CAMRON says he prefers to use the term Black American over African American because "Africans don't even f**k with us."

[4 Dimensional]

yet thats NOT what they teach in public schools. What they want to you to believe (especially in florida) is that the BENEFIT of slavery is that it taught us a skill! And they got coon as black professors to sign off on that bullshit and these dumbasses on this board BELIEVE that shit too.

The american school system has for the last 100 years has taught black folk that their history BEGINS here and everything they are comes from HERE..its sad but not shocking that you see these statements.







You dont know because you havent been told...WHY HAVENT YOU BEEN TOLD????? Why in the 21st century are they STILL not trying to tell you??

what kind of society would do that to its own people???

 

[geechiedan]

Public schools are meant to indoctrinate the children of the poor to the social hierarchy. Private schools are meant to maintain the appearance of the social hierarchy. If you show any semblance of brain activity, you are separated from your people over and over again until it’s only you in a room of white people where you will repeat the indoctrination and maintain the social hierarchy.

That is the problem of this Cam, this thread, and the majority of the responses in it. If you don’t know the truth, you’re left arguing feelings. You can’t go rebuttal any facts against feelings. It is a waste of good time. Cam is not a scholar. Mase is not a scholar. These people should not be looked at as authorities on anything but gate-jumping drug addicts with IBS and openly blaspheming pastors from the late 90s.

 

[TENT]

Nigga stop that bullshit. Slavery in america ended in 1865.. nigga you are literally just 4 generation removed from that and probably just one or two more generations before that removed from the West Africans you derived from walking off a slave boat into the colonies or Caribbean! and youre saying you have as much to do with that as you do with APES from 5-6 MILLION YEARS AGO?!?!

tell you what...make that african/ape remark in front of non black people and see what reaction you get.

somethng like this...

And here we go again with this you know nothing about your African Hertiage just like the "white" man born in Italy does.

Ok lets go down this logic road...

you meet this guy

he's an orphan born in america...never knew his parents..raised by whites lived in Utah all his life.

You and him talk and you bring up that he's asian...he says very firmly "I'm NOT asian..I'm YELLOW.

you look at him and say..dude I'm pretty sure you're Asian... He yells back "I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ASIA! DONT NO ANYTHNG ABOUT ASIA! I DONT SPEAK NO ASIAN LANGUAGE! FUCK ASIA! I'M A YELLOW-AMERICA! I'D RATHER FILL IN YELLOW THAN ASIAN AMERICAN. CUZ ASIANS DONT FUCK WITH US!*

THATS WHAT I BELIEVE! THATS HOW I FEEL AND THATS WHAT I IDENTIFY AS!

you see how absurd this conversation becomes the more it keeps going??

And the reaction to it would be

Do you actually proof read the shit you post??? And you niggas co-sign this shit?!?


My thoughts on that is those were horrible people who owe African Americans reparations as much as the US. But if your belief is that because they did that then its true and real and enduring.....

Well once those west africans arrived in the new world they were told and shown they werent human beings

Illustration from Types of Mankind (1854), whose authors Josiah Clark Nott and George Robins Gliddon implied that "Negroes" were a creational rank between "Greeks" and chimpanzees.

going by what youve established....whats your thoughts on that??? Is it true, real and enduring????



I think its weird that you DONT notice that black is term those same white people gave us too... but thats just me






*direct quote from camron.

Man. You should have just asked me what I meant instead of running off with your misunderstanding.
I clearly mentioned apes because it is a classification. Human Beings are APES.
We evolved from a common ancestor that we share with other primates but we are apes/primates still.
We do not use that classification in everyday language even though that is what we are.

The Black American is descended from African ancestors but so is every human being on Earth.
However Italians do not call themselves African even though they are.
Indians do not call themselves African even though they are and some of them are BLACKER than many Africans today.

Hope that is more clear for you.

 

[geechiedan]

Man. You should have just asked me what I meant instead of running off with your misunderstanding.
I clearly mentioned apes because it is a classification. Human Beings are APES.
We evolved from a common ancestor that we share with other primates but we are apes/primates still.
We do not use that classification in everyday language even though that is what we are.

The Black American is descended from African ancestors but so is every human being on Earth.
However Italians do not call themselves African even though they are.
Indians do not call themselves African even though they are and some of them are BLACKER than many Africans today.

Hope that is more clear for you.

what youre saying is ridiculous and I addressed why...reread it.

 

[footloose]

Tribalism is completely natural. Pick a species and they exhibit “tribalism”. The concept of nation is a relatively new idea sorta like race. By the same people too. These guys drew imaginary lines that grouped wasps and bees together and stepped back and feigned bewilderment at every moment of “tribalism”.

African Americans being distrustful of other negroes isn’t new. It was Phillip Randolph and WEB Dubois that got Marcus Garvey up and out of here. Now if I could be a troublemaking negro for a moment and point out that all those good negroes that liberated their nation came from Howard University. All of them. Eric Williams, Kwame, etc. When you think of all the “intellectual giants” out of Trinidad, they all hung around Howard. Eric, CLR James,

Tribalism is natural. But it’s also primitive. The idea of white race is actually genius cause it eliminated any tribalism amoung Europeans in America and made one big group to maintain power.

 

[geechiedan]

Tribalism is completely natural. Pick a species and they exhibit “tribalism”. The concept of nation is a relatively new idea sorta like race. By the same people too. These guys drew imaginary lines that grouped wasps and bees together and stepped back and feigned bewilderment at every moment of “tribalism”.

African Americans being distrustful of other negroes isn’t new. It was Phillip Randolph and WEB Dubois that got Marcus Garvey up and out of here. Now if I could be a troublemaking negro for a moment and point out that all those good negroes that liberated their nation came from Howard University. All of them. Eric Williams, Kwame, etc. When you think of all the “intellectual giants” out of Trinidad, they all hung around Howard. Eric, CLR James,

 

[footloose]

Nigga stop that bullshit. Slavery in america ended in 1865.. nigga you are literally just 4 generation removed from that and probably just one or two more generations before that removed from the West Africans you derived from walking off a slave boat into the colonies or Caribbean! and youre saying you have as much to do with that as you do with APES from 5-6 MILLION YEARS AGO?!?!

tell you what...make that african/ape remark in front of non black people and see what reaction you get.

somethng like this...

And here we go again with this you know nothing about your African Hertiage just like the "white" man born in Italy does.

Ok lets go down this logic road...

you meet this guy

he's an orphan born in america...never knew his parents..raised by whites lived in Utah all his life.

You and him talk and you bring up that he's asian...he says very firmly "I'm NOT asian..I'm YELLOW.

you look at him and say..dude I'm pretty sure you're Asian... He yells back "I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ASIA! DONT NO ANYTHNG ABOUT ASIA! I DONT SPEAK NO ASIAN LANGUAGE! FUCK ASIA! I'M A YELLOW-AMERICA! I'D RATHER FILL IN YELLOW THAN ASIAN AMERICAN. CUZ ASIANS DONT FUCK WITH US!*

THATS WHAT I BELIEVE! THATS HOW I FEEL AND THATS WHAT I IDENTIFY AS!

you see how absurd this conversation becomes the more it keeps going??

And the reaction to it would be

Do you actually proof read the shit you post??? And you niggas co-sign this shit?!?


My thoughts on that is those were horrible people who owe African Americans reparations as much as the US. But if your belief is that because they did that then its true and real and enduring.....

Well once those west africans arrived in the new world they were told and shown they werent human beings

Illustration from Types of Mankind (1854), whose authors Josiah Clark Nott and George Robins Gliddon implied that "Negroes" were a creational rank between "Greeks" and chimpanzees.

going by what youve established....whats your thoughts on that??? Is it true, real and enduring????



I think its weird that you DONT notice that black is term those same white people gave us too... but thats just me






*direct quote from camron.

That’s apples and oranges. But I know y’all carribean really cleave on to African culture. But We done started a whole new culture in America.

 

[footloose]

Tribalism was eliminated where now? I thought Russia just tried to annex Ukraine. When you read history books and in these towns with race riots, why do you think folks were rioting?

In America. When you check a box it’s just white.
Then it’s
Hispanic
African
Black
Jamaican
There is no Scottish, Irish, italian, Jewish, British options.
So when I say white that’s an American thing.

 

[4 Dimensional]

The last dude you quoted in your last post is a college professor. A college professor.

Amajorfuc is a very knowledgeable guy but seems to post a lot of African American nationalistic things. He hasn’t explained where he inherited this disdain yet. I would have thought he would’ve been able to withstand something like that. But you never know exactly how and when they started developing those sentiments until they specifically what triggered them.

Amazing.

 

[geechiedan]

That’s apples and oranges. But I know y’all carribean really cleave on to African culture. But We done started a whole new culture in America.

I know...I posted on that..

The stripping of identity isn't a normal function of slavery as an institution. Mainly because slaves are usually taken and trafficked in the region they live. Today,, slaves in parts of africa that still allow it know who they are and where they come from. A unique aspect of the atlantic slave trade was that the victims of it were stripped of their identities in the new world. Thats something that happened once they arrived in the Caribbean and colonies.

As fucked over as native groups were in their lands (Native Americans, Aborigines (Australia), Ainu (Japan) central and south American peoples, Filipinos (south east Asians) etc) they still had some connection to their original identities, culture, language, religion even if they had to mask it in cac shit. In fact its been noted that the slave rebellions in the Caribbean were successful because those enslaved people had a stronger connection to their African identity more so than the mainland American slaves. Even as they used European religion and culture as a cover (Santeria for example).

Being stripped of the knowledge of who you are and where you come from is more psychologically damaging that losing your freedom. (see the reasonings black folks been giving in this thread)

 

[footloose]

I know...I posted on that..

And somebody else brought this up. Here we got black history month. Not no African history month. We got hbcu s. Not hacu s. The history and modern day contribution to society we’ve done here outweighs anything in Africa. Now that I think about it it’s ass backwards to be African American.

 

[PDQ21]

Tent u wildin

Confessions Of Fire is trash

Purple Haze is the classic

And SDE is a street banger

 

[geechiedan]

And somebody else brought this up. Here we got black history month. Not no African history month. We got hbcu s. Not hacu s. The history and modern day contribution to society we’ve done here outweighs anything in Africa. Now that I think about it it’s ass backwards to be African American.

I'm telling you you're more than just black and I get called a racist and fool for saying it. What kind of matrix are we living in????

I honestly don't know what you all's issue is with it other than deep seated hurt feelings which everyone here clearly has.

The lineage and heritage of the people that came from those west African countries and tribes are expressed thru YOU in your walk and talk and how you move thru life...those people survived hell on earth only to have their descendants REJECT them and say they have NOTHING to do with any that.

And its FUCKED UP that we don't know the specifics of our heritage. Its truly and literally a crime against humanity but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist it just means we don't know. You all are playing semantics and word games in an effort to reject something that's rightfully yours.

you said:

The history and modern day contribution to society we’ve done here outweighs anything in Africa.

Non-Stop just posted :

Pick a crop, and you can back trace where you came from. Just like CACs destroyed the buffalo in America and now everything in the oceans, they did the same to the folks of Gambia and Senegal. They wanted rice and kept going back to get the people that did rice.

the HISTORY of those contributions came from people in specific countries in west africa that had skills in agriculture and blacksmithing, woodworking etc and those skills are the ones that built this country. Skills YOUR people had before they even got here and you refuse to acknowledge even that much. Musical rhythms, dances, a way of speaking...hell the sense of COOL you express is rooted in West Africa. All of that made its way thru to their descendants who today CONTEND that it came from nowhere. West Africa comes out of your pours and you dont even recognize it.

You said it yourself...your people came into existence in 1865. So you agree that slavery was BENEFICIAL for you because it taught you how to do things and whites gave you civilization and religion and language and culture right?? Cuz you didnt get it from the West Africans. CACs instilled those attributes in you...those people brought here from west Africa have no factor in any of that. Thats why Black Americans achievements in America outweighs ANYTHING in Africa...because its a competition (where'd that mentality come from?)



this debate is not new

 

[footloose]

I'm telling you you're more than just black and I get called a racist and fool for saying it. What kind of matrix are we living in????

I honestly don't know what you all's issue is with it other than deep seated hurt feelings which everyone here clearly has.

The lineage and heritage of the people that came from those west African countries and tribes are expressed thru YOU in your walk and talk and how you move thru life...those people survived hell on earth only to have their descendants REJECT them and say they have NOTHING to do with any that.

And its FUCKED UP that we don't know the specifics of our heritage. Its truly and literally a crime against humanity but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist it just means we don't know. You all are playing semantics and word games in an effort to reject something that's rightfully yours.

you said:

Non-Stop just posted :

the HISTORY of those contributions came from people in specific countries in west africa that had skills in agriculture and blacksmithing, woodworking etc and those skills are the ones that built this country. Skills YOUR people had before they even got here and you refuse to acknowledge even that much. Musical rhythms, dances, a way of speaking...hell the sense of COOL you express is rooted in West Africa. All of that made its way thru to their descendants who today CONTEND that it came from nowhere. West Africa comes out of your pours and you dont even recognize it.

You said it yourself...your people came into existence in 1865. So you agree that slavery was BENEFICIAL for you because it taught you how to do things and whites gave you civilization and religion and language and culture right?? Cuz you didnt get it from the West Africans. CACs instilled those attributes in you...those people brought here from west Africa have no factor in any of that. Thats why Black Americans achievements in America outweighs ANYTHING in Africa...because its a competition (where'd that mentality come from?)



this debate is not new

Yeah we’re more than black. We’re American.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Yeah we’re more than black. We’re American.

lmao.

 

[rrebelrrabbi]

If gas gon be ignorant

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

I'm telling you you're more than just black and I get called a racist and fool for saying it. What kind of matrix are we living in????

I honestly don't know what you all's issue is with it other than deep seated hurt feelings which everyone here clearly has.

The lineage and heritage of the people that came from those west African countries and tribes are expressed thru YOU in your walk and talk and how you move thru life...those people survived hell on earth only to have their descendants REJECT them and say they have NOTHING to do with any that.

And its FUCKED UP that we don't know the specifics of our heritage. Its truly and literally a crime against humanity but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist it just means we don't know. You all are playing semantics and word games in an effort to reject something that's rightfully yours.

you said:

Non-Stop just posted :

the HISTORY of those contributions came from people in specific countries in west africa that had skills in agriculture and blacksmithing, woodworking etc and those skills are the ones that built this country. Skills YOUR people had before they even got here and you refuse to acknowledge even that much. Musical rhythms, dances, a way of speaking...hell the sense of COOL you express is rooted in West Africa. All of that made its way thru to their descendants who today CONTEND that it came from nowhere. West Africa comes out of your pours and you dont even recognize it.

You said it yourself...your people came into existence in 1865. So you agree that slavery was BENEFICIAL for you because it taught you how to do things and whites gave you civilization and religion and language and culture right?? Cuz you didnt get it from the West Africans. CACs instilled those attributes in you...those people brought here from west Africa have no factor in any of that. Thats why Black Americans achievements in America outweighs ANYTHING in Africa...because its a competition (where'd that mentality come from?)



this debate is not new

There was a study conducted by the government by the WPA that documented the lives of the ex slaves at the end of their lives. What was recorded was interesting. It turns out that they would talk to white people completely differently than us. Paul Radin, an anthropologist that earned his stripes documenting the lives of Native Americans, said he couldn’t do what he did as a scientist in our community without the assistance of Andrew Polk Watson.

So when I say one of the posters you quoted earlier is a college professor. It’s to remind you that bruh is not unlearned. When I say the old man from the Chocolate City is the best poster on this forum, it’s because the man knows what he’s talking about.

I say that to say: maybe they don’t trust us to speak candidly. If you’re not careful, you can come across just like fucking white people and we know how we view condescending, know it all white people.

 

[4 Dimensional]

There was a study conducted by the government by the WPA that documented the lives of the ex slaves at the end of their lives. What was recorded was interesting. It turns out that they would talk to white people completely differently than us. Paul Radin, an anthropologist that earned his stripes documenting the lives of Native Americans, said he couldn’t do what he did as a scientist in our community without the assistance of Andrew Polk Watson.

So when I say one of the posters you quoted earlier is a college professor. It’s to remind you that bruh is not unlearned. When I say the old man from the Chocolate City is the best poster on this forum, it’s because the man knows what he’s talking about.

I say that to say: maybe they don’t trust us to speak candidly. If you’re not careful, you can come across just like fucking white people and we know how we view condescending, know it all white people.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

Two truths exist here. One of them is what you think you know. The other it was, I know.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

Two truths exist here. One of them is what you think you know. The other it was, I know.

You’re from North Carolina.

 

[4 Dimensional]

You’re from North Carolina.

I have no idea why I even engaged with you.

 

[fles]

How very white of you.

Camron is a terrible artist with no more than 6 good songs.

Camron isn’t the first person to think like this and won’t be the last.

How much you wanna bet he was one of the ones pickin on ESL students when he was in school- Calling em African Booty Scratchers etc, etc. We can't have it both ways. We stay complaining about white people discriminating, and then we got people like him turn around and discriminate against people who look just like us. What he said was a generalization, it was discriminatory. Maybe HE don't fuck with ALL the people from the 54 countries in Africa.

 

[KingTaharqa]

How much you wanna bet he was one of the ones pickin on ESL students when he was in school- Calling em African Booty Scratchers etc, etc. We can't have it both ways. We stay complaining about white people discriminating, and then we got people like him turn around and discriminate against people who look just like us. What he said was a generalization, it was discriminatory. Maybe HE don't fuck with ALL the people from the 54 countries in Africa.

"We"

 

[fles]

"We"

You right I should change that. Not all

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

You right I should change that. Not all

That poster is a black nationalist. Race and nationhood are both social constructs that was created to marginalize him but that’s what he’s known for on the forum. Popping up every presidential election season with his political views on immigration.

He won’t be here in December.

 

[xfactor]

Yeah we’re more than black. We’re American.

The fact that it is hard for posters in here to say that just shows how subservient a lot of people claiming to be so-called black are.

Born and raised in a country (USA) and claiming a whole continent they have nothing to do with

 

[xfactor]

How much you wanna bet he was one of the ones pickin on ESL students when he was in school- Calling em African Booty Scratchers etc, etc. We can't have it both ways. We stay complaining about white people discriminating, and then we got people like him turn around and discriminate against people who look just like us. What he said was a generalization, it was discriminatory. Maybe HE don't fuck with ALL the people from the 54 countries in Africa.

Elon Musk is more African than you will ever be. Do you look just like him? Do you refer to him as an African or African-American?

 

[KingTaharqa]

That poster is a black nationalist. Race and nationhood are both social constructs that was created to marginalize him but that’s what he’s known for on the forum. Popping up every presidential election season with his political views on immigration.

He won’t be here in December.

Been a registered poster of BGOL since 2001.

The fact that it is hard for posters in here to say that just shows how subservient a lot of people claiming to be so-called black are.

Born and raised in a country (USA) and claiming a whole continent they have nothing to do with

Most melenated immigrants know they aren't American and aren't rooted in this country like Americans are. They know when their relatives migrated to America and have no blood ties to the major events that shaped and built this country. Many melenated immigrants that live in the states DO NOT want to be American. I think a Jamaican-American poster in here even previously stated that. This is why they wave flags and delineate using countries they have no desire to live in. That alone makes them a different people and entity from Black Americans. It would be unfair for us to claim to be them same as them pretending to be us.

 

[geechiedan]

Yeah we’re more than black. We’re American.

no doubt...no one said you weren't. its NOT an either/or proposition. Acknowledge your (west) African as general as that is and American heritage does not have to be a conflict. as someone already said

Two truths exist here.

 

[geechiedan]

Been a registered poster of BGOL since 2001.



Most melenated immigrants know they aren't American and aren't rooted in this country like Americans are. They know when their relatives migrated to America and have no blood ties to the major events that shaped and built this country. Many melenated immigrants that live in the states DO NOT want to be American. I think a Jamaican-American poster in here even previously stated that. This is why they wave flags and delineate using countries they have no desire to live in. That alone makes them a different people and entity from Black Americans. It would be unfair for us to claim to be them same as them pretending to be us.

you'd be doing the same thing if you knew the specifics of your background.. and its NOT just "melanated" immigrants...ALL descendants of immigrants who VOLUNTARILY came here do that. How many cacs have you seen walk around with shamrocks and the colors of the italian flags on their clothes....mofos know about ireland and italy about as much as YOU do. And these are the ones who are most patriotic acting.

The ONLY reason you claim what you are is because YOU DONT KNOW the other half of that story...and the reason you dont know is because it was literally BEATEN OUT OF YOU before you were even born. Thats the other part of OUR AMERICAN HERITAGE that know one talks about

you think you CHOSE to only claim America.??? you didnt.

ya'll act like that person who had a plate of food dropped in front of them and told to eat that shit....and you said I CHOOSE to eat broccoli

no motherfucker thats the ONLY thing they gave you to eat!

 

[KingTaharqa]

you'd be doing the same thing if you knew the specifics of your background.. and its NOT just "melanated" immigrants...ALL descendants of immigrants who VOLUNTARILY came here do that. How many cacs have you seen walk around with shamrocks and the colors of the italian flags on their clothes....mofos know about ireland and italy about as much as YOU do. And these are the ones who are most patriotic acting.

The ONLY reason you claim what you are is because YOU DONT KNOW the other half of that story...and the reason you dont know is because it was literally BEATEN OUT OF YOU before you were even born. Thats the other part of OUR AMERICAN HERITAGE that know one talks about

you think you CHOSE to only claim America.??? you didnt.

ya'll act like that person who had a plate of food dropped in front of them and told to eat that shit....and you said I CHOOSE to eat broccoli

no motherfucker thats the ONLY thing they gave you to eat!

Euro immigrants do not wave flags to distance themselves from White America. They assimilate into it. Melenated immigrants wave flags to distinguish themselves from Black America and create seperate enclaves. The difference is melenated immigrants are lazy and haven't built institutions in the US just rode the backs of Black Americans. Hence the desperate need for us to be "one people".

As far as West Africa, it holds no value in the US. Being West African is worth as much as being East Indian in the states. Whoopty do!! Black American history and culture is more important worldwide. I'll concern myself with West Africa if I choose to visit, til then....

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

you'd be doing the same thing if you knew the specifics of your background.. and its NOT just "melanated" immigrants...ALL descendants of immigrants who VOLUNTARILY came here do that. How many cacs have you seen walk around with shamrocks and the colors of the italian flags on their clothes....mofos know about ireland and italy about as much as YOU do. And these are the ones who are most patriotic acting.

The ONLY reason you claim what you are is because YOU DONT KNOW the other half of that story...and the reason you dont know is because it was literally BEATEN OUT OF YOU before you were even born. Thats the other part of OUR AMERICAN HERITAGE that know one talks about

you think you CHOSE to only claim America.??? you didnt.

ya'll act like that person who had a plate of food dropped in front of them and told to eat that shit....and you said I CHOOSE to eat broccoli

no motherfucker thats the ONLY thing they gave you to eat!

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

Juelz half Dominican and suppsoly halve panamanian I give u that one. Freeky was the wackest one lol

 

[footloose]

no doubt...no one said you weren't. its NOT an either/or proposition. Acknowledge your (west) African as general as that is and American heritage does not have to be a conflict. as someone already said

Wait so what are you

 

[KingTaharqa]

Wait so what are you

He's a Caribbean Pan African that pays taxes to the US Government and has 0 desire to renounce his citizenship and go live in West Africa full time.

 

[geechiedan]

Elon Musk is more African than you will ever be. Do you look just like him? Do you refer to him as an African or African-American?

Neither numbnuts...

Tech billionaire Elon Musk recently took to social media to provide clarity on his South African heritage. Late on Tuesday, the CEO of SpaceX and Tesla tweeted about his ancestry, dispelling the commonly held belief of his Afrikaner heritage. What Happened: Musk asserted his roots are of British/English descent.


do you see what he did there?