Diddy Says Drake Is Top 5 All Time

Heavenlywings77

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Really for me it’s the impact, quality of music and they way the music truly resonated with people. Plus sales and popularity has a bit to do with it but it isn’t the end all be all.

I don’t think there’s one GOAT.


Ok well, I'm taking it that we're going by a majority thing, and not just our own personal beliefs. So with that being said

Drake has impacted enough people to rap about down to earth regular guy shit. examples include.

XXXTentacion
Kid Kyle
Uzi Vert
Lil Dicky
Jayden Smith

He has resonated with such a huge audience because not everyone identifies with hardcore gangsta rap. Most people want to dance, and others like hearing someone who sounds like they have the same problems with them. You can see the sales, you posted them. The popularity is undeniable as well. Who doesn't know or like some songs from Drake? Unless you go out of your way to dislike him.

 

Heavenlywings77

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Those are “Singles” sales for Drake, look at the album sales.


O ok I though we were looking at the total. Eminem had 3 albums released when people were still buying albums. Drake came far after albums being bought was a distant thing of the past. This would be equivalent to comparing vinyl records or tapes of Heavy D vs. Eminem's vinyl records or cassette tape sales. It's not a fair assessment as those forms of media are defunct or outdated
 

REDLINE

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Ok well, I'm taking it that we're going by a majority thing, and not just our own personal beliefs. So with that being said

Drake has impacted enough people to rap about down to earth regular guy shit. examples include.

XXXTentacion
Kid Kyle
Uzi Vert
Lil Dicky
Jayden Smith

He has resonated with such a huge audience because not everyone identifies with hardcore gangsta rap. Most people want to dance, and others like hearing someone who sounds like they have the same problems with them. You can see the sales, you posted them. The popularity is undeniable as well. Who doesn't know or like some songs from Drake? Unless you go out of your way to dislike him.



As I believe you stated, a group of people will list their criteria and start moving the bar when they don’t want an artist/Drake to fit! :lol:
 

REDLINE

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O ok I though we were looking at the total. Eminem had 3 albums released when people were still buying albums. Drake came far after albums being bought was a distant thing of the past. This would be equivalent to comparing vinyl records or tapes of Heavy D vs. Eminem's vinyl records or cassette tape sales. It's not a fair assessment as those forms of media are defunct or outdated

Trust me, I hear you! Just listing what was there to show the metrics.
 

dtownsfinest

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See the debate always mutates into something that wasn't a criteria.. In order for your point to make sense you have to retroactively change the criteria over and over and over.

Like I said

Me: what's your criteria

person: lyrics

me: Big Pun

person: but his name has to have a J and a Z in it

me: what's that have to do with the criteria YOU named?

person: It's just my criteria
Man my post was about how can you be a top 5 rapper with no classics. You the one who spinned this. Drake ain’t got no classics and you can’t be top with ghostwriters and no classic albums.
 

Heavenlywings77

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As I believe you stated, a group of people will list their criteria and start moving the bar when they don’t want an artist/Drake to fit! :lol:


I do think Drake is one of the greatest of all time. No goal posts have been moved. If there is someone who did any of that criteria better than him, tell me and I will have been enlightened.
 

Heavenlywings77

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Man my post was about how can you be a top 5 rapper with no classics. You the one who spinned this. Drake ain’t got no classics and you can’t be top with ghostwriters and no classic albums.


Drake doesn't have classicss???????????????? Are you out of your mind? Hot Line Bling, Successful, Best I ever had!?!?! Where have you been since 2009? So Far Gone not a classic album?!?!!? Whaaaat?!!?

If Take Care is not a classic to you then I don't know what is
 

Day_Carver

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Artists get paid when their song is played on the radio. So a stream is essentially radio play with songs being plaid over and over again.

The streaming service charges the listeners and the streaming service pays the artists when their songs are played.

So if people play your songs millions of times, they have to calculate that as something.

https://www.bmi.com/creators/royalty/us_radio_royalties
Right I agree and it should be calculated like radio play, not album sales or record sales. They dont calculate songs being played on the radio as sales. So why calculate streams as sales??? Makes no sense. If someone buys the song thru a digital medium then thats a sale; so again shit is fugazi and doesnt make any sense to me....
 

Day_Carver

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Drake doesn't have classicss???????????????? Are you out of your mind? Hot Line Bling, Successful, Best I ever had!?!?! Where have you been since 2009? So Far Gone not a classic album?!?!!? Whaaaat?!!?
Question since we comparing Drake to the greats; which one of Drakes resonate or compares to the greats albums? or how does So Far Gone compare to say Good Kid Madd City??
 

TimRock

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I do think Drake is one of the greatest of all time. No goal posts have been moved. If there is someone who did any of that criteria better than him, tell me and I will have been enlightened.
Is he one of the greatest lyricist of all time?
 

crazycac50

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Not a knock on drake but I despise how billboard keeps records now. They keep trying to compare streams with sales and its just absurd. Remember when an artist would sale 10-20 million cd's thats a lot more investment on a fans part then streaming some music in the background
 

Day_Carver

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Not a knock on drake but I despise how billboard keeps records now. They keep trying to compare streams with sales and its just absurd. Remember when an artist would sale 10-20 million cd's thats a lot more investment on a fans part then streaming some music in the background
:yes:
 

Entrepronegro

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Ok well, I'm taking it that we're going by a majority thing, and not just our own personal beliefs. So with that being said

Drake has impacted enough people to rap about down to earth regular guy shit. examples include.

XXXTentacion
Kid Kyle
Uzi Vert
Lil Dicky
Jayden Smith

He has resonated with such a huge audience because not everyone identifies with hardcore gangsta rap. Most people want to dance, and others like hearing someone who sounds like they have the same problems with them. You can see the sales, you posted them. The popularity is undeniable as well. Who doesn't know or like some songs from Drake? Unless you go out of your way to dislike him.


exactly
 

wwetv100

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Can't sleep on 500 weeks on the charts.... thats incredible..... and his sales numbers would make most mfkrs be quiet....

Yet and still there's a "but" there.... I can't exactly point put why...

Yeah, this is what I meant in my other post. USUALLY someone with Drake's number there would be widespread agreement, but there just isn't for his name popping up on lists. Take note that Drake has been dominating for a decade straight.

I think it does have to do with something or some "it" factor that has lacked with him resonating with certain people when it comes to this topic of GOAT. I honestly believe it has to do with Drake not having that "signature" thing that makes people say yeah he is known for this or that which made him compare to the greats.

For example, if we are talking hip hop/rap, when someone brings up Tupac you would hear people say things like revolutionary and black panther background for songs like "Me Against The World" or social commentary with "Brenda's Got A Baby". Even the people who don't see Pac as lyrical even admit his albums can stand the test against some of the goat albums.

You have someone like LL Cool J, people will say he helped to build the first rap label and made the way for making hip hop songs directed towards women and so on. Biggie as I said earlier for bringing hip hop back for New York. What is that thing that people connect Drake with? Forget about record sales for a moment because regardless of anything when it comes to music it is about how the music makes one feel and the majority getting that same feel or emotion.

That is why someone like Michael Jackson through the decades captured young and old. He admitted he wanted to get even the person in the deepest part of China humming or following his melody. The connection to an artist is stronger than what dry stats can say although the stats are important in comparing metrics.

It may have to do with him also being Canadian. By this I mean, in terms of Canadian history there is no doubt Drake can be considered the GOAT because no Canadian has done what he did. It's like it's not even really a debate and that includes the likes of Bieber. However, to crown him top 5 artist or top 5 rapper all time for USA is calling for all the ones before him to be replaced.

If Diddy announces his top 5 I wonder who are the four rappers that come ahead of Drake?


but he talks about the same shit over and over, just over a different beat. his music is catchy and safe. IMO, he is one of the most overrated rappers of all time, just because lyrically, he is not impressive. He can flow, fine. But his music is boring. And let's be honest, white people love him.


I think this is big part of the equation of that "but" when it comes to Drake with some people. He is safe and gets along with everybody, while other rappers in the past drew lines with fans. If you didn't like them you would at least respect them not trying to appease everyone to sell.

With that said, Drake has something about him that makes people feel empathy for him in normal circumstances would have hip hop fans turning on him. The examples are the Meek Mill situation for ghostwriting and the Pusha T blackface scenario. Maybe that is Drake's aura in that he seems like the guy next door who made it against the rap norms because he didn't have to play the traditional role(singer/rapper). However, we are in a different time as Rick Ross survived being revealed as a CO and mocked by 50 Cent. If that were the 90's Ross would have been finished.

Ok well, I'm taking it that we're going by a majority thing, and not just our own personal beliefs. So with that being said

Drake has impacted enough people to rap about down to earth regular guy shit. examples include.

XXXTentacion
Kid Kyle
Uzi Vert
Lil Dicky
Jayden Smith

He has resonated with such a huge audience because not everyone identifies with hardcore gangsta rap. Most people want to dance, and others like hearing someone who sounds like they have the same problems with them. You can see the sales, you posted them. The popularity is undeniable as well. Who doesn't know or like some songs from Drake? Unless you go out of your way to dislike him.



With the list of guys you mentioned, Uzi Vert and XXXTentacion's material is what made them known for. XXX was seen as the modern day Pac, well before Nipsey died. It was for the content. Drake moreso for being that big hitmaker.

Jayden Smith gets away with stuff being Will's son and is excused for being an eccentric kid who grew up in Hollywood. You see how you can picture what certain artists are? With Drake a lot of people don't have that picture of what his image represents and resonates.

This is not to say that he doesn't connect with people, but you don't see people connecting him hardwire to any cause or song that says "Boom this is why he is the goat".

Not a knock on drake but I despise how billboard keeps records now. They keep trying to compare streams with sales and its just absurd. Remember when an artist would sale 10-20 million cd's thats a lot more investment on a fans part then streaming some music in the background

Yeah wasn't Nicki responsible for this though and then she turned around complaining when numbers favored Travis Scott when he bundled tickets for stream numbers lol.
 

BDR

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Well after Drake hit puff wit the 4pm in Calabasas I can see why puff out drake in his top 5 :lol:


They whole demeanor just spells envy
They tryna tempt me
The higher I get, the less they accept me
Even had the OG's tryna press me
Ha-ha-ha-ha
No way out 'cause I'm already in it”

and



Yeah, look at me now, they look at me like the golden child
Can't nobody hold me down, especially not right now
Certain shit is just too wild to reconcile
Take that, take that no love in they heart so they fake that
DiCaprio level the way they play that, damn nigga, what is that”


 

furlough

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What is Drake's Illmatic, Chronic, Doggystyle or Blueprint? His classic album that you can tell someone to listen to that doesn't know his music.
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gtfohwtbs :lol:
 

dtownsfinest

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Drake doesn't have classicss???????????????? Are you out of your mind? Hot Line Bling, Successful, Best I ever had!?!?! Where have you been since 2009? So Far Gone not a classic album?!?!!? Whaaaat?!!?

If Take Care is not a classic to you then I don't know what is
Take Care and So Far Gone are pop albums. Them aint' classic hip hop albums.
 

dtownsfinest

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Ok well, I'm taking it that we're going by a majority thing, and not just our own personal beliefs. So with that being said

Drake has impacted enough people to rap about down to earth regular guy shit. examples include.

XXXTentacion
Kid Kyle
Uzi Vert
Lil Dicky
Jayden Smith

He has resonated with such a huge audience because not everyone identifies with hardcore gangsta rap. Most people want to dance, and others like hearing someone who sounds like they have the same problems with them. You can see the sales, you posted them. The popularity is undeniable as well. Who doesn't know or like some songs from Drake? Unless you go out of your way to dislike him.


So Drake responsable for them niggas up top rapping? That's who I can blame?
 

REDLINE

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Diddy and Drake can both suck the dicks they live and get the entire fuck up outta here!
That faggot will never be Top 10, let alone Top 5.
That Jew is below Ja Rule!​

Sounds like you’re mad that Drake wouldn’t sign this for you?

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REDLINE

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Sounds like you need to suck a dick.
That sensitive girl would never make any real Top 5 list.​

I’ll leave the dick sucking to you, since that was your first response that sounds like it’s in your mind and a passion. Maybe even your national pastime or your go to move when happy or angry.

And I never said he was too 5.
 

dtownsfinest

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As far as impact, hitmaking, popularity, sales, consistency and longevity?


1. Pac
2. Jay-Z
3. Eminem
4. 50cent
5. Nas
6. Lil Wayne


:dunno:
Fif run was too short to be up there with them other ones. Fif really when you think about it had a 2 album run on top.
 

Heavenlywings77

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With the list of guys you mentioned, Uzi Vert and XXXTentacion's material is what made them known for. XXX was seen as the modern day Pac, well before Nipsey died. It was for the content. Drake moreso for being that big hitmaker.

Jayden Smith gets away with stuff being Will's son and is excused for being an eccentric kid who grew up in Hollywood. You see how you can picture what certain artists are? With Drake a lot of people don't have that picture of what his image represents and resonates.

This is not to say that he doesn't connect with people, but you don't see people connecting him hardwire to any cause or song that says "Boom this is why he is the goat".



Yeah wasn't Nicki responsible for this though and then she turned around complaining when numbers favored Travis Scott when he bundled tickets for stream numbers lol.



Alot of people do consider him the goat already, the number and influences don't lie.

All Im hearing is, well if it's Drake then number don't count.. And if they do count then it's more about impact. And if he does have that much influence then, he has to be a lyricist, and if he has good lyrical content, he has to have written it all, and if the other rapers on said list have had writers, then his content is too soft, and if his unique content is consumed by the majority of people, then it's just not hip hop and doesn't count


:confused:
 

Day_Carver

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I was talking to someone else about their criteria, what is yours??
Drake is great with hits and this era of fake sales. Drake is popular like McDonald's. They might sell the most burgers doesn't mean their burgers are the best nor in top 10 of burgers joints. Hes not even the best of his era. So there's no way he can be in top 5......
 
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