, and not escalation. You disagree, I know. Let’s agree to disagree

Do you really believe the US would be in a better national security and diplomatic position if they step back an allow RU to swallow ukraine?

Conventional wisdom is that Russia will swallow Ukraine, whether we allow it to or not.

This statement seems a little disjointed, but do you honestly think biden is doing a worse job than trump at messaging about covid? Who doesn't understand that the vaccines aren't perfect, and that even with them people can still get sick or worse? Its clear that the vaccines help people have milder cases, and they are thus less likely to be hospitalized or die from the virus. Compare that message to trump's endorsement of hydroxychloroquine. Its not even close. trump is on the record saying he intentionally down played it. So, specifically, what truth is biden withholding?

Not sure there's any way to
"get things back to where they used to be". Lives have been lost and others ruined. Many billions of dollars and rubles worth of assets have been completely destroyed. I get that its not exactly our fight, and there are nazis over there, but RU has been a sworn enemy of the US for my entire life, and under the leadership of its current head of state is as much a threat as ever. They started the game of chicken by flooring their accelerator at ukraine, but we know they won't stop even if ukraine swerves. They'll simply use ukraine's resources to further turbocharge their war machine for a run at the next target. Do you honestly think appeasement will work with that regime?

You are correct, the US wont win, and they don't need to because they aren't even at war. Let RU tell it they aren't at war either. Do you really believe the US would be in a better national security and diplomatic position if they step back an allow RU to swallow ukraine?
 

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So, specifically, what truth is biden withholding?
... Why hasn’t Biden talked about this? Why is he still pushing kids to get vaccinated.
Why hasn't biden talked about the results of one foreign vaccine study, lol, probably because he isn't a doctor. The best medical minds in our country (of which many are black) are convinced and doing everything they can to convince everyone here that people are better protected from severe covid illness if they're vaccinated. If you want to believe the Danes that wrote that paper, fine. I don't. You would have him go out on a limb and reference some one off medical study, like trump did for hydroxicloiquine. Again, lol.

Do you honestly think appeasement will work with that regime?
... I disagree with your contention that Russia has plans to continue to invade and take over the world. It’s what we said about Saddam Hussein, Vietnam, and others. It’s the de facto argument for war. I, and many others, believe that Russia was scared of having a NATO power at its border, and they put a stop to it. I think diplomacy is the better way, and not escalation. You disagree, I know. Let’s agree to disagree
RU didn't stop with crimea. You believe in diplomacy, but the russian president doesn't, or he would have continued to negotiate in stead of bombing. Call me crazy, but that seems like escalation to me. Why is he so afraid of Nato? Could it have anything to do with the relatively liberal freedoms many in member states enjoy with open descent and criticism of their governments, along with a free press? Also, have you forgotten the targets of the RU troll farms? It was black people that they tried to convince not to vote.
Do you really believe the US would be in a better national security and diplomatic position if they step back an allow RU to swallow ukraine?
Conventional wisdom is that Russia will swallow Ukraine, whether we allow it to or not.
They may swallow ukraine, but it will be at a great cost, that theoretically dissuades them from trying to swallow their other neighbors any time soon. :yes:
 

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Damn I wonder how these dude died… gun shots, shelling, missiles strikes
Likely shelling because they looked buried



 

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How do you always find this shit? I would posit that reality is the opposite of whatever is posted. Case in point,



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Just be reading the comments before twitter ask me to login…

them folks be going hard on each other

so to be honest, I technically only can see about three post on an account…

I been tempted to signup but I ain’t fucking with that shit…

By shit what do u mean…like what do u see when you read what I post?
just curious
 

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Just be reading the comments before twitter ask me to login…

them folks be going hard on each other

so to be honest, I technically only can see about three post on an account…

I been tempted to signup but I ain’t fucking with that shit…

By shit what do u mean…like what do u see when you read what I post?
just curious

Just use something like mailinator and make an account. Some of the pro russian sources will seem "OK" at first but when you look closer they are always formerly anti-vaccine/pro trump etc. bullshit accounts. Also, anything with kadyrov95 on it is Kadyrov propaganda directly from him. He is still posting fake images/videos of him in Ukraine. :lol: The best "pro" russian accounts are all on telegram and they are always super pessimistic.
 

Mask

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Just use something like mailinator and make an account. Some of the pro russian sources will seem "OK" at first but when you look closer they are always formerly anti-vaccine/pro trump etc. bullshit accounts. Also, anything with kadyrov95 on it is Kadyrov propaganda directly from him. He is still posting fake images/videos of him in Ukraine. :lol: The best "pro" russian accounts are all on telegram and they are always super pessimistic.

I only can imagine how crazy some of those account is… I don’t have a seasoned eye or anything but find my self laughing at some one sided material, over the last few weeks.

old dude still talking, many wondering if they lying or not. Especially since they have showed any video. Apparently they captured the former general from Canada but folks not believing it.

I think someone of great importance is down there.

there was a guy on twitter stating something big will come out about Azovstal. This was Around the time, Russia was retreating from Northern areas are Kiyv. Kinda when everyone was focus on the bodies in Bucha.

shorty after that Twitter blocked his account


fast forward to now and

So I’m not sure what he meant but Azovstal has been nothing short of interesting.


 

zod16

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I only can imagine how crazy some of those account is… I don’t have a seasoned eye or anything but find my self laughing at some one sided material, over the last few weeks.

old dude still talking, many wondering if they lying or not. Especially since they have showed any video. Apparently they captured the former general from Canada but folks not believing it.

I think someone of great importance is down there.

there was a guy on twitter stating something big will come out about Azovstal. This was Around the time, Russia was retreating from Northern areas are Kiyv. Kinda when everyone was focus on the bodies in Bucha.

shorty after that Twitter blocked his account


fast forward to now and

So I’m not sure what he meant but Azovstal has been nothing short of interesting.




I don't believe they caught anyone or else they would be parading them around already like they have with regular captured Western troops. It makes no sense that they would hype up unknown POWs but not generals etc. This is the plan for May 9th:

They wouldn't need to do this if they actually captured somebody big.

Notice that the russians follow the domestic nut job (Qanon, MAGA) playbook because they are the ones who wrote it. Every single day the Russians announce an imminent defeat, capture etc. and nothing happens. They quickly move on to the next thing as if they didn't just falsely predict some catastrophic event. Literally the same playbook as our idiots here.

As for Azovstal, the real question is how did we end up focusing on this bullshit? :lol: Russia has gone from we will quickly take Kyiv and replace the Nazi friendly government to we actually planned a 70 day + standoff at a steel plant in Mauripol. :smh: What happened to the search for the Hunter Biden led nazi covid labs? :lol:

They are focusing on Mauripol because they probably will be able to declare "victory" there by May 9th. They are already changing things to Russian and have filtration camps in place. They will systematically "liberate" the Ukrainians by forcibly deporting them to rural russia while bringing in ethnic russians to take their place in Ukraine. In a few months time, they will hold "referendums" in which the new russian inhabitants will vote for "independence" from Ukraine which will be promptly recognized by the russians. Rinse and repeat for any territory they capture and hold on to.


 
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