Discussion: Falcon and The Winter Soldier UPDATE: Captain America 4 Brave New World NEW TRAILER!!!
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LOL... Marvel did this quick
that damn mouse.
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so what DC/WB got following Justice League>
Suicide Squad?
feel like instead of going the Marvel route hitting back to back like Drake in the summer?
They letting this #metoo on Joss be their "promotion"?
Am I wrong?
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Can I be a mod? Please? I want to ban some of y'all for wasting panels with that zemo dance
Episode 4
Karli destroyed the shield.Episode 4
The Wakandans let him have his shield only for him to give it away.
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episode 4 was crazy
; only 2 episodes left though
Marvel Studios can do no wrong never!!
; only 2 episodes left thoughMarvel Studios can do no wrong never!!
I think they are being a little more sophisticated with the writing. I love it.
Not dark at all.
One of best moments is in Episode 3 when Zemo, Winter Soldier, and Falcon are walking into the club and Falcon felt like he was dressed like a pimp.
Zemo mentioned how small minded he was not realizing that it was a fashion forward African look.
To me, it's just showing a certain level of worldly sophistication in the writing.
I think this series is just brilliantly written with it's execution of action and story as well.
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JL still has momentum. The Suicide Squad is in 3 months. On the animation side, The Justice Society movie is in two weeks, and Batman: The Killing Joke Part 1 will be released in June.
This is all in addition to all of the other WB releases taking place such as Mortal Combat in a couple of weeks and Space Jam in July.
WB has it figured out regarding its streaming services. They are outpacing every other streaming service.
Quietly, I'm looking forward to the basketball show Disney is putting out next week.
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Marvel is gonna have something just about every week. DC will never catch up. Plus you know they will stumble...Suicide Squad looks stupid. They banking on John fricken Cena, giving him a whole series before anyone even saw SS...that sounds like failure to me.
WOW!
That final scene reminded me of a DMX line: Took something ...a coupla forties made me hate something!
Did anyone notice Battlestar's eye change once he freed himself?
Sounds like the same rhetoric when Joker was being released. James Gunn has said The Suicide Squad is his best movie.
Yes, Marvel has a number of releases coming up. I'm looking forward to the rest of Falcon and Winter Soldier as well as Loki. Shang Chi will be interesting.
The last Spiderman was OK, so I'm not too excited about that. I'm much more interested in the next Miles Morales movie. Black Widow will be decent, but forgettable. The Eternals? The forced gay ish makes me skeptical, but Marvel has a positive track record. Nonetheless, no one is above a misstep. Marvel has misstepped before.
As far as DC, 2022 will be the year the pendulum swings.
We will revisit this post next year. My movie predictions are generally on point.
In Marvel's Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the new captain, John Walker had 3 medals of honor. What does this tell us about this character?
He’s suicidal.
I often ask people to tell me the one thing that more Medal of Honor winners have in common than anything else.
They’ll say things like, “They killed a lot of enemy,” which is not necessarily true, or “They’re men,” which is true, but not always the case. What most people don’t arrive at is the real thing that links the majority of Medal of Honor winners.
They died earning their medal.
The Medal of Honor is given when someone undertakes some action in the service of their fellow Americans in arms, in the presence of the enemy, at great personal risk. It has to be something major, like jumping on a grenade. “Jumping on a grenade” is shorthand for some act that the servicemember undertakes which they know will kill them to save other members of their teams. Read the Medal of Honor citations for some of those who were recipients of the medal and you’ll understand what I mean.
View All Medal of Honor Recipients | Congressional Medal of Honor Society
https://www.cmohs.org/recipients
One now infamous case from the Iraq War featured a Marine who jumped on a grenade, an act that would have saved his entire platoon… but the grenade didn’t go off. Congress downgraded the citation saying very clearly that because the grenade didn’t go off, his heroism didn’t really matter. The “death requirement” as it has been called for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans has been a source of outrage in the veteran community, highlighting, “a dysfunctional system that inconsistently awards medals for valor.”
You aren’t required to die to earn it, but there are few Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who earned the medal that came away from the experience clean. For perspective, here is Medal of Honor recipient, Marine Corporal Kyle Carpenter as he appeared on David Letterman.
Carpenter, as a matter of fact, did jump on a grenade that did go off, but was only almost fatal.
Stepping back to John Walker a bit.
In the history of the US Military, there have only been 19 men to have earned two Medals of Honor. Most of them were during a time where it was earned through sheer gallantry, in wars where bodies stacked high, such as the American Civil War. Many people did brave things, but few lived to have people talk about it. In the Marine Corps, of the two men who have (both from World War II or prior), half of those died in later campaigns.
There is also a huge amount of luck involved, perhaps bad luck, but luck none-the-less. You must be in some extreme situations even by military standards to have “the opportunity” to earn a Medal of Honor. Many things must go wrong, and you must make the right choices, choices that should reasonably get you killed.
So, to be absolutely clear, it is very, very strange for someone to get three, and particularly strange for him to be so handsome after he did it. Not nearly as strange as the Sergeant Major who looks like he’s 25 with an unsat haircut sitting right next to him, but I’ll let that slide, for today.
He would have earned them. The vetting process is very, very picky, with many investigations and a lot of effort put in to ensure that the value of the medal never loses its meaning. It’s called the “Congressional Medal of Honor” because it literally requires an investigation by Congress to award one. So if they say he somehow conned his way into, that will just be annoying plot from crap writers, but let’s assume they don’t. For him to have earned three, which no one is American history ever has, mind you, he would have to be someone who regularly seeks out situations in which he will likely face extreme risks, and place himself in the positions where he assumes he will die, all the time while saving others.
It’s great for Captain America. Yeah, Steve Rogers sort of does that, a lot. But it’s also kind of suicidal.
It’s strange that normal combat soldiers should even have that opportunity. It suggests, at least to me, that he was someone who has absolutely not regard for the value of his own life. Courage is knowing what you’re about to do might hurt, and doing it anyway. Stupidity is the same. That’s why life is hard.
I really wish the writers hadn’t gone in this direction, or at least, hadn’t included this fact about John Walker. I haven’t seen the show. I’m just judging off of the fact of three Medal of Honors and imagining the most cliched thing they could with it. Anyone can tell that the shield is going to leave him. What I could hope for is that the writers will pay respect to the backstory they’ve already written, and kill him off in a way that is actually in keeping with their already established canon, that he very bravely ran into extreme situations that ultimately claimed his life. I’m sure they won’t. I’m sure, instead, they’re going to show him as somehow morally unworthy of the shield, passing it off to its rightful owner, whoever that should be. I wish they wouldn’t do that, because in doing so, even in a ludicrous fictional universe such as it is, it’s still disrespectful of the people who actually do pretty amazing things to earn Medal of Honors. Frankly, we’d be a better people if we knew more about them than about characters like Falcon and the Winter Soldier to begin with, but I’ll try not to preach. I just hope, the writers respect that and the fan base will accept someone who might not be a good fit for the shield as a matter of Marvel lore, but is an honorable person worthy of respect by all fair standards.
Yeah, probably not going to happen.
He’s suicidal.
I often ask people to tell me the one thing that more Medal of Honor winners have in common than anything else.
They’ll say things like, “They killed a lot of enemy,” which is not necessarily true, or “They’re men,” which is true, but not always the case. What most people don’t arrive at is the real thing that links the majority of Medal of Honor winners.
They died earning their medal.
The Medal of Honor is given when someone undertakes some action in the service of their fellow Americans in arms, in the presence of the enemy, at great personal risk. It has to be something major, like jumping on a grenade. “Jumping on a grenade” is shorthand for some act that the servicemember undertakes which they know will kill them to save other members of their teams. Read the Medal of Honor citations for some of those who were recipients of the medal and you’ll understand what I mean.
View All Medal of Honor Recipients | Congressional Medal of Honor Society
https://www.cmohs.org/recipients
One now infamous case from the Iraq War featured a Marine who jumped on a grenade, an act that would have saved his entire platoon… but the grenade didn’t go off. Congress downgraded the citation saying very clearly that because the grenade didn’t go off, his heroism didn’t really matter. The “death requirement” as it has been called for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans has been a source of outrage in the veteran community, highlighting, “a dysfunctional system that inconsistently awards medals for valor.”
You aren’t required to die to earn it, but there are few Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who earned the medal that came away from the experience clean. For perspective, here is Medal of Honor recipient, Marine Corporal Kyle Carpenter as he appeared on David Letterman.
Carpenter, as a matter of fact, did jump on a grenade that did go off, but was only almost fatal.
Stepping back to John Walker a bit.
In the history of the US Military, there have only been 19 men to have earned two Medals of Honor. Most of them were during a time where it was earned through sheer gallantry, in wars where bodies stacked high, such as the American Civil War. Many people did brave things, but few lived to have people talk about it. In the Marine Corps, of the two men who have (both from World War II or prior), half of those died in later campaigns.
There is also a huge amount of luck involved, perhaps bad luck, but luck none-the-less. You must be in some extreme situations even by military standards to have “the opportunity” to earn a Medal of Honor. Many things must go wrong, and you must make the right choices, choices that should reasonably get you killed.
So, to be absolutely clear, it is very, very strange for someone to get three, and particularly strange for him to be so handsome after he did it. Not nearly as strange as the Sergeant Major who looks like he’s 25 with an unsat haircut sitting right next to him, but I’ll let that slide, for today.
He would have earned them. The vetting process is very, very picky, with many investigations and a lot of effort put in to ensure that the value of the medal never loses its meaning. It’s called the “Congressional Medal of Honor” because it literally requires an investigation by Congress to award one. So if they say he somehow conned his way into, that will just be annoying plot from crap writers, but let’s assume they don’t. For him to have earned three, which no one is American history ever has, mind you, he would have to be someone who regularly seeks out situations in which he will likely face extreme risks, and place himself in the positions where he assumes he will die, all the time while saving others.
It’s great for Captain America. Yeah, Steve Rogers sort of does that, a lot. But it’s also kind of suicidal.
It’s strange that normal combat soldiers should even have that opportunity. It suggests, at least to me, that he was someone who has absolutely not regard for the value of his own life. Courage is knowing what you’re about to do might hurt, and doing it anyway. Stupidity is the same. That’s why life is hard.
I really wish the writers hadn’t gone in this direction, or at least, hadn’t included this fact about John Walker. I haven’t seen the show. I’m just judging off of the fact of three Medal of Honors and imagining the most cliched thing they could with it. Anyone can tell that the shield is going to leave him. What I could hope for is that the writers will pay respect to the backstory they’ve already written, and kill him off in a way that is actually in keeping with their already established canon, that he very bravely ran into extreme situations that ultimately claimed his life. I’m sure they won’t. I’m sure, instead, they’re going to show him as somehow morally unworthy of the shield, passing it off to its rightful owner, whoever that should be. I wish they wouldn’t do that, because in doing so, even in a ludicrous fictional universe such as it is, it’s still disrespectful of the people who actually do pretty amazing things to earn Medal of Honors. Frankly, we’d be a better people if we knew more about them than about characters like Falcon and the Winter Soldier to begin with, but I’ll try not to preach. I just hope, the writers respect that and the fan base will accept someone who might not be a good fit for the shield as a matter of Marvel lore, but is an honorable person worthy of respect by all fair standards.
Yeah, probably not going to happen.
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I'm thoroughly enjoying this show.
In Marvel's Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the new captain, John Walker had 3 medals of honor. What does this tell us about this character?
He’s suicidal.
I often ask people to tell me the one thing that more Medal of Honor winners have in common than anything else.
They’ll say things like, “They killed a lot of enemy,” which is not necessarily true, or “They’re men,” which is true, but not always the case. What most people don’t arrive at is the real thing that links the majority of Medal of Honor winners.
They died earning their medal.
The Medal of Honor is given when someone undertakes some action in the service of their fellow Americans in arms, in the presence of the enemy, at great personal risk. It has to be something major, like jumping on a grenade. “Jumping on a grenade” is shorthand for some act that the servicemember undertakes which they know will kill them to save other members of their teams. Read the Medal of Honor citations for some of those who were recipients of the medal and you’ll understand what I mean.
View All Medal of Honor Recipients | Congressional Medal of Honor Society
https://www.cmohs.org/recipients
One now infamous case from the Iraq War featured a Marine who jumped on a grenade, an act that would have saved his entire platoon… but the grenade didn’t go off. Congress downgraded the citation saying very clearly that because the grenade didn’t go off, his heroism didn’t really matter. The “death requirement” as it has been called for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans has been a source of outrage in the veteran community, highlighting, “a dysfunctional system that inconsistently awards medals for valor.”
You aren’t required to die to earn it, but there are few Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who earned the medal that came away from the experience clean. For perspective, here is Medal of Honor recipient, Marine Corporal Kyle Carpenter as he appeared on David Letterman.
Carpenter, as a matter of fact, did jump on a grenade that did go off, but was only almost fatal.
Stepping back to John Walker a bit.
In the history of the US Military, there have only been 19 men to have earned two Medals of Honor. Most of them were during a time where it was earned through sheer gallantry, in wars where bodies stacked high, such as the American Civil War. Many people did brave things, but few lived to have people talk about it. In the Marine Corps, of the two men who have (both from World War II or prior), half of those died in later campaigns.
There is also a huge amount of luck involved, perhaps bad luck, but luck none-the-less. You must be in some extreme situations even by military standards to have “the opportunity” to earn a Medal of Honor. Many things must go wrong, and you must make the right choices, choices that should reasonably get you killed.
So, to be absolutely clear, it is very, very strange for someone to get three, and particularly strange for him to be so handsome after he did it. Not nearly as strange as the Sergeant Major who looks like he’s 25 with an unsat haircut sitting right next to him, but I’ll let that slide, for today.
He would have earned them. The vetting process is very, very picky, with many investigations and a lot of effort put in to ensure that the value of the medal never loses its meaning. It’s called the “Congressional Medal of Honor” because it literally requires an investigation by Congress to award one. So if they say he somehow conned his way into, that will just be annoying plot from crap writers, but let’s assume they don’t. For him to have earned three, which no one is American history ever has, mind you, he would have to be someone who regularly seeks out situations in which he will likely face extreme risks, and place himself in the positions where he assumes he will die, all the time while saving others.
It’s great for Captain America. Yeah, Steve Rogers sort of does that, a lot. But it’s also kind of suicidal.
It’s strange that normal combat soldiers should even have that opportunity. It suggests, at least to me, that he was someone who has absolutely not regard for the value of his own life. Courage is knowing what you’re about to do might hurt, and doing it anyway. Stupidity is the same. That’s why life is hard.
I really wish the writers hadn’t gone in this direction, or at least, hadn’t included this fact about John Walker. I haven’t seen the show. I’m just judging off of the fact of three Medal of Honors and imagining the most cliched thing they could with it. Anyone can tell that the shield is going to leave him. What I could hope for is that the writers will pay respect to the backstory they’ve already written, and kill him off in a way that is actually in keeping with their already established canon, that he very bravely ran into extreme situations that ultimately claimed his life. I’m sure they won’t. I’m sure, instead, they’re going to show him as somehow morally unworthy of the shield, passing it off to its rightful owner, whoever that should be. I wish they wouldn’t do that, because in doing so, even in a ludicrous fictional universe such as it is, it’s still disrespectful of the people who actually do pretty amazing things to earn Medal of Honors. Frankly, we’d be a better people if we knew more about them than about characters like Falcon and the Winter Soldier to begin with, but I’ll try not to preach. I just hope, the writers respect that and the fan base will accept someone who might not be a good fit for the shield as a matter of Marvel lore, but is an honorable person worthy of respect by all fair standards.
Yeah, probably not going to happen.
not to be an ass, but there is no one with 3 in Real life. And I think only one of two people actually have two.
there is only so much valor to go around. If you are running to the sound of the gun enough to be in the running for a second MOH, you are getting your own men killed needlessly.
I say this as a retiring SF Senior NCO with quite a bit of time in the pointy end. For the record, the highest award I have is a BSMV. I know about 5 people with the DSC and 2 with the medal. All those guys have issues. The number of guys with the Silver Star is around 100. That gives you some scope of what it takes in a military of million to know that few people with awards above Bronze Stars so you know what it really takes to get the medal.
Walker would be a fucking fruit basket if he exposed himself that often.
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She has them covered the fuck up how how how did you see some titties? Now you're going to make me re-watch the episode just so I can see her fucking titties, damn you motherfucker