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Diddy Says Drake Is Top 5 All Time
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Tell me what classic album had ghost writers on it then? You aren't naming any albums.
If we're talking strictly record sales, which is objective and can be measured...he's not wrong.
A top-5 list otherwise becomes subjective and a whole bunch of other factors come into play.
A top-5 list otherwise becomes subjective and a whole bunch of other factors come into play.
I mean if we talking numbers he not off...
love em or hate em Drake catalog of music is insane. I’m not the biggest drake fan but I can see him being up their with the greats when it’s all said and done. Yes he is even up there with Big and Pac just in his own quirky lane. He has the ability to be lyrical, he has insane star power, and he believed by mainstream. Who else doing it like drake who out right now.
Again I’m not the biggest drake fan it is what it is he’ll look at “tootsie slide” shit just went number 1 and the song so luke warm.
love em or hate em Drake catalog of music is insane. I’m not the biggest drake fan but I can see him being up their with the greats when it’s all said and done. Yes he is even up there with Big and Pac just in his own quirky lane. He has the ability to be lyrical, he has insane star power, and he believed by mainstream. Who else doing it like drake who out right now.
Again I’m not the biggest drake fan it is what it is he’ll look at “tootsie slide” shit just went number 1 and the song so luke warm.
Exactly what I’m saying. I’ll say he some where in the top 20 if not top 10 depending on what we talking about
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You didn't ask
Thriller
Puffy -No Way Out
Lil Kim -Hardcore
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Kanye West -College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation
Which way are physical sales trending? Are physical media making a comeback?You sound completely ignorant. Stop saying stupid shit. Stop bringing up totally different things. I repeat streaming is not selling period. Artist aren't even getting paid the same for streams. All streaming is is a form of radio play. It should be counted like that. Lil uzi "sold" 286k 1st week sales; but actual sales of his songs was like 1k
. Nigga sold 286 without selling anything
Physical sales are the metric you are using to to designate "classic" status. YOU said that.
By your stated metric, no albums are ever likely to attain physical sales numbers like in the old days.
This ain't the fucking old days hoss.
I dont think the album was as bad as Joe made it out to be...but as Mal said, i was underwhelmed and I said in the other thread, that i expected more, especially Jay being on the tracks...
Diddy is an idiot.
Thriller’s thrown out because it’s R&B.
Puff, Kim and Dre aren’t MC’s and we all know they didn’t write their rhymes.
But you’re right about Kanye.
With that said, you did make a point.
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Uhhh.....first off how does The Chronic have ghostwriters when the songs credits who wrote them lol?
But you notice how everyone you listed is a producer outside of LIl' Kim? Like I said how you a top 5 rapper without a classic album........you ain't one. And them albums by Kanye you listed ain't classics.
If Drake was listed as a producer I'd give him a pass. But he ain't. Kanye don't get no pass for his shit but at the same time I don't recall anyone ever calling him a top 5 rapper. I don't know why he listed Thriller.
Who ghostwrote Thriller? I thought it was a known fact who wrote that album.
If Drake was listed as a producer I'd give him a pass. But he ain't. Kanye don't get no pass for his shit but at the same time I don't recall anyone ever calling him a top 5 rapper. I don't know why he listed Thriller.
Hey man, I was giving him a pass because he did the research to find classic albums that did have writers. So he was correct in that sense, but not really!
But he worked hard on finding those needles in the haystack, so I had to give him his credit!
Shit, it was Rakim too, just a few weeks ago!
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“Gotta start from the beginning cause without them I would not be who I am. That’s Melle Mel, Kool Moe Dee, Grandmaster Caz.. That’s old school. And then you got Eminem, one of my favorite MCs, Jay Z another my favorite and few more cats. And one of the most underrated MCs is Black Thought.”
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People like @Complex who assert that all black people are alike usually have pretty small circles, or at least aren't around diverse groups of black people. You almost have to in order to think that way. Or really overestimate the extent to which you know them. If you know the top 5 rappers for every black person you know, that says a lot about your interactions.
I'm just answering your question directly, you asked for classic albums that have ghost writers
Hey man, I was giving him a pass because he did the research to find classic albums that did have writers. So he was correct in that sense, but not really!
But he worked hard on finding those needles in the haystack, so I had to give him his credit!
You don't pay attention to music behind the scenes much do you ?
Shit, it was Rakim too, just a few weeks ago!
In the new episode of Crook’s Corner, Legendary Rakim set down with KXNG Crooked to talk about Hip-Hop, including his top rappers off all time. Rakim says:“Gotta start from the beginning cause without them I would not be who I am. That’s Melle Mel, Kool Moe Dee, Grandmaster Caz.. That’s old school. And then you got Eminem, one of my favorite MCs, Jay Z another my favorite and few more cats. And one of the most underrated MCs is Black Thought.”Rakim names Eminem inside Top 5 rappers of all time
In the new episode of Crook’s Corner, Legendary Rakim set down with KXNG Crooked to talk about Hip-Hop, including his top rappers off all time. Rakim says: “Gotta start from the beginn…
People like @Complex who assert that all black people are alike usually have pretty small circles, or at least aren't around diverse groups of black people. You almost have to in order to think that way. Or really overestimate the extent to which you know them. If you know the top 5 rappers for every black person you know, that says a lot about your interactions.
You're a woman, I wasn't speaking for you ma'am
If Drake was listed as a producer I'd give him a pass. But he ain't. Kanye don't get no pass for his shit but at the same time I don't recall anyone ever calling him a top 5 rapper. I don't know why he listed Thriller.
See the debate always mutates into something that wasn't a criteria.. In order for your point to make sense you have to retroactively change the criteria over and over and over.
Like I said
Me: what's your criteria
person: lyrics
me: Big Pun
person: but his name has to have a J and a Z in it
me: what's that have to do with the criteria YOU named?
person: It's just my criteria
I gave you credit for your research, I gave you that respect.
Now...
You quoted Michael Jackson not writing his lyrics, you should be lucky you’re allowed back in this thread after using that as your proof. I was being nice before, now so much because that was very foolish evidence.
Most R&B singers don’t write their own songs. And it’s widely known that Quincy Jones is the brainchild behind Thriller.
You quoted Dre Dre’s “The Chronic”. Everyone knows Cube wrote Dre’s and Eazy’s rhymes in NWA. And Snoop and others wrote Dre’s for the Chronic etc.
You listed Lil Kim’s first album. There’s well known reference tracks from Kim’s album as well as Cam’ron writing “Crush on You”.
You named Puff’s album as proof, the only response you deserve is
And I gave you credit for Kanye with Rhymfest helping him wre “Jesus Walks” along with who knows what else?
So to answer your question, yes I do pay attention to what goes on behind the scenes.
Now a question for you, can you name in actual lyricists album who had ghostwriters? And please, give a response that at least one person on Earth can respect.
but he talks about the same shit over and over, just over a different beat. his music is catchy and safe. IMO, he is one of the most overrated rappers of all time, just because lyrically, he is not impressive. He can flow, fine. But his music is boring. And let's be honest, white people love him.
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I dont even know how anyone can compare hits in this era with previous eras. Mofos are going gold and platinum without even selling records but because of streamingso comparing all these hits, milestones, numbers shit etc etc to previous eras seems a little fugazi to me.....
those are all of my post in this thread; i have no idea what you are talking about; i never said anything about classics and/or good bad music; never said anything as it relates to top 5 or any of that bullshit; Again I dont know how anyone can compare actual sales to non sales; shit is fugazi and it makes no sense; streaming is not selling; nor do the artist get paid like it is; streaming is a form of radio play, thats it....so I dont have any idea what you are talking aboutYou sound completely ignorant. Stop saying stupid shit. Stop bringing up totally different things. I repeat streaming is not selling period. Artist aren't even getting paid the same for streams. All streaming is is a form of radio play. It should be counted like that. Lil uzi "sold" 286k 1st week sales; but actual sales of his songs was like 1k
I dont think you can be top 5 with ghostwriters
I gave you credit for your research, I gave you that respect.
Now...
You quoted Michael Jackson not writing his lyrics, you should be lucky you’re allowed back in this thread after using that as your proof. I was being nice before, now so much because that was very foolish evidence.
Most R&B singers don’t write their own songs. And it’s widely known that Quincy Jones is the brainchild behind Thriller.
You quoted Dre Dre’s “The Chronic”. Everyone knows Cube wrote Dre’s and Eazy’s rhymes in NWA. And Snoop and others wrote Dre’s for the Chronic etc.
You listed Lil Kim’s first album. There’s well known reference tracks from Kim’s album as well as Cam’ron writing “Crush on You”.
You named Puff’s album as proof, the only response you deserve is
And I gave you credit for Kanye with Rhymfest helping him wre “Jesus Walks” along with who knows what else?
So to answer your question, yes I do pay attention to what goes on behind the scenes.
Now a question for you, can you name in actual lyricists album who had ghostwriters? And please, give a response that at least one person on Earth can respect.
See and the criteria changes agaiiiin. That's the point I was trying to make. People will not stick to their own criteria if it means giving up their biases. That's what makes the anti Drake crowd nothing more than comedians. The logic behind these statements disappear when you make it anything other than a joke guys lol
Like I started earlier, it’s mixture of things and not a specific criteria. I know, it’s hard to truly put it into words but that’s the way it is.
Sales matter, but it’s not the biggest measuring stick.
Because if the majority of it was album sales, success and popularity. You’d have to put these guys up there.
Two of a select few rappers to go diamond, selling 10 million copies of one album in the US.
What he has done is very impressive and I give him his props! But realistically speaking, he has a number one hit for his song “Tootsie Slide”. Is that really Top 5 material?
And I like Drake, no hate over here. But he does have a lot of haters, but people hate success. We’re in a time period where the sales of singles matter more than the sale of albums.
https://thesource.com/2018/12/07/dr...e-selling-solo-artist-in-america-of-all-time/
Artists get paid when their song is played on the radio. So a stream is essentially radio play with songs being plaid over and over again.
The streaming service charges the listeners and the streaming service pays the artists when their songs are played.
So if people play your songs millions of times, they have to calculate that as something.
https://www.bmi.com/creators/royalty/us_radio_royalties
Like I started earlier, it’s mixture of things and not a specific criteria. I know, it’s hard to truly put it into words but that’s the way it is.
Sales matter, but it’s not the biggest measuring stick.
Because if the majority of it was album sales, success and popularity. You’d have to put these guys up there.
Two of a select few rappers to go diamond, selling 10 million copies of one album in the US.
What he has done is very impressive and I give him his props! But realistically speaking, he has a number one hit for his song “Tootsie Slide”. Is that really Top 5 material?
And I like Drake, no hate over here. But he does have a lot of haters, but people hate success. We’re in a time period where the sales of singles matter more than the sale of albums.
https://thesource.com/2018/12/07/dr...e-selling-solo-artist-in-america-of-all-time/
btw, I apologize I noticed I wasn't just replying to you. But to someone else as well. I guess I got too lazy to divide my answers and address people individually. I have some free time now though. I haven't read the entire thread, so I will look for your criteria, it will take me a few to find and respond to your criteria. However everytime I do this, as I've stated, people just change their criteria to fit a predetermined G.O.A.T.
It's 6 pages, I would ask you to restate your criteria, as it seems the list you provided shows Drake as the GOAT rapper
Really for me it’s the impact, quality of music and they way the music truly resonated with people. Plus sales and popularity has a bit to do with it but it isn’t the end all be all.
I don’t think there’s one GOAT.
Those are “Singles” sales for Drake, look at the album sales.